GENESIS 6 IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE HYBRIDS PRODUCED WERE CORRUPTION OF ADAMS SEED AND LUCIFERS COUNTERFIT. THE SEED OF THE WOMAN (JESUS) WILL CRUSH THE HEAD OF THE SEED OF THE SERPENT (ANTICHRIST). MICHEAL HEISER'S WORK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT TEACHES US ABOUT THE ENEMIES PLAN AND HIS M.O. BECAUSE OF HER EXPERIENCE IN CHANNELING DEMONS SHE BECAME A HYPER CENSATIONIST. ITS REALLY SAD. SHE ALSO NEEDS TO CALL BOB LARSON AND GET A DELIVERANCE BECAUSE SHE OPENED WAY TO MANY DOORS AND GAVE THE ENEMY LEGAL RIGHT TO THE SOUL SIDE OF HER HEART. PRAY FOR HER

I was asking Amber for a resource on the Leviticus animal sacrifices because I'd like a Non-psa vs psa comparison. She recommended your book ( ...i didn't forget about it already... lol) but i hate reading. I really need an audio book version.

I GOT ATTACKED BY SOMETHING I COULDNT SEE ONE MORNING IN A VERY INTENSE SLEEP PARALYSIS ATTACK. I COULDNT SPEAK SO IN MY MIND I SAID I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS. I INSTANTLY COULD SPEAK AND WHEN I SAID IT OUT LOUD I FELT THIS ENERGY SNAP IN THE ROOM IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS HAPPENING IN A DIFFERENT DIMENSION OR HIGHER RELATIVE DENSITY BUT IT REALLY REALLY SHOWED ME THE POWER AND AUTHORITY OF JESUS CHRIST AND THAT HE IS ABSOLUTELY PROVED THAT HE IS THE GOD MAN. LOOK INTO JOSEPH JORDAN WITH MUFON AND HIS RESEARCH IS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT HAPPENED TO ME. PRAISE JESUS

I do some voice over work and am looking for new opportunities! I would love to record your book for you!

Steven Anderson, has both, psychopathic, and sociopathic tendencies

This is shocking what this woman did to the great Dr Heiser. Who does this???

Regarding the quotes from Athanasius and Augustine, I personally do not take the approach to refuting Childer's argument that you take. I mean, more power to you if you want to try to rescue these 4th and 5th Century Latin philosophers from PSA apologists. But my approach is to bypass all that messiness and splitting hairs, and just point out the simple fact that not a single bit of their quotes resemble anything like what the apostles actually wrote. Their language is entirely novel, as they themselves were engaged in ad hoc sense making because of their own ignorance of the correct Hebraic frame of reference. For God's sake, why are we even paying attention to guys like Augustine who didn't even know how to exegete the Scriptures but rather incessantly engaged in ridiculous mystical speculations and primarily used the Scriptures as ammunition in polemical battles? The reason why these quotes soujd so much like PSA is because they are just as much polluted with anachronism and bad theology as the Christians who accept PSA as the gospel.

20:44 - eh no not really. Seems like a bit of a strange claim to say it's just these two.

Steven Anderson is being persecuted for teaching and preaching the truth.

Bhahaha, the cuckoo finally landed in the cuckoo’s nest.Bullshit preacher of a bullshit church goes to bullshit heaven in the looney bin

I wish I could give you more than one thumbs up!

1:20:07 Thomas here is an extreme Free Grace OSAS proponent. He holds that if you don't hold to Free Grace, you aren't saved

This isn’t an argue from a specific Bible verse but from the overarching biblical story. Why would God let Satan and all the other demons and fallen spirits have the satisfaction of knowing that there are humans suffering with them? Annihilation/salvation makes more sense if you’re looking at it from the total defeat of Satan standpoint.

IFB/NIFB split is so funny. If your religion is so pious, meek and forgiving, why do denominations split and fracture? Because, when you make up a myth and try to defend it as truth, anyone can add more hokum to it to justify their version. They act as if God is a reluctant father on the Jerry Springer show and each denomination is a single mother that wants her baby daddy search to be as public as possible. I swear, Christian religious infighting has been making people laugh for 2000 years. 😂😂😂

