Saw that the plane is owned by your investment co. Do you use it for biz? Any sources you can point me to related to smart structuring of a plane purchase?
@ivoryjohnson466210 күн бұрын
When you spent the hard dollars and still feel good afterwards that's the best feeling
@falcon12711 күн бұрын
GREAT PAIN JOB!
@Deyo9913 күн бұрын
Just got into aviation so I'm not very familiar with everything. But when lease back of a plane and if you're "making" money, is this considered a taxable income? Is the plane registered under a LLC or personally under your name?
@imawoodgrain20 күн бұрын
Unit Weight: 107 lbs
@fernandaepics228621 күн бұрын
Good video. Thanks. But I do need a PDF of this plan! I m starting now, and will buy my first airplane and that leaseback is for sure the perfect solution to me. I am at Brazil now. I have 8 cats, and to buy a airplane is the unic acceptable solution to me that I can move from here to a other country with them. I think I can do that agreement with the school even before to get the airplane for two reasons: first here have a lot of taxes, and I want to prove not being importing a airplane, and yes being catcher by the airplane and the pilot for to move out from Brazil. So that airplane will be mine but at a other country. Second, its a great deal zero costs and plus to make a money . I think a school that have their own engineer and they do a checkout for me before to give me my airplane to fly, is a better contract to me. And I will to put cameras inside and outside and will to monitor that use by these.
@SergioOjeda200125 күн бұрын
How’s your business going now? Every lender I’ve contacted limit hours for flight club use. Have you found lender that does not? I’d like to get your input.
@anthonyr.hodgson9988Ай бұрын
I bought this at Lowe’s for 1099
@iyona14granturismogt6gtspo7Ай бұрын
Will it fit in the back of an Suv?
@iyona14granturismogt6gtspo7Ай бұрын
That title is exactly my question!!
@larryblanks6765Ай бұрын
Guy did a great job on your Twin Comanche, Beautiful Bird!
@BuildTimeMCАй бұрын
How much did the plane itself cost?
@savagecubАй бұрын
Just another reason to go experimental !
@MuhamadZahin2 ай бұрын
Hi mike I'm new to your channel and tbh i love your content . Would like if you post more videos of your aircraft .
@RaceMentally2 ай бұрын
I have many planes in this set up. You need to treat it like a rental. That’s it nothing else. Reliable and CFI that wants to fly your plane. That’s it nothing else. Fill it up with time and CFIs.
@karaayers28672 ай бұрын
One of the aircraft at the flight school I just finished up at has a never-ending stack of new tires in the hangar. Probably goes through 2 sets a year or more.and a never-ending revolving list of small INOP items. They get treated like rentals. So you have to ask yourself, do you want to be a seasoned pilot that's always got your airplane in use, in maintenance, or down for repairs. And when the weather is nice and you'd like to fly, so does everyone else so you're essentially living in a renter pool. Its just not for me if I can only own 1 airplane.
@gmonnig2 ай бұрын
On time and on budget? Has never happened in all the airplanes I've owned. Got tired of it and bought an experimental.
@Nater362 ай бұрын
I could smell the water through the video.
@xinzhangli83242 ай бұрын
Thanks you, very informative video. I am about to start a lease back with my flight school. They are all DA40 fleet. They have 2 currently. One thing I am still thinking is, when it comes to the training. Do I use my airplane or I use their plane? Using their plane is basically pay 20% of the rental rate. Using my plane, I am paying the actual operating cost and losing the ability to make money(the hours for other renter to rent my plane). Have you thought about this? This sound counterintuitive that use their plane is actually cheaper than using my plane.😂
@enigma64822 ай бұрын
So I'm not looking to make tons of money if I were to go this route, but I am looking to offset costs or make enough money to cover future maintenance issues. With that said, how much control and flexibility do you have with your aircraft's use? Can you cap the total number of hours it can be used in a month? Could you arrange for it to not be used as a base trainer aircraft and only used for things like IFR and complex aircraft training?
@honchohuze1693 ай бұрын
Where is the airplane at 2 years later now? I just bought my Archer to leaseback to a school. 😊
@davidlevitz31193 ай бұрын
Beautiful job and great design ! BEST IVE EVER SEEN !
@lsbzcuz3 ай бұрын
Do you need to stop to turn off the engine with you stop spraying?
@philodonoghue30623 ай бұрын
Another reason you’re obviously authoritative is that Les Paul and …? leaning against the wall in the background 🎸👍🏼
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree3 ай бұрын
That's a Taylor Acoustic. You may also have caught a glimpse of the Tobias 5-string bass back there, too.
@philodonoghue30623 ай бұрын
Whoa! Slow the bloody cursor down!
