Using stat boosters counts as upgrades.

Audio Desync at 35:00 til Garuda because laptop battery was near end of life causing some problems when recording.

What is NUR?

Also to note this was a one off side project, no damage is not my kind of thing and I likely will not be doing more

I adore punishing runs like this! My current run is no MP, and I just finished Majima and Saejima rather easily. Of course, Poundmates are essentially Kiwami skills costing ¥ instead of MP, but that'll be a problem for the no money run! (Well, minimal spending run. That'd mean no upgrades, minimal taxi travel, no Poundmates past first use... holy HELL, it does get worse!)

It's cool to see that someone else attempted this challenge. The way you beat castle in the clouds was the exact way I did it.

I find it insane that you managed to do snakes on a cake, that level ruined the challenge for me.

😈 Promo SM

Pretty cool you found out how to trigger it consistently

1:44 This has unfortunately happened to me a couple of times both against bosses/long battle. Basically, when you perform the parry ( you are supposed to be invincible) the bosses or enemies had already planned to attack you ( effectively nullifying your invincibility). in the original this bizzare "bug" did not happen. Note: Amon from my experience, it's probably the boss where you can encounter this bug multiple times (ps4).

8:02 that runic attack works wonders on Heimdall, even if he tries dodging the spears still rain on him and track him. That one can also bug his 2nd phase after you kill gultopr. Great vid. Thanks for the kind words.

I was curious to see how you handled the insane battle, great job. i think the same, security guards is the hardest fight in the game, i did no damage in this battle and lau ka long long battle, but this fight is very hard. - The only strategy this fight has is to focus aggressively on stun gun guys as they have small health pools, deal high damage and drop their stun guns on death. The stun gun also destroys the other enemies around so after knocking out a stun gun guy use it to clear mobs and other stun gun guys to chain the kills together. I confirm everything, without stun gun it's a nightmare. Anyway, Congratulations for this great run ( i've seen also lau ka long long battle, great strategies.).

GJ. Glad my video was useful.

Insane !!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯

This was so annoying

Thanks for the mention. I think you're doing a great job, like a dragon ishin is very complicated without upgrades on legend, I really like how you handle the fights and i really like some strategies. Overall, your run no upgrades are very underrated, but there's a great effort, especially with your restrictions. I did this battle without damage in the original (new game) but in my opinion in the remake from what i've seen seems way harder than Original, i haven't tried seriously. About The cards, I'm not against it. I also used them on two insane fights in the dungeon during my videos, because i didn't want to grind my weapon/seals and too much hp and armor from the bosses, but i understand you. You almost finished the game without upgrades, It's a great achievement, finish the job but don't stress yourself, take your time :) Good luck.

Captains: Green shirt: Down hit and swipe attack Purple Shirt Green Pants Helmet: Dodge slash, charged poke and charged down hit Purple Shirt Brown Pants Mask: Dodge slash, horizontal slash and running down hit Why cards: So why do I have cards well because I honestly believe a no card of this section is near impossible as green shirt one shots you with his fast down swipe aswell as his swipe up attack if it double hits (It hits both your front and back hit boxes sometimes which is 490ish x2 aka oneshot seen at 44:35 ) which also attacks through block (I believe it is a hitbox bug but who knows) as well as some attacks from the other captains but they are not as quick as the green shirt captain but will still chip you down with their fast attacks. My best run cardless was 5 minutes destroying 1/4 of their armored health bar. Then I tried with only the card health boosts which avoids one shot but the low damage meant I ran out of healing. Best run was 10 minutes getting their armored health to slightly below 1/2. I caved in and decided to just use cards. I only used cards I already had from DLC and picked up from random street battles. I also did some street battles to see which cards I should use and went with the cards I set in the video as they had fast cooldown and decent damage. EDIT: Forgot to say but the reason I chose to allow cards first instead of equipment or accessories is because of the rules I set for the other runs, no cards was more of just a personal challenge and did not really violate the NUR+ conditions I had previously set. Strategy: You can just run around like a maniac and spam the cards but I wanted to attack aswell. So the main strategy was wild dancer square circle and dodging around when the captains attack to build up some heat and get some damage. The green pants and purple shirt mask captain both have dodge slash attack which is the fastest attack so be wary of their chip damage but green shirt does 800+ damage and should always be your main dodge priority. Spam cards when they are off cool down (I liked to focus 1 guy towards the end but was just using them indiscriminately at first) and if they happen to fall over brawler spin around heat action. The best time for the heat action was with crescendo (Guranatee knock for all 3 captains) and violent wind (Gurantee 1 knock when all 3 captains are alive). Then after the heat action I used katana for a quick combo before repeating the wild dance strategy. After a gruelling 30 minutes of repeating this eventually the battle is finished. Time estimates: Long battle before captains: Proper NUR+ conditions: 25 - 30mins NUR with equipment: 13 - 20mins Captains: Cardless: If 5minutes was 1/4 of their armor then the estimate would be 40minutes cardless but realistically it would take around 1 hour of wild dance spamming until you can finish the battle and any little hit can finish you off. Card Health only: Estimate should be similar to cardless (40-60mins) but at least you have a safety net of 1,500 bonus health (2k total) instead of your measly 635(Around about) health. Cards: Depends on how good the cards are but the ones I was using I did 2 runs finishing in 28mins and 30mins so 30mins is a good estimate Conclusion: In the end do I think cardless can be done? Theoretically yes practically probably not the one shot from the captains are enough to drive anyone insane and you have to deal with the 15 minutes of mindless gameplay before you can even have your attempt draining you of your concentration. With card health increase it seems more feasible but still someone has to be insance enough to try play extremely well for 1 hour concentrating that whole time with the 15 minute between each failure. I dont think anyone but me is even crazy enough to attempt the restrictions I put on the run so also a no. I'm just glad to be past this section. Now I can just attempt the finale and hopefully finish off the run. The only way any of the other conditions could be met is if Sega messes up a patch which makes the section easier but it has to be a major screw-up (Turn off AI/Damage, Kiryu one shot even with terrible equipment, health values set to 1) or a new cheese method is developed by someone. I still am a bit dissappointed in not being able to achieve my optional restrictions of no cards as It feels like a really cheap win but I do not think I would have carried on the run otherwise. A completed run is better than an unfinished run.

Rawdogging the game like this might just be more efficient that grinding the cabaret shit all over again

Oh hey, someone who actually knows this move exists

I've got the same issue

I swear that getting upgrades must secretly increases your strength because the damage here is microscopic compaired to regular playthroughs. I noticed this a long while ago when I watched a playthrough where the person didnt do many substories meanwhile I did all substories making me get double the EXP they got meaning I got far more upgrades. Compairing the damage output, I was doing far more damage then the person who didnt do substories and thus having less upgrades then I did.

Nice sync at 9:00

Final Forced Venom Use: At the end after doing the dodging and triangle attacks on Tinkerer there is a forced venom dash where triangle iniates the venom dash which seems unskippable but I have done no testing on it to see if any skips for it exist. Overall the run while not that hard to do as combat in the game is quite easy to get the hang of was a fun challenge to see other ways to beat bosses without the need for Venom and the different challenges presented by no Venom. No upgrades also made the fights a bit more harder but not as much as limiting Venom. Lastly at the start of the run I tried to be the minimum level I could be which was level 17 for me with no side objectives done at all except the cat side story for the costume.