So, what have you done about it ? You have nothing better to do than to talk about this man? Do something about it. Why have all these churches allowed this ? The story only gets better? Who is here for the gossip? Your story telling is not better that his rants! God says stay away from Politics and wars. You are allowing this to go on and instead of putting an end to it you encourage it by gossiping and see humor in it. You are not doing anything to bring it to an end. Best look at yourself before you reck yourself. Did any of the better pastors like you make an effort to contact those boys for support , for them just to be heard to help them heal or pursue what they wish to accomplish. To shut that preacher down. What does God say? When you do something with your left hand dont let your right hand see? Its better to give than to receive. You are no better dude! Well I we helped the wife we did this, who does that, you do! When you do something for someone its for the benefit of the person. You dont go around saying look at me, I did this. Im better than. You are no better sir. You are a clear example of what is not a church of God. Gossiping, pointing out others faults and not looking at your own before doing so. When did Jesus go around calling out the inequities of others? When did speak to build himself up. When did he say he was better than anyone , when did he judge anyone? He loved us. Should tell you something! That they needed help ,not people like you seeking the spot light and enjoying tell all his business in the media. Look at you word for word everything that can be used to point out his faults. You just straight up said this is the funny part? I will never waste my time on your videos again. What if he does have some mental issues going on? Because he wasnt always like this. Whats is your reason for doing what your doing?

Thank you. Been following this for since it all came out. Can't say I am shocked. SA to me no longer qualifies. I feel for his kids.

no not on their helmets and even if it was it would still translate to another aspect, the mind and how you take action, the mark of the beast already exist, and its really simple, its a mindset thing on how you think and act in the world literally which gives people power over flesh rather than power of the flesh, being able to influence and trick people with little to no effort since they would be tricking themselves already

What is so hilarious about White's blathering that "God's plan wasn't as good as Moses" (besides the fact that that is not at all what Tim was saying) is that Jesus OPENLY STATES that He changed the Laws for marriage to include divorce because of man's hard hearts. Here is unbeatable proof that God often changes His plans and doesn't always get his way when dealing with humans.

Isaiah says different. The concept of PSA is through out the scriptures.

39:00 👍🏻

So apparently he's ableist as well. Such a charming guy.

1:07:18. I’ve platinum trophied blood born and sekiro, shadows die twice.

Thank you for this video. I have a suggestion put some more light in your videos it is too dark. It is disturbing.. ❤

Ahh, you've seen the CRC carnage.

On the Incarnation will blow the common western mind, especially Protestant

I love LEGO, too 🙌🏼😂

The final nail in the coffin of PSA was hammered in place in the book Lamb of the Free by Rillera. He presents an irrefutable scriptural basis of this by a detailed study of Leviticus. There has been no push back against his thesis. He has forever changed the narrative of the discussion. PSA is dead, never to be resurrected

10:20 II Corinthians 5:21

I was in catechism class last night for inquirers and catechumen at my local Orthodox Church and a first timer asked about this doctrine. The father was able to point out the problem with it so sufficiently and to explain plainly what EO believe about the cross and atonement I wish I had recorded it. I’ll be meeting him next week so maybe I can ask him to repeat it so I can make note. The person inquiring seemed relieved. I spoke with his wife after and she said they were coming from a short stint as reformed and her husband started asking questions. That’s how they ended up there 😅

God using Satan's hubris against him by allowing him to kill Jesus unaware of the consequences is so Badass. I imagine its like that scene in Blade 1998, where Wesley Snipes revovers via the blood and does a super hero landing. The villains henchman then charges at him and all Blade does is pull out his silver infused retractable garoting wire and jist clothelines the arrogant henchman with it. He literally lets him decapitate himself and his sunglasses go flying. Blade then catches the sunglasses as the techno-dance beat starts and puts them on. That's how he stole the keys of death and hell. 😎 Hell probably wasn't actually on fire before, but after he set the captives free he walked away from an epic gas explosion with his shades on. Probably after telling the OT saints in Abraham's bosom: *COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE*

When Childers first came on the scene, I was happy for two reasons: 1. It's nice to have a female KZbinr in this space. 2. I loved that she was a Christian music artist who WASN'T deconstructing. Buuuut...I've just reached a point where I can't listen to her. There's an arrogance I can't get past. Feel the same with Winger.

Your first instinct to avoid the snark was definitely Spirit lead. The point is NOT to be “yourself”, but to be like Christ. Bless you brother!

I think Doreen isn't a teacher. I don't think that's her anointing. ❤

Yay!!!! I’m here(after the livestream, though)… so I’m a nerd!!! Awesome sauce!

Regardless of whether or not PSA is true, I do think it's irresponsible for people like Alisa Childers and Mike Winger to not correct themselves about the claim that denial of it is essentially just a progressive position. Even ignoring people like Will (no offense), the reality that PSA isn't affirmed by the Eastern Orthodox church in general is kind of a big strike against that claim, unless they are going to attempt to defend the idea that EO is actually progressive.

I am not very clear on what the opposite view of the atonement is ? PSA is Jesus Christ was our substitutionary atonement for our punishment, what am I getting wrong ?

