Oh my lord he's back!! I have so many questions and things I'd like to learn from you
@sileado289625 күн бұрын
Stunning work, Thank-you for sharing your experience.
@jpdthe3rd7 ай бұрын
Love the info. I'd love more please and thank you! I'm trying to learn this process ATM but there's no one in my area that even knows how! It's truly a lost art
@SuperGemma20107 ай бұрын
absolutely true tradesmanship to the next level, I do this for a living and have done for 30 years but I don't think any of my continuous rails have come out as good as yours, humbling to view such perfection, love your work
@edwardfitzpatrick12068 ай бұрын
Wow, you got a great tenacity seem like a really nice person and I’m really glad you’re giving me all this information
@fournierfinishing-woodfloo54609 ай бұрын
I'd like to give card scrapers a try. Do you have any that you could show us?
@jameselliotshea56509 ай бұрын
So efficient. Nice work.
@customhandrails54349 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@RisingStairways10 ай бұрын
Super cool
@stairsbyjea290711 ай бұрын
I'm very impressed, that's a very clever way to to it. I'm going to start looking for a post processor and Powered 4th axis to allow me to try that with inventor cam.
@42guitars11 ай бұрын
can carve that part in about same time as cnc on single spindle carver free hand using wooden guide
@kevinbailey378610 ай бұрын
OK. Sure you can......
@nancykoenig506811 ай бұрын
hi, I'm trying to build a wrought iron stair with a rounded plow rail on it. I have an inspiration photo that shows the rail sort of "floating" atop the flat portion BUT I can't seem to find a plowed wood rail that is round enough. I've looked around online and found one manufacturer, but the rail still looks a bit like a mashed down round. Is there something you can enlighten me about? Is the circular shape just not meant to be? Are they only custom made or are there manufacturers out there that sell them?
@customhandrails543411 ай бұрын
Nancy I would be glad to help. Send me some more information about your project.
@abadaaelhoseny2118 Жыл бұрын
Good Job❤❤ Le If I took his Arabs, Baustvad Katrier but thank you
@georgelittrell495 Жыл бұрын
Technology in the future has brought us so far but I still think and believe in the old world message because at the end of the day, it made you the person more valuable, not the machines your own
@chaschan60 Жыл бұрын
I have all the books and have only done a few over the years but this fills in many blanks, always did the parts by hand. I love doing railings very inspirational videos, thank you
@chaschan60 Жыл бұрын
Is your French head machine a ONSRUD w200? Shaper
@customhandrails5434 Жыл бұрын
Yes Charles it is. I took the table off and made a custom one and had a new shaft made. Sounds like you may have an old Onsrud.
@chaschan60 Жыл бұрын
Great Thank you for sharing your experience
@mikekennedy2965 Жыл бұрын
Is the Tangent Handrailing Method dead? NOPE! I use it all the time! I carve handrails that can't be made on 5 axis routers. I work in High end construction exclusively. Sometimes it is historical reproduction and sometimes it is for new, modern designs. I also carve rail parts for other stair companies who need tight wreaths that can't be made any other way. I am certainly NOT "off the grid" or "Old school". I use modern tools to make rail parts faster and more efficient. I also draw in Rhinoceros. Are my parts a little more expensive than ugly "off the shelf" rail parts? Yes but I work in High end construction and my handrails are very reasonably priced compared to other fixtures in these mansions and brownstones. Definitely encourage younger people to do this. Who is going to continue this when we are gone? Who will be able to repair our work years from now?
@customhandrails5434 Жыл бұрын
Mike, good to hear from you. I have a high regard for you and your work and for those you have worked with and influenced. Sounds like we are both servicing the same crowd. I know that the 5 axis machines have there limits which is a good for us but there are other ways to machine tight curves without carving. I would still encourage the next generation to learn Tangent Handrailing and would be glad to teach it, and do, when I am emailed questions, on the other hand though "Hot Rats" wouldn't sound the same on a ukulele. There have been advances in wood working that are here to stay and the "younger people" today are mostly tech oriented with little or no hand tool skills and they will find a way to make technology do what we do in a fraction of the time. What will be lost will be the desire to learn the old ways (because what would be the point) and the skill to do it, if need be, by hand. On a positive note though, there are a few who have been bit by the handrail bug, who only have basic woodworking equipment and they find out that they can make a beautiful handrail wreath old school and are trilled to do it. To wrap this up, I am willing to advise anyone with what ever they have to make beautiful handrail.