Mine Phases: No Heat Orange Heat (Boxer Style) Red Heat (Aggro Damage) Purple Heat (Healing) No Heat: When mine has no heat he has the running knee charge attack, a 3 hit combo ending in a leg kick, a 3 hit leg combo and his constant dodging into uppercut when you attack or get too close. This moveset mostly carries over into other heat styles. Orange Heat: He has a uppercut, constant leg swipes and a constant dodge punching attack which is usually done after you try to attack him. Also has the quirk of making him permanently dodge when Kiryu is facing him. Red Heat: Has a charged fist attack and the running knee charge attack. Also likes to do the QTE after this heat phase but the conditions for the QTE to happen are still unknown. Purple Heat: Similar attacks to no heat but has the added perk of healing if you are too far or he has just attacked and is dodging backwards. The healing also does knockback which can stun you long enough for him to get significant healing. The healing he does seems to be higher than hard but could be that he is just taking less damage from Kiryu. Average healing is 3-4 times. Manipulation Strategies: The main strategy relies on a Mine Manipulation discovered by amuro073 in his no damage no upgrades video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/jp68g3t3nrN7o5Y) and an attack manipulation my brother discovered. For the Mine manipulation it was found that after attacking (I believe this applies to only his no heat phase) if you get some distance on Mine and block he will do a taunt which leaves him vulnerable to attacks. The taunt also has some kind of hit box but does 0 damage (or very little). The attack manipulation found was that attacking mine with combo enders while he is blocking makes him do a downards kick which you usually could not punish but for some reason square,square,triangle has enough recovery to dodge behind mine as he does the attack leading to easy full combo opportunites. This means that either the combo ender has a faster recovery than all other combo enders or that you can input the dodge earlier which ends the animation early and does the dodge (Full testing for attack manipulation such as all square hit combos was not tested so easier baits could exist). This was thought to only be possible in his no heat phase but further testing during my Legend run proved otherwise which made the battle possible without weapons. Main Strategy: For the time he has no heat, first the running knee attack is baited and dodged by keeping distance from Mine. Then you get some distance and block to make Mine taunt. Then my punish is to run up to him and do square,square,triangle which should bait his downwards kick which you can dodge and then do a full combo. Then as soon as he gets up sqaure,square,triangle is repeated to bait him again and so on. Then once Mine gains heat you adapt depending on the heat he changes to. If he changes to his red heat I avoid it like the plague as he has hyper armor, aggressive attacks and insanly high damage. I usually just run in circles and dodge when he does his running knee attack until he gets out of the heat phase. If he changes to orange heat I usually also just stay back and hold lock on to him so he just permanently dodges and I keep distance so as soon as he exits the heat phase I can bait his running knee attack. There is also some punishes I saw done by amuro073 but I was not as confident or knowledgeable as him to capitalise on this. Then finally the main problem his purple heat. At first I was trying to bait his attacks to minimise the healing he could do (usually to 2-3 but even then unreliable) but he would still heal too much to the point that my first attempt he did not lose a single bar of health. But the attack manipulation meant that he would constantly keep doing the downwards kick and it could combo into another attack manipulation bait meaning this was an infinite. Because Mine needed some cooldown time before he could initiate the healing he literally could not heal as long as you keep baiting correctly meaning that Mine's healing can be mitigated with no upgrades. As an added quirk he will stay in his purple heat phase until you drop the infinite which means if you do not get nervous or get his quick downwards kick you could end the battle with this combo. After each heat phase he will go into a period of no heat for a while. This usually only gives enough time for 1-2 combo punishes before he goes into his next heat phase. This down time I would do the same strategy as the strat of the fight and after doing one full combo punish I get ready for his next heat phase. I repeat this strategy until eventually Mine is defeated. Manipulation Problems: While the Mine Taunt Manipulation works It was inconsistant at times due to me only being able to test it during my Legend run so I could not test it properly but in amuro's video he was doing it consistantly so a better understanding is needed to improve on the manipultion. For the attack manipulation while the square,square,triangle did give enough time to dodge sometimes Mine would still attack faster than I could dodge which means he either has slight speed variations on his kicks as in his AI decides to do the kick sooner than expected. My only reasoning for this is the downtime I give mine is not enough so he ends up trying to counterattack after the square,square or my button mashing was not good enough and made me miss the frames where I could dodge the attack. And Finally after a long battle against Mine the run concludes. I never ended up showing I had no upgrades other than revelations but your just going to have to take my word for it :) plus I have not lied so far and have little reason to as It would defeat the purpose of the challenge. The run overall is quite boring once you know what you are doing and the chases can be extremely annoying especially if you fail but the boss fights were fun when I was trying to discover the strategies for them as well as some other hard mob fights.

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Leading up to Jingu: To start for the Jingu fight I grab the staminan spark in the boxes behind the statues nearby. Then using heat I either maintained from the fight before or using a healing potion I komaki flip one of the MIA gun guys for a gun. Using this I finish off the other MIA agents that spawn at the start. Then the gun I used if it still has bullets I waste them and throw the gun in the water to not mistake it for a loaded gun later. Then I take a loaded gun to continue for the next spawns. I walk into the spawn range and then back off to shoot everyone that spawns in. Then I finish off the gun guy and use his gun to finish off the rest of the spawns. Then I dispose of the empty guns and gather the loaded ones in the centre. Now I continue until you get to the cutscene where more spawns appear. I run back to grab one of the stands at the start to heat action one of the sergeants as heat action do insane damage to them. Then using a gun I shoot the normal MIA agents and use the heat gained to pick up another stand and finish off the sergeant I hit before which should either kill or leave the guy with very little health. Then I use another gun to finish off the lackey aswell as the sergeant if he is still alive. I then go for a couch to use on the final sergeant and finish him off with some combos. Then I pickup a gun (You should have at least one left) to beat all the other gun guys in the arena leading up to Jingu. Rush Heat Bug: Usually when dodging in rush you would lose a lot of heat for each dodge but if you are in rush and pull out a weapon it removes this heat loss letting you have the 3 dodges aswell as keeping the heat to heat action the colonels. This made it much more safer to dodge Jingu's grenade aswell as all other attacks before heat actioning someone. Jingu: Now comes the reason I did not do a No Upgrade Run+ Jingu. While I believe it is possible to do without equipment or weapons it is extremely hard and requires insane Jingu manipulation which I do not want to deal with (More on this later for the revival phase). Before entering the arena I equip a revival stone and any armor I have (I believe it does very little but why not equip it) aswell as a Goemon as I usually have heat at this point. Then as soon as the battle starts I heat action one of the colonels. You should try and keep track of who you have stabbed as it will make the battle way easier. The main strategy is to gain heat using the many guns you have and heat action with the daggers as they do the most consistant damage (Even after damage down it is insanely good) and repeatedly heat action the Colonels. If you are below 1/4 health you should heal up as Jingu can one shot with his grenade and using the heat gained from the heal to Goemon heat action which skips some guns needing to be used aswell as obviously healing you preventing the one shots. This should let you easily progress to the next phase letting you beat the hardest phase of this battle. Then I whack up Jingu until the resurrection phase. I equip the goemon and wait around for the qte. After beating the qte you gain heat which I use to stab the Colonels. I then repeat the strategy I used for the first phase for this phase but I use some Jingu manipulation as it is way easier since I do not need to worry about the colonels shooting me up. I named this manipulation the Jingu laugh and it works as such. You make Jingu attack, This can be done naturally or forced by walking out of Jingu's range forcing him to walk towards you and back into his range which you can tell you have done when he started walking to the left or right, then after dodging his attack he has an extremely high chance to start laughing (be wary of attack follow ups). After he starts laughing as long as you stay within his range to not force him to walk but far enough away to that he can not kick you or force his runaway animation he will continuously trigger his laughing animation. I believe this happens because the Colonels aggro make it so Jingu can not attack (His only attacks are shooting or grenade which both are slow and require him to have attack priority for a while) therfore the game defaults to laughing. Using this it makes the gun-dagger strategy even easier. This can be broken though as when you stab a colonel everyones attacks are reset meaning Jingu will likely attack but once the colonel gets up and aggros back on to you, you can redo the Jingu laugh manipulation and repeat. After having only one Colonel left this becomes less reliable but you only really need to focus on Jingu and only need to pay little attention to the remaining Colonel. Then using the same strategy finish off the last Colonel and you have just Jingu left. Although this part may seem easy Jingu is still quite dangerous in a 1v1 especially if you underestimate him. I use the rush abuse for this reason as while I believe the brawler strategy is viable and quite effective the possibility of being one shot and Jingu's evasive nature makes this extremely slow and adds unneccessary risk. Therefore I get behind Jingu in rush (usually by baiting his double kick attack) and then do the square,square,stop rush infinite. This gives Jingu little to no time (Depends on if you are against the wall or not) to do anything meaning you can do this for a while. After 1 bar he will heal which usually breaks the cycle but you can just Goemon stab him and then bait the double kick again and repeat. This also happens one more time at about half health and then you should finally be able to finsih off the battle. Nishiki: Then finally comes Nishiki and due to extremely limited testing I believe just rush using the rush infinite is the best way to beat him. This is mainly due to his insane healing and the only available heat actions being destructable objects. Nishiki seems to have a time based heal instead of the set heals everyone else has as his heals during my testing was highly varied per phase which was dependant on my time taken for him. I do not know why this happened and usually he would either destroy or I would use up all the furniture meaning I could do no more heat actions meaning I had to DPS hard to even progress. Therefore the only non equipment way to do him was to use the rush infinite. I forgot to unequip everything at the start of the battle so I just used the Goemon when he healed as It would just take some more time without but usually the infinite gives him no time to heal if done properly until the phase transitions happen which give you more than enough time to grab something to heat action him with. Their are also many places that line up well for the rush infinite where Nishiki becomes stuck and can not turn around letting you afk combo him. So at this point the fight is merely just a loading screen with very little skill required and while I would of liked to do a less abused fight I did not want to do the whole tower again so I took the easy way out. Finishing Remarks: And that concludes the Yakuza Kiwami no upgrade run. I believe someone more skilled for the Jingu fight could easily make this a no upgrade run+ but It was not for me. I could not see anyway to make this fight bearable as my healing to damage for Jingu usually had me run out mid way through the ressurection phase and that was on hard with less pressure and a lot of healing heat action abuse. This was mainly due to the first phase as I could not find a consistant way to beat it without equipment and I usually waste 90% of my healing on it if I survive it in the first place. If a more consistant phase one can be found this would easily be done with in No Upgrade Run+ restrictions as I already had a good strategy for phase 2 using Jingu's Laugh manipulation and baiting the colonels attacks and beating them up slowly but surely. This while taking a while is an extremely consitant way to do phase 2 without taking much damage but of course while playing for this long mistakes slowly do happen which is why I usually use up the rest of my healing here. I believe that maybe a better look into the Colonels AI patterns (Attack a leads to attack b or at x distance attack a is most likely to happen) could be the next step to do this battle in No Upgrade Run+ conditions combined with the Jingu Laugh Manipulation but this is where my testing will end for this game. It was a good run only getting annoying for the last 2 chapters and discovering the strategies and AI manipulation is always fun for me. I can only hope someone can find the patience/skill and knowledge to finish the final chapter with no upgrade run+ conditions (No equipment, No accessories, No stored weapons). If there are any questions I would be happy to answer the best I can

