Personally I find it faster than my hayate otsu. In my opinion it can be the perfect mousepad. Speed similar to hien but much more consistentl and comfortable. I've tried all the artisan mousepads with the exception of the shidenkai and the type 99 (I'm not interested in a mousepad so focused on control). This Key-83 deserves to share the top position with Raiden. Better than hien and hayate otsu for me
@meow-meow-133713 сағат бұрын
was so hype for this mouse but 60g. Sora v2 at 40g so much better
@xx-yz5xz7 сағат бұрын
shape is king. have the ulx cheetah, viper v3 pro, beast x and maya x and the op1 8k shape was too perfect i got the op1w 4k. havent looked back ever since
@meow-meow-13374 сағат бұрын
@@xx-yz5xz i wish there was a mm710 with recent hardware, but sora v2 and op1w comes really close
@betsthegodКүн бұрын
The weight balancing is horrid. Yes, i own it
@mahimabiat5577Күн бұрын
can you review monka m1 pro max
@GraceByFaith-86Күн бұрын
yea xm2 8k is the dark translucent plastic and it has a lot of creaking.. but still a great mouse..
@glashausAimz2Күн бұрын
mine is creaking like a rusty gate out of the box(frost edition) and its heavy and dense as a brick. pretty much the worst mouse i bought in 2024 and i bought many of them.
@richboii6597Күн бұрын
lol that’s the frost versions for you. They really do feel heavy tho and I’m not even a “weight queen.” Lol
@glashausAimz2Күн бұрын
@richboii6597 i still cant main this mouse. i wish i got a white cable version instead😓 everything but the clicks is literal china mouse quality plus the weight of a 2022 mouse.
@richboii6597Күн бұрын
@@glashausAimz2 lol you should have just returned it. My white op1w 4k was flawless, just felt very weird for being so small yet so heavy.
@glashausAimz2Күн бұрын
@richboii6597 the retailer here(datablitz) is ghosting me and egg won't RMA it because it wasn't bought directly from them. i tried to sell it for half the price after 1 week but i showed the creaking issue and no one wanted it after. gg endgame gear for making e waste 💁
@oscatMeowКүн бұрын
@@richboii6597 Is it really that heavy though? I just bought a pulsar x2h mini after maining a g303 shroud for 2 years which is 75g. But i think i got a dodgy batch from pulsar, so i bought the op1w4k, the difference between these two mice is 6.5g which would have to be negligible. I hit Ascendant in valorant with a 75g mouse, no way 58g feels like a brick to people
@ngoc_anthonyКүн бұрын
I wonder how to you measure motion latency ?
@jerrorrСағат бұрын
Mouse comparator software. Same method as techpowerup.
@severfieldtv1224Күн бұрын
I honestly think Endgame Gear coming out with an ergo would be the only thing to knock the Lamzu Thorn off my desk. Would LOVE to see them cook up an ergo shape. Loved the XM1r, but I prefer the X2H for that rear hump ambi shape. OP1 really intrigues me, but I'm scared my 11cm wide hands will cramp like they do with the ZA13 after some time.
@ibzmavКүн бұрын
I have the X2H mini, and I prefer the OP1. I have the wired version. Its flat sides help for better grip and micro-adjustments.
@DreamingPhenom23 сағат бұрын
I had the OP18K coming from the wider G305 and I returned it due to the cramps from the narrow width. Got the Scyrox V8 after and its way more comfortable with its wider width, no cramp. 17.5/10cm Edit: I also much prefer the lighter switches V8 has compared to OP18K's Kailhs (hotswapped to their lightest variant, but those were still heavier than the Omrons).
@user-gq3eq5bf9tКүн бұрын
5:55 what is that in microseconds?
@jerrorrКүн бұрын
1ms =1 000 μs
@user-gq3eq5bf9t2 күн бұрын
Total cost of the build?
@woo554123 сағат бұрын
with a tofu 60 redux it costs about 250-300$ all in all
@Exyile2 күн бұрын
genuinely wondering what kinda black magic they are using with the motion latency being the same on all polling rates
@jerrorr2 күн бұрын
I have never in my life retested a mouse more than this one :D I couldn't believe my eyes at first but then I saw that pzogel from techpowerup had the same results. Must be german engineering I guess.
@SweSpy922 күн бұрын
The most uncomfortable mouse shape I've ever used and I mained weird/unique mice like the Razer Lachesis and Copperhead back in the day. But it's a very high quality mouse and I can see it work for people with thinner palms than mine, probably perfect for women.
