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@Lucius4992
@Lucius4992 17 күн бұрын
First time I see this. Pretty cool.
@Dilophi
@Dilophi 17 күн бұрын
Why is there an inner globe?
@Mirroxaphene
@Mirroxaphene 17 күн бұрын
@@Dilophi helps keep the oxygen off the carbon rods to extend the runtime.
@Dilophi
@Dilophi 17 күн бұрын
@@Mirroxaphene Thanks for the answer, now it makes sense. It probably saturates itself with CO2 until there is not much free oxygen left which acts like a an early form of inert gas filling, i guess.
@Mirroxaphene
@Mirroxaphene 17 күн бұрын
@@Dilophi that’s exactly what it does.
@adamsaintgermain4149
@adamsaintgermain4149 29 күн бұрын
I have the same one it worked the bulbs finally went out it’s like a 1938
@Mirroxaphene
@Mirroxaphene 29 күн бұрын
@@adamsaintgermain4149 do you have any pictures? Where did it come from?
@craigrryan86
@craigrryan86 Ай бұрын
Really enjoy the videos. Any idea how many foot candles this lamp was putting out at the base of the pole?
@Mirroxaphene
@Mirroxaphene Ай бұрын
@@craigrryan86 not much. They aren’t very bright. Probably equal to a 100-175W mercury lamp.
@davidclarke10
@davidclarke10 Ай бұрын
is that blue color daylight?
@davidclarke10
@davidclarke10 Ай бұрын
are cooper hewitt mercury lamp consider fluorescent?
@TheToastPeople
@TheToastPeople Ай бұрын
Thats a very interesting lamp! a piece of history, im glad its in the safe hands of a collector now!
@joelbranscum6001
@joelbranscum6001 Ай бұрын
I've seen alot of these on KZbin what is the runtime of the carbon
@shmehfleh3115
@shmehfleh3115 Ай бұрын
I had no idea the world of old light collecting was so cutthroat.
@heartland96a
@heartland96a Ай бұрын
Any one know what the running or operating time would be on a set of rods , would they have used them sparingly so to get a number of uses or would they be turned on and the rods used up in one use
@Mirroxaphene
@Mirroxaphene Ай бұрын
@@heartland96a 150-175 hours for one trim. Most lighting companies had dusk until 12A service for arc lamps
@heartland96a
@heartland96a Ай бұрын
@@Mirroxaphene interesting details
@TigerBoyRS
@TigerBoyRS Ай бұрын
Brilliant, obscure fluorescent tech from uncle Sam! Thank you for sharing all this lighting marvels. Please keep up the good work. Cheers from 🇵🇹 🇪🇺
@sonicdash3818
@sonicdash3818 Ай бұрын
Beautiful video! It is interesting how the ballasts for Cooper Hewitt and the Type RF lamps are so similar. The bulbs, too. Although the ballasts are more similar than the bulbs
@MrDmjay
@MrDmjay 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for showing us. Very interesting.
@sonicdash3818
@sonicdash3818 2 ай бұрын
I've actually been looking for one of those rf fittings, funny enough. I'm a fluorescent light collector, also to add the two lamp rf fixtures these days are even harder to find than the single lamp variant from what I have noticed. As for the hostility from the other collector, that's fucked up. But yeah, you and nicksfans are the only two collectors I know of that have these fixtures, and both of you seem wonderful. Closest thing I have to those fittings are the fluorescent lighting manuals that Charles amick wrote, both of which do have the electrical schematic for both rf lamp fittings. Also thank you for showing us the inside as well, from one collector to another. I love this kind of stuff! You also got me excited seeing the black ender there, I didn't even know those were made. But of course seeing it be westinghouse I anticipate it, what's more those electrodes look very well built. I love seeing quality made lamps
@clairmorrill8660
@clairmorrill8660 2 ай бұрын
In the day they probably had a way to step down 3-phase AC power while multiplying the frequency to get 188 herz
@clairmorrill8660
@clairmorrill8660 2 ай бұрын
In the early 1900's they used these arc lamps to light up the Tabernacle on Temple square in SLC, Utah, I saw a picture of one in one of our church manual's
@captlarry-3525
@captlarry-3525 2 ай бұрын
need a real camera not a phone.