STK91 Car Chase Tips Post: forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/56778-tips-for-car-chase-on-legend-difficulty/ I would also recommend watching Raeng's Yakuza NUR+ run which although he only did 7 chapters on hard and used equipment he did not use healing and some of his strategies are really good especially his gambling den fight as he did a mini boss focus strategy using the gambling den entrance which had some desk which funneled the people one by one letting him beat up the mini bosses. Raeng Playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLKz6wVNSUw6HPUMatpxQR8gds-SPZ04Py

After Mirror face dies it is time to focus Ishioda. Ishioda has similar AI to before where he has to be knocked to not counter attack so make sure to only use attack that leave him on the floor. Also if the counter check happens mid air it will count as he is standing so he will initate a counter attack (Adachi's attacks leave Ishioda in the air commonly). Zhao burns his mana with high MP high damage attacks so I can tag in Eri for him to help share the burden of healing. Joon-gi also stay tagged in until he either can not phantom shift anymore or runs out of MP and is then replaced with Adachi. Kasuga should still have quite a lot of MP so he permenatly Tenacious fists Ishioda to constantly whittle him down. Eri and Saeko focus healing aswell as hitting Ishioda on the ground to regain MP when possible. When Ishioda is hit on the floor he will not counterattack unless the game considers him standing when he is hit so make sure react fast if you decide to attack him on the floor. Kasuga also can attack on the floor if he can as it does decent damage aswell as allowing Saeko or Eri to get free hits in by follow ups which regain MP for them. Adachi uses Atlas Hold as his main damage source as it knocks and does decent damage. Only use rolling thrash when he is low on MP (About 45) as if Adachi does not regain MP then the the counter check will happen mid air meaning Ishioda will counter attack so it is always risky to do. It seems that the message that appears when chance based effects happen for Adachi delay the counter check meaning Adachi will not be counterattacked but because it is chance based it is always a risk. Then just before half way make sure to use Mr Masochist as when Ishioda is half hp he will use Malicious grin fearing everyone (chance based) so it helps in making sure no one dies during the fears. Ishioda also gains fearsome countershot which does decent damage and can fear so getting counterattacked is highly not reccomended. Other than that though this phase should go similar to before.

Why do Sotenbori Arena vs Ijincho homeless man farm. Main reason is Ijincho is boring as you have to get to the homeless man to farm them and all other fights give little to no xp. After getting to the farm spot you make about 10,000xp per min whereas the f26-28 farm gives 9,170 on average and can be faster the higher level you are which means it will eventually be more efficient aswell. But if you do not want to do the arena you can continue the other farm as it is still decent. F1-10 Tips Floor 3 has a lot of people which means you need to get a decent charm with Saeko or Eri but you can also Orbital and clear out some people aswell. Floor 5 boss fight is the same strat as the Totsuka's Underlings fight (Focus healer, then dps, then tank) but you are stronger so it is an even easier fight. Floor 10 has some support guys with "Sawashiro" who focus target Saeko (They have Turncoat guys AI focusing girls) which can kill Saeko if you do not perfect guard one of them or make one of them skip a turn. F11-15 Tips Floor 11 is quite hard with Master and Commando doing insane damage, Payback being tanky and doing decent damage and V.I.P's crit bolt. The focus should be on Dark Sweeper as his mysterious prayer is a charge attack that one shots everyone and he is the weakest to take out. Then attack V.I.P or Commando depending on which one is charmed. If you balance aggro on the team you should be fine. Floor 13 has a lot of enemies but with Nanba's Pyro Prison and Kasuga's Orbital most people should be beaten and then just clean up. Floor 14 has Dragon king who can do dragon sweeper which does a lot of damage aswell as both fighters which can do knockout punch. You just have to beat Qigong master and hope Saeko can charm some people or Orbital paralyses people. Then just beat up the people not charmed or paralysed. Floor 15 is the Tiger which is just a lengthy fight it should not be too hard just have Joon-gi shoot it up and then slowly beat it up. I had both Idols as they can alternate healing and attacking to never run out of MP. F16-20 Tips For Floor 16 watch out for Biker boss and Johnny Gale as both do a lot of damage especially biker boss and keep them stunned or manage their aggro to keep your team alive. Floor 18 has a lot of dangerous people that do high damage, so a good charm and Orbital paralysis is needed to have a chance of beating it. Targeting should be Ghillie -> Death Merchant -> Gangsman -> Twisted Mind -> Chinese Mafia Boss -> Tribechief depending on charm/paralysis. Floor 20 "Mabuchi" is quite weak so should be no problem. F21-25 Tips Floor 21 has 2 oneshotters which are the Mascot's Molotov and Noblesse Obesity's Meaty Press so be careful of both therefore, some decent RNG is required to do this fight with only "Strategies" being to try and make them miss turns with charm and paralysis aswell as trying to get Adachi to get Noblesse's Aggro as he will survive Meaty Press but you have to sacrifice quite a bit of damage. Floor 24 has the Scarred Yakuza who is tanky and his Heavens Divide one shots so should be aggro controlled unless charmed. The other 2 do not matter and can be dealt with quite easily. Floor 25 is a DPS test so... I believe you need to farm 21-24 at least once and it can be doable with amazing RNG (A lot of Crit hits and no earthquake or power press) but I recommend farming it twice for less RNG reliance. Floor 26-30 Tips Floor 26 has 2 Geezers (Girl focus AI) so for a girl to survive you need to perfect block twice or you stop one of them from taking a turn. The divers have catch of the day which I believe kills/nearly kills Kasuga or your Idol aswell as pornagra-pharoahs leaky rocket but some decent charms and paralysis should make it easy. I recommend Eri over Saeko as she has higher agility so can lovedrunk earlier so you know who to focus your damage on and not waste your damage. Floor 27 should be fine I recommend targeting Weltraiser -> Forsaken Samurai -> Captain Crunch depending on charm and it should be fine. Floor 28 more enemy spam the best strategy is to have Adachi, Eri and Nanba. Adachi's, Nanba's and Kasuga's AOE to help take out everyone and Eri because she has high agility so should get a turn after 2 enemies attack so can lovedrunk tycoon to reduce some damage you take (Figured out while farming so not done in my completion run) After everyone has 1 turn you should only have 2 people remaining. Leave Munanugget for last and take out the survivor. Then take out Munanugget. High crit attacks are recommended (Joon-gi head trauma, Eri Lucky Punch, Kasuga Dropkick). I believe Munanugget has a ritual that one shots everyone and takes 2 turns to charge but it never happened in any of my runs so I either got lucky or it happens after quite a few turns so should not be a threat. Floor 29 targeting should be Necromancer -> Death Knuckle -> Undertaker -> Arminator. Necromancer can one shot with his instakill attack but it can be blocked with good timing but better for him not to do it so take him out first. Death Knuckle has Knockout punch which can leave Kasuga or Saeko with little to no HP so is the second priority. Undertaker does little damage so should not be a high priority. Arminator does huge damage especially his Disarm attack but he is also tanky so I prefer trying to charm or paralyse him instead of focusing him. Decent RNG required but not too bad. Floor 30 is easy compared to some other floors the most dangerous person being Slaughter King. I do not know engineer king’s attacks as he was charmed to death so could be dangerous, but Inventor is a joke and the weakest amongst the rest. Targeting is Inventor -> Engineer -> Slaughter King. Just be careful and it should be easy. Overall, the Arena was quite easy the worst part being Floor 25 because I had to test it multiple times and Floors 26-30 as they have some of the toughest enemies and required decent RNG for Charm/Paralysis. I never mentioned any floor I thought were quite easy and also never mentioned every little thing I learnt so If there is certain Floors that are difficult I dont mind being asked for tips about them