@mikekennedy2965 Жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 I'd LOVE to hear "Hot Rats" on a Ukulele! Thanks for the reply. Good luck to you. Keep up the good work...somebody's got to do it!
@martinbast6399 Жыл бұрын
man this is the best video!
@paulwhiteman3625 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely push tangent handrail method to new guys coming into the joinery business. If they are told that they can earn more money doing than being just a run of the mill bench joiner it may create more interest.
@customhandrails5434 Жыл бұрын
Paul, Thanks for your comment. Money is a great motivator but for me it was more about the challenge in a personal way. As a "mill bench joiner" I wasn't getting the personal satisfaction of seeing the finished product and feeling good about attaching my name to it. I wasn't challenged and I wanted something more, something that would hold my interest and focus. I actually lost money pursuing this craft in the beginning because it took my mind and attention away from my bread and butter. So I think my push for Tangent Handrailing would have to be to those who have found themselves wanting more of a challenge in their craft for their own satisfaction. After all when I stand back and look at a finished job and everything looks great and fits perfectly, I am the one who is most amazed. That's my motivation.
@paulwhiteman3625 Жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 couldn’t agree more! When I say run of the mill, I mean that, although we have many very talented and experienced joiners here at our company in the uk, none of us know how the tangent handrail system works. This kinda makes it a niche market and therefore worth a premium..
@nigelknight1435 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make this video showing how you set out the 3 dimensional geometry on flat stock and then go about cutting it, very informative
@customhandrails5434 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for your reply.
@42guitars Жыл бұрын
machined carved railing components for 35 yrs using a single spindle carver and cutters to do any profile on the market ,,,,stil have all my fingers ,,,Houles Custom Woodcarving
@customhandrails5434 Жыл бұрын
Hello Houles, I looked at one of these carvers when I was first starting my journey in handrailing but I couldn't seem to find enough information to make my decision. I did however know of at least two others who were using the French Spindle successfully shaping handrail which helped to make up my mind. Disregarding the danger is what you tend to do when you have a strong desire for the end result and no mater how many years we have done it successfully it is still dangerous. As far as your single spindle carver is concerned we all know that there are more ways to skin a cat but most of them involve sharp tools without discernment as to what they eat. I have chosen a path that puts some distance between my fingers and the sharp tool and I feel more comfortable passing the craft on to the next generation. I like being able to look down at my son's hands and still count to ten.
@stevenmarkcassidy2 жыл бұрын
I think this is interesting and educational. I want to attempt this on my iron railing
@fordguyfordguy2 жыл бұрын
wow, is that a computer controlled mill? pretty awesome. I am making a curved handrail for my stairs and came here looking for ideas on ways to terminate the rail. Looks like Monkey tail is a common way to do it. I would have loved to have talked with you before I started. And would like to get your opinion on my progress so far. I am just using a bandsaw and hand held router.
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
That is where I started as well. Let me know how I can help.
@fordguyfordguy2 жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 Thank you! At this point I think I am ready to stain and start assembly - but I'd love to send you some photos to get your opinion. I started with a basic curve then realized I needed to carve a helix.
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
@@fordguyfordguy Yes send some photos.
@fordguyfordguy2 жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 sorry but is your email listed somewhere? I didn't see it.
@fordguyfordguy2 жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 disregard my last question, I found your email and sent you some photos! It's my second handrail and my first curved one to go on some curved stairs I built. Please let me know what you think!
@jtj25602 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to do this
@42guitars2 жыл бұрын
you need to carve the parts on a single spindle carving machine look up Houles woodcarving on you tube
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
Yes I looked at those machines years ago and decided against them. No regrets.
@matthandy70392 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video
@Pilavvecacik2 жыл бұрын
Hey Earl, greetings from Istanbul :) great video, thank you so much! This will definitely make things easier. But I'm stuck at some point: How do you wrap a surface around a line? I've seen a command called FlowAlongSrf but it says "surface" not a line. Also is there a method to do it in AutoCAD 3D?
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
Kutalmis, Thanks for your comment. In Rhino there is a command called "flow on a curve" which is what I was using in the video. I am not sure about Autocad but you may be able to make a surface on your base line and flow on that. Hope that helps.
