Sadie, can you compare direct and indirect painting with Alla Prima.
@SadieValeriAtelier3 сағат бұрын
Good question! This answer is from the FAQ on my website: Q. What is the difference between Direct, Indirect, and Alla Prima painting methods? One way to understand the distinction is to think of making a painting in 6 hours (Alla Prima), 6 days (Direct method), or 6 weeks (Indirect method). In this program (www.sadievaleriatelier.com) we use the term Alla Prima only for a painting completed strictly all in one session, with no touch-ups after the paint has dried. We use Direct to as a relative term, referring to a painting created in just a few sessions, with only two to five layers. Alla Prima and Direct methods are generally done on a textured support, like canvas or linen, to better grip the wet paint and emphasize texture and brushstrokes. We reserve the term Indirect for a highly refined method of creating a painting on a smooth wood panel over the course of many weeks, with as many as 20 layers. The smooth surface allows for a finer level of detail, minimizing brushstrokes and texture.
@user-eu5re5kw9g11 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the video! I have a question in mind, i see many artists making a square on their object or subject.Does this help me get an idea of how big it should be or maybe its because viewfinder?
@SadieValeriAtelier3 сағат бұрын
I have not found drawing a square [or more commonly, a rectangle] around your subject to be helpful. It makes you "stuck" on the aspect ratio you guessed first, and it's usually wrong, so you end up forcing your drawing to conform to your first, incorrect guess. Better to mark just one dimension - top and bottom, or left and right, whichever is longer, and then allow the other dimension to stay flexible until you have drawn more information.
@teporeliot2 күн бұрын
Love your teaching. Thank you. I'm a newbie and I'm going to attempt to shade a sphere. How long should it take me? I have no clue and would benefit from a reasonable expectation. Thanks.
@SadieValeriAtelier12 сағат бұрын
@@teporeliot If it's about 2.5 inches in diameter, it should take about 6 hours to complete accurately. You probably won't be able to do it that slow your first time, just go as slow as you can!
@teporeliotСағат бұрын
Thank you very much.
@grufflegirl78414 күн бұрын
How do you get the pencil tip to look like that? Did you use a knife to sharpen it?
@SadieValeriAtelier12 сағат бұрын
@@grufflegirl7841 I have a video on my channel showing how I sharpen, let me know if you need help finding it, should be near the top of my videos!
@maitev-p95828 күн бұрын
Wow! Love the way you describe the ways to learn to exercise art!!! So deep and alluring ❤
@SadieValeriAtelier12 сағат бұрын
@@maitev-p9582 Thank you, it's a deeply emotional process for me 💗
@cuetka10 күн бұрын
Hi, Is it appropriate to use walnut oil for this technique ?..referring that linseed oil yellows and affects light colors
@SadieValeriAtelier12 сағат бұрын
@@cuetka I don't like walnut oil because it takes too long to dry, and it does not make as strong a film as linseed. Linseed oil based paintings have lasted 500 years, not so for walnut oil. Linseed oil only yellows if the final painting is left in the dark. Even then, if you expose it to light, it will lighten again.
@HazyKilla28 күн бұрын
I purchased your course but can’t find the second part of your video.. help. I really need to improve my sphere shading
Yeah that’s a lot of shading and it looks just like the drapery hanging there!😊
@abrahamgarcia8739Ай бұрын
May I ask, what pencil are you using?
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
@@abrahamgarcia8739 This is a pastel pencil, the brand is Fabre-Castel Pitt Pastel. You can see all the materials I use on this page, the Pitt Pastel pencils are listed on my Charcoal list here: www.sadievaleriatelier.com/materials-lists
@abrahamgarcia8739Ай бұрын
@@SadieValeriAtelier thank you so much!
@UnseenWorldITC2 ай бұрын
I see your using stedler pencils for shading but what is the pencil applying the dark tone? Great work
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Tombow Mono brand pencils. My full materials list is in the description beneath the video.
@UnseenWorldITC2 ай бұрын
Can I ask which pencils you use?
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
All my materials are listed on this page, in the graphite list: www.sadievaleriatelier.com/materials-lists
@AnnaPoli8002 ай бұрын
I love your drawings!!!!! What pencils do you like to use?