@captlarry-3525
@captlarry-3525 2 ай бұрын
Thank You. I've been involved with electricity, radio, and electronics for 70 years and I didn't know anything about these lamps. I thought they were only a creature of edison's DC dementia. Of course I have always been interested in big search lights.. but these AC streetlights are new territory.
@Funkybulb
@Funkybulb 2 ай бұрын
Imagine this on Austin moon tower
@arneminderman3770
@arneminderman3770 2 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks.
@douglasdc6516
@douglasdc6516 2 ай бұрын
So glad You’re back ! Thank You so much for posting, Keep the videos coming!
@bnkwupt
@bnkwupt 2 ай бұрын
That’s a super neat find. I didn’t even know those existed and I’m a pretty big lighting nerd.
@praestant8
@praestant8 2 ай бұрын
Mmmm asbestos
@Mirroxaphene
@Mirroxaphene 2 ай бұрын
@@praestant8 it’s a crunchy snack :-P
@dregenius
@dregenius 2 ай бұрын
Two words explain such extremely antisocial behavior: Weaponized. Autism. 💀
@Funkybulb
@Funkybulb 2 ай бұрын
It nice have u back on You tube again. I beleve in Karma it will bite back
@brendajanes4139
@brendajanes4139 2 ай бұрын
Very nice fixture! However, I would be very careful in operating the light. Those 2 caps will have pcb's inside, and due to age, they will fail! I used to have several 4' preheat fixtures with the high power factor ballasts, but the caps in them went bad. Do miss the blinkfest.......
@compu85
@compu85 2 ай бұрын
Wow I had no idea those existed
@GothGuy885
@GothGuy885 2 ай бұрын
truly unusual ! I remember seeing a florescent fixture as a teen back in the 70's that was an older style by that time. instead of the two prongs on both ends of the tube, it had a single connector at each end that were round, and reminded me of the end of a bullet. I think they were spring loaded, if I remember correctly... I had never seen one like that b4. and this is even more unusual & interesting. Thanks man! 👍gave you a like and sub 😀
@Sparky-ww5re
@Sparky-ww5re 2 ай бұрын
The single contact ended fluorescent lamp you described is widely known as a slimline fluorescent, introduced in 1946 by Westinghouse, the very first ones were indeed slimmer - F42T6, F64T6, F72T8 & F96T8, as opposed to the then most widely used lamps, the F40T12 48 inch, and F100T17 60 inch - introduced in 1940 as highest output fluorescent lamp at the time mostly used in manufacturing facilities and often considered an early prototype of the High Output, Very High Output & Powergroove lamps later introduced by GE in the mid 1950s. Soon after westinghouse introduced the slimline lamps, T12 single pin lamps became available but the name stuck. Today slimline lamps are available in T6, (F42T6, F64T6) T8, (F72T8, F96T8) and T12 in 24, 36, 42, 48, 60. 64, 72, 84 and 96 inches, with the F96T12 by far the most common, along with the F72T12, with the 48 inch and smaller being very uncommon. Slimline lamps are also referred to as instant start lamps, they require a significantly higher voltage to start than other lamps of a given length & diameter, therefore special ballasts are required. Because the lamps start don't use cathode heating like a bi-pin lamp, slimlines are slightly more energy efficient although lamp life is somewhat reduced for a given number of hours/start, so they were almost always used in commercial settings where the lamps are expected to operate continuously for several hours or days between starts.
@GothGuy885
@GothGuy885 2 ай бұрын
@@Sparky-ww5re thanks😀
@lukea.6298
@lukea.6298 2 ай бұрын
Does this thing look like the cyan colored fluorescent lights in movies when on?
@douro20
@douro20 2 ай бұрын
Don't these have a beryllium based phosphor?
@Mirroxaphene
@Mirroxaphene 2 ай бұрын
@@douro20 I’m thinking yes.
