My theory is there was a hunting accident at a different location (because they had never hunted at that location before) and there was a cover up. 😢

Thank you Joe & Mike 👍🏼👍🏼

U-in-tuh. Wah-satch

"U-in-tuh"

Interesting to play around with the theories. I doubt someone would make a 12+ hour drive just to break into storage units. Even if you didnt want to do it in your city, why drive that far. And if the 2 unknown individuals were going through all that trouble to cover their tracks, why tell a known user you took a random persons life and then tell them exactly where that truck is. I think daniel was on foot when picked up by cops. He walked all the way out there and all the way back? I really have no clue what happened. Definitely foul play. If marshall was just ending himself, who removes and carries their steering column out in the woods with them. I think the truck location is purely a dump site. Despite what a lot of people think, most deals go down in parking lots, homes or hotels. Not in really secluded places. This case is just so bizarre and every theory seems far fetched, but its gotta be one of them.

Uinta= “you-WIN-tuh” Weber= “WEE-bur”

I honestly think she got off on another trail or off trail (especially after reading both trail reviews and looking closely at the map and the off shoot trails) and ended up succumbing to natural causes. If she wasn’t using any navigation like all trails or if her phone died or she didn’t have a map and was ego hiking like I’ve done thinking I have an amazing sense of direction, these things can happen. I’ve had my phone die and easily ended up so far from where I was supposed to be by making such a simple mistake when I thought I just needed to go directly downhill. It’s terrifying and I can see how easily people can get lost.

And if Tom were abducted, why weren’t there any tire tracks? If he was coerced into following a person posing as a park ranger, why didn’t he radio to his bro’s?

I subscribed because I found this case fascinating, and I 💯 support the little guy trying to make it on KZbin. One new subscriber here ✅

How is foul play a possibility? You kinda brushed over that real quick. Suicide I could understand that speculation but there is zero evidence for foul play. Why even throw that out there?

This is the first episode of LU I’ve watched in a long time, and of course its one where there’s mayhem in the background behind you all lol

Joe said that tom had told him he wasn't going to sit around.

Let's go Wisconsin! the rest of the country is counting on Wisconsin to vote for Trump this November.

Looks like he didn't stay put and wait for the others and decided to walk back to the campsite by himself, cutting switchbacks he got lost and his remains are somewhere out there. It sounds slightly similar to the the 2 tourist girls that got lost in the Panama jungle, the circumstances and photos left on their camera were so much more strange though!

You mentioned bears up here they’re not grizzly Bears in the area. He went missing. They are coastal Brown Bears basically Kodiak Bears and they will run up a mountain like that in 6 to 10 minutes no problem. I have ran into Bears on top of mountains just as steep. I like your theories he could’ve been dehydrated although 900 people were up there that day. He was the last one, and if it was predatory, the bear would’ve seen him as a wounded prey item left behind. The key is coastal Brown Bears typically do not look at humans as prayer items. I think he fell crossing an ice/snow bridge and was washed out to the ocean. Or fell under a ice ridge making that his final resting place, but I personally think he was washed out into the ocean. They were searching the top of the mountain with thermal cameras all night. It would make sense if he was pushed down into the water they weren’t searching that area at the time. Some of those rivers/creeks torrent into the ocean at the base very violently and being that it was Fourth of July they had the areas shut down and everybody was drinking and doing their thing. The only people in that area would’ve been the state troopers. A lot of people don’t realize Alaska on the Fourth of July is insane busy. Anything I’ve said it’s just a theory I’ve been up that mountain. I fish Seward all the time from the beaches all the way out 20 miles in the ocean. When it comes down to it, it’s just Alaska. It’s a motherfucker if you’re not prepared. This state has no room for complacency or novelty thinking a lot of people die up here every year. A few years back, there was a man who had been diagnosed with brain cancer, full family, children wife he drove out of Anchorage just passed. Girdwood walked into the mountains was never seen again. I was part of that rescue team almost one month of mountaineering and searching the backcountry and not one sign of him very eerie feeling.

pulled up youtube to watch this and figure out what happened. it was an auto-pedestrian accident. Dude runs into the intersection, slides across the top of a car, gets full slammed into by a car that is legally proceeding through the light, that car would have had no way of seeing the pedestrian to stop the collision. i hope that person is ok. 34:00

I love the intro, story music. So mysterious, sad and unknown.

There is video of her going up to the top. I have seen it.

I wish I knew what happened to Arvin Nelson. August is hot. I like hiking in the autumn, fall.

This has shades of The Dyatlov Pass incident. Ely (Ee-Lee) is where some of my family resides. I will be going to the area where Jordan met his untimely fate. My thought on what happened to Jordan is - like I said, something along the lines of the Dyatlov Pass incident. This intrigues me because of Jordan's vast experience with the outdoors. New York, where Jordan would often camp, is similar to Northern Minnesota, but key differences exist. It is curious that people are calling out the Wiindiigo, and I say it's curious because people don't know much about the Wiindiigo outside of the American Indian tribes of the Midwest. Also, the Wiindiigo possesses people and turns them into cannibals who must be killed to be stopped. Having explained the Wiindiigo to those who read this post, there are other American Indian folklore and myths that might be intertwined with what happened to Jordan. I will say all theories grounded in logic fail under the observation of large amounts of blood in his hammock and on the walls of his A-Frame tent, yet no disturbance to his A-Frame tent. Yet the Dyatlov Pass incident is an illogical set of deaths, much like Jordan's. Also, everyone keeps talking about the winter, but according to the police, they believe Jordan died his first or second night at his campsite, and the last receipt was October 10th. That means Jordna's remains were picked over by predators of the area for 6 months, and the only remains were extremely clean bones. One question that comes to mind is were any of Jordan's bones "cracked," as one would crack a crab leg to get to the marrow of the bone. That could lead credence to one theory.