@tungnguyenduc12902 жыл бұрын
Hao go qua
@petterostberg90252 жыл бұрын
Exposing and analyzing your errors in public isn´t only brave and humble, but also a hand stretched out to your colleagues, a beautiful thing! The "falling mold" is new to me, and a very helpful technique to level up the accuracy when the ordinate direction is offset, or you have a multiple radius as you very well explain. Its really tricky to get the sidelines accurate in these cases. Thanks!! And a very good warning and explanation of the pitch problem youre bound to run into when working with curved stairs! You are creating an exellent library and modern suppliment to the old books with your videos. Cudos master Earle! It´s very interesting and helpful. You obviously didn´t make this (BEAUTIFUL) handrail (or part of-) with cnc, it would be very interesting to see how you made the mouldings!
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
Thanks Petter for the kind words. Mistakes are good teachers because of the sting. Education is always expensive as we all know too well. As far as the profiling is concerned, the shop tour video on the French Spindle shows the machine that was used on this fitting.
@jamesbaldwin76762 жыл бұрын
These starting level/rake fittings, including volute-arm wreaths (as production pieces) fit entirely under the band saw and started out as tilted blocks with the sides simply sawn to fit the plan-view. I've done so many of them that "face molds" were just high/low patterns, as was the pitch of the plank under the saw. The specific handrail pitch for each piece, was transferred to the curved shank and the piece was blocked-out. Then machine profiled, sanded and shipped. Each arm required no more than 3 hours work. I shipped two and three pieces every day, for years. There was never any knowledge or use of tangent handrail or drawing curves from ordinate points, whatsoever. I'm not advocating anything, other than an open mind when it comes to "whatever works." It's entirely possible to overthink some things. I am however, fully aware of providing specific instructions to CNC equipment, "as a mandatory requirement."
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
Jim, I would be the first to admit to overthinking. Just my OCD nature I guess. I think that's why I never took up playing golf. To many variables on getting the angle and the speed of the club to the ball. I was never good with " just hit the ball". I would often envy the guy that could pick up a handrail fitting run to the saw and wack the end off at an eye ball guesstimate, hold it up to its connecting piece to get a look and run back to the saw and one more wack and done. Meanwhile I am still working on the pitch block. This seems like a curse at times but hopefully it will yield a blessing.
@jamesbaldwin76762 жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 You're speaking to your machines, according to their language. Something I never learned and not covered by any "tried and true" method or book. You're a pioneer.
@nickgironda89322 жыл бұрын
I’m old school bro a hand drawn stretch out elevation might of saved you 🧐 I love that you’re keeping the tangent method alive! THANK YOU 🙏
@brianbell9662 жыл бұрын
Awesome thank you.
@brianbell9662 жыл бұрын
Thanks Earle, loving it.
@dexterfreyou58182 жыл бұрын
can't thank you enough for sharing your insights on tangenting. it's what this corner of carpentry needs! Thanks again Earle!!
@CreativeCarpentry2 жыл бұрын
Good video - it’s impressive the way that you improved the safety on your French spindle, it shows you had a very good understanding of how it functioned . There is always something graceful when a handrail is shaped following the contours and blending them together. Thanks
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
Thanks David, as far as the French Spindle goes the best safety feature would be not to use it at all but if you don't value your fingers it does do the job. Thanks again for the kind words.
@jamesbaldwin76762 жыл бұрын
There are always different ways of doing things... I start out with a straight board, wider than 8" and rip it down the center. Joint the ripped edges. Cut these into short boards and cut the "mitre-angles" on the end of each pair with the mitre saw. Glue the boards back together, lining-up the mitres and creating the cheek-cut or bird's mouth. Glue these pieces back together in the exact configuration before the board was split. Measure and drill a small center-hole, all the way through each piece and according to your layout-drawing. Band-saw round and screw down for CNC shaping (or whatever.) Mill these with the cheek-cut void or filled, until the overall cap-diameter and cheek-cut fits the end of your pre-cut rail or fitting perfectly. I've done it several different ways, including Earl's method and find this way to be easier. The glue-line down the middle (if done right) is nearly imperceptible and in no way objectionable. Moreover, it's a jointed and clamped glue-joint. It may be a bit of a cheat but many things which look incredibly difficult in woodworking, are not always so.
