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Loot boxes?

@@DivineErdrick Among other things. I know I won't be able to help myself. :)

Thank you for your comments! I actually use a loose script when I record. But I use to run through my rants really fast. I think I might have started overcompensating.

Cool! I never noticed that! I'm glad you added that. With the current Epilogues, I've been thinking of what AltCalliope does here again. New information is definitely welcome!

Thank you! We aren't the only ones fortunately urging people to be sane about this. I'm still seeing a lot of overreaction, but a lot of it has died down now. I think the announcement of the new project by What Pumpkin really helped cool the flames.

They made a book... I must have them all...

The credits have added a lot of new things to the discussion. I don't know if the image you can see when you look carefully at the black whole is a dream bubble or not, but I have a feeling we have more yet to come.

I wonder if Hiveswap will add to the story at all. It's in the same (multi?)universe as Homestuck.

I personally like the theory that they are teleported to Earth C. They live on earth for "4 years" (You got Dave and his time shenanigans). One of the biggest things not truely explained was when John RetConned to fight Caliborn. In the Credits, John becomes depressed and near the end. Caliborn threatens John with Liz. I believe this is where the Beta Heroes go to Caliborn, and thus filling the Caliborn's plot hole.

AH really likes his symbolism.

Would you be ok to explain this theory or at least summarize it, please ? I just need anything to cling onto the hope that my favorite characters (the dancestors) aren't doomed...

Thank you very much. I'm definitely not the the best person to ask when it comes to crafting the theories, but I've read through and researched enough that I'm good for some fact checking.

And Karkat has officially chipped in on his interpretation of events. Couldn't have asked for anything more.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I KNOW I'M AMAZING.

That's an awesome deduction!

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This is one of the things left untold by this ending, and I'm hoping it will be addressed in the epilogue. After all this would make for great epilogue material. If the kids are immortal gods, how is that going to affect their place in their new universe? Karkat seemed to believe that after they entered the Beta Kid's universe, they'd be able to rule over it. But he's not exactly the most reliable narrator. One theory suggests that now they'll be beyond the reach of the Judgement Clock. But what that means, no one actually knows. It could remove their immortality, it could make them truly immortal. Probably the greatest area of exploration though, is if the kids are immortal, what does that mean for their friends? Can Jane extend their life the way the Condesce extended the Psiioniics? What would that mean for the society? Jane can't possibly extend the life of all the carapacians and consorts. What happens when the human population starts to grow? The trolls'? Who gets to have such a gift? What about the new mother grub? Could Jane possibly keep it alive indefinitely? But what if Jane can't? How long can Karkat live with his mutant blood? How long will Kanaya live as a Rainbow Drinker? Will Calliope stay alive as long as she has the ring? How long do carapacians live? Who will have to watch their closest friends and loved ones die, and when? The main story of Homestuck may be over, but there's still plenty of universe left to explore.

There are many theories on how Caliborn's Masterpiece fits into Act 7. Obviously the Caliborn portions are him achieving his full power prior to actually becoming Lord English. But as I say in the video, the appearance of the kids in Caliborn's Masterpiece is clearly due to John's retcon powers. Some people have speculated that after winning the game, John and the other God Tiers go back to fight Caliborn. My belief is that our unaccounted for John from this page, www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=009071 , is the John that goes to fight Caliborn in the Masterpiece with the God Tiers.

Hmm! This is actually really interesting. I heard a rumor that Hussie had mentioned a second ending to Homestuck. I haven't been able to verify this, but wouldn't that make this the ultimate psyche out Hussie ever pulled. Not really sure the fandom would forgive him though; that would have to be one heck of a final fight scene. I've heard lots of explanations for the white Sburb symbol at the end, from the more meta theories, to the simple idea that white is the combined colors of all the sessions present (Blue/Violet for the trolls, Green for the Beta Kids, Red for the Alpha Kids.). I still think that the combination of the Thank You For Playing sequence and the final gate fading out means that the kids successfully entered the new universe. But this still makes for very ripe ground to explore.

