I'm about 3.5 hours north-west of you. I'm sure Milwaukee is an awesome place to rip around. Glad you enjoy your bike!

@DeFinite_7 Nice area for sure!! We ride around the Mississippi River a few times a year!! Bought my 24 MT09 SP up your way! Safe riding

I agree, it felt like an edge case. The new tune does not do it though. I tested the first day both cold and hot. It was my mistake for not adding this information to the video.

@@DeFinite_7 hmmm, can you post another video testing it, try a bunch of different throttle loads and rpm ranges and timings. It will happen again I feel like.

@@OneSmallFavour You bet, I'll link the video below. I'll include two unlisted videos. The one demoing the old tune and a new one, filmed today, demoing the new tune. Please note the lower temp. If this is unsettling to you, I can 100% re-record this later. Also note that the high idle is not related to the lower temp. This new tune raises the idle a bit. Old: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2WQfo2nZ76pmM0 New (processing as of now, may not be viewable immediately): kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2evmJt3otOEsKc

its a 2024 look at the dash and tank vents

Yes, but what he is saying is some people are selling the flash for the 2024 when it's really the flash for the 2023. The two are vastly different in the flashes and are not/should not be the same. Much much different parameters in the stock bike which means there has to be many many different parameters to the tune. Did you understand what he was trying to say, or no? Yeah, the bike might be a 2024 but did he get a new tune for said model or did he get a tune that works for the 2023 model and just slapped it in the 2024? That's what he's talking about.

Guy making the video is a complete n00b. The 2024 mt09 has a great auto blipper, so there's no reason to be blipping the throttle. 2wheeldyno is for real riders/racers because they have a real shop, with real technicians. They've flashed a few of my bikes with great results; then again, I don't blip the throttle 3 times every shift. 🤣

2wdw owns their own 4th gen MT-09, GSX8, Ninja 500 etc. They own multiple platforms

Dude oh my god. That's a horrible experience. Sorry to hear you got roped into that. I hope you have a better experience once you get your 10's ecu out.

@@predalienftw Lol I think you’re right! I just tuned in to the video after reading your comment and that definitely sounds like our conversation when I called before getting all this done.

@@Ramgaruda All is well now that I had it tuned again! If you’re having the same issues, hit up David over at Vcyclenut. He’ll get you squared away

@@adrenalinehoarder6246 glad to hear! They did well on my CP2 as well

@@Sayo.451 Cheers to riding in Wisconsin! Hoping to get a couple more weeks in here before it gets below 60s. I hope to see ya around eventually

Hey Logan, I plan to make another video covering more technical details about the tune but here are the big differences I found: - From stock to tuned, each gear opened up so that it made power through and through whereas previously, stock ecu was configured to have "holes" in the mapping. This is done to preserve their emissions compliance standings. - The stock top speed limited is a "Soft" limit. It kicks in slowly and doesn't hard limit your speed. It makes it feel like the bike cannot go faster. With it removed, the bike just keeps pulling up to close to 150mph. - Between the two tunes, the biggest differences are the engine braking and the softness in which power is applied. I ride in Street mode most of the time and the power comes on smoother, but comes on at around the same time. It's a hard sensation to describe but it feels buttery smooth now to drive between slow and high speeds. - Rain mode in the Vcyclenut tune makes full power if needed but kicks in very very slowly. Extremely easy to ride. There's an engine mode 4 that can be used if this is too much power. Between the three states of stock, 2wdw, and Vcyclenut, I feel like I can genuinely trust the machine to behave how I'd expect underneath me. I feel more in sync with it and this is the exact sensation all of us riders should be chasing. The power comes on when I expect which is not something I can say about the stock ECU flash. 2wdw did a good job at that too but this feels that few percent better, although it could be me simply getting used to the bike still.

Interesting! Thanks for sharing this information. Definitely something to look into.

So did the tune fix the "sluggish" 2nd gear issue?

@@tjr2420 hell yeah it did! The bikes got power in every rpm in every gear now

Valid question! The truthful answer is that I'm so used to my previous MT07 that the quickshifter isn't something I utilize as much as I could in downshifts. The big reason for this is that my beginner knowledge on how quickshifters work lead me to believe that downshifts should be seamless while on and off the throttle (since the quickshifter supports that). Buuuut downshifts while on power felt absolutely horrible, so I just learned to downshift without it, so it's now a habit to not use it unless I'm driving super chill and rely on one handed riding.

@@DeFinite_7 ah ok! Yeah the autoblip on most modern motorcycles that have it require very little to no throttle at all to be smooth. 🤙🏽

@@DB-sd3cw as far as I know, the Tenere700 uses the CP2 motor. Since the CP2 motor has been tuned in the MT07, both should work just fine for you. Reach out to either. I’m fairly sure the answer will be “yes”

@@DeFinite_7 cool it with the antisemitic remarks

For what it's worth, vcyclenut does support international shipping. I do understand that international shipping can be quite expensive though. Unless your point is that the European bike is different - to that, I'd say that (as far as I'm aware), David actually disables the use of the O2 sensors so it should run fine regardless.

Hey @hawkman996, thanks for commenting. A part of me wants to re-make this video to better establish my experience surrounding the tangible differences between the tunes rather than dwell so much on the customer experience because: - you ask a valid point that I did not touch on well - the emotions surrounding feeling slighted by the team at 2wdw have subsided and I think I could do a better job now While in the video I did mention that downshifting quickly would have been a factor, I did not touch on how it was indeed a factor. The rate at which I can blip the throttle now is faster than what the 2wdw tune offered, especially when the blips are repeated. Combine that sensation with this blipping issue, it did indeed cause a riding condition where the bike wasn't able to put the power toward revving or the ground fast enough. I cannot tell if the following is placebo or not but it also feels like the quickshifter works better now as downshifts are more feasible whereas initially, the felt scary and hard on the transmission. I'll likely take this video down in the coming week and reshoot it with more of a focus on the bike itself rather than how I feel I was treated. Cheers

@@DeFinite_7 This explanation makes more sense for how it felt in gear and actual riding conditions. So I see why you are sticking with the Vcyclenut tune. The emotion portrayed in your video is fine as that is real life. You felt pushed off by 2wdw so I understand the frustration and disappointment. I think Nate’s email explanations were fine but he definitely comes off more crass. If you watch his channels you will see this is his personality. Some people like that straightforward personality and others do not. Dave is more personable in his videos and even slightly goofy at times. I like them both. I’ve worked with enough tuners in the automotive world and powersports world to understand tunes can have personalities. Different people will like different tuners for the personalities those tunes exhibit. Better customer service always wins out in the end though no matter how good the product is.

I can certainly do that. Are there any details on the bike that you're curious about? I'd love to hear what you want to see so I know what to cover.

I can definitely shoot another video if it's something folks want to see. This was a radiator guard from a polish seller on eBay. Didn't really have a "brand" or "model" name but the seller was tom-ash1976

Oh and yes - check engine came on for two riding sessions, 10 min each. Went away promptly.

@@DeFinite_7 oh, but keeps coming back on? Or is gone forever?

@@damacknificent151 No, it's gone forever. Has not come back on. It came on just as David described and went away, also just as he described.

Likewise - ride safe.

It certainly didn't get better but I am not noticing it being any worse. I use a full tank of fuel for about 2 hours of spirited riding. I haven't looked at how many miles these trips are but they're normally closer to 80-100 miles.

Fuel economy should never get better with a tune. This question is always asked by the bikes are lean from the factory and they add more fuel. This shouldn’t be an issue considering the main reason we want tunes: more power