The heat action is OP Dmg

KUWANA RANT Then you have Kuwana now this is pure RNG it is disgusting how bad this boss fight is based off this alone I know I will heal for him in the finale (Probably all of it). Most of his move set is quite fair but his parry that is truly unbalanced. He has 3 attacks he can do after parrying you: Charging Grab, Charging Knee or his insta elbow INSTA ELBOW. The other 2 can be dodged but his Elbow is horrible unbalanced garbage I truly believe a No damage for him is impossible unless you are the most luckiest person on earth. So why is it instant well what is supposed to happen is he trips you then comes close and elbows you but thanks to the small arena or my aggressive style if he trips me I go literally nowhere and he can just elbow me. If you get tripped and go to max range you can quite easily dodge or parry him as you will have regained control but if not there is LITERALLY 0 outplay you can do just pray to the gods that you do not get the 1/3 chance of the elbow attack in the first place. Of course though it only does 1/3 of your health so you can get hit by it twice right WRONG because he can follow it up with his downwards kick which if you do not spam fast enough or are unlucky enough to fall in an awkward position where no matter how fast you tap you can physically not get up you will be left with 0.0000000001% of your health where anything will kill you. Even worse if you are unlucky enough to hit an object like the many chairs laid around and take a slither of damage it is a one hit KO which is COMPLETELY BALANCED. Now the obvious thing is well just dont get parried idiot well my good friend he has 3 parry opportunities: After finishing his punch punch kick combo (avoidable), after taunting you (avoidable) and IF YOU FUK HIM UP TOO MUCH. Yes you are actually punished for being too good by him parrying you more. Now I may be completely wrong but how it seems to work is your first combo (light light heavy heavy) will hit and he shouldnt parry it (He still does sometimes but fuk do I know why) then if you parry him or just continue hitting him he will be like oh no I dont like getting hit and parrys you. The best countermeasure I have found is stick to a light light heavy heavy combo then DODGE not parry DODGE his attack and repeat. If you parry only do a light and wait. Even then this does not 100% negate his parry but its the best you are going to get. Also for some stupid reason if you interrupt his parry (LIKE HOW DOES THIS EXIST) he goes into his parry stance without glowing sometimes it doesnt activate so you can attack but sometimes it stays active for the full duration without the glow ty game just more icing on the cake. A neat tip is if he blocks your attack he can not parry at all so full combo just do not try to grab as he generally breaks out or parrys last second. Also if you realise he is going to parry on your heavies you can try to aim away from him (tracking sometimes screws you but better to try) or spam dodge to cancel which sometimes works aswell. For his last phase I do not truly know it but light light heavy combo seemed to do well. Then, when he has one bar left do cone, chair, nunchuck, salt shaker and bin heat action (Should deal just under a bar and a half of his health). Still only took an hr and a half which is better than Tesso but Tesso was me just being bad, this was just RNG. The win was not as satisfying as it felt like I got lucky and did decent instead of I got good and truly mastered him.

Kiryu Part The finale is probably one of the best chapters its a perfect mix of fun and difficulty the only problem part being the first fight as Kiryu. To start off finale it is best to have the first bar and most of your second bar of heat (use a item or end Kuze fight with heat) and ideally to be in rush stance (End Kuze fight in rush). Then you skip the first fight by rushing straight for the fat guy holding the sofa chair, avoiding the other mobs and projectile guys, then heat action him in brawler for an insta kill and run past in rush sticking to the right railing and doing 3 dodges near the end (This mostly lines up with the gun guys shooting which can hit you on the way up). Although this fight is doable the grenade thrower and the two gunners can insta kill you leading to some unfair times the best strat for a real fight is to have one gunner focus Nishiki and then taking out grenade thrower before taking out the other gunner then finally taking out the final gun guy. Then you can kill everyone else however you want. If you start with heat run straight for the right gun guy and do beast heat action (or bash off the car if you happen to be close by it) pick up the gun and kill grenade thrower and other gun guy before taking out the others however you want. Both strats are viable the heat action being more consistant but overall skipping the fight is the best. Then the first fight inside the boat focus the gun guy and kill everyone else however you want. Then when the door opens up it is best to try and heat action one of the two gun wielders as the right one sometimes runs in first but heat action whoever you want for some cheap damage and then focus the two gunners before cleaning up the other however you want. You should only use 1 healing pot for both these fights and the skip ideally. Mine went pretty terrible as I got shot twice but I did only use 1 healing pot so I was on track. I refrained from healing in the next fight as I got fairly good at it and knew I could do it with low health. For the fight against Takahashi brawler should be used as rush can not knock him and you should find it fairly easy and depending on how much health you can sacrifice here you can use some objects around in beast aswell. It is also nice to end in heat but not required. Next you fight along the side of the boat the first encounter is a fat guy with a barrel which you can either heat action (if you have the heat) or knock him out like normal. Then the 4 guys on the stairs you can easily bait one at a time by walking close to half way up the stairs and make one of them pass the barrier they seem to make at the top of the stairs which allows you to just combo them until you get heat before throwing them off the ship for some easy kills. Also doable without doing this quite easily with the same general strat but making all of them come down but safer using the strat suggested. Ideally both fights should be done without healing. Then at the double gunners you can heal before running towards them. They will always get one shot off and the best way to dodge it is to see the muzzle flash and then dodge twice or thrice. Then the best strat is to go in brawler and throw one of the gunners (ideally the furthest) off the ship before killing the other or if you have no heat do a quick combo (light heavy or light light heavy if you react fast enough) which should be enough time for the other guy to get prepared to shoot which you dodge and repeat. Ideally the only healing here should be when you are first approaching them but I grabbed the left guy without heat which was a guaranteed shot by the other guy) and then I also did an extra light attack in my combo which meant I could not dodge the gun leading to me using another healing item than necessary. Then against the three mini bosses use all the objects lying around and beast to destroy them. Focus heat actions on one guy if you can to quickly kill you most disliked guy. For me its Ide the fatty who does the running double kick attack and Mori the lanky who does the running flip attack. I mostly focus the fatty as his hyper armor annoys me more than the others. As for healing the best I did was using only one but on average anywhere from two to four is good. Then for the triple gunner the best strat is to wait on the left where they can not shoot you until the walk past the barrier use a pot (for heat and also healing if needed) then grab the first gunner after he passes walk a bit toward the wall where you were hiding and do the wall heat action for the gun and use his gun to shoot the other two. The back up is to throw the first off the ship instead and use the hit one avoid the other strat from before. And the back back up strat if you get shot twice is to use a pot and throw another off the ship and beat the last to death. Ideally only one pot to gain the heat is needed but using 2 is not bad. I ended up using the 2 as I grabbed the first gunner too early so I could not move him to the wall and then I thought hiding behind the fence was enough to save me from the other two gunners. Now you should have at least 2 rows of pots leading into the Shibusawa fight. (Only a row is doable but it makes the Shibusawa fight slower than how long it took me)

Still putting off this evaluation until I'm ready to fully de-rust. Zaser has gone quiet (Cimi seems less than interested in keeping on with this). Zim took a breather with other matters. When the lattermost returns, I'll get to this, I'd think.