@jazbell7
@jazbell7 2 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I had no idea that these existed. During WWII I (age 6-7) lived with my grandparents and they had fluorescent lights in the kitchen that flickered badly. The ferro resonant ballast mostly fixed that. Later we got electronic ballasts all with no or little flicker. Now we have LED lights, some of which flicker.
@Muonium1
@Muonium1 2 ай бұрын
Take super extra care when handling that broken lamp. Being manufactured in the early '40s it absolutely contains manganese doped zinc beryllium silicate phosphor before the phase-out in '49, which happened, incidentally, as a direct result of the identification and discovery of berylliosis of the lungs in workers making exactly this kind of lamp....quite possibly at the exact same factory where these very lamps were made. Be and its compounds, to those who are genetically susceptible, can be supremely toxic, with permissible air concentration levels at the mere nanogram per m^3 level. Hazardous air concentration limits which are only rivaled by things like radium, plutonium, and VX agent. I would actually love to get a spectrum of the light coming off of one of them. I have never seen the spectrum for an original Be phosphor based lamp and it would be a great addition to the halophosphate and tri-phosphate spectra on the wiki page, which I took many years ago.
@ronniepirtlejr2606
@ronniepirtlejr2606 2 ай бұрын
I just ran the video at 2 X speed to get a representation of the 120 HZ, it should be running at. It's a lot more quiet!
@ronniepirtlejr2606
@ronniepirtlejr2606 2 ай бұрын
I would call those "Magnetic bypass coils" I'm just a Electronics hobbyist. Nice lamp though!👍
@grandsoleil56
@grandsoleil56 2 ай бұрын
What's wrong with taking good stuff out of the work place dumpster?
@GothGuy885
@GothGuy885 2 ай бұрын
IKR! they are just throwing it away, anyway. I love to dumpster dive for electronics, for repair or parts.
@mattgraham4340
@mattgraham4340 2 ай бұрын
Could be a hazardous material dumpster intended for special handling disposal. Or, the company just has a policy against it so that employees don't throw away useful items with the specific intent of collecting it later.
@Funkybulb
@Funkybulb 2 ай бұрын
No It has to be accounted for, as it sold as scrap metal.
@walsakaluk1584
@walsakaluk1584 2 ай бұрын
This has to be brighter than a 100W incandescent lamp. Arc lamps were pretty ubiquitous not that long ago wherever high intensity lighting was required. Not street lighting. Seriously my car has HID arc lamps today. Bloody brilliant ( pun intended) I trust you were wearing welding PPE in front of your face at least during this demo. You weren't getting tanned, your skin's DNA was being sliced and diced. Great presentation 🙏
@walsakaluk1584
@walsakaluk1584 2 ай бұрын
Tres cool!
@trevorhaddox6884
@trevorhaddox6884 2 ай бұрын
The tubes act just like a standard full wave mercury rectifier in high power tube circuits. The filament or cathode end is grounded and the two electrodes go to the split phases of a center tap transformer to keep one electrode on at a time. The plate is there to stop an arc from jumping the two electrodes when one is off and causing a short.
@dustinkauffman5868
@dustinkauffman5868 2 ай бұрын
I think I may have 2 of these hanging in my garage. One in the loft no longer works, one in the main garage I don't think I've ever tested. Definitely the same reflector style and definitely old!
@wtmayhew
@wtmayhew 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this old arc lamp. That is a really clever mechanism for keeping the carbons adjusted and making sure the arc touches off reliably when power is first applied. It goes to show that people were plenty smart in the old days - they just had not yet discovered modern technology.
@HamiltonMechanical
@HamiltonMechanical 2 ай бұрын
oh wow! i wondered what happened! glad to have you back man!
@Matthew-jn4jk
@Matthew-jn4jk 2 ай бұрын
I truly miss your streetlighting videos!!!
@Vinicius_Schneider
@Vinicius_Schneider 2 ай бұрын
Always a good day when you post a video!