That section at 1:10:00 about God often using satan's wiles against him might make a good short.

Death is the result of being separated from the Tree of Life. We all are separated from the Tree as a consequence of Adam's sin. So in this sense, physical death is the result of sin. Although I would venture a guess that physical death was already a reality even in Eden, mitigated by the Tree of Life.

In the Orthodox Church, the Paschal Troparion (our "Easter anthem," if you will) is, "Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!" We sing it with gusto and vigor over and over after we re-enter the Church. The preceeding procession is our symbolic going down to Hades with Christ, when he rescues all the souls of the righteous who had been held captive by death and the devil from ages past (going all the way back to Adam and Eve themselves). Upon re-entering the Church, we are participating with Christ and those righteous souls in the first resurrection (Matt 27:51-53; 1 Peter 3:17-22; Rev 20:1-6). This is when we sing that Troparion. It's very much a _Christus Victor_ hymn, but also with heavy shades of Ransom Theory (with Christ willingly being subjected to death and descending to Hades in the first place), and yes, also with light shades of substitution (but *_not_*_ penal_ substitution). The consensus of the Fathers in Orthodoxy regarding the atonement is more an all-of-the-above approach rather than one instead of the others; that said, _Christus Victor_ is, without a doubt, the greater emphasis. To see all three theories at work in tandem, St. John Chrysostom says in his Paschal Homily, which all Orthodox priests read at Pascha instead of writing their own, "Let no one mourn his transgressions, for pardon has dawned from the grave. Let no one fear death, for the Saviour's death has set us free. He that was taken by death has annihilated it! He descended into Hades and took Hades captive! He embittered it when it tasted his flesh! And anticipating this Isaiah exclaimed, 'Hades was embittered when it encountered thee in the lower regions.' It was embittered, for it was abolished! It was embittered, for it was mocked! It was embittered, for it was purged! It was embittered, for it was despoiled! It was embittered, for it was bound in chains! It took a body and, face to face, met God! It took earth and encountered heaven! It took what it saw but crumbled before what it had not seen! 'O death, where is thy sting? O hades, where is thy victory?' Christ is risen, and thou art overthrown! Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen! Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice! Christ is risen, and life reigns! Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in a tomb! For Christ, being raised from the dead, has become the First-fruits of them that slept. To him be glory and might unto ages of ages. Amen."

As a Presbyterian we don't have this issue. Reformed theology was never a trendy thing that had to be snuck in. It's our confessional standards that all ordained ministers are expected to teach. It's crazy seeing how a pastor will hide certain beliefs because there is no united understanding of these things.

"peni..penal...whoa that was close" you had me rolling. 😂

Many (Reformed) Christians do not care about death as an enemy, nor care about the resurrection. Especially in the US, Christians only talk about 'going to heaven'. There's no sense of the destruction of the body being a bad thing. Spirit is good, body is bad. It's Greek thinking. PSA being all about 'God's wrath' as the enemy, rather than about 'Death' as the enemy, is either a consequence or the root of this apathy about death.

I love Alisa Childers and I’m so glad you’re talking about this. She had made the claim many times that denying PSA is progressive. She seems like a very reasonable person though, maybe she’d come on your show?

12:30 if somebody jumps on a grenade to save others, it does make sense to say that person died on behalf of everyone else. The moment the grenade was dropped in that room, all occupants were sentenced to death by it. I dont disagree with you, but this analogy doesn't really work.

What is frustrating about individuals like Mike Winger and Lisa Childers is that they present what they believe as the one true Gospel truth, but will not respond to the pushback they receive. Idol Killer responded to Childers "Original Sin/Total Depravity" video. She did not respond. Church Split and Idol Killer responded to Winger's PSA take, and he did not respond. These individuals have a huge following and are great influencers. They claim that only their understanding is correct, but then do not defend their positions when pushed. Winger did the same with his "Women in Ministry" videos calling all who disagree with him to repent because they are destroying the church and the family. Yet he has not responded to any critique of his views that refute his conclusions. This to me is a great frustration, especially when they are influencing so many in the church as if only they seem to know and have the truth.

When we sin, do we sin only against the Father and not against the Son and the Holy Spirit? PSA implies only the Father has a wrath that had to be satisfied. But apparently the Son and the Holy Spirit did not have a wrath against us. On the other hand, if Death is the enemy to be defeated, then any of the godhead could be sent as a champion to defeat it.

What about second Corinthians 5:21 “ He made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in him” Doesn’t that imply Jesus took our punishment?

Sorry I only listen to Christian KZbinrs with massive bookshelf’s filled with books they probably haven’t read behind them.

I think PSA is a Christological issue