A change in scenery to recollect yourself? Good call, overcoming different obstacles could benefit you, to reach your goal.

Any chance of a return to taking on VH PAIN+ ToA W1 or is the matter settled?

>bad luck multi-hit And what of good luck downed i-frames? I'm guessing they ain't offering those this time. >tentacle poke >blockable Was it? She doesn't use it in S4, so I hardly take note of that rare S3/S5 move. >ink is unblockable It is this time. Almost certain death if it lands (as you can only escape by being hit in PAIN+ **not allowed to clone out**). I think it only fires on the left during the transition to S4. During S4 for sure, it only first to the right (making that a safe spot to be). >avoid the chomp It misses a lot of the same area that ink does, so S4 has a pretty large 'safe zone' that acts as a 'semi-sweet spot' (safe most of the time, but not all the time). Roar is not an attack, but Shockwave is (and hits there). >Tissy focus I'll differ to my coverage on Cimi and Bick's runs in the interest of time here (after responding to your notes). If you're done trying to blindly best it, you know what to do. For now, I won't 'spoil'. >Ally focus I'll just use copypasta here. >use t0 Too unsafe in general for S4. Even for Ally focus, I'd be cautious about ever throwing it out despite the double hits being free on her (not so much Tissy). >s1,t1 's,t'? Did you mean 't,s'? >safety versus damage ToA W1 will demonstrate this lesson even more clearly. >don't try to finish the fight while Tissy uses meteors May be for the best. >gets stuff if caught doing her string when scrolled off >activates when back on as with Ally attacking Indeed. Have to mind this well (or you can get in trouble). >only just begun Yes, "trophies" and the infamous 'bonus credit'. I imagine more of the former as you prep for cheat-based practice towards the latter. 0:00 Shockwave always opens up S3 (leftside ink for S4's start **don't recall anything special about S5**). Your run isn't allowing it, but generally I'd advise not keeping the Javelin around (pick it up so you can't get stuck on it **one-time i-frame use ain't worth it with the recovery outlasting them**). Can't bypass S4 and S5 through S3 in these conditions, so time to tough things out (not so bad with focus on Not-Charbie). Double hits are free, so go crazy during the various safe openings, I guess. 0:20 Cut it real close with rage build-up for t0. 1:50 I'm not 100% sure Tissy can be hurt the moment she appears (transitions in GoW:A pull this stuff a lot) despite hit count. This aside, Ally focus is indeed about baiting Tissy's charges (keeping her busy and away) while watching Ally. As noted above, t0 has a place this time. Still better to favor the left for safety (as with not ending during meteors). I don't really recommend being airborne when punishing roar if Tissy is using Meteors (or about to **maybe not even if she is starting up the 4 string**). You don't want the distraction when it can very easily go from roar into Shockwave (which combos in deadly fashion with birb-gurl's tech). My notes talk like ink can't go into roar (don't bet on that double opening). Ink may be timed, so if it has been awhile, expect it (can come after another attack, not just after roar). Sort of hard to spot Shotgun, so be on the look out. Charge's block push can move you into trouble, so if you're guarding rather than avoiding...Just be aware (aside from the tip from before about air blocking if going over it). I still advise favoring t1 as the quick option to interrupt start-up of the 4 string (just to help make Tissy behave even if she isn't your focus for damage **though you should be avoiding her**). Lots of decision making depends on what they are doing (and ultimately, I like acting when I know Ally is stuck doing something **while Tissy is far away or otherwise unable to threaten me** as with bite or ink and less so roar **tempting as it is**). 1:53 Got some of these hits counting now. >goes into S4 Meteors Bitch. 2:04 Risky with how the hitbox can glitch (reaching higher than it ought to). 2:15 We're doing Ally focus, so I just can't get behind slapping Tissy to pass time (outside interrupts that stop her misbehavior). 2:20 Bit too aggressive. Can get you in trouble. Let them show their hand before deciding how to react. Leading can get you caught. 2:30 Overly long punishes during roar are asking for trouble (less so if you can react to and see Tissy is busy not being a threat). 2:37 Enough time for this since both were just starting their moves. A little later and no more than light slaps would be advised (versus t0). 2:43 So long as you recall what they're doing, this was an obvious big opening (Tissy stuck doing the conclusion of Meteor and Ally dedicated to the double bite). 2:51 Didn't give in to the temptation to roll around like crazy. That's good. 2:59 Took a gamble here. If she would have chosen Shockwave, I don't think you would have cleared it while in block stun. 3:11 Off-screening slut... 3:26 Too close during start-up. Not great having to watch for her mix while Ally has a free hand. 3:30 The example of being scrolled back on after pausing... 3:34 Creating a dangerous situation like this. 3:37 Shall I link to your private video? 3:48 Got to be ready for Shockwave set-ups. 3:56 Free damage with Tissy scrolled away, but you need to get the Hell away while watching to see what she'll do next as Ally pans the camera out right after this roar. 4:01 Easy to get caught with a grab in a case like this, but she whiffed. 4:05 Risky business. 4:09 Richly rewarded. Bite and Meteor? Easy enough to air light spam after the second bite finishes. 4:23 Now for an easy repeat. 4:27 So leftside ink was the transition into S5, too. Noted.

>lure away Spartans Not having them interfere does help (however one can manage that). >bait and punish charge with t0 Sounds fine. >switch sides when crowed Right, right. >infinite pool Correct. >gone for a bit Not long enough. Better to have them trailing than spawning near us. >best to keep away Easier if you don't want to fret with tracking the adds, too (at any rate). >breath I imagine you might have learned about it being UB on your own here. >jump the charge Too risky as it starts to hit in the air during Furies 2 (I at least air block if trying this). I'd rather strafe it. >meteors are blockable They are not. They hit in the air for this fight's S1, but in all other cases they don't hit in the air. >blockable ink Just not blockable outside S2 (got to love it). >first try Thus not knowing that restart bugs it out (no need for EoT). 1:50 Mostly the same as our first solo fight, but with the illusory distractions that accompanied Maggy previously. The major change being meteors behaving differently this one time (making punishment of the move tougher). Need to avoid landing s4a (not that it has much merit in terms of stun **worthless here** or damage) as it fills a lot against Ally/Tissy (and during S3-S5 it is a full refill). The moment she drops orbs, you have ~20s before she'll fuck off into S2 (alternatively, deal around ~20DMG to make her leave sooner). 2:07 Double hit while going in deep. Hard to say what is best between cornering her (harder to manage in PAIN+) and being cornered. Perhaps the latter here as you can use attacks through her to fend off others to an extent, but it is still probably safest to just work either (or mid) while slipping out when crowded. 2:10 Hate to see a whiff. 2:13 Then some more. Being right above you accounts for this. During S4, I'd noticed she has some i-frames during Meteors, so you can punish her like normal, except not everything is going to count (I'd already gone over your theory about the crash with talk of how this might be related). 2:38 Too bad for her she can't YEET her illusions or empower them like Mags. 2:57 Saw this coming when you kept at it (rather than canceling into a block **or at least changing course to evade her**). 3:02 Not able to read and punish her just yet, eh? Could have waited on the grab for the hop to air punishment. 3:10 Shotgun suffers from its high vantage point. 5:25 Desire to evade blockables came back on you again. 6:17 What's it going to be? Damage or time? Given this is PAIN+, better not to try for the former at all. Just run down the clock. **seconds later** Just left, eh? GoW:A, please. The irregularities are absurd. 6:52 Dealing with that in NBR+ NUR+ took a bit of exploration. Don't want to eat a hit from it in this run as the damage plus letting it hit you again is likely death (and we are not permitted OSoO to escape, so that's how it is if caught). 7:03 Have to use EoT (can't be helped). Didn't realize it could be used from so far away on this target, but then it isn't exactly super advantageous to do so. 7:06 Crap hurtbox/hitbox interaction. Singles for days. Can be tough even on the other (and both are too tanky **especially the second one**). With this being a single all the time (for S2P1), you should factor that in for dps. Probably better to not go for 6 (might be faster to spam lights with cancels **or just use the air version**). 9:22 Bottom-left position makes most attacks whiff (just the first part of double slam will hit if positioned right). Double hits work better here, at least. 9:31 ...But still a lot of singles can result. 10:34 Got one.

