Am studying for my AE license and now this stuff is beginning to make sense. thanks!
@eie_for_youКүн бұрын
I am glad that this video is helping to make sense of things. But I am not familiar with an AE license. Please do not use acronyms, not everyone will necessarily know what you are talking about. 🙂
@IK8XOO--Paolo3 күн бұрын
Good, nice and very, very clear, precise and exhaustive in the explanations: you deserve many more views and subscribers. Highly recommended to my students. Tell us about yourself: engineer? Professor? Or simply enthusiast? 73s.
@eie_for_you2 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! I've played with electronics since I was in grade school. Ham radio and electronics all through Jr High and High school. I was in the USAF with an electronics related specialty. Getting out of the USAF, I became a biomedical technician working for a hospital. Eventually I got my electrical engineering degree and have worked in the heavy military electronics, medical and petrochemical fields. The later two as a product design engineer. Why EIE? Check out my introductory video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJS3hoOAoZ6Ehck 🙂
@leomartihart3 күн бұрын
gracias por tu trabajo!!
@eie_for_you2 күн бұрын
You are very welcome! 🙂
@tinkerman95254 күн бұрын
For the first time I must disagree with you. The pigtails are part of the antenna. Put your 200 ohm dirctly on the balun and see what the swr are.
@eie_for_you4 күн бұрын
I can see your point. From my point of view, the antenna stops at its feedpoint. The question is ... what do we consider to be the feedpoint. In the end, in this sort of situation, what works ... works. If you watch the video on the folded dipole for 2 m where I take the 4:1 BALUN created here and use it with this antenna, it works. 🙂
@sampamnl.89644 күн бұрын
ขอบคุณมากครับกีบสาระดีๆ
@eie_for_you4 күн бұрын
You are very welcome! 🙂
@DanielDaniel-gh1uh4 күн бұрын
Very good teacher. Everything is easily understood. Thank you
@eie_for_you3 күн бұрын
Thank you! 🙂
@ruhnet4 күн бұрын
Fantastic video-this has been on my watch list since it was first posted and I just today had a chance to watch it. 😂 There are many ways to do this same measurement-one thing I really love about your videos is that the detail you go into somewhat forces understanding of the process, rather than just a repeatable fixed method. So with that knowledge the same or similar measurement could be performed using various different tools, like an oscilloscope rather than SA (with less frequency-specific accuracy), an attenuator rather than sampler, etc. 73 and God bless!
@eie_for_you4 күн бұрын
Well thank you very much! I had to say as I read your comment, "That is EXACTLY what I try to accomplish in my videos!" 73 and God bless you as well! 😁
@lumpyfishgravy4 күн бұрын
When putting two chokes in series, I'm interested what happens if you put two turns on just one of them. I would expect to see a better low frequency performance.
@eie_for_you4 күн бұрын
This sounds like a nice experiment to try! 🙂
@khalid267525 күн бұрын
Hello sir. If I want to learn this science, what is the field and major which explain this?
@eie_for_you4 күн бұрын
That would be Electrical Engineering with an emphasis in R.F. Engineering. 🙂
@khalid267524 күн бұрын
@eie_for_you Thats great Thank you
@alexanderbeliaev52445 күн бұрын
Absolutely outstanding! Incredible videos on circuit design.
@eie_for_you4 күн бұрын
Thank you! 🙂
@biffjones26015 күн бұрын
I really like your useful presentation, explanation, information, video and audio. Thank you.
@eie_for_you4 күн бұрын
Thank you so much ... and you are very welcome! 🙂
@lmwlmw44685 күн бұрын
Great video.
@eie_for_you5 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@garysewell54655 күн бұрын
Great 🙂
@eie_for_you5 күн бұрын
Thanks! 🙂
@wh0tube6 күн бұрын
Not The Fair-Right Company! 😁 Great video, very useful 👍 thank you 🙏
@eie_for_you5 күн бұрын
LOL! Thanks! 🙂
@OH8EFI6 күн бұрын
Thing that annoys me. Why on earth they won't mark down the mix in any ferrites??
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Now THAT is a good point! 🙂
@OH8EFI6 күн бұрын
@eie_for_you Before I saw this video, I had a bit of a problem of having cheapo snap ons and proper ones on the shelf. I gotta test this out. Oh, and same for toroids! Good luck trying to remember which ones were #43, #31 and #52 mixes! A bit of paint on the side wouldn't hurt on manufacturing side. Though, dumb user like me forgot to mark down what they were when I got them
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
@@OH8EFI A lot of toroids are, indeed, color coded ... if you can remember what the codes mean. At least you can group them by color! 😁 If I remember right, Amidon tells you what their color codes mean on their data sheets. 🙂
@x_CrossHair_x6 күн бұрын
Is there a way to determine the "Impedance" of an "EFHW" End Fed Half Wave - Long Wire antenna using a "Nano VNA" so that I can choose the correct ratio 1:1 / 4:1 / 9:1 / 49:1 or even perhaps a 64:1 UnUn Matching Transformer. so that I can be confident it is Matched to 50 Ohms for my Radio.
