So you’re telling me I was spelling the planets name wrong the entire time, I was calling it brite hollow 😂

im going to argue the first point, not because you are wrong inherently, but because there is more to debate. The nomai knew nothing of the ghost matter, and therefore couldnt account for how it would interact with the sun. Yes, the interloper itself did not cause the supernova, but saying it had no effect is a much different claim. Why do i believe its lingering payload of ghost matter accelerated the death of the sun, no matter how little the overall effect? it is simply because, even on the scale of the game, the red giant phase just feels a bit too short. Yes, the sun died naturally, but we dont see the aftermath of the supernova while locked in the ATP or with the mechanical constraints of all the bad endings at the same time. We cant definitely prove the ghost matter had no effect, just as much as we cant definitely prove the ghost matter had an effect. Maybe it is my own selection/confirmation bias, but from the little i observed without going out of my way to conduct an experiment by watching the process loop after loop, it seems the interloper, at least in the context of the simulation running properly, gets absorbed into the sun mere moments before the supernova. I am only claiming the interloper was the spark, the catalyst, to set it off while the already old and frail sun was reaching the end of its life. The interloper was a bullet fired at a sun on death's door already conversing with the reaper. Call it a mercy kill to end the suffering, or claim the sun was dead before the bullet hit its "target"?

The important, in my mind, isn't the most advanced technology but their philosophy and belief system. Their philosophy about the knowledge is radicaly different : The Nomai's was about find knowledge, understand it and transmit it. The Elk's was about find a knowledge which is based on a belief. But, when they don't accept this knowledge, they burn it, censure it, hide it and don't hesite to be violent to protect the truth but above all, their lies. Concerning belief, we see that the Elks are the most radical in this aspect. They have sacrificied everything : their moon, their life mode to find the Eye of the Universe, the answer to all their question metaphysicals. But they didnt accept the answer and refused the call. The one who doesn't believe their dogma is emprisonned for the eternity, his house burnt, his image erased from the history and even images. In the Elk people, we have a herd behaviour where everyone must agree with the principal opinion and the originals are banished forever from their life. But we can't forget that the Nomai had too an Altar in their both cities for the Eye of the Universe. It shows the importance of their quest of truth about the Eye, the universe's secrets... A quest which has lead Escall's clan,to take a risk inconsiderate (but justified in their philosophy) to find the source of the most strange phaenomen never discovered. For them, who cherishes their vessel as an home (the vessel isn't broken but hurted, the survivors from unfortunate Capsule 1 renounce to find an escape to stay and listen its last sounds...) The others survivors renounce to a part of their identity : they sacrifice their mode of life of nomad (Nomaï, coincidence ? I don't believe it) to become sedentary for building the project to find the answer to the Eye of the Universe. It's very important. Concerning the Altars... Elk's Altar are like churches and the Eye is an important religious symbol, it's holy and venerated, the Promise Land.... The Eye is above all, a religion. When their belief in this symbol becomes heretical, they burn its representation everywhere, even in the house of a Elk believes in the Eye of the Universe. They burn his house twice ! But attention ! The Nomaïs too have their Altars. The difference rests in the acceptation of all the opinions from everyone. Solanum beeing child thought that the Eye was evil but she doesn't look shunned for thinking that in her school. She is supported to learn more about it and she changes her opinions by her studies and her travel to the Quantum Moon. And she was one of the rare Nomaï who was synchronized with a mask and a statue for the projet Ash Twin Project ...before her initiatic travel when children were forbidden to see in the workshop of the statues. It's the first difference between Nomaï and Elks, they are agree for not be agree. They have differences of opinions very strong (about ethic like the sun station is an exemple, the end justifies or not the method ?). Some Nomaïs believed that they were the Chosen Ones for finding the Eyes of the Universe, others Nomaï thought that the signal was adressed to everyone with the will and means to come). The Altars weren't not so much religious churches based but philosophy meetings, even if some Nomaï were believers. The second difference is their deep respect for the life. The Elks have destroyed their moon, their ecosystem, for building an immense vessel to find the Eye of the Universe. They don't try to install themselves on another planet and prefer to grip to their nostalgy. They don't shearch others knowledges and prefer to hide themselves and not to be found. The Nomaï have taken risks too (Escall in particular) but the signal was sudden and could (would be) stopped in an instant. They didn't have the the time for reflexion, to warn the other clan. It was now or never. And the cost in Nomaï lives was enormous: between a tier and the half of their clan. (capsule 1+ death when the vessel was crashed on Dark Brambles). BUT, the Nomaïs had an big respect for the life (studying the specy which has attempted to eat them...) but above all, find a more difficult mining site for not interfering with the habitat of this cute life form amphibian with four eyes no yet totally evoluated. But they had the faith they could evoluting because, when minning, they took only the matter necessary for the project Ash Twin because the future species would have need of that ore to explore the space. Third difference ; the Elks haven't accepted their mistake. Worse, they are prepared to kill or torture for protecting their lies or the terrible truth about what they have done. The Nomaïs had to accept their many failure many times for seeking the Eyes of the Universe or to understand the Quantum Moon (on Alterrock, in the South Observatory in Brittle Hollow, the Hourglasses twins, the Solar Station unability to work and finally, their powerless to stop the Interloper to destroy their civilization.) Fourth difference :The acceptation of the Death and the life: We have proof that the Nomaïs were in love, couples who were funny, cute, very too much enthousiastic, obvious too...with density of a blackhole... They had children; They were loved, admired by their elders for their curiosity and rules to respect scientific reality. The main relation is between from Master to Student who becomes Master and teach their pupils. At least three or four generations ! One of the most crushing thing is to find skeletons of children... The Nomaïs were taken by surprise by the Interloper but we see that Solanum has accepted that she is probably dead and her people too because nobody had found her. The Elks refuse the Death AND the life. They have elders, but they have not children. It's a people without future.They refused to colonize a planet no by respect but because they were emprisonned in their nostalgy of the past. A such Nostalgy that they have preferred to create a virtual world of their dream (where they have done any mistake) and to live this little life during hundred of thousand years... Without changing anything. Without evoluate, without progress and they are dead for becoming immortal and cease all progress. Five : About their technology ; Perhaps the Elks, beeing eldest, were more "evoluated" technologicaly when they have found the Eye of the Universe (attain interstellar travel by the long way isn't easy !) or created this virtual reality (with many bugs) but after they have go in , any evolution, any progress. The one exception to progress was the prisonner : his paint in his burnt house showing how the Eye the Universe, under the form of a flower create futur universe from the death of the precedent is a beauty. Contrary to the Nomaïs who learn new things in physical (time travel); biology (the ancestor of Hearthians, coalacanthus), physical of the difference between the twisters of Giant Deep, Quantum Physical with the rock and the moons, astronomy, architecture... The morality in theses differences was Don't dream your life, live your dreams. For the Hearthians... They are a mix between the original Elks before the discovery of the Eye of the Universe and the Nomaïs. They live simply, in wood houses, are fishing, playing, have a love for music and art and like looking the space. The program Odyssey isn't the totality of the village but their philosophy is similar to the Nomaï : to seek, to discover and to transmit in their museum to the future generations (our character who takes the relay by visiting the museum) and the new youngs who are fascinated by the space too. But each have their own and different interrest (the obsession to cut a tree...preventing fires... make wine, to cook marshmallows...) And the most important in that : they don't seem to have a belief in something or someone. They don't know about the Eye of the Universe. Because the Elks and their too much young civilization, they have never hear the signal. But it's an Hearthian who goes in the Eye of the Universe because they has followed the past to go in the future, because they were trapped in an eternal present and didn't accept it.