>off-screen Not scurry? For me, I had a time when I could draw one to the boundary while the other just taunted, but another run saw them not behaving this way. Whatever the cause for the AI change, it is a thing. Leaves one with just drawing in (charge), blocking, launching (when safe) into OH to toss away (and repeat). Terrible (for lack of RO). I doubt it is reasonable to even attempt building up stun here. >may have scrolled them off during an attack Almost certainly the case. Doesn't explain my experience, however. 0:00 Yet another fine checkpoint. 1:44 I forgot this shit's AoE DoT hits well into the air aside from being unblockable. Silly. 3:11 Caught during the dedicated part of T. Classic. 5:35 >goes off-screen during start-up >just continues the move right back on-screen >without being scrolled back on kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYm7Zpeoprd3b9Um14s 5:46 Time to take the remaining harlot to the cleaners. 5:54 Amusing. If she would more regularly do this while other behaved, you could get a stun state, but it isn't like it matters given how the invisible wall works here (cannot dump her for RO). Fun use of it for repeated t0, at least.

>notable moments imgur.com/a/aPn7EHy >W3 screwjob after good W2 >get through with sloppy W2 i.pinimg.com/originals/7e/89/5d/7e895d3e08d00f1cde09696d23750f18.png >this one had NUR+ before it, but intentionally got slapped around to match the PAIN showing Noted. Looks like you're starting at 20HP. 0:40 Going up to 70HP (patch confirmed). Don't know how the glitched mount insta-kill works for the Amazon/Harpy team, so I can't really advise it (as I'm sure you don't, either). If not able to use RO on the Amazons (we lack knockback options in PAIN+ and the invisible wall will not allow floating **not absolutely sure juggling them by the background wall into variation provocations won't cause them to touch the insta-kill wall like how WE can**), then it becomes about direct damage. Not sure how reasonable it is to aim for dizzy with t0 landing on the taunt (whilst exploiting the boundary) over and over until you can close the gap on gold halo for tossing them at the edge. Don't feel like going for juggle lock is super likely with the narrow walls (wouldn't be able to keep them against the invisible wall long). It is certainly simplest to just reverse repeatedly with t1 and such as punishment. To that end, I might recommend splitting them up at the start (while also getting rid of the harpies via OS for RO). Once one dies, maybe you can juggle for a bit to speed things along. Perhaps use t1 wall bound punish strats. 0:50 Already turning unfortunate. 1:06 Nice toss, slut. 1:25 Now: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZbFiqtmhJZ7jdU NOTE: Time to skip ahead after a bunch of boring reversal gameplay. Can't be helped. 2:01 So it begins. 2:10 You said it. 2:23 Good thing this obnoxious grab doesn't have the random half circle input. That one really jacks people up under pressure. 2:53 So that's how you ended up with invisible health (until W3's heal). 7:08 What is this? About 10HP off each OS kill on an Amazon? Anyway, time for another Electric Talos. As you say, have to mind the hazard (only affects us). I like working the center, but I know the bottom jet can't hit you if flush. Don't think it would be wise to work the background given the weird death wall (even if the jet isn't flush). Best when you can see things coming at you. Don't want it in rage state when you need room to clear out (and should close in to trigger the rage move when you are ready to pick the AoE's location). 7:25 Ah, yes. Birbs. So easily forgotten. 8:18 He's pushing you back a bit too quickly. Might be good to create distance and turtle up at a boundary, but then the final jet is about to go out, so whatever. 8:46 Not taking chances with it (having to block flare-up, move to the other side as rage attack goes off, move in to set it off once more and going back to work). 8:56 How very cautious. Appropriate given how much of a pain in the ass it is to get back here even with just NUR+ (lots of time wasted). 9:04 Got a good feel for his limitations, I see. 9:20 Not comfortable with fighting while the jet is active there, eh? Understandable. 9:49 Indeed you've got a sense for when he'll flare up. 9:58 What is this cheap shit? It only did one, then flared down (hurting you). At least you didn't die. 10:20 Plenty of time. 10:56 Blows that I couldn't RO this loser (have to settle for reversal spam **and wall spikes are just decorations to them**). Wraiths are to be worked by the boundary, launch one during taunt into OH, bait the burrow away from the other (left taunting or uselessly attempting a summon **not open to launch, but free hits are good** and begin the usual handling along the boundary for 1v1 (kill them all this way). 11:16 Back roll strikes again. 12:14 Good opening set-up, but blowing the opening launch sort of squandered it. 12:39 >testing if walls will fuck you through guard ww5.fmovie.sc/online/constantine-2005/watching.html/?ep=10 **time is 1h19m56s** 13:18 Tether saved you from further embarrassment here. Nerves getting to you or something? 13:24 >lost the loop immediately Hey, alright. 13:38 Got him burrowing, now to get him away from the other while working the boundary. 13:46 Really playing it close to the chest here... 14:00 Glad to see you last second nabbing this fucker. Time to wrap things up. 14:06 This looks about right. 14:14 But not quite. Still a little too close. 14:35 Should just be making enough distance for the taunt, then circling back the moment you confirm it.

0:00 Just a fantastic checkpoint. Love it. 0:28 Nicely placed. A bit strict on yourself lowering PAIN+ to PAIN for this as all rules are off until W1 concludes, so you could have gone hard with NUR+ (you don't have the Shield, but you could still use options beyond uppercuts as with rage bombs/dumps for dizzy/lock **aside from Items, other elements, etc.**). My talks with Cimi and Bick pretty well cover all that. The practice session with Cimi for PAIN+. If we're really pretending this is PAIN...Well, on with it then. 0:45 This is what you mentioned. When given a free hand after petrifying you, they will do their taunt, then the grab as a charge before canceling into the sweep. Some small value exists with perhaps using this to pull HG4 while SS1 and SS2 bombard you, but it can be tough to safely execute something like that without getting your ass blown off (or shattered). This would just add another way to kite her away from back-up during ToA PAIN+. 1:20 For now this feels like PAIN+. Wish it was air lights, but whatever. 2:06 A distinctly PAIN moment. 3:44 Using it to draw her to the corner (rather than moving along the boundary while closing in on her **making one taunt, but the other attack**). 7:26 Decent transition (and about to use petrification to pull the new girl in). 10:55 Easier to pull off early RO if damage killing a near death HG1/2 and HG3 (given how sirens spawn on your location **be near the rails**). Without that, in PAIN, you should probably just build meter with Fire lights so you can dump on a siren and begin the loop. Simple stuff. Without that, you have to scout out openings for uppercut (or suffer PAIN+ options). 10:59 Nicely placed, but... 11:02 They can taste your desperation... 11:05 And wish for your suffering from PAIN+ practice sessions to continue. 11:13 Good that you didn't go by visual cues (remembering invisible bolts before they finished you off). 11:29 Lay it on her. 11:34 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqqsfn6fjNWXi5Y 16:33 SS3 down. One remaining. 16:41 SS4 down. None remain. HG4 is alone. Time to hit her (and prove you're right). 17:07 When 1v1 with a gorgon, you can do better than the usual chip (as I explain to Cimi). Dump and build meter while she is stunned (locking her down). She's had plenty of time to talk. Now it is time she listened. 18:44 What are we going into W2 with? 10HP or 60HP? Depends on whether you have the patch or not, I suppose.

