That info would work better if you also had the number of accidental discharges for all the other gun models in use, to see how much difference there is between the numbers.

Many others many places Cops like ilitary. Most ARE NOT GUN PEOPLE

If static electricity caused a chambered round o fire, there wouldn't be a firing pin imprint on the primer.

static electricity making a gun go off????..... I call BS

@ you should know because you’re full of it

@@frankmartin8471 why not the bullet wanted to eject it hit the pin it was a very small dent but it was there nothing like when you pull the trigger and the hammer hits the pin

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You FEEL there has been enough evidence... thinking is kind of different. I have yet to see any evidence... feel free to link to video to enlighten myself and others though. I am not saying it might not be possible, but I have been waiting for someone to let me evaluate one that is claimed to have discharged, as I have not been able to get one to reach a state for this to happen.

You’re on the right track. Protraband’s latest video about the P320 explains some of this.

Cheap junk...the chevy of firearms...you have to upgrade everything to make it decent

How is it a sear issue? Explain this please.

Institutions are slow to change. They never seem to just flat out jump into a big change. It's always a slow half assed transfers of philosophy and equipment. Since the Glock was basically the LEO gun of choice for decades, many LEOs felt a safety would get them killed in the streets (meaning that they will forget to remove the safety when they must shoot a suspect). Despite the fact that previous to the Glock, the gun of choice for America's PDs were firearms like the Beretta 92fs and 1911s that had manual safeties. But the cops who came from the Glock era are refusing to learn and use manual safeties today. We are starting to see a resurgence in manual safeties.

Military has had 9 discharges last one had many witnesses in a MP station.

Yes, this video is long. However, spending time with a professional reinforces the need to train and re-train.

Exactly. Two completely different platforms, one that rests the firing pin at the full-cock position, with a couple of weak sears holding a UD back. With the right amount of frame/slide jostle, while sitting upright in a retention holster… anything could happen.

@@DookeyRidr Have ever study the upgraed P320? It has s striker block, the striker is not moving forward if the T R I G G E R is not pulled. This has been debate, debunk, corrected ,etc...many many times. Even if the sear just melted like butter on a 103 degree Iraq night ,the striker is not going to move forward. Their's a YT channel called sig mechanic he does a great job explaining the P320. I still today have yet to see my P320 discharge by itself. Sig mechanic even have video out were he tried "manually to dislodge" the safety with tools and could not overcome the safeties.

Yes, I was walking to my patrol vehicle and it went off. It was secured in my holster. I never thought anything like this would have happened. But it did . And it just happened to a marble falls officer this past friday, while it was secured in his holster. There is a problem with this gun. Yes there a bunch of officers that have carried this gun for years and never had a problem and want to say it was the officers fault/negligence. That is an uneducated view. It never happened to you until it happens to you. I WAS THERE. IT HAPPENED..I hate when I see some "expert" that says there is nothing wrong with the sig saur p320 because they have never had it happen to them or anyone they know. That is flawed logic. I am the LG officer that this happened to and I was not negligent. Just because someone is a firearms instructor/ipa or whatever also does not mean they experts. I have seen some firearms instructors that were idiots.. Ive been a cop for 35 years, shot guns all my life. I didnt do anything wrong . To this poster...yes this gun is going off on their own.. I was there...you are wrong , sir..it keeps happening., educate yourself...google it it was rushed to production to get the almost 600 million dollar government contract. IT IS NOT A TRAINING ISSUE I hope it never happens to you, but if it does remember your fricking judgmental comments here. You repeated all of sigs sound bites about this gun. Are you a sig fanboy,,,getting money from sig?...dont like it when people judge you without knowing the facts? Think about that, Sir

@@kevincurr I wrote to your department listing my concerns with the P320 design. I know that was sticking my nose into somebody else's business, but I don't hear people talking about the potential for slide play to act on the sear engagement. I wanted to put that bug in your department's ear (or in your lawyer's). All the best to you and your fellow officers. To any who carry the P320, please consider potential vulnerabilities in the design.

Yours seems the most intelligent comment I’ve heard in the thousands I’ve read. I’m not at all a gunsmith but looking at the tolerances, the size of the parts and the amount of play…even I had wondered about what you said. Even aside from that, carrying that gun chambered without a manual safety is very much as you say…dangerous. I have likened it to carrying a 1911 cocked but not locked…and it very much is. To show you how dumb I am though, I have a question: Does the use of manual safety override the problem as you see it? Thank you.