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree3 ай бұрын
Sorry.. I don't like to assume folks will take the time to actually read everything on the screen. More of a, "trust me, it's in here" type thing. :)
@honchohuze1694 ай бұрын
Thanks! Great video. Keep them coming.
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree3 ай бұрын
More to come!
@shawnrivard60184 ай бұрын
Great looking plane and fun to fly!
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree4 ай бұрын
Thanks, Shawn!
@rwellford15 ай бұрын
Beautiful job and great design. Well done Mike. The Comanche’s classic design and this paint job make it look like it just rolled off a factory assembly line yesterday.
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@davidgosnell80785 ай бұрын
What insurance company do you use?
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree5 ай бұрын
Starr has been the carrier on almost all of the policies I’ve been a part of.
@matiengatkuoth19906 ай бұрын
I'm from South Sudan 🇸🇸 and I have just started my aviation company last month and I have been wondering how I can rent a small plane and how much does it cost?
@eugenealiongo138818 күн бұрын
Hello Matiang, did you find the info?
@NotthesingerChrisMartin6 ай бұрын
I’ve jumped into this by accident but I feel lucky. Would love to pick your brain and learn if you’re willing to share. I’m hoping you still check your KZbin Channel.
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree6 ай бұрын
Hi Chris. Yeah, I’m happy to share. Let me know how you want to connect.
@NotthesingerChrisMartin4 ай бұрын
Would still love to connect. Phone is 480 area then 341 and finally runway 5483. Hoping this doesn’t get removed since I tried in code.
@farghus6 ай бұрын
Love the video. Think I heard your based out of Va also. Question- how did you go about finding the other party to do the lease back with?
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree6 ай бұрын
I was already a student at this flight school so it made immediate sense to work with them. I was paying to use someone else's plane - why not mine?
@hunterf.7777 ай бұрын
Ok so you own the plane.. I would like to do this if possible to pay for the loan on a plane to eventually own it. Can you do this? Also why flight school lease backs and not rent for private flights?
@Sniper_Man_Clips7 ай бұрын
Hey, So I want to fly a diamond DA 50 but way way to expensive for a 18 year old what do I do will that aircraft be able for me to lease my plane?
@favbal24507 ай бұрын
Very nice upgrades to this day! I got a question for you. On the leaseback you have, do you rent it out at the same price point as the other less advanced aircraft? I know you said in one of your other videos that you scheduled your training on your plane the same way as the other students. So would you schedule it for a set time when you wanted to take it on a long vacation as well? Also, who set the terms and wrote out your agreement for the leaseback? Thank you
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the questions, favbal2450. My rental price was at a similar price point to the others, so as to keep the activity strong. I scheduled the same as others, and if wanted to take it a long trip the same would apply. I don't think I ever took it for more than 2 nights on a trip -- so it wasn't an issue. The terms of my original agreement were provided by the school, the same as others before me. Over time, I've managed to tweak the terms in ways that I wanted, but it was after establishing a relationship with the school(s).
@MuzixMaker8 ай бұрын
Half the value of the entire airplane
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree8 ай бұрын
I’m sorry; are you saying this airplane was worth ~$50k? Tell me you don’t own an airplane without telling me you don’t an airplane.
@MuzixMaker8 ай бұрын
@@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree I know prices are inflated, but I looked to put in a 530 and new CDI and antenna a few years ago, was $15k without any other work. Can’t understand why it would take two full working weeks for a relatively simple install. Avionics shops gouge. My PA28 was probably worth 35. Needless to say I use FF and VORs.
@ozelot2508 ай бұрын
I own a bonanza c35 I don’t think I can justify paying the ultra uber high prices for modernizing to modern avionics but I can dream😂. For the rest of you I guess that taking out a second or third mortgage is well worth it!
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree8 ай бұрын
It's certainly not cheap!!
@Dave-df1vu8 ай бұрын
wow tha tis not bad at all. i just spent 260 grand on a glass panel on my 81 414 and took them 7 months
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree8 ай бұрын
Yeah, those cabin class twins always find a way to make everything more expensive, don’t they?
@hanshoffmeyer82589 ай бұрын
math makes about zero sense. You basically are getting paid, but it goes to 100 hour inspections, etc... he mentions adding value such as a 172 with a g1000 but a decent one used goes for about 260K so when you throw the cost of the plain itself in the mix, it is a total loss leader. Anyone who says they are making money doing a leaseback is (in my opinion) ignoring a lot of the numbers.
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree9 ай бұрын
With all due respect, as someone who has been doing this for years now, the math does make sense. IF, you have a good fit. A $260k plane will almost certainly struggle to make money, but I’m not taking about anything like that, as the video describes.