Do the physics calculations do gravity assists? Cos you would have gotten a nice assist off of ash twin there

Eren's dream in the first episode was changed for the anime, and nothing in it should be taken into consideration for the plot. He never had a dream of his mom getting eaten.

2:24 also the stars in the sky dim out overtime throughout the loop. The outer wild guy (i forgot the name) on ember twin is tracking this

Something I love about this is that when the statue first activates and turns to you, that's the moment where the eye is found for the very first time.

i remember thinking this was how you were supposed to get there

Another mistake, the sun didn't explode a million times, it only exploded once, what happens is the difference in perspective of those who are seeing the same thing several times, if you take the time machine out and die, it's game over, and then there is no canonical justification to continue playing.

The real excitement of Echoes of the Eye is that Mobius isn’t just a flash in the pan and they didn’t stumble onto anything, they really can bottle lightning twice. I am so excited for their next project.

Fun fact, I never actually went to the interloper and saw the ghost matter shell inside before meeting the prisoner, so as far as the game knew, I had never learned how the Nomai died. When the Hearthian shows the prisoner their memories about nomai history, for me the comet was omitted entirely and the nomai just dropped dead mysteriously. The attention to detail is incredible.

Amazing 🩵🩵🩷🩷

Doesn't your character also controll the orb with their eyes? How else would they be able to move the orb on timberhearth to open the gate which leads into the mines? Also the Orb in the tubes is in closed space, so again its most likely tech from the nomai to be able to move these orbs with eyes or thoughts?