@georgenissley75892 жыл бұрын
Great video!George 3357
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
Thanks George
@jamesbaldwin76762 жыл бұрын
Is Tangent Handrail dead? The short answer is "yes" and it didn't die yesterday, but a generation or more ago. It went out of style along with geometric stair building, of which it was a part. The fact that Earl and a few others have somehow managed to hang-on and make a living, is the exception to the rule. Modern building practices and codes have all but eliminated Tangent Handrail (how can we gracefully sweep a raked-stair rail over, to a 42" guard rail?) What's more,..modern CAD and CNC techniques and technologies, speak an entirely different language. "Tangent-planes and differential geometry," are foreign concepts to them and require significant translation to make work. This is all very regrettable however, since "Tangent Handrail" represents the culmination and pinnacle of the "art and science" of stair building and handrail construction, for the last 500 years. It remains nearly impossible to create "Staircase Master Pieces" without some knowledge of Tangent Handrail. So where do we go from here? (Down to Home Depot of course.) If this isn't where you want to go however, keep reading. But do it with your eyes wide open to the fact that while you're busy reading, the other guy has already slammed in some 6010 and has moved on. The work required to gain, even a rudimentary grasp on the subject, is beyond insane and nearly impossible without real help. Guys like Earl do not grow on trees and know better than to try to persuade others to follow their footsteps through fire. I'm not so smart and continue to teach and encourage guys to go-for-it, but not without some honesty first.
@customhandrails54342 жыл бұрын
Hello Jim, good to hear from you again. I have a very high regard for your work and input over the years in promoting the Tangent Handrailing Method. You are one of the few that pushed against the direction of the slammed in 6010 scene that didn't no any better. I have seen an awakening in some (which I believe you are partly responsible for) who have a desire to bring back the beauty of the geometric stair and a smooth beautiful flowing handrail. Its not for the masses though and never has been but there are a few out there who have seen some of the good stuff on line or in one of your favorite books that want something better than Friday night beer money. They are more interested in creating something that they are proud of that has value and lasting beauty. There are a few still out there. I have meet some of them online and at the (Stairbuilders and Manufacturers Association) SMA meetings. Its a great thing to see. All is not lost and yes the code changes have cramped our style but maybe saved some injuries along the way. I was just in DC in one of the embassies to laser shoot the outside wall on a beautiful old circular staircase. They want me to make a wall rail. The reason is this, the beautiful original handrail on the open side is 4-1/2" wide and not graspable. I am with you on the honesty factor and am not as smart as you assume, I too am open to any who want to learn the so called footsteps of fire. I received an email with a drawing after posting this KZbin video and walked someone through his first face mold journey successfully and it was fulfilling as you well know. Maybe there are a few tenderfoots out there who are ready for another James Baldwin class somewhere. Regards Earle
@jamesbaldwin76762 жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 Yes, the rumor of my demise was only partly correct. Thanks
@petterostberg90252 жыл бұрын
Man mr master Baldwin!!! I´m so greatful for your videos on This is carpentry wich got me into the mysteries of tangent handrailing!! I have so many times whished there was a follow up on them on what techniques you use to shape the wreathes to profile. If youre still in the business, or at least would shoot a simplified sample video it would be a gift to the trade and of great value for coming generations. There is very little on this topic, far less than the also rare drawing methods. Please!! :)))
@jamesbaldwin76762 жыл бұрын
@@petterostberg9025 I've tried replying to you but it's not printing my response (so you're probably not getting it.) If you look back you should find my email address. Try contacting me using that, or ask Earl @ Custom Handrails. He knows my contact information.
@doctertoboggan2 жыл бұрын
Ha, I only did my first one last year and it certainly brought back memories when you talked about jumping from one book to another book to another!
@catalinnastase46573 жыл бұрын
the only choise: modeling 3D thanks for spending your time!
@brianbell9663 жыл бұрын
I have been interested in tangent hand-railing all of my working life, but only came across the need for it once, it is not in fashion in the UK any more. I have finally got to the point where I can draw almost any handrail development over various plan and elevation scenarios and find it great fun. I know it’s time consuming and pointless now as I’m retired, but I still draw imaginary scenarios from time to time just for fun. I hope it’s not dead and can see CNC is the future ,but feel there will always be a need for a one off wreath for the small stair builder.
@petterostberg90253 жыл бұрын
Having learnt the drawing process it´s actually not that time consuming to make the drawings by hand, and if one does not have the cnc machinery there is no need to have the full cad drawing. I make the drawings in Sketchup and print the facemould, but it´s basicly the same thing as drawing on a sketchboard, and a wreath is drawn in about 10 minutes. There are a few unnecessary "stumble pits" that got me loosing hair on my head before unrevealing, for instance when you make the bevel line, the compass should swing the opposite direction than shown in most of diCristina´s drawings to get the correct bevel application to the butt end of the wreath. Very confusing, and my guess is that a lot of people have given up on that stage... It´s a beautiful art! Thanks for your videos!
