your comment about blessed bone shards regarding the wine, you'll have to recharge your prayer regardless so bankers note isn't affecting that. the thing about barrows vs. moons is there is dupe protection against pieces at moons of peril which makes a huge difference. to get the last 2-3 sets @barrows to complete exponentially increased the time to finish those the further you progress even if you're only doing the barrows brothers for the remaining pieces of the set(s) you need. even with 2x moons it won't be as big of a grind as barrows last leagues. moons of peril with dual machs with the echo hits (esp once you hit t6) are going to be disgusting for proc chance.

Ahhh man, you almost swayed my plan here. I'm picking VMW. I was almost sure I needed to pick BN as a newbie for colosseum and ToB. But I do admit TR sounds more fun and exciting. And after you put the thought in my head that I could be constantly speccing in the wildy, I'm seriously reconsidering. It makes me reconsider the other relics too. Instead of picking forager for unlimited potions to chug, I could go the thieving relic for unlimited blood furies, and maybe focus on other healing items like enhanced guthans and the varlamore vambraces if i get them. The fact that i picked BN last year makes the novelty factor so enticing, but I might kick myself later....

Bet you're happy with that elder maul now!!

got into an argument with someone on reddit about this but whatever floats their boat. now im waiting to see what the 3rd relic to be to decide between the two.

mostly going grimoire for thralls, deathcharge & veng, but its nice to know that nobody needs it

New to leagues total recall or bankers note for me. I’m a dad so limited play time and new to osrs

I hate when people just say how many kc they have, it really matters what rate you do the kc at, if you are splitting everything, 3 + 4 is the magic number for effective fast raids with really high chances of seeing a purple drop. 1k kc solo and 400 kc with 3 + 4 are very different. Obviously, in this case, you are an ironman, and the purple has to be in your name, so solo is definitely the way to go for you or duo/solo cms with another ironman, I trio with an ironman and he's missing 2 items bow and top, we let him point farm us a little because we all split anyway. Also the onyx btw, if you are with any mains ironman can NEVER get the onyx at tecton by default.

The iron luck

Huh neat, I really thought the prayers were a bigger deal. With 80 ranged, and either red d'hide + msb or full crystal + crystal bow, Rigour is only 3-8 seconds faster against Zulrah. A ranging potion has a bigger impact than the prayer.

I chose equilibrium last league and got dragon cup so not a dps chaser. But I did the math on farming without overgrowth. 60 magic or palm seeds. I’m picking tir and wildy, so between zulrah larran chest and elite clues I can get enough tree seeds. However this league I feel I need to kill zucc so I’m valuing combat damage and defense higher. 5% dps is 5%. And it gives lots of bonus defense. Going grimour and agility relic. Agility was brutal last league even with equi on the obstacles (I was a pp enjoyer)

pretty good overall, I wouldn't mind seeing a little bit of in between stuff, I'm sure you didn't sit down and do 500 raids in a row so maybe some snip-its of whats going on between sessions.(ie. if your maxxing a skilling lvl here or there, if your restocking supplies"theres 4k super restores made",things like that. enjoyed the vid bro!

we could potentially see the non-revealed combat/spec related relic reveals that were like t7/t8 before upon login and be like OHHH SHITTTT and rewrite our whole plan lol

I agree with you, I don't like theiving and it will pair so well with overgrown. I think the herb one is unnecessary if going overgrown. I'm playing casually to learn content and agility is unnecessary for me because of unlimited run I think dps/combat is so insane that you don't even need bis gear or any combat related relics to destroy pvm this time around I'm going mining relic because I don't like mining. My only decision is now do I choose banker's note with the heals from the combat tiers? I feel like that's overkill. But then again, I'm trying to learn raids so maybe being a little safer is my best bet

now that duke prep was giga buffed i might still do frem IDKK

Been needing an endgame iron series, and its well edited to boot! :D Cant wait for the next vid

Completely agree! My first instinct was to go grimoire for the prayers, but for how I play and what content I interests me the most… the thieving relic sold it for me which pairs beautifully with the farming relic. I plan a melee build so the other spellbooks don’t really matter, but if I can save time on farming passively and afk thieving seeds/materials on days I am too tired to really play after work - this will keep me going longer during the league without burnout. The end goal is to HAVE FUN and the thieving relic was so awesome last league; I can have supplies and potions ready on my off days to really grind out pvm without worry about runs.

don't get me wrong, this guy has a valid point and I agree with him, for the average casual, don't take the +3 extra damage. Farming takes time. But I like farming. It's part of the game for me. I don't like shit like agility... which is why I would totally never encourage anyone to use a macro for it because that would be against the rules and you would totally get banned just like all the other bots.

the minmaxing and the crazy damage is my goal here. I WANT the craziest most overpowered meta setup. I'll take the damage. I got 99 farming on 4 accounts. I'll be ok.

Finally someone else with the same plan. Tirannwn, Varlamore, and Morytania!!!

But have you considered the mental health toll of clicking arm + brain every time

so you're saying that I don't need the extra damage or quick spellbook swap from "grimoire" spellbook like thrall dps because... I am shit like you at farming? Nah, I'm good.

I'm picking grim (probably) just so I don't have to click 3 prayers instead of 1 as a melee user 😅

Golden god takes care of farming and construction simultaneously, so I go with forager pouch and grimoire. I will be picking desert and rellekka, so I have pyramid for thieving and rellekka course for agility.