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you! All my materials are listed on this page, in the graphite list: www.sadievaleriatelier.com/materials-lists
@WendyWisemanFisher2 ай бұрын
Sadie - I'm a brand new student at your atelier and I have to say it's really cool to connect with your ways of thinking about things. I love your perspective. It's nice to work on assignments for your Classical Sketchbook class while I'm listening to this podcast. =)
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you for commenting, glad you enjoyed it!
@victorefrenmendozagomez79362 ай бұрын
Maravilloso
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you!
@puurfectlysplendid2 ай бұрын
What brushes do you use? Sorry if you're talking about that already somewhere on your social media.
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
All my materials are listed in detail on this page: www.sadievaleriatelier.com/materials-lists
@puurfectlysplendidАй бұрын
@@SadieValeriAtelier Thank you! My dream is to join your online atelier. I'm trying hard to save money at the moment. I love your work ♡
@yoelbeche62133 ай бұрын
The 'H' pencils are useful when it comes to adding details and a slight and subtle tones. Btw,amazing drawing!!
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you!
@lindabay14913 ай бұрын
Do you have a Bougereau master copy course on your website? I looked but did not see one. When you do, I will sign up in a heartbeat.
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Not yet.
@campfirecult43753 ай бұрын
Excellent mastercopy, thank you for the demonstration 🔥
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you!
@anonymousano34303 ай бұрын
The values are not good. Especially the shadow areas under the eyes and the shadow areas of her left cheek.
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Haven't seen anyone copy this one better than I did here, especially as a single-session alla prima, but have at it, let's see how you do :)
@Sephylis-tl4ll25 күн бұрын
He's not entirely wrong, although it could have been worded better. Your values are a tad darker than the original and if my observation is on point, you seem to have used a slightly more orange-ish red tone instead of a orange-ish yellow? I could be wrong so you can correct me on that! Either way, your copy is still gorgeous nonetheless! I hope to reach that level someday!
@SadieValeriAtelier12 сағат бұрын
@@Sephylis-tl4ll I'm using Boug's pigments. There is a lot of variation in different ochres and umbers, they are dug out of the ground, not created in a lab. It would be easy to mix modern colors together to match the colors exactly, but Boug is using single-pigment colors and my goal is to follow his process. I don't copy masters just to make an exact replica of their final painting, I copy so I can learn from their methods and materials and process. The way to make an exact copy would be to mix up color swatches in advance and grid up/trace the outlines. But that's just copying a painting. I copy so I get better as a painter and I can learn and apply the method for all my future paintings.
@SadieValeriAtelier12 сағат бұрын
@@Sephylis-tl4ll Here's my blog post listing the pigments: www.sadievaleriatelier.com/post/master-copy-bouguereau-s-sketch-of-a-young-woman
@Sephylis-tl4ll12 сағат бұрын
@@SadieValeriAtelier I see! I never heard of Boug before! I'll have to check it out! Shows that I have a lot more of grinding to do during my own art journey! Thank you!
@IykizDesign3 ай бұрын
Now that’s just awesome!!!
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you!
@theamericanpassion48334 ай бұрын
This is what great artists draw
@zahzahzee4 ай бұрын
@29:22 That's exactly it. When it's ai, you don't have to be responsible
@zahzahzee4 ай бұрын
This ep was so fun. Related tangent: when I was 16, I told myself I was going to be the kind of person who regularly watched the price of gold on the morning news. Haven't done it once as an adult
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks!
@user-te2gd5kg5x4 ай бұрын
👍
@jx0uax0xn4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@dorinases4 ай бұрын
Very beautiful !
@alionaprice16035 ай бұрын
❤
@amysbees66865 ай бұрын
STUNNING! What a few brush strokes of lead white can do! The eyes do all the rest!💝
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you!