Man thinking about it, it kind of makes sense why she's stuck at the 6th location. I imagine that in order to move to different moon locations, there has to be a POSSIBILITY or maybe an entangled version of you that can observe the moon at different locations. Since the ghost matter killed her at every other moon location, if she went back to the tower, she would find herself completely unable to travel to any of the other locations given that there is no version of her capable of consciously observing the moon anywhere but at the 6th location.

Just finished the dlc too, and now i can comfortably watch videos about this game. I was avoiding anything about it for so long.

something I've been meaning to do for a while is to jump into the atp black hole, then go to the eye with my clone just chilling where they are. The sun doesn't supernova immediately, so I imagine it's possible to get there, but I am very curious to see which ending is prioritised

Am I the only person who finds this thing unreasonably difficult? I've beaten the game already and I still haven't done this. Like I swear to god it's taken at least 3 tries (and I still haven't done it) having to wait for the moon to eith reappear on brittle hollow or travel all the way around it's orbit takes way too long for how finnicky the process is. I'll try have again another time.

Bunny + corgi = burgi

well, at least ONE THING the devs missed out

13:00 why should you still hear the ending music, if you are dead and that prevents you from hearing the alarm bells?

If the next universe comes from the smoke of the fireplace at the ancient glade, which comes from the tree that formed by "you" the player, then who was the smoke/tree of the current universe? The only other character I can think of which has this same tree-symbolism is The Prisoner, both from the flower-picture in their house, and their grave remnants in the ancient glade supporting the life of a new tree. The Prisoner also seems like the second most important character for The Eye to be observed, after the player. While there were many important Nomai, there were no single Nomai that made such an important decision (except for maybe Escall who ordered The Vessel to warp ASAP?). There is definitely a lot of symbolism with the trees, since they're also the only other object in the game that become quantum, not just in that they move around, but it literally has the quantum texture (in the part right after the galaxies fade out, but before you meet "yourself" and become a tree). The tree becomes a quantum "solid" this way, but also a gas by burning at the campfire just before starting the new universe. Please tell me if I sound too crazy.

4:44 The fish are not their ancestors since they are contemporary, they just have four eyes because they share a common ancestor, like us and fish on Earth

PLEASE ANYONE I want to watch this video but I haven't finished the DLC yet, but I see a figure from the DLC at 1:00. Is it safe to watch or do I need to finish the DLC first as well?

This gift is very strange, maybe I'm a dreamer, but who knows if it could be a little teaser about their next game

Dunk hollow's lantern into Giants deep's ocean to save brittle hollow lol

I think you're wrong about the Vessel and Dark Bramble. The paintings in the old settlement on Brittle Hollow show the thorns reaching out at the Vessel, which would be impossible if they warped straight into Dark Bramble, and if they did, how would the two escape pods make it out considering how deep they were? I think that the younger Dark Bramble was much smaller and more active, as evidenced by how quickly the seed on Timber Hearth grew. When the Nomai warped in, the bramble reached out and started pulling it in, trapping the vessel and an escape pod. Then, over time, Dark Bramble grew and grew, growing around the vessel, bringing it comparatively deeper and deeper into the core. Edit: I read some other comments, and they say that the DLC proves they warped into Dark Bramble. Trying to avoid spoilers, I'm gonna be playing that tomorrow. Maybe I'll have to revisit this comment when I'm done.

The one thing in this video I don't agree with is the eye allowing the probe to find it right when the statue syncs with you. If you go to the center of giants deep you'll learn that over 9 million loops took place before the probe found the eye, and only after the eye was found were the statues activated.

So, THATS how the nomai ships work

Oh man that's so cool!! You deserve that gift man. 😀

Awesome astrobiology video 📹 👏

I recall seeing a couple of blind plays of the game where people at the start thought that the game was about finding a way to get the sun to stop exploding. I sort of feel like the game is set up to hint that might be the case and of course get people to think it might be the sun station or the interlopper. But the people I saw play realized their mistake and that the game misled them.

Thanks for uploading this! I never experienced this in my playthrough

Ironic that there's such an easy method and I overthought this so hard. My first visit to the QM involved placing the scout on the Ember Twin (?) observatory and using it to hold the QM in place. This is also how I found out the obervatory doesn't track planets when you're not nearby 😕.

What really gets me is that the Hearthians discovered the stranger on accident with a generation of attaining space flight. Its hard to beleive that the nomai never launched a vetrically orbiting satellite or probe, as thats all thats needed to notice the strangers cloaking field.

Hell yeah!!

wait a second is the image thing they signed something we’ve seen before? it looks unfamiliar…. 🧐