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Having no personal experience with End Fed Half Wave Antennas, I can only repeat what I've been told by those who have ... 9:1. 🙂
@galileo_rs13 сағат бұрын
Can you measure a piece of wire 1m long (EFHW for a 2M band)?
@eie_for_you12 сағат бұрын
@@galileo_rs First of all, I'm not sure if you are trying to measure its end-to-end response or its its swr or its impedance. Could you please be more clear in what you are trying to accomplish? Second, I do not do acronyms. I can only guess at a host of possible meanings which does not help in clear communication. 🙂
@galileo_rs12 сағат бұрын
@@eie_for_you It wasn't a question, it was a response to the previous question.
@eie_for_you12 сағат бұрын
@ Aaaaaaaahhhh! I missed that! When I click on the comment, it doesn't bring up what came before and it gives no indication to me that I have some context to consider. Sorry for the misunderstanding! The VNA needs both the signal and the return. A simple wire hanging out there without some sort of return path won't work. Your end fed half wave antenna also needs a "counterpoise" as I understand it. This functions as the "return path" for the feedline. So, if you have your antenna and its counterpoise connected to the nanoVNA, then it will, indeed, tell you what it sees. I hope this helps. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. 🙂
@fnordist6 күн бұрын
Just a little real-world experience with common mode suppression at high power levels: start with 3-4 ferrites at the beginning that only suppress a little, as they heat up less. Then use ones that suppress more effectively later on, since heat degrade their suppression, especially in the summer.
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
WOW! That is great advice! 🙂
@jmcexx6 күн бұрын
Nice video! Is there significance to the clip leads of your fixture being 90 degrees apart leaving the connectors? Or is that just describing what you did? Reduce magnetic coupling in the fixture?
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Thank you! It is to reduce the signal coupling for the isolation tests. Conductors at 90 degrees to each other have a lot harder time inducing signals in each other.🙂
@jmcexx6 күн бұрын
@@eie_for_you Thanks for the clarification. Seems like an important detail.
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
@@jmcexx You are welcome! 🙂
@a68k_de7 күн бұрын
lol wenn wieder einmal die Übersetzung des Titels und der Beschreibung vollkommen in die Hose geht...
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Gotta love those AI translations! LOL 🙂
@snikrepak7 күн бұрын
fantastic video! got my sdr and have been wondering about a few things like ghosting! thank you!
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm glad this video was helpful to you! You are very welcome. 🙂
@azarellediaz48927 күн бұрын
Great video and especially the table that I had never seen before, thanks. Can you tell what the numbers in the table mean?
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! Honestly, I'm not sure what the numbers actually mean. Sorry. 🙂
@AC7WH7 күн бұрын
Very informative and well-done video! Thank you so much for completing these tests and sharing your test results. Blessings to you and your family. ~ 73 ~ AC7WH - C.A.R.S.
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! It was most certainly a fun video to produce. Thank you for the blessing for me and my family! 🙂
@AC7WH6 күн бұрын
@@eie_for_you Excellent! And you're very welcome!
@eie_for_you5 күн бұрын
@ 🙂
@daveN2MXX7 күн бұрын
Excellent video. Compairing cheap amazon clip on ferrite devices to a larger piece of ferrite from fair-rite isn't really a fair comparison. You did a great job showing that the fair-rite device is superior, but amazon ferrites are a fraction of the cost....and if you don't need a tremendous amount of attenuation, then a few turns around the amazon clip on ferrites are probably good enough and will cost less.
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Thank you! I don't know if you noticed that I compared a similar size cheap Amazon tubular ferrite to a very generic box style to a genuine Fair-Rite box style. You are right, though, if you do not need a lot of attenuation, then the cheapies will work just fine. It is all about the application. Figure out what you need and select the ferrite that will do it for you. 🙂
@daveN2MXX6 күн бұрын
@eie_for_you thank you again for the excellent video!
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
@@daveN2MXX You are *very* welcome! 🙂
@kenmartin12117 күн бұрын
Interesting and helpful. Thank You
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
Thank you ... and you're welcome! 🙂
@arekx7 күн бұрын
Somehow I missed info about the cost... like if 3x beads cost more or less than 1x the other thing?