@jerrorr2 күн бұрын
Yeah if it suits your hand it's an awesome shape
@joonas1938Күн бұрын
@@jerrorr yeah that's how it usually works haha
@jerrorrКүн бұрын
@@joonas1938 meant so say mouse, not shape
@P4sta.2 күн бұрын
i hope to see light weight mice with tech like this
@foop50502 күн бұрын
I think I have similar sized hands to you and a similar big palm (17x10ish) and have recently used a gpx and more recently an op18k. The gpx was more comfortable when using it and I never really had problems with the shape but it started double clicking so I recently purchased an op1. It took a while to get used to and I didn’t really like it at first but after figuring out my grip the back hump is great for relaxed claw. The only issue is that the wire gets caught under my mouse sometimes, maybe bc the way I lift it or whatever, and I’ve given away my gpx so I’m now looking for a wireless mouse. This mouse sounds perfect but the price is pretty steep, do you think it’s worth it?
@jerrorr2 күн бұрын
Check my newest vid about the op1w 4k if you like that shape!
@br1ht3st2 күн бұрын
do you have a link for the pad under your keyboard?
@jerrorr2 күн бұрын
Google keebmat!
@Log_Pile2 күн бұрын
🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟
@jerrorr2 күн бұрын
🫡
@webnutzu2 күн бұрын
waiting for it
@alexp35772 күн бұрын
Any thoughts on op1w vs hitscan hyperlight?
@maimzera2 күн бұрын
owned both, totally diff shapes. hyperlight is like blocky on the sides and lower click height cus of the grooves, op1 shape is like a small xm1 shape but with less curves on the sides. personally id main op1 over hitscan, for me its just a better shape, better build quality, easy to mod/easy to repair, while on the other hand hitscan do have good build quality but the clicks are mediocre, the only selling point of the hitscan is its weight if youre into that.
@UniverseMON2 күн бұрын
This mice or vaxee x sora i going to buy one on monday
@jerrorr2 күн бұрын
Do you prefer wider or thinner mice?
@Partyzant6662 күн бұрын
Dat design is like 80s!
@nam0v13 күн бұрын
I'm sad because I just ordered the hm66 when the venom60's pcb was sold out. Now he is on stocks.... Damn what should I do? I think it's too late now my hm66 is on shipping, I would be more excited to build the venom60he myself...
@jerrorr3 күн бұрын
You can always mod the HM66 if you want to!
@Lumireii4 күн бұрын
Would you take this over the Fnatic x Lamzu Maya 8k (non-x)?
@jerrorr3 күн бұрын
Yeah
@BeeRad5024 күн бұрын
Another great review! Hey, that color is really nice and I’m curious if it looks good with the honor dark keycaps that you have on your 80he?
@jerrorr4 күн бұрын
Yeah it looks really nice with those as well
@Hello-uv3nz4 күн бұрын
Do you think I could use the apex pro mini as a donor keyboard? I'm curious if I could just get the venom60he pcb but use the case, pcb plate, foams, stabilizers from the apex pro mini. They look like they have the same layout so I was thinking it might work. I already have some TTC uranus and TTC KOM switches I can use for it.
@Hello-uv3nz4 күн бұрын
Welp nvm, only things I could use from the apex pro mini is the case and keycaps without desoldering all the switches from the pcb which is not worth it lol
@jerrorr4 күн бұрын
Yeaah your best bet is to get everything. There are some nice cheap cases as well that you can buy from taobao as well
@Hello-uv3nz4 күн бұрын
@@jerrorr Any recommendations? I'm having a hard time finding stuff for it, can't get any good search results on superbuy and can't make a taobao account without passing a Chinese language captcha that I can't read 😅
@naczos79455 күн бұрын
3:58 what is the name of this liquid he uses on switches??
@ofAmbrosia4 күн бұрын
Krytox
@kae26785 күн бұрын
I have the key-83 soft. It's so scratchy? I thought I would love this mousepad but it's so harsh on the mice and skin. Some of the stock skates even drag against it if they're particularly thin skates... I'm coming from Steelseries QCK. Should I go for type 99 if it's smoother?