0:00 GoW:A coming at you with another amazing checkpoint. 0:10 NUR+ used lights and perfect blocking his blockables before evading his flamethrower to keep on him. This avoided birthing. PAIN+ tried the same, but with t1. Not sure if I could have avoided birthing had it been lights, but otherwise it was the same approach. Anyway, this is phase 2 from encounter 1 all over again, but in a smaller space with much more HP (than the sum of both parts). If you get spawns, just get them away form it and OS spam before getting back to it. 0:13 Double hit. How promising. 0:28 At least this shit isn't an attack. 0:40 All it takes is having done enough damage and letting him have a free hand (seemingly not just keeping him using flamethrower after melee). If it is roaring to give openings, you should expect birthing later. 1:00 Impressive whiff. 1:09 And again. 5:52 Backroll dicked you down once more. 6:12 At least this didn't hit you. Unfortunate going into ToA with such low HP (makes you dependent on death exploiting).

2:04 Optional fight as you note. Solving the puzzle can create a checkpoint (helps with when you get to the sirens). Non-summoned Phantoms are low HP. Summoned ones are altered by restart for some reason. Just t0 them from the boundary. Cap gets normal 1v1 from boundary. Same for wraith. Can't stop the summon, so just have to deal with it if RNG doesn't favor you. Create the checkpoint and use the crystal to block siren bolts for that t0 strat of yours (for dizzy antics **rather than chipping them down**). Sadly, too much space between chests to trap a siren behind it (with the block). Would have allowed some 1v1. Whatever. 4:50 Pity we cannot bring a Siren up to the higher platform (with something like air OS to bait its counter **warping to that spot**) and then again to the next one to have 1v1 (another cheap tactic denied). I still say the bolt from a siren should spark on the thing for an AoE blast (stun/damage). 13:55 Certainly the time to cheese it. 15:10 Now for the main course. Just have to find an opening for the usual wraith handling prior to the t0 stunning (and lockdown).

0:58 Dogs are a gimme. Grunts should be T'd into OH into the pyre (though t0 for stun to BR toss or armor break into toss work, too). 2:16 Pity one wasn't on a divider. 3:33 The usual for flare up, then have it dump itself in the fire. Same as before with the riff-raff. If you get another Talos, definitely have it on a divider when the thing gives out (for RO). 4:20 Going to be a chipping affair, then. 6:13 Such good boys. 7:16 >one grunt didn't fall >and a Talos spawned after the bell kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6rEnKWippuhg6Mm25s

>get rid of all grunts first I recommend being rid of projectile users for sure, but using them against the Juggs is best for speeding things along. Just have to beware the second shield wave that spawns in the same spot all the time (don't be there and you should be safe from a sudden grab outside your control). 0:03 Same spot I used. Really pushing it to the limit with the stripping (on the next one **rather than setting up another assuredly safe opening**). Once the shields are handled, I'd be wanting to just kill off the slingers (RO). 0:39 They must die (the roll catching gets worse when the camera pans out later). Didn't expect the toss for a RO. Cute. 0:47 No idea why they keep making them charge and attack thin air. Anyway, I'd be wanting to use the grunts on them while being ready for the shield wave after killing a few (starting with the slingers). If too hard for you to keep them around, RO until the next wave (really desirable to have them after besting shield wave 2, so might want to toughen up there). 0:58 ...See? 1:02 Right...we're still doing this. 1:40 Bold. 2:50 Part of why you don't want to hang around this spot after too many kills. 3:09 Well demonstrated. 4:04 I imagine this gave you a fright. 4:12 Frightfest over here. 4:32 Now for the boring chip. So long as their charge isn't tripped on objects, you can just let them tucker out and go for 's,s,t' into air lights (and repeat). Can use 1v1 once two are dead.

0:00 Better to not trip the birth of spawns until after the Cyclops is gone (not even really worth using it on them should it stagger). No RO option, but you can still work the boundary. Not necessary. Just chip it down with the normal 1v1. When it dies, kick the Spawns over the cliff by the chest. Lame to lack neat options like if we could take the thing into the red hot gate (too big for that even if it were open) and dump molten material on it for big damage. Perhaps let us lead it away and just pull the platform (and blow it off). 14:10 Cimi has an opening that is more in line with what I advise (getting some slinger rung-out early). Isolating HG in the bottom left (air lights) suits me more than boundary abuse for t0 chip. Save that stuff for slingers (then use dizzy to BR splat them). 15:30 Much better. 20:00 So it begins. 23:38 I prefer to trigger them all and RO at the foreground, myself. Thought I recalled you kicking them into each other for a mass RO. 24:07 >struggling with basic platforming this far in Muna, please. 26:15 Seems like Toss focus ends up being better than WB to OH this time.

2:30 Shield pull, WB to OH the taste from the Cap's mouth, kill it the usual way and 1v1 strats for its spare. Shame the stun state on them is so worthless. Really no interesting options to speed this up by much (other than tossing the grunt around).

1:00 As mentioned earlier, OSoO Trial has perhaps the worst recognition of fulfilling the forced usage. 2:58 As before, could be asking a lot of yourself to get the Amazon away from the Mongrel to focus on her, get an opening allowing a launch and scoring the RO (or dizzying her to that end). Easier with the Mongrel dead and getting it away from her isn't hard. Then again, not hard to dizzy it for mounting (then killing delicious brown that way **along with the mutts**). Hounds are easily RO'd with mid-range kicks (too close and they'll get stuck on some invisible lip at the cliff). RO on the Mongrel is something for you to attempt to figure out (if you give up, refer to my explanation to Bick about it). I believe the usual start is to get rid of hounds first. 3:13 Did you a favor (RO on pup). Wish it was able to do that on the Amazon. 3:45 >Launch, you bitch Blue Tat Gurl: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bp-nhWmYmNF1rK8 8:06 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYSkoXh3ha90hasm 14:44 OSoO isn't needed, but it takes an exploit to not use it as intended, so it is fine for PAIN+ (in this application). I believe I describe how to Bick. Going all the way to the top while fighting isn't super hard (while working boundaries and being ready to de-cast and recast). Once there, it is easy enough to t0 for stun on a grunt (then BR into splat). With armor breaks, you could use them on the statue (WB to OH **though maybe Tether slaps for stun build-up would be a wise call, too**) or each other. With them gone, normal Talos handling. Another option is letting the platform go down to the 'bottom' to kill off all the fauns, then go back up to trigger Talos. Killing it below shouldn't cause issues, but if you take it to the top, expect another wave of fauns after it dies. Then there is the way you found with going to the true bottom (no flame walls and can even leave the arena). 15:28 That their grab is an on-hit type is weird, but makes up for denying us the hazard harming them (not so much it being rock solid **can't go through it, but it can't be used for BR wall splat**). Really dislike that they lack weight (even the Talos). 15:39 Cut it close for very little bonus damage (basically irrelevant). 16:02 Caught you trying to get away from the flame. 16:27 As if not easiest enough in there, had to take the poor bastards outside their leash point. 19:56 Not going all the way down this time? 22:22 Taunt and punish. How very dirty. 24:18 Odd. I don't recall pure 'low' strats producing another wave. No matter.