@harrysmbdgs
@harrysmbdgs 2 ай бұрын
I can't believe a collector would treat another collector with such hostility. Surely this guy understands that if you didn't save stuff it would end up being destroyed, you'd think he would realise you're both working to a common goal, no? Disgusting behaviour, I can only assume his petty spitefulness must be a result of some form of jealousy, I hope karma catches up with him!
@TigerBoyRS
@TigerBoyRS 2 ай бұрын
Welcome back, with a new awesome arc light. Your videos are brilliantly precious, think about that. Cheers 🍷
@JimmyZNJ
@JimmyZNJ 2 ай бұрын
I love this vintage, early fluorescent stuff. I don't have any RF fixtures, but I do have a couple of old T12 based fixtures from the 50s. I grew up with fluorescent, and I still have some of the fixtures from my childhood, so it has a bit of nostalgia for me. The rectified fluorescent you featured look amazingly cool. Thanks for posting this!
@InssiAjaton
@InssiAjaton 2 ай бұрын
A little argument about the frequency. Apart from the gravity effects (vertical mounting), there is basically a symmetry, meaning the current goes through zero 120 times per second, not just 60 times. My understanding and belief has been that the “light pillar” lamps still used in even on the latter part of 1900s for some fair advertising were these carbon arc lamps. In fact they were left-overs from WW2, then used for anti aircraft artillery guidance. . A funny memory from my young explorer days - I put together two carbons from big old lantern batteries, a space heater (as a series connected current limiter) and maybe a 150 W transformer, or maybe no transformer at all, plus some wiring. When I touched the corners of the two carbons to each other, I got an open air version of my “arc lamp” Too bad, the carbons got hot in a short while, and melted the adhesive on the insulating tapes I had applied for keeping the carbons in my hands. The tape started slipping, and I got into direct contact with the carbons. Got a little educational experience that I had not expected. I think one time was enough to me for playing with my arc lamp.
@Muonium1
@Muonium1 2 ай бұрын
0:15 *WHAT?!?* Is this true, or some kind of in-group joke thing? If it's true, people are such lunatics. Why would your employer even care if they were in the dumpster??
@Mirroxaphene
@Mirroxaphene 2 ай бұрын
@@Muonium1 majority of the electrical contractors are crazy about people taking their scrap material. It’s a liability thing.
@nathanwyson3232
@nathanwyson3232 2 ай бұрын
​@@Mirroxaphene i mean is it illegal to get something from the dumpster? (Sorry im not from the US so I don't know any laws about it over there)
@MultipleObjectSelector
@MultipleObjectSelector 2 ай бұрын
​@@nathanwyson3232generally, no, so long as you are not trespassing to access the dumpster. At least in my locality, removing something from a construction waste dumpster accessible from the sidewalk (e.g. parked in the street) would be perfectly fine.
@GothGuy885
@GothGuy885 2 ай бұрын
@@Mirroxaphene i thinks its just plain greed! the want the weight for the metal all to themselves... and get their shorts in a knot if someone takes any of it from them.
@ViatronTumpington
@ViatronTumpington 2 ай бұрын
Hi i'm viatron from Sheffield, this was the very first electric carbon arc street light & since the mid-1880s when the first electric arc street lamps were installed in many towns & cities via being very unstable & very unsafe in those times until the more safer lamps such as tungsten filament, mercury & sodium gas filled versions of the early-1900s & also the development of the fluorescent tube in multi-tubed fluorescent lanterns developed in the 1950s. Thanks for your co-operation on this very special vintage electric arc carbon street lighting subject from David Viatron Esquire of crookes in Sheffield, England.
@TechnologicalHeritage
@TechnologicalHeritage 2 ай бұрын
That’s really great to see you back! I used to enjoy your videos before that drama went down. I on the other hand am guilty of collecting fluorescent stuff haha. Regarding those sockets and how the tubes are held onto the fixture in general, I think really really British fluorescent stuff used their standard bayonet sockets on each end of the lamp, which was quite strange and somewhat reminiscent of the RF stuff at least regarding once again how they were connected and supported. Either way I really loved your presentation on this stuff, to me early fluorescent stuff is right up my alley so it’s really cool to hear about that stuff!