@jerrorr4 күн бұрын
Ahh you might not like textured pads then. Type-99 is very smooth and controlled, but I would suggest you try out some thicker skates first and try if a sleeve helps. Another very good but speedier pad is the LGG Neptune Pro. It’s very smooth and fast, like a bit more controlled Artisan Raiden. Or for a more controlled very widely recommended option the LGG Saturn Pro.
@TWTYELVN5 күн бұрын
R u gonna review the HTS ultra 8k
@jerrorr5 күн бұрын
Yep
@xoWLxxx5 күн бұрын
The world’s best HE PCB
@jerrorr5 күн бұрын
100%
@stefanpapdi51515 күн бұрын
i preordered a ultra hts deluxe so 29.5grams, hope there are no issues like mouse tilt or quality failing. Im excited for the mouse haha
@jerrorr5 күн бұрын
Mine arrives soon as well 😍
@stefanpapdi51515 күн бұрын
@ i hope the new sensor is as good as the old iterations on techpowerup he got -1.0ms so pls gwolves dont have sensor firmware issues hahaha
@mariolovesleonedwards6 күн бұрын
Whats the difference between the fnatic colab and normal version
@jerrorr5 күн бұрын
Color
@iisynxxii6 күн бұрын
How is the Key-83 compared to the Zero Mid? Which one feels better when playing? I need a balance between speed and control. I'm thinking about getting the Zero Mid. But I'm unsure about the color. Orange looks very nice but I'm afraid that if my hand/arm sweats, that it will stay on the mousepad and become even dirtier than the black one. How is the color holding up, no stains? Also, some say that the orange is a little faster than the black, which might be problematic with mid (I want the mid because I'm worried that the soft would be slow for me and Mid seems very balanced between control and speed). Or should I rather buy the Key-83?
@vAmmonite4 күн бұрын
curious too
@DeeganBJJ6 күн бұрын
Just wondering do you know if this pcb will fit in the Tofu60 case? I'm new to building keyboards and I want to do a HE board for my first build
@jerrorr6 күн бұрын
It fits yes
@DeeganBJJ6 күн бұрын
@@jerrorr Ok thank you!
@soullessun55447 күн бұрын
The review is awesome, really like the fingertip shape, especially htr 8k. Nevertheless, the only thing I can afford is keychron m4😂
@Log_Pile7 күн бұрын
Great job Jerrorr, I havent used my HTR too much but its a lot of fun when I do use it. I prefer the HTX Mini, have you tried it?
@jerrorr7 күн бұрын
Not yet but I should receive one soon 😌
@Log_Pile7 күн бұрын
@jerrorr awesome
@FreshPanda976 күн бұрын
I really think about getting the HTR 8K for 110€ right now vs the HTX Mini (wish I could efford the mini just right now, but its so expensive 190€ in comparrison)
@Ovidyn-u6o5 күн бұрын
@@FreshPanda97 Htr tbh is more of an knuckle claw grip mouse (your knuckles and fingers only make contact with the mouse) i think its great option for claw grip if you have very small hand Htr definitely works with fingertip but because of huge hump you wont get enough range of motion, and weight balance will feel quite weird as this mouse is supposed to be gripped from the very front, based on the curveture of the sides, if you would want to grip it in the middle your pinky might feel weird. I own htr pro and for me its on par with hsk pro which used to be my main, but still i find full mice like htx to be better for fingertip cause they give me some stabillity with my grip, durning intensive moments i feel more secured and confident with my grip on htx or starlight small. Currently i think htx mini might be the best mouse for fingertip, not only because it offers more stabillity than hsk or htr but also because 27g on full mouse will feel much lighter than 27 gram on such tiny mouse as htr. Htx mini is much better pick, and if not than mice like beast x mini or ulx cheetah
@DextoS7 күн бұрын
Hello, i'm a bit late on this video so i'm not expecting an answer but if for some reason you will see my comment , could you raccomend me the best keyboard to make with infinite budget? I want the best performance possibile and quality for professional level gaming , and i Can't really find what's "the best" in the market since im pretty new to keyboards, if you can help me it would be really appriciated ❤ ( sorry for bad english maybe )
@jerrorr7 күн бұрын
Wooting 80he or 60he are the safest options to get, and if you want the fastest (difference not rly noticeable) you can build a venom60 he
@iisynxxii8 күн бұрын
I want a Zero Mid too. Is the orange one much faster than the black? How is the color holding up, no stains?
@cloudconnected70088 күн бұрын
i want to test the Geonworks Venom 80 HE.