0:30 Like Maggy, Tissy's string can just be as simple as lights in the gaps before 's,s,t' (depending on the ender). Both t0 and t1 at the start-up will interrupt the 4 string. Shotgun will whiff when close enough, but otherwise best to evade. I don't believe just strafing is good enough, it hits in the air and goes through guard (despite air block no-selling it). If the 4 string ends with the grab, just hop into air lights over it (into ground t1 **might catch her starting up another**). Air state can flap (block and t1 punish) into charge (chase down for 's,s,t'). That or Meteors (low enough to hit with a ground string **and they don't hit while you're in the air**). Mid-range strats aren't as strong without the Shield, but you can still bait her charge and punish with 's,s,t'. Lots of circle strafing at tip range and punishing with t0 (then watching to see what she picks next). Shotgun might be beyond full punishment like this. Based on the description, you opted out of CQC. 0:35 About as far into her first attack as you can go before hyper armor would set in. 0:40 Save by the whiff twice (not blockable). She needs to learn her own range. 0:44 A third time in a row? What a noob. 0:54 We planning on 's,s,s' punishing her for max safety (stretching this out)? 0:58 Ah, good (shame about single though). 1:04 That's more like it. 1:12 Trot around into air lights. Suits me. 1:20 Should have punished her twice here, however. 1:40 Just looking to reset after these recoils, eh? 2:17 When cornered like this, you could try getting daring with 't,s,t' (if she doesn't react to t1, cancel after s2). 2:27 Works better to strafe this charge. You can leap over it pretty reliably (for now), as I recall. 2:54 Managed to clip her. 3:04 Why did you release early? Forget it wraps around her after the charge multi-hit ends? 3:11 Confident twice in a row about the spacing with this view? Balls of steel. 4:30 If properly luring blasts away, the ground light string is an option, but it isn't a huge boon in PAIN+ thanks to how nerfed s4a is (compared even to s6). 5:42 As you opt to, it is best to just let Damie Maggy open herself up and punish that while keeping away from Tissy. You could target Tissy (as with getting her between you and Maggy) for t0 chip, but you run the high risk of switching the AI into the alternative mode where the team attack becomes tossing Maggy and Tissy favors her solo moveset (charging a lot) rather than just trying to grab over and over (know that getting caught by this grab will also change the AI). Given their HP is not shared and they have the same amount with just taking down one ending the fight, going after the safer of the two to beat on is sensible. No point in going hard during possession as Maggy is invincible until it ends. Same for the transition into the next bit (and her inside the barrier **obviously**). NOTE: There is a bug for Maggy to use her solo moveset for a bit, but I forget how it works (not like you'd want that). 5:53 Ideal punish (don't think there is time enough for x2 't,s,s,t'). Just something to repeat. Maybe t0 chip from range while waiting. 6:18 A bit close to Tissy with this set-up (could interfere with punishment). 6:41 Rare whiff. 7:01 Right idea, but cutting it close. 8:36 Yes, luring her away and letting her whiff before going in for Tissy punish is best (though you can pull a stunt like keeping close with both while making her whiff, I don't suggest it **more for showing off**). Her being lower in position 2 (right) and 3 (center) is odd. Why have them differ from position 1 (left)? 10:00 Slightly stronger punish like this. 10:06 Close shave. 10:16 Not quite the ideal from before. Landing it would be worth 21 versus the 13.5 (air series). 10:32 Went in too early, so the air version would probably have been better. 10:48 Would have been it if her body hadn't given out first. 10:59 Close, but I don't know that you can reasonably expect to lure Maggy far enough away for the last t0 (sadly, I don't believe you can just hop over the overhead **reaches too high**). 11:13 The move ain't unblockable. Could have just defended, then trotted around until evading (or having a momentum air block into trot) into your approach (with Maggy further away and Tissy just starting to open up). 11:38 Almost BICK'd yourself. 11:51 You already know.

>so hard Just a learning experience. Once you know what's what, it really isn't asking a lot unless you're using a bad approach (making skill a factor). >broke the rules The rules were broken by game design. The only workarounds (almost certainly not intended) wouldn't let you escape without violation in PAIN+. Just how it is. NOTE: This part always takes too long to go over, so I'll pull up my comment on Cimi's video to help (possibly with copypasta). 0:09 Why give this hive x10 HP? Feels like a silly oversight (extra zero). 2:13 Spamming t0 is likely the safest bet (while watching for their super armor team attacks). Just need to take out 4 to end S1. Shame dizzy ain't a factor for Spartans. Not really getting the feeling double hit will happen with them, so maybe other dps options can be better, but zoning is easy street. Maybe DJ towards them into air lights after their team attacks mass whiff? 2:25 Nicely defended. 3:24 More fun to block this. That aside, time to spread damage around before S3 (so you can kill them quickly **when they can't respawn**). Wise to rush her position at the start so the extra Spartans spawn there, then move back to the foreground while pulling her away from her adds. Working corners (with Maggy) until pressured out by Spartans (though Maggy does well to knock them back/away) into a side switch is one way. Maybe stick to the corner and leap into air light punishment. I just kept it simple with t1 (knocking her away). Need to recall whiff/hit rules for the melee string (if it whiffs it ends, but if it even hits allies it continues). Don't trigger her counter (let up when she blocks). Best punish after blocking her string might be 't,s,t' (if not, 's,s,t' suffices). Can't really go for this with back-up too close, of course. Got to mind rage, too. 4:29 Got to love her grab (zero damage, but uses up all your meter **which is nice, just that I don't like how the reversal does nothing to her, but in exchange activation is just for show**) whiffing while in the top-left/right. Takes a little more set-up in other positions. 5:22 Surprised you didn't eat shit for this one. Pure t0 chip is also a thing, but I'm not big on repeated singles. 5:45 Nice continuous session of taunt provoking keeping Spartans at bay while freely landing t0 doubles. 6:21 Time to start working the remnants over (so S3 isn't cluttered unnecessarily). More of the same would be fine with them gone. Amusing that she can throw them (even damages them), but wish it was a faster kill. She flops at the start and at one-third HP remaining. I believe it is here that I stop recommending air punishment owed to inconsistent hit boxes (sometimes higher than they ought to be). Her canceling moves into other things is a bother. If not fussing over rage, you could s1 between hits in her string before punishing (s,s,t if not too high on rage). Not all that different from the previous bout, really. 6:24 Shame about eating a poke. 6:28 Cutting it close with this push to clear the distractions in timely fashion. 6:34 Seems you'll be opting out of eliminating minions as Cimi had. 6:44 Bit slow to get your guard up here. 6:54 What is this Trickster shit? 6:57 You going to take her invite to switch sides OR kill off her help while she sits this out? 7:11 Wasteful. 7:25 We just going with 's,s,s' punishes this time? All the more reason to have been punishing between her strikes (just that you're playing by different rules). 8:50 Had you been laying into her with lights, this would be a welcome sight, eh? 10:10 She likes bounding around or grabbing after being blown away (as with when struck with t1 in a neutral state). 10:15 I imagine you can safely air light spam as she attempts to wrap the corner in a case like this. 10:57 If it weren't for the fucking cancel, this would be an easy read for air light punishment. 11:21 Almost done. 11:36 At least their numbers thinned a bit. 11:41 A respawn? That isn't supposed to happen. 12:29 Don't see that too often. 14:04 What an insane time loss. 14:41 Respawns would normally kick in again here as the game wants you to kill them for RNG chance at a Javelin drop. I'll skip detailing the means around using Javelins, but it is worth noting that S4P1 and S4P2 have 9HP with S4P3 just being about landing '3 hits'). Javelins play by different rules, so it is 4 for P1, 6 for P2 (so one set will take care of both if you don't miss) and 8 for P3. Still hate that the bugs can't be tossed at her and they try so hard to force the projectile toss. 14:55 Right, right, right. You still have the forced WW pick-up from before the x2 Electric Talos fight. This would let you burst through P1 and P2, at least. 14:58 Should have pulled the breaks. Cost yourself some time. 15:58 Seems you have better luck than Cimi. You've got two, so you can wrap this up for sure. 16:04 ...I had no idea they timed out. That is SHIT. Mind you, should have tossed your load at her and gotten the next one, but even then the leftover would be a rushjob. Garbage. I expected a limit to how many are out at once, but NOT a time limit. 16:09 Got another, but I expect your leftover to be gone before you use it, too. 16:27 >got the older one first Good, good. 16:43 Delay of game strats paid off for them (again): kzbin.info/www/bejne/ape9l3h8qtJ9eLcm45s 17:15 Fun for style, but bad for practical use (discard on last toss **as it just uses what you have left rather than ignoring that factor**). 17:50 When you have enough and they are already down on numbers, better not to kill the last (preventing new respawn wave).

0:30 Would be tough to quickly RO the Amazon without AoU or a way to rapidly dizzy her (as setting up a launch even with boundary abuse for taunt with Centaurs around probably won't happen until you at least get them stuck). More typical to reverse spam until they die. I tend to save working the wall with chests for NGR+ NUR+ with nuking (via Shield Plume with CP glitch). Mind you, it is best to RO the centaurs as I describe to Bick. With the Amazon left alone, RO on her won't be much trouble (even floating works **don't need to dizzy for gold halo at the cliff**). 0:35 >single >at this range Pathetic. 0:55 HERP DERP 5:06 Cheeky cunt was waiting. 5:10 How did you let that one hit you? 5:30 Yeah, it can't RO, but at least it sets up RO.