@@rpmorrisjr I don't know from anything I've personally observed. There was a Marine cleared of negligent discharge. He was at his post when the P320 discharged. The investigation found he had not mishandled the gun and the safety on his military P320 was engaged at the time of the discharge. You can find that report by searching Google for "Handgun/Rifle/M-18, Event # 561138". The conclusion of the report includes the statement, "After reviewing the security camera video footage, the mishap investigator concluded that P1 did not mishandle the weapon at anytime while on duty at Gate 1 prior to the weapon discharging. From the evidence and statements from the persons involved, it is apparent that the weapon fired while on safe and secured in the holster." Most safeties fail to provide the absolute guarantee of an empty chamber, and that's OK. The point is to stack the deck far enough that in a practical sense the gun won't misbehave under proper and respectful handling. For instance, I like my 1911s and their safeties. Forget tradition and two world wars, I can take the gun down to individual pieces. Safety components are large items. The most critical thing about a 1911 thumb safety, in my unschooled Kentucky windage analysis, is the clearance between the trigger sear and the pad on the thumb safety blocking sear movement. That clearance must be less than the travel required for the sear to release, which sounds like a bad thing to have to trust. But you can assemble the gun without the grip safety and check that clearance yourself, and you can test it by pulling the trigger with the safety engaged (gun cleared, please). I don't have to trust unverified operation. Round in the chamber, hammer back, safety on, appendix carry, all perfectly fine. The gun is mechanically safe and I verified that. If I handle it properly, I'm not putting myself or others at risk. I'm not a gunsmith or a mechanical engineer. My only credentials with firearms are lifelong exposure to them, many years of peacefully carrying one, and zero unintended discharges. On that last point, I must remain humble. I'm human and can make mistakes. Be safe!

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why not both? The whole bandwagon brand sucking in the 2A space is ridiculous.

Likes,to hear himself talk.

True, but everyone forgets that there was a change in technology going from a revolver to a semi auto. But going from Glock to Sig? What changed? Semi auto vs semi auto, no difference in tech. Only thing that changed was the gun.

@@patrickcarcamo622 the lack of the trigger safety is the big difference, ive seen people pull glocks out of their holster with the finger riding the side of the trigger (not in the trigger itself but the side edge). And the Sig does not have that to prevent an actual pull like the Glock trigger safety does. (if Sig implemented this like every other manufacturer you wouldnt have this issue). Again its training, the military does not have discharge issues as giant majority going in is pretty much learning to shoot their first handgun ever on the Sig, and because of that learn the do's and dont's vs the police departments that have always used Glocks, but made the switch to Sigs to officers who have always had a specific way they would ride the trigger while drawing from their holsters. (another issue is the holsters types, some holsters have more snag issues, which again, the trigger safety on the glock prevents). If people are worried about this there are plenty of aftermarket kits available from just installing a standard thumb safety like the m17/m18 have to a trigger safety like Agency Arms has for example. Or just learn proper holster discipline. (never heard of competition shooter having a accidental discharge with a P320 because they practice holstering techniques over and over again.

⁠@@patrickcarcamo622mechanically the P320 is quite a bit different from the Glock. Technology wise, it’s actually a modular pistol… The fcu isn’t part of the frame and is self contained. As for safety issues, the drop safe problem was resolved awhile ago and no recent models have had it. The holster discharge issue isn’t a prominent problem that anyone has been able to replicate. There’s half a million in military service and millions owned by civilians/LE over roughly half a decade and there’s a little over a few dozen or so reports and many have no proof it wasn’t actually a ND… I’ve only been able to find 2 reports showing the user absolutely wasn’t messing with the gun and the holster was impacted with no way to see if anything was in the trigger guard. I have tried and tried to get mine to release the striker without touching the trigger and I can’t. I’ve smacked it while twisting and trying to pry the slide from the frame and visa versa. I’m not saying it’s impossible but as time goes on it’s proving to be an exceedingly rare occurrence most p320 owners will never run into. I haven’t found a single report of this happening with a iwb holster either.

@@xi-deadshot-ix5838 None of that changes how the gun is handled. The Sig has a partially cocked striker, while the Glock does not. In other words, the Sig is "closer" to a firing condition. If it has such a delicate trigger, it has no place in duty work. CC is a lot different than police work. Military dosen't count due to manual safeties. CC mostly don't open carry, so their gun is more protected. How often do CC's bang their pistols around on a daily basis compared to police? I have a retired service pistol and a CC pistol. Guess which one has the beat up grip from sticking out and getting hit against every little thing?

The difference being the glocks fired when a human put their finger on the trigger and pulled it. The sigs fired when a human didn't put their finger on the trigger and pull it. Kind of a big difference, huh.

right ! motorcycles don`t kill people ,people do ?

Maybe you should learn how the gun works and see there is no way the gun can fire without the trigger being depressed. It has NEVER been replicated in a lab, attempted via multiple parties. Instead, you push a Bloomberg lawyer anti gun narrative because you’re most likely a fanboy of a different manufacturer that has been legally attacked by the same people. Well, that or you’re a m o r o n anti gunner!

Its impossible for the 320 to discharge without pulling the trigger. It has 3 safeties in place.

Except there's videos online of it going off while holstered

@@thegreenberetlife0191 dumnass !

​@@fkrr5Oh yeah? We have a 4th dimensional video showing that those guns have nothing inside of the holster?

This is not true. The Glock is almost a double action pistol because the trigger pull itself cocks the striker.

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As a 30 year veteran LEO, I can sadly agree that too many cops are deficient in the tools of the trade. That said, admin and politicians have been de-emphasizing and defunding lethal force training for decades. They DO NOT want cops to shoot anyone because they fear lawsuits and political fallout.

You left out the second worst. Democrats. 😅

I was a Cop for years & I was just as scared of getting shot by my fellow Officers as I was by the bad guys ...

​@@USCtrojanFootball1news flash, lots of us Democrats are gun owners who actually practice..we just don't run around desperately trying to look like Tommy Tactical, so you probably never notice us...