@hanshoffmeyer82589 ай бұрын
I would love to see detailed number. I have a lot of clients that don't view all of the number so remain positive. Did you do a NVP (net present value) or IRR (internal rate of return) of the investment. Would you care to share your P&L, balance sheets and cash flow statements? FYI, when someone says "with all due respect" everyone know that you are actually calling other person an idiot. @@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree
@hanshoffmeyer82589 ай бұрын
another way to look at is by is the hour. For ever you rented you have to put in $18 for upcoming inspections (every 100 hours), fuel $49, oil $3.5, insurance (hull $14 for only $80K so for a 250K plane you could estimate this to be about $50), reserve's for maintenance $20. So say the school is renting this at $165/hour and the school gives you a 80/20 split that leaves you with 132 gross profile per hour when your expenses are 132. That dos not include the financing of the plane at say 9%. This is whey you do the NVP and IRR mentioned so you can see the true cost in opportunity lost by doing the investment or the actual profit over time. So even if you are gifted a plane, you cannot rent for whatever you want to...the schools compete with each other and I am in Washington DC (a major market) so I have a strong grasp of what the rentals and actually know very specifically the rental history of each plane. The G1000s are more popular and a lot more expensive than the "steam gauge" planes, etc.. the complex and twin engine planes rent, but not nearly as much as the 172s with the G1000s. @@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree
@hanshoffmeyer82589 ай бұрын
and I did not take a lot about the costs going up faster than the rental rates...ie cost of oil and gas. So at best you supplementing the plane by the leaseback. At worst you have huge exposure with very little upside.
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree9 ай бұрын
@@hanshoffmeyer8258 I don't even know where to begin on countering your perspective, here. Your numbers are assumed on a basis that I can't track the logic of, and are nowhere near what I actually have been paying for years. And, yes, I'm in DC, too, so that aint the problem. How many planes do you own that are on leaseback? How has your actual experience (not hypothetical/theorized) worked out? I appreciate the interest in my video -- tell me how your real-world experience has been.
@robertcondit15369 ай бұрын
OK, I see a Taylor and a Les Paul in the background, you're doing well. So is a Music Vid coming next? ;-) And thanks for the Leaseback video.
@Justin-ny8df9 ай бұрын
I do agree about your airplane getting torn up through leasing. A guy leases his really nice Archer II to the school, students leave their trash, tear up the landing (me included), and one student spilled a cup/bottle of coffee in the plane.
@tjansson848110 ай бұрын
Mike, liked your scheme better than the inverse. Good choice. Twinkie is a great plane!
@bojang647510 ай бұрын
Is it alright to throttle the engine down halfway and run it or will it hurt the engine or pump?
@johnjame56499 ай бұрын
Don’t just run it full throttle and adjust pressure at the regulator knob
@JH-in5oq11 ай бұрын
Oh man my attitude indicator needs replaced. $20,000 later……..
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree11 ай бұрын
Yep. Pretty much nailed it. 😂
@plymouthcolt11 ай бұрын
This is a great video. Thank you so much for this information. Wonderful!!!!!!
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree11 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@andydelorme288 Жыл бұрын
I own a Cessna 310R. What are your thoughts on leasing it to a flightschool ?
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree Жыл бұрын
Hi Andy. A 310R, while a great plane (my uncle had one for a few years and I got to fly it once or twice), is a tough sell in a leaseback. As discussed, if the goal is to actually make money you want a plane that is flown often and is accessible to as many pilots as possible. A twin with turbocharged engines does not fit that bill. However, if there's a school that wants to specialize in "higher-end" multi-engine training with something like a 310, it could attract some good attention. Your goals determine whether a leaseback is a success; my normal criteria would say a 310R is not a good candidate.
@andydelorme288 Жыл бұрын
@@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree I figured this was the case even for a normally aspirated 310R. I appreciate your feedback. Thank you, sir.
@TheAvaiator23 Жыл бұрын
Why did you quit making videos ????
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree Жыл бұрын
I was only really able to find the time for making videos during the pandemic… keep wanting to get back to it - time is the only issue.
@timbo35146 Жыл бұрын
Great
@kevingeary1472 Жыл бұрын
How much did it cost?
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree Жыл бұрын
In the above video description there’s a link to a follow-up vid that details costs.
@jimroemer8085 Жыл бұрын
Are there particular model plans that do better financially in leasebacks? For example, would a higher end plane like a SR-22 do particularly well as I assume there are fewer available and presumably command more $? Or are the 172s of the world do better financially?
@MikeWebb-FlyingFinanciallyFree Жыл бұрын
Generally speaking, the planes that fly often and regularly are the ones that have the best chance to be successful in a leaseback. Something like a SR-22 is harder because it won't fly as often (usually) and generate enough income to offset the expenses. But it could work in the right environment.