@customhandrails54343 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input Petter. Back in the beginning days my pursuit, a good friend of mine, made a copy of a book in a Philadelphia library by Edward Loth called The Practical Stair-Builder. The only problem was that the scale of the copies had been altered (stretched in one direction) to fit the paper which rendered all of the arcs and circles of the drawings into elliptical lines. Imagine my confusion.
@petterostberg90253 жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 😂 Cheers to that!
@nickgironda89323 жыл бұрын
In the early 2000’s I wrote to DiChristina only to find that he passed with no surviving family. The publisher said he didn’t even know where to send royalties! I BELIEVE in the tangent method and have used it many times. Thank you for your work and content AND the tangent method is; RARE, yes; HIGHLY specialized, yes; DIFFICULT, yes; dead, NO!
@petterostberg90253 жыл бұрын
Well, I guess it all comes down to how you a: estimate the demand for curved stairs and railings amongst your potential customer range, b: how much you want to concentrate and specialize in making them. I´m not sure I´d like to be stuck all day long the year around to make handrails. I´ve always found pleasure in variation. One week making cabinets for the church, the other restoring an old kitchen, and then making a beautiful circular staircase the upcoming weeks... In my way of working I find it hard to invest in such specialized machinery and knowledge as 4 axis cnc. I´ve struggled through the painstaking process of tangent handrailing through diChristina, (infact sitting whith the book right now rehersing, when your video showed up!!) and I can definately agree, the hardest part is the final shaping. But if one only comes across a couple of customers in a year interested enough and actually willing to pay up, its nice to have the skills to preform it without having the eqipment standing eating your bread and butter! Love your work! And so happy that you keep posting and bringing the trade to a discussion on the web! Cudos! Tack och hälsningar från Sverige! :)
@mikekennedy2965 Жыл бұрын
learn how to carve and you won't need fancy (but limited) 5 axis routers!
@markthespark64593 жыл бұрын
Well hello there Earle! You got me on the edge of my seat here. As a long time no tech stair builder myself that has just bought a brand new shinny 3 axis cnc router that I haven’t had for even a full month yet but I have built two sets of radius stair with already and I am absolutely over the moon with how much this thing is making my life soo much easier ,and the accuracy is astounding. I have done some tangent railing over the years and have always dreaded the process for the same reasons you mentioned (can get time consuming and down right dangerous) I actually made my first up easing fitting today on the cnc and it came out awesome. I am definitely on “team” tech now that I have been exposed to it and am looking forward to learning the software inside and out to use my machine to its full potential. Thanks for the great video so far. 👍
@customhandrails54343 жыл бұрын
Mark the Spark Sounds like there is no turning back for you. Now lets see where you can put some wood on one of your VW bugs. Back in the late 60s I had a bug and a touring bus with the pull back roof. I'm sorry I didn't hang on to the bus. Thanks for the kind words. I hope Part 2 comes out asap. Earle
@markthespark64593 жыл бұрын
Love my vws! Siders Carpentry by day Mark The Spark by night. Definitely should have kept the bus they are worth their weight in gold these days.
@BigTwig8583 жыл бұрын
I cut the miter in a turned disc first, dry fit the mitered easing into it, trace the easing profile onto the mitered cap joint face, transfers the cap back to my lathe faceplate and the shape the cap to the trace line on my lathe.
@customhandrails54343 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony for skinning this cat another way. Great idea.
@BigTwig8583 жыл бұрын
@@customhandrails5434 I love your work and execution. You have excelled at your craft, the finest I’ve seen. I have a few nice rail accomplishments but not close to yours. What’s important is i love the craft and the challenge. Be well my fellow craftsman
@JohnThomas-hq4ye3 жыл бұрын
Great Explanation so informative !Thanks for taking the time. Not to many people know what goes into making a beautiful staircase !
@customhandrails54343 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ericmatson73393 жыл бұрын
Nice to see how all my parts get made, thanks. More orders to come soon guess ill have to get to know Joe soon as well
@customhandrails54343 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eric, yes you will be talking to Joe pretty soon.
@ivako69023 жыл бұрын
Приветствую,Эрл,спасибо за обзоры, приятно ,познавательно смотреть.В добрый час!С уважением,Юрий.