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Well ... the cost is very, very supplier specific. So, quoting costs wouldn't be too helpful here. Furthermore, there are a lot more factors involved than just cost ... like space considerations and dissipation factors and more. This is why you have to do your homework. 🙂
@jeffreyyoung41047 күн бұрын
Excellent video! Black ceramic can be made with any kind of junk, and the people who sell them are only after your money, with the least amount of outlay on their part. And you have no way of telling from any of their ads if they are worth anything until you buy them and try them...
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thank you! And you are right ... that is why it is so important to go to a known good supplier like Fair-Rite. 🙂
@brunonikodemski24207 күн бұрын
Per the comments, you get what you actually should be buying. Ferrites come in all sorts of dissipation ranges and losses. Some are virtually lossless and we used these in HF transformers. The FairRite company catalog is a very good reference source for the actual specs. We did EMI/EMC engineering with these types of things, and they are often ineffective on cables, since that depends on placement. EMI is a common problem now from spread spectrum computer power suppies, and one bead is not going to add much to attenuating the noise level. The cable lengths act as antennas at specific resonant frequencies, so unless you emplace different freq-ranges of ferrites, you won't get much attenuation over a large band. As per the video, the "longer the bead" the better the attentuation. An actual pipe would be the best.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
When many people look at all of these specifications, their eyes glaze over, not sure what it all means. This is why, in the end, if we are not sure what we are looking at when we look at the catalog, their is always customer support. 🙂
@Notmy000007 күн бұрын
🙏🙏🙏🙏from 🇳🇱NL
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thanks! 🙂
@ehsnils7 күн бұрын
Good idea. It did look like the wire wasn't insulated and I'd probably like to run an insulated wire just to make this more realistic. I have purchased my ferrites from a source I think is having a decent assortment. I did pick them based on the quality impression they gave and not on what they stated on ebay or some other grey web trading site like the jungle site. (Robot Cantina name for a well known site)
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Yep, the wire isn't insulated as I stated in the video. I'm glad you found a good source of ferrites. 🙂
@Grassland-Outpost7 күн бұрын
But, but … mix 31 clip-ons are expensive. :-). Great video, I’ve wondered about how to easily test them.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Yeah ... they aren't always a cheap as we would like, but if we want to get the job done, we have to pay the price, eh? I'm glad that you found the video helpful. 🙂
@WECB6407 күн бұрын
Whenever I see that Ralph has posted a new video, I stop whatever I'm doing, sit down and pay attention. There is always so much to learn and his videos are consistently exceptional. 73 OM 👍
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thanks! That is very encouraging. 🙂
@marcfruchtman94737 күн бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for the video.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thank you ... and you are very welcome! 🙂
@StephanLuik17 күн бұрын
If you need clip-on ferrites to solve a problem, then the circuit design is bad.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
True that! But we often have no choice but to accept the shortcomings of other people's designs. Thus, we are stuck with clip on ferrites. 🙂
@Conjugate-Match7 күн бұрын
Ralph, I'm sure you know this already, but I'll state it for the benefit of your audience. 3 turns of a wire through a single ferrite would be MUCH more effective than a single wire passing through 3 ferrites. If you're shopping, buy larger diameter ferrites and wind your wire/coax through as many time as it will fit, I recommend a minimum of 3 turns for good attenuation. Type 31 and/or 43 are great for common mode or noise attenuation in the ham bands. I really like your testing jig, and will make one. The multi-turn effect could be easily demonstrated using it. Thanks for your very informative channel. I enjoy one or more of your vids just about every day.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
There ye go! Each additional turn adds some benefit. But, it is the law of diminishing returns, as I show in the video. Yes, each additional turn adds more benefit, but less than the previously added turn. 🙂
@echadmiyodea7 күн бұрын
When you say "turns" you mean winding the wire through the hole and around the outside of the body of the ferrite, as in repeating loops through the ferrite?
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
@@echadmiyodea Each pass through the ferrite is a "turn." The key is that the wire passes *through* the ferrite. Having it beside the ferrite, on the outside, doesn't count. 🙂
@lumpyfishgravy4 күн бұрын
Up to a point. Inter-turn capacitance (mutual inductance in the case of shielded cable) will affect the higher frequency performance. But if you cascade one single turn and one multi-turn, perhaps you get the best of both worlds. I don't have the kit to measure that, unfortunately.