FBI showed up because there was an escaped convict nearby

Being that he left his truck at the road something had to have happened that made him not go up the driveway. If he only went to the farm on the weekend I'm guessing people in the area knew that. So what if someone was using a wooded area on his property to make illegal drugs or moonshine and they were leaving via his driveway when he pulled up? This would have kept him from entering the driveway. If they were on atv's he wouldn't have chased them with his truck knowing they could go in area's his truck can't ( trails etc...) He get's his atv thinking he can catch them. He didn't call the police because there is spotty reception. The criminals were chased to the empty farm and they took him elsewhere to do away with him. I know sounds far fetched... but something kept him from going up his driveway and he hopped out of his truck leaving all his valuables.

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I love y’all’s podcast. I’m a Marine stationed in Twentynine Palms and have done the Oasis trail with my family so when I first listened to the original episode I was very interested.

Giardia takes at least a couple days to affect a person.

Okanagan is pronounced oak-kuh-NAW-ghenn and that is in northern Washington State. Did you mean to say Ochoco, as in the Ochocho National Forest which is pronounced OH-chih-ko? This forest in eastern oregon is named after Hawaiian settlers who lived in the area in the 1800s. Sprague is pronounced like Spregh. I hope you see my comments.

Ok, listen carefully guys😊. Winema is pronounced Why-KNEE-muh and Willamette is pronounced will-LAMB-it.

😂 Leave No Trace, yes, that's right, tune into the podcast on *How to Disappear* 😆, where they advise every 15 minutes to *make sure you always leave the trail,* never tell anyone where you plan on hiking, & never, EVER bring anything useful like food, water, proper clothing or gear. It's so successful that those who disappear never check back in with the hosts 😅

I think a rebuff of Jim is possible. Or perhaps she fell and accidentally was killed? Or maybe she was pushed by Jim in anger, fell, and died? He may not have wanted to kill her and it was an accident? He may have killed her to keep her quiet about him coming onto her. These are just some thoughts and may not be plausible.

Theres nothing on Jim Rammaker on the internet as such but hes very active on facebook, seems to hike regularly...

No sound. 😢

Poor Geoff, gone too soon. Such a tragic case of falling. Even march hiking is slippery and ice. I shoe skated down a trail once. So sketchy.

Yes but why would anyone want to kidnap a disabled feeble old man?? You have got to think of a motive.

I've been out to the lake twice in the past 2 summers. I believe there was some hydrogen sulfate gas release in the West Bay which killed them in a minute. Eventually the canoe capsized and Kim didn't have a PFD on.

The dude on the ATV is like “bout to make a U-turn right on outta here” 😂

I'm currently driving for my job as a delivery driver and I was pulling into a stop at 41:33 timestamp of this episode and I was listening, not watching the video, and I literally thought someone was honking at me. I spent like five good minutes wondering what I did wrong and who was honking at me, until I learned that it was actually in the background of the episode 😂😂😂

Just watched the video to see the mayhem going on outside

When I see his picture it just breaks my heart. If I was the scout leader I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

Great show as usual but can barely hear Mike. Joe coming through loud and clear, maybe just my end.

3 Possible Scenarios- 1. Missing people are snatched & dragged into portals, by unknown creatures or entities. -Or- Missing people inadvertently walk into an active portal and they’re sucked into another dimension. 2. Dogman, Sasquatch or other Cryptid abduction and/or attack. 3. Alien or fake (gov’t) alien abduction --Any/all scenarios could initiate FBI involvement, since it’s well known, the FBI hides alien and fake alien covert ops and abductions. They also hide cryptid sightings, attacks and abductions. *Wanted serial killer abductions are usually released to the public, why would Tom’s incident be undisclosed and info hidden from the public. -that doesn’t make sense.

This was wild

Uinta : “you-WIN-tuh”. Weber: WEE-ber

She was attacked. Body and belongings driven away. If she couldn't have mistaken the trail then that must be the answer.

All that gear and he died without a Fighting Chance. He was attacked in his sleep, from above (not beneath) then lifted up out of his hammock as, even if your arm or leg is hanging out of the hammock, you can't simply be pulled out of the hammock, because it pulls in the direction you're pulling, that won't work, you have to literally be lifted UP out of it. Knives had nothing to do with it as, you don't shave in your hammock, it's highly impractical and as a person that sleeps in a hammock identical to this setup, I've never even thought about such a thing. A saturation of blood inside the hammock and on the walls of the hammock, indicate that the attack took place from above him. He had to be lifted out of the hammock if the hammock has no injury. NO ANIMALS, HUMAN-LIKE CREATURE, FACT

Arh man that was interesting but s9 sad😢you know supernatural things come out of nowhere in place like these! People wouldnt even fathom the thoughts but yep its real, realms are real! Thoughts for his loved ones❤

No sound when it went to the history part 😞

It is pronounced, too all a me

Instructions Unclear, Mike asked me to raise my hand while driving. Not cool 😅l😂. Also these bonus episodes are some of the best episodes.

This facts are un-bear-able. Also, As instructed I Licked the Like button and now my wife wont look me in the eyes. What next Joe? 👀