@lillitheflower25715 ай бұрын
How do you use pastel pencils? I tried using mine and all they did was make indents in the paper :(
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Might depend on the brand? Also the paper. The materials I use are in my "chalk and charcoal" list on this page: www.sadievaleriatelier.com/materials-lists
@romulusbuta93185 ай бұрын
Good skils in drawing 👏....but , to really copy a Rubens....you must have the right paintig mediums.....He uses transparent and semi transparent colors over opaque bases = preparated panel and first layer of human skin represented .....For opaque oil layers he use only oil to mixt with pigments... For transparent layers he uses HIS MAGIC MEDIUM 😊...that allowes the colors to fix quickly ... AND HIS HUGE TALENT, BEST SKILS,.. He did not mixed 3 or 4 tube colors to find the right tone, little by little adding the white ... as You did....but he used OPTICAL MIXING with diferent layers of transparent ,translucent oil colors... The secret is his medium , his working oil
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
I teach the exact technique you describe in my Glazing and Scumbling course: sadievaleriatelier.net/courses/glazing-and-scumbling/
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Except for the "magic medium'". My blog post on mediums is here: www.sadievaleriatelier.com/post/master-your-mediums-a-guide-for-oil-painters
@romulusbuta93185 ай бұрын
Baroque painting : transparent shadows and more thick opaque light
@annespellberg71735 ай бұрын
Why is this called pineapple time. Are you swingers or something? It makes me very uncomfortable.
@SadieValeriAtelier11 сағат бұрын
Ha!! No! We explain it in the first episode, it's just a phrase we use to say "stop talking to me, I need some quiet time".
@winklerdraws5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video, VERY helpful.
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@denisegrossman38405 ай бұрын
Stunning , beautiful!
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you so much!
@KnittingbyPhrancko6 ай бұрын
What an interesting discussion! Your final subject has motivated me to send out a newsletter since I haven't done that in over a year.
@robinmorgan27136 ай бұрын
Absolutely spot on about groups. Near impossible to have a constructive conversation, which for me is 90% of the point of being in a group...to learn.
@ArtOfSoulburn6 ай бұрын
Love this discussion. I'm sure you've heard of "Enshittification" (the wikipedia page on it is especially illuminating), I love how you go through basically every single platform over the years, explain what was great about it, then explain how it got "Enshittified", and then how the audience moved over to the next platform, and the cycle repeats. A few notes about artstation. So artstation is mostly for concept art and production art for the entertainment field (primarily films and videogames). There are some fine artists, but very few. However, a few years ago the platform got sold, and since then there has been a really big push towards AI, including a ton of AI generated products in the marketplace, a bunch of AI in the posts, and very little to protect their large database of imagery from being scrapped and put into datasets. So basically it has trapped its user base, since there really isn't another game in town, but its being used far less than it used to be. The audience I suspect would love to jump to a new platform, at least for a few years until that platform gets ruined. I feel like we're all running away from a giant fire that follows us and burns down each new town we escape to. We run to a new town, but the fire keeps following us, destroying everything in its path.
@NowellValeri6 ай бұрын
Wow! Thanks for the input, sir! I was wondering about ArtStation. There were several speakers at Unreal Fest last year that were straight up endorsing ArtStation as a great place to share content. I made a profile just to put a link to my short on there but I'm definitely glad to not have invested much time in it! It definitely feels like there's a desire for a place for people to post their stuff, but I think the overhead cost of hosting all the stuff and running the service is so high they're all trying to monetize and that effectively ruins the platform. Our site had to shift to Amazon Web Services to host our students' uploaded images because they were bottoming out our server space. It's a much better solution for us but I can't even imagine what server space looks like cost-wise for ArtStation, Spotify, Instagram... I think the solution is to pass the hosting cost onto the person posting the work but that doesn't seem to be part of the conversation just yet.
@christineh88126 ай бұрын
I really appreciate this content and enjoy your conversational style . Many thanks 😊
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Glad you enjoy it, thanks for your comment!
@christopherstottart6 ай бұрын
This is a great discussion - I appreciate this so much. I am the same age as the two of you, and my experiences and history with social media and the internet almost exactly correlate with yours.
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
Thank you!
@paullambert81546 ай бұрын
What kind of chalk are you using, what is the difference between chalk and marble dust? There is a lot of different chalk out there.
@romulusbuta93185 ай бұрын
Don't be chep : BUY PROFESIONAL PRODUCTS......Natural Pigments sels good products
@SadieValeriAtelierАй бұрын
All the materials I use and why I use them are listed in my blog post on mediums here: www.sadievaleriatelier.com/post/master-your-mediums-a-guide-for-oil-painters
@nerrorr60336 ай бұрын
Jacked calves from San Fran walking.. or more like hiking lol
@geezeressa6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. My first studio was literally a closet that was big enough for a drawing board. Now I'm in half of a one car garage, about 120 sq ft that I share with three tables and a big flat file. There's barely enough room to turn around and the lighting is south light w a skylight, so I'm always fighting the light. It's freezing in the winter and boiling in the summer.Hoping to move to a quiet, big space with beautiful north light...someday!