@eie_for_you4 күн бұрын
@@lumpyfishgravy Well ... sounds like the voice of a truly inquisitive experimenter to me! 🙂
@EI6DP7 күн бұрын
Very interesting.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thanks! 🙂
@johnclements34417 күн бұрын
Excellent! Never thought of putting one on a VNA but makes sense why my cheap Amazon ones provided little real value.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thank you! 🙂
@peterdambier7 күн бұрын
Very helpful. I am experimenting with Flowerpot Antennas for 2m and 70cm and for digital vhf radio. I guess they will do the job but they are not great. Cherio, Peter DL2FBA
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Cool! 🙂
@Electrotech19807 күн бұрын
Great job, thanks.I had a problem with my washing machine on 80m. I purchased from Mouser 2 clip-on ferrite beads that worked best at low frequencies. The idea was that I was able to look at the datasheets with curves. I then clipped them on the power cord of the washing machine, with 2 wraps each. It worked. Buying a known ferrite is the best!
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
I LOVE the success stories! 🙂 I wish I could put a ferrite on the entire city of Dubuque! We have an S7 to S9 noise level here and it is guys to the south of the city and guys to the north all have the same issue. I've turned off my own main breaker and ran my radio off battery ... no difference. 😞
@arnoldgrubbs20057 күн бұрын
@@eie_for_you I know of what you speak! Keep after it, you will find what it is eventually! I have had s7-s9 noise here in my town, which is power line induced. It changes with weather, and seems to follow a HV feeder that passes my house about 300 ft to the east of my house . 4 or 5 blocks on either side of the line, the noise tapers off. It also reduced a lot last spring, but it seems to be coming back. Interesting thing, I had the power line drop coming to the house from the alley put underground (at my own expense) to give me more room for antenna construction, and while that was in process I noticed my neighbor had his power drop from the pole to the house and it was rubbing on a large tree limb. I noticed also that someone (doubt it was the utilities people) had wrapped what looked like part of a rubber door mat around where it contacted the tree and secured it with zip ties. So, I will be looking at this a little closer when the weather warms up this spring! I suspect that there was or is still leakage to the tree when the tree is moving in the wind, and it makes its way back to the feeder by the transformer in the alley passing the noise to the primary side. It then radiates out from that line which runs to a much larger substation 5-6 blocks north of me. 73 and good hunting!
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
@@arnoldgrubbs2005 I hope to do a mobile search with my RF Explorer and a portable antenna....sometime! 🙂
@audiobrian1Күн бұрын
@Electrotech1980 can you share a link for the Mouser beads that you selected and successfully tested, please?
@eie_for_youКүн бұрын
@ Yes, please share your discoveries. 🙂
@GworxOz39537 күн бұрын
Please keep your silly bible bashing to yourself.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
🙂
@shagitup7 күн бұрын
Ralph, the best explanation on the nano VNA ever. Period.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for the encouragement! I am so glad that this video was a blessing to you. 🙂
@TH-12077 күн бұрын
I don't recall you mentioning anything about the ferrite material. That makes a big difference too. A question how much difference does the split core make. They are convenient but at what price to performance?
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
I did, indeed, make a note to pick the right material for the job. Good point about the split core. I would assume that the split core is a compromise for the convenience of being a clip on. I'm not sure how much that affects overall performance. 🙂
@OH8EFI6 күн бұрын
I think material is the same thing as "mix" or..?
@eie_for_you6 күн бұрын
@@OH8EFI As I understand it ... yes. 🙂
@qutips338 күн бұрын
hi thanks for the info. i have a question for you is it possible to use rig ekspert stick 500 to measure db deping through ferrite cores ?????
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
You need a 2 port measuring device to do this measurement. The Stick 500 is a single port device; it measures things like SWR, return loss, impedance, and the like. It cannot measure things like filter frequency response. This ferrite business is, in essence, a frequency response-type test. 🙂
@SkyhawkSteve8 күн бұрын
VNAs are great tools, and the availability of the inexpensive ones is great for the hobbyist. As for ferrites, I spent a lot of time working on EMC problems, and a selection of clip-on ferrites is very handy. Our lab used Fair-rite ferrites mostly. You do need to select the correct material for the frequency range of interest, and you should select the ferrite that fits snugly around the cable. The impedance of the ferrite will be reduced when there is a gap. As you note, you do need to read the data sheet and understand it. Measuring the ferrite is useful, but be aware that they usually have a large tolerance. I recall that a tolerance of 25% was pretty typical. It's more useful to just buy a good ferrite from Fair-rite or Wurth or other reputable supplier.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thank you for the great advise! I cannot agree with you more. 🙂
@TrygveMedhus8 күн бұрын
Exelent! But stop promoting your fantasy figure. It's just annoying.
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad that you found the video helpful. I'm not sure I know what you mean by promoting my "fantasy figure." 🙂
@hankhamner36717 күн бұрын
This is a dumb comment. The presenter did a great job!
@eie_for_you7 күн бұрын
@@hankhamner3671 🙂
@railgap7 күн бұрын
I think you commented on the wrong video or something.