@catalaw8 күн бұрын
Thank you for the time, do you have the link to other sources that tests this keyboard and compared with the rest? Thank you Jerrorr.
@jerrorr8 күн бұрын
Check eyejokerdb
@catalaw8 күн бұрын
@jerrorr 🫡
@catalaw8 күн бұрын
@jerrorr thanks to you, I got myself a venom too. Thank you.
@icyxLikesTech9 күн бұрын
Should i get 6.25 or 7U? Btw could you tell me the Actuation point of the keyboard??
@jerrorr8 күн бұрын
It depends on which you like more. Lowest actuation is currently 0.1mm
@oldirtykiIIa9 күн бұрын
Nice review mate, I currently run AX Outset and Lamzu Thorn, pretty similar to each other, but I feel like they lack on hump/palm support, my hand is like 19+-cm, what would you recommend? I kinda do relaxed claw. VAXEE has by far the best quality I've ever seen on a mouse so far, except their mouse wheel.
@jerrorr9 күн бұрын
Hmm those two are ergos with a fairly high hump profiling but are on the shorter side. From ergos you could try something longer and from ambi mice the Maya X could work nicely
@novimon9 күн бұрын
Love the detailed talk / impressions on the shape re: your hand. With identical hand to you I'm a little hesitant with narrow mice as they (eg. MZ1, X2 v1 mini) tend to give me hand cramps over longer / more intensive sessions. Did you have that problem with the np-01s?
@jerrorr9 күн бұрын
I figured that for me the cramps come if the mouse has no support on the thumb knuckle so on this I have no problems. But I know exactly what you mean!
@RyujinKevin9 күн бұрын
Between this one and the E1, which would you go for ?
@jerrorr9 күн бұрын
Currently I would choose this one
@inspire1ove9 күн бұрын
great vid. would you happen to have a caliper to measure the grip width at the narrowest grip points?
@jerrorr9 күн бұрын
Yeah it’s around 55mm middle of the sensor and middle of the front skate like 51,5mm. Measured from bottom.
@sNiPeR95PwnZ9 күн бұрын
YES you put your hand on it
@jerrorr9 күн бұрын
😂
@lepari998610 күн бұрын
Nice review! 4:20 There will also be web-based software available really soon!
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
Yeah I saw that! Vaxee cooking fr
@eddy777-rest10 күн бұрын
Another great review. Love the conclusion segment!
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@Jesse07410 күн бұрын
Hey jerrorr which mouse is better the hitscan hyperlight or the lamzu maya 8k
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
Performance wise they are kinda identical, same thing with build quality. So it comes down to shape preference and sensor position. Hyperlight has a more forward position and shape is like viper mini, while maya is more center humped.
@Jesse07410 күн бұрын
@@jerrorr the sensor itself doesnt matter that much right? As in you cant see the difference. And which one would u chose
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
@Jesse074I’d go with hitscan personally
@Jesse07410 күн бұрын
@@jerrorr can you maybe explain why🫣
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
@ personal preference, I like the shape better
@Hello-uv3nz10 күн бұрын
Can you use TTC KOM or TTC Uranus esports on the Venom60he?
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
Yeah! You just have to choose the Gateron Jade as the switch for the correct travel distance. I have TTC KOM on my other one currently.
@wiill110 күн бұрын
thanks for the detailed review! why don't you recommend motion sync on this mouse?
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
I don't recommend motion sync in any mouse, it just adds motion latency without any benefit
@starumedah694510 күн бұрын
Jerror, would you say np01s is my best option if I want something that gives the most space for my pinky and ring finger (especially pinky) to grip on the mouse for 18x9cm hands? I don't like ergonomic mice because they're tilted, and I'm not sure if symmetrical mice combat this issue, potentially ones with a wide back flare could help, I don't know such as the U2 or xm2. Please let me know.
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
Potentially yeah. It is just something that you have to try and see
@windfail10 күн бұрын
what are those keycaps they match very well with the vaxee
@jerrorr10 күн бұрын
@@windfail they are ePBT 3000SAT
@richboii65979 күн бұрын
Do you put you two fingers together or space them out? Like towards the front of the mouse? This mouse feels amazing if you keep ring and pinky together straight out. If that makes sense. It’s like it’s made for it
@starumedah69459 күн бұрын
@@richboii6597 Hey I space them out, I like to grip the mouse a further up on the mouse in terms of my pinky and ring finger.