@SadieValeriAtelier6 ай бұрын
South light is tough! If you want some advice, I've found it helps to hang a sheer white curtain over it to at least diffuse the harsh sunbeams.
@nean123507 ай бұрын
Great discussion on studio spaces. Having a "room of one's own". is absolutely essential. I liked the notion of setting and addressing subject matter in limitations. Having a set plan is helpful. Good luck to you both in the coming year.
@SadieValeriAtelier7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I think we could do a whole episode on creative constraints.
@thedocshlaett59607 ай бұрын
EXTREMELY grateful for your videos. I’ve learned way more from artists like you on KZbin than I have/do in college.
@SadieValeriAtelier6 ай бұрын
Thanks for listening! We're happy to share our experiences, glad you are finding it helpful!
@tanyastovold7 ай бұрын
I related to so much in this episode! I would be very interested in your thoughts on student vs professional art works, and how to make the transition. Thank you both!
@SadieValeriAtelier6 ай бұрын
That's a great topic idea, thanks!
@John-mz8rj7 ай бұрын
Ok
@danielmorris66757 ай бұрын
I wanted to make an observation on what I see as one difference between art and music. It’s not a big thing, but is still curious to me. That is, why do a number of artists (not all of course) make an effort to log the number of hours it takes to complete a painting (1 hour, 5 hours, 10 hours, 50 hours, etc etc)? They would say “it took me x number of hours to do this painting.” And, I feel, that when I make art, I too often log hours on a single piece. However, it seems that musicians do this “hour logging” far less (maybe they do for practice sessions, but far less for a complete piece of music). For example, if a musician was learning a new piece of music or song, it might take the person 1-2 months (or more)to get it to a level they feel satisfied with. It, might then take them say 60+ hours to get it to a nice level. That might be comparable to many more finished paintings. But, you don’t see them relating to others the number of hours it took to get there. It could be because music is less “tangible”, in the sense that you are not creating a physical object, as is a painting. So, maybe because you could always endlessly improve your musical interpretation of any given song or piece, logging hours might have less value (maybe a recording session is different) for a musician. Of course, a painting could always be improved too, but artists will stop (usually) at some point with the work, and move on to the next one. It seems that music has far less of a “it is finished” aspect, compared to drawing and painting, as if it could almost go on forever. Any thoughts on this difference?
@SadieValeriAtelier6 ай бұрын
Great observations! Nowell and I have been talking about your comment, we might do a whole episode devoted to the idea of creation time in visual art vs music!
@danielmorris66756 ай бұрын
I have come up with one potential answer (does not totally answer the question though): with regards to realistic art, to make something look “real” (with form, 3-dimensionally), I think artists know that for the objects in their work to really have that nice sense of form, it takes (x) number of hours to get there. So perhaps on a decent size piece, they know that if it takes 60-80 hours to get their objects (or humans) to have that sense of dimensionality, then they know it takes a minimum of (say 60 hours, as a random number) time to get there. So, logging hours might be like a way of getting a solid sense in their minds of having the destination in sight, like knowing the finish line of a marathon. A marathon runner, in the same way, has an objective endpoint, that roughly 25 miles that is the finish line. Artists (representational ones at least) have a similar end target, and logging hours might show them where exactly in the marathon they are, and so acts as a way to pace themselves. (However, the more impressionistic or abstract one gets, this analogy I think breaks down a bit, as it gets more subjective). Musicians, by contract, I don’t think have such an objective benchmark. Yes, getting the correct notes with good intonation and good tempo could be seen as objective benchmarks, but to make a piece or song “beautiful” seems far more subjective than making your painting or drawing “look like the thing.” So maybe THAT is why artists log hours. But then again, the answer could also be somewhere else. But, I enjoy thinking about these things, as I love both art and music! Daniel
@geezeressa7 ай бұрын
Great first episode. I've been a working artist for 30 years and almost everything you mentioned rang true. I also loved that same scene in "Girl With the Pearl Earring", Colin Firth as Vermeer showing Scarlett Johansson how to grind paint.