There are at least two more projects I know of where the fandom is working on an Act 8 for Homestuck. Considering there are still lots of things I'd like to see that aren't necessary to the main story, I'm curious to see where these projects go. Stories about the sprites, the four trapped kids actually joining the fight with Lord English, and some stories surrounding what happens when the kids enter the new universe would be wonderful. Personally though, I think that any such project should wait until after the Epilogue, as this may create canon situations that the fandom wants to see. As to goals to rewrite the ending, I would have to solidly group those as an AU. After rereading the entire comic from beginning to end, I feel this ending truly is the ending to Homestuck. There is still room for Epilogue content, obviously. But this is the ending to the story Andrew Hussie wrote. Whenever fans step in to "fix" a project, you always run the risk that the project will end up including more fanon then canon, causing the "fixed" ending to not fit the story and character at all. You may not like this ending, but trust me, it can get much worse! Don't believe me? Watch the original Evangelion series and then watch the two original Evangelion movies. Anno intentionally added all of the fan desires he could into the End of Evangelion, in as horrible a way as he possibly could. The result is you go from a relatively happy ending to one of the most depressing, emotionally draining, and psyche destroying experiences in anime. Fan desires =/= better story.

So first of all, I will continue to say that if you don't like the ending, that is fine. This was a long, sometimes arduous story that we all got very invested in. It's almost going to go without saying that the conclusion to such a story is not going to satisfy a lot of people. There are also certainly some plot threads left hanging. To some people, those hanging threads are always going to nag at them. My personal bugbear remains the sprites to this day. There is information in the comic to make a guess as to what happens to them, but I really wanted to know. The fact that they are absent bothers me. On the other hand, I don't need to see the full loop for how Liv/Terri got their weapons. Calliope said she took care of it, and that's good enough for me. But I disagree with many of your assertions. There are plenty of people who understand the ending. By your logic does that mean that no threads were left hanging? Some of them? Are the percentage of threads left hanging equal to the percentage of fans who don't understand the ending? Whether a plot thread is hanging has nothing to do with who understands the ending. In fact, it has nothing to do with the ending at all. It is perfectly acceptable to end a plot thread well before the ending to a story. It is also not true that a plot thread is left hanging because the story is made in a puzzling manner. If a plot thread is resolved, the plot thread is resolved. It doesn't matter if a clear linear path exists to follow the thread, or if you have to untangle it to see where it headed. And your metaphor doesn't really work here. You can look at an unfinished puzzle and say, "done" because the puzzle only has one outcome. But this isn't satisfying. Just because you can see the outcome of the puzzle on the box, doesn't mean that the puzzle isn't satisfying. The point of a puzzle isn't the solution, it's putting it together. Again, some people like puzzles, others see them as a waste of time. If you don't like puzzles that's fine. But Homestuck has never pretended to be anything else. It has never at any point said, "Hey, I've got a clear linear story for you with easy to follow plots to its ending." It's always been presented in a puzzling manner with pieces often not making any sense to how they could fit until further on in the story. I, and many others, feel that now we have all the pieces the puzzle comes together in a mostly satisfying way. (Again, the sprites!) And again you say there are hundreds of hanging threads but you don't list any. And, no, the lack of climax is not a hanging plot thread. First, that's story structure, not plot thread. Second, we got one. It was called Collide. It was always Collide. It was always meant to be Collide. Hussie told us that the climax would be in Act 6 years ago. He also told us Act 7 would be denouement, especially seeing as how once you've done the climax that's all that's left. Again, if you don't like the ending that's fine. I just personally don't understand why so many people are angry about things that are characteristic of Homestuck, and mad at Hussie for writing the comic the way he always has and doing what he said he would all along.

He didn't write it the way he always has. That is very much the problem. Homestuck always went into excruciating detail about everything. The fact that we got a vague nebulous sort-of almost ending as a resolution to a story which has always been high-detail is a very big part of the reason I hated it. Also, Act 6 can't have been the climax because Act 6 didn't resolve anything.

I'm sorry but I can't agree with either of these statements. Hussie has been vague plenty of times in the past. He does not always go to excruciating detail about everything. Long winded dialogues and the occasional info dumps do not mean excruciating detail. Here are some examples: Before Cascade, Nana is on the battlefield. When did she get there and what happened to John's amulet after it sunk into the oil? How did Bro die and Davesprite lose his wing? We know it must have been in the fight with Jack, but we don't see it. And, my personal favorite, how did the trolls win their game? This was left so open to the imagination that fans actually got together and animated their own version. That's just off the top of my head. And all of this happened in Act V, when everyone claims Homestuck was at it's best. The ending to Homestuck is not any more vague or nebulous then the rest of it. And again, every choice he made for how he brought Homestuck to an end, he told us about ahead of time. And I will continue to insist he brought it to an end. We see the birth of the new universe. We see the end of Paradox space. We see the kids claim their reward. We even see Caliborn beat his session. Hell we see the construction of can town! And yes, we see Lord English defeated: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYHcfJSYbcijg7s . That's an ending. All the important things that needed to happen, happened. As for your last statement, I'll just remind you of two things. One, resolution and climax are two different parts of story structure. Two, Act 6 resolved plenty. Just in Collide we have the defeat of the Condesce and Jack English, Jake finally achieving a victory, PM defeating Jack and securing his ring, Dirk finally giving up control, Dave finally accepting his role as hero, and Karkat beating an impossible foe. Oh, and just for the icing on the cake, WV reunites with Serenity. All of this is in addition to things that were wrapped up prior to Collide.