Subscribed dude. Would love to run a toa sometimes. Invo 415 or something greetz follow ironmanner

Overgrown gives a constant stream of passive farming exp for very little effort, even if its crappy allotment seeds.

Completely agree, for now if I were to take grimoire it would be only for rigour (as I am taking the desert anyways and will get ancients). For me 8% dps increase for a whole relic slot is absolutely not worth it. Taking overgrown to not have to do any farm runs/get herblore and raid supplies sounds far far better to me. It all depends what overgrown is up against though. I look forward to finding out.

Huge spoon! Gz on drops

im roughy over 550 kc still no mega rare x)

Finally someone brings this up. Been trying to explain how grim is more useful for the spellbooks than anything else since the difference between damage prayers and default is negligible. Even then id rather skip the farming runs than have those spellbooks. I am interested in the 3rd option now though since I may end up choosing it if I take the forager relic.

Talk about being spooned

Time for a new series! Let’s go

max scythe going from 44.4 to 41.0 is a decent dps loss. however i would agree that dps is so absurdly high that prioritizing fun and enjoyment would be much better for almost any1, im personally going for farming relic as well most likely. i remember ppl last leaguer were upset for taking not farming after realizing how good it is.

finally another thieving hater

As a skiller with mage build this leagues looks awful compared to last.

Nitpicky math if you ask me. For my build max melee goes up +3 DPS (0.8s dif) at JalTok-Jad, max hit goes from a potential 87 without piety to a potential 94 due to echo procs. These are theoretical averages meaning you could easily enough be unlucky and have your kill take over 5 seconds longer even if you don't waste any ticks (most will but that's pretty irrelevant). Either way that's the case for one pretty standalone scenario, where this becomes a greater deal is where you're gonna be killing a large amount of monsters and all those -1 or -2 seconds are gonna add up. If you're pet hunting let's say (with my calculations based on my route) and I go 2x over rate for Araxxor pet, which is not that unlikely to happen, me having piety vs not having it is a time difference of over 1h 15'. You could spend all that saved time throughout the league doing your best farming method and easily reach 50m xp and have a bunch of spare time to use for other stuff if your areas aren't the worst possible combo for farming. You're also ignoring the fact that it's not only prayers but also spells, meaning you unlock thralls, Vengeance and Death Charge which give a significant boost to DPS. You unlock barrage spells that can be useful (e.g: Maiden nylos at HMT). You get Dark Lure for implings and Shadow Veil if you, like me, have very little reasons to pick the thieving relic. You get the ability to reanimate ensouled heads on the spot while slaying and Sinister Offering for ashes in case you don't pick Golden God for prayer. An overlooked one imo is Degrime which whether you pick Forager or Overgrown you're gonna be sitting on a stupid amount of grimy herbs to deal with. And some other utility like Tan Hide for crafting (if you're potentially gonna do a bunch of Vorkath like me) or Recharge Dragonstone. Main point of all this yap is be careful with your statement, majority of people don't have the will, energy or time to do extensive planning and take many things into consideration and content creators keep throwing these words out like "noob trap" or "Don't need" and those statements are by far and wide the absolute biggest noob traps, there is not a single relic so far outside of perhaps Bank Heist and Lumberjack that doesn't have a strong case to be picked as long as you make sure there's synergy and it makes sense within your build and route, and mainly withing your wants out of the mode. Not everyone enjoys the same stuff or has the same goals. You most certainly don't need Overgrown for anything at all if you compensate with relics/content that covers the need for 0 tick farming (that doesn't even roll for pet).

Dropping a comment for the algorithm, always great to see New OSRS content creators!!

What do you need blood shards for if you go frem?

I'm hoping the third relic in the growth/grimoire/???? tier is something that greatly benefits me

Tormented demons will be nice afk training when you get tier 6

I'm interested in what the other relic for that tier is. In the Wilderness, farming isn't possible so I have no interest in Overgrown.

Great video! Keep them coming!

The defensive aspect of the prayers is handy too. Not just for the max hits.

Dude thralls is extra dps haha also if doing melee a 25% increase in max hit each splat and echo of that splat - if u have V i think herb pick is the go and also skip overgrown cos they overlap - picking range maybe not butni think mage u would also want grimoire

we need the third relic in the overgrown/grimoire tier before anything can be set in stone i feel like

but are we accounting for the lack of thralls though? that's a substantial amount of dps no? I've been locked in on mtf and was taking grim because of thralls mostly

Love the content, love the commentary and banter. Length was good, but i dont feel like you should pressure yourself to maintain this lengthy of a video even though it was enjoyable. Just doing snap shots in the beginning was not as good as how you presented drops toward the end. You definitely refined that. Would love to see you make guide, cause i feel like your story resonates with the majority of players, you would connect with people nicely. Im glad i found you channel

As a 2 time equilibrium chooser, i approve this message. So stoked for them to reveal the third, superior relic in this tier

Thanks for this vid! I don't actually play regular OSRS, and was feeling forced into the Grimoire pick when i actually wanted to take Overgrown. Now i feel i can take a guilt free Overgrown.

Personally going overgrown anyways I think. Going zeah and frem anyways so arcane isn't that great for me. Also, if i pick overgrown it makes my choice to pick thieving over the herblore relic a bit easier.

Really great points here