Being able to name a whole bunch of things that happened doesn't mean anything was resolved. The video link you offer has a whole bunch of "we're supposed to infer" in it. "We're supposed to infer" isn't part of the story. "We're supposed to infer" is the puzzle. "We're supposed to infer" is where you get to dig down into details and learn something about the characters. But it isn't story! This is the point I made in my first post. Despite all of the meta aspects of Homestuck, it's still a story and is still subject to the actual rules of storytelling. You can give credit all you want to Hussy for supposedly putting enough detail into the ending for people to figure out what happened, but that doesn't mean any of what people figured out is actually part of the story. Bro's death is a good example. Bro's death scene isn't in Homestuck. It literally is not in the story. But if I ask you what part of the story Bro's death scene would have contributed to, there isn't a good answer, because it actually doesn't matter that much how he died. I'd have liked to have the opportunity to see it, but it isn't important to the story. The fight with Lord English, on the other hand, is *absolutely* important to the story. It's the capstone of the actual largest arc in all of Homestuck. Missing that and leaving it for people to infer is not okay. There are plenty of people out there who have told me "but the detail is all there if you just digest everything in the video and figure it out" but that is NOT the point of a story. digesting everything in the video and figuring stuff out is fun and a big part of Homestuck, but it doesn't excuse a writer from the need to actually include all the elements of the actual story into the narrative. Cascade is a great example of putting in a huge amount of detail to digest while still actually following story structure. Act 7 had even more detail, but it failed at actually following story structure.

I'm sorry but we're going to have to just agree to disagree here. You keep complaining about people saying you have to read in more, infer things, digest things, and claim that those things mean that there is no story/ending/structure. But that is simply not true. You are always reading in more when you read a story. You are always inferring when you read a story. You are always digesting more than the literal words when you read a story. The question is, how much? If you feel Homestuck's ending requires too much inference, reading in, or having to digest too much meaning, that's fine. But that does not mean the meaning isn't there. That does not mean the story isn't there. No matter how much you reiterate it, it's still a non sequitur. For readers like myself, the amount of analysis we've put into Homestuck is satisfactory. Hell, some of us found Homestuck more enjoyable because of that analysis. You obviously don't like how much Hussie asked of your ability to interpret his story. I obviously did. We are literally arguing taste at this point, and that's a gap that can't be bridged.

This is something that has bugged many people. There is however a possible interpretation that keeps Terezi in the Happy Ending. At the very end of the scene, the shot begins looking at the Light of Democracy over some type of government building or courthouse. The light, however, looks strangely like the Mind symbol. What are the odds Terezi is busy with some real court block theatrics?

yes I agree. Claiborn/LE ultimately failed when he prioritized power and destruction. also its funny to imagen the beta and alpha kids thinking of Claiborn's masterpiece as just a chore they have to do to clean up the timeline, because sure, it helps/helped LE, but they know his path just ends in his destruction anyway.

+PointBlank303 I think we all wanted that. I know that in the long run it might not be important to the story. But think of how satisfying an end we got for Lord Jack and The Condesce. Why couldn't we have that for Bec Noir and Lord English?

+mahmud ghdamsi I definitely agree with this. I have a theory of what happened to the sprites, based on the fact that we see Davesprite, Jadesprite, and Nannasprite on The Battlefield before Cascade. (Jaspersprite is still on LOLAR, throwing a hitch in this, though he may have left after talking to Nepeta) But the fact that the sprites seem to be drawn to the battlefield makes me wonder if their energy contributes to the birth of the Genesis Frog. None the less, though, I wish that Act 7 had shown SOMETHING about what happens to them.

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+Alphanaxx The theory I keep hearing is that the black hole left by Lord Jack acted as a gateway to Caliborn's session, taking Gamzee, the crowbar, the golden staff, and possibly also Lil Seb.