Just the beginning of my kids school year was soaking up the last days of the summer vacation. Ill be continuing this coming week.

Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy it.

@@Jordan10704 I'll definetly have issues if they dont revisit the scene revealing the true events behind Clouds trauma filter. As for how the scene plays out the devs came out & said the focus was shifted away from her death to focus more on Clouds inability to cope & accept reality. So I guess I was spot on calling it Clouds trauma scene moreso than Aeriths death scene. And I agree that Cloud will have to face his trauma like the others did at the temple of the Ancients which is where we will see the iconic death scene of Aerith play out very closely if not 1:1 with the OGs.

Well the devs have come out & said the scene is more centered around Clouds inability to cope with loss this time around so it's hard for me to believe shes "alive" & I'm pretty positive the "worlds" are spiritual in nature but we will find out soon enough. Like the idea though.

@@nostalgiaverse9892 The white materia traveling from the spiritual or dream world does show there's substance to the multi-world stuff. Remember that Aerith's materia in her hair became empty and clear. Cloud's inner turmoil and denial is something I can't wait to see expanded in part 3, but the multi-world stuff is not trivial.

@rsoxboy Materia is just condensed Lifestream filled with memories & knowledge.

@@nostalgiaverse9892 And yet the empty materia Aerith originally had wound up in Cloud's back pocket at the end of the game, and the full white materia that fell from Aerith's hair when she died is at the bottom of a lake. Not trying to dismiss your theory. For what it's worth I don't think Aerith is alive. Don't think they plan on her being alive at the conclusion of the story either. I do think they are planning on using the multi-world elements to add some impact to the narrative. Don't know why they would have included it if not. That's it.

@rsoxboy I'll be honest I have no idea where the empty white Materia thing is going. I'm excited to find out, but I wouldn't get too invested with Aerith being "alive". The devs have said before, & even after Rebirth, the OG events wont be changed in a significant way. Her being alive, is a significant change. But again I am under the assumption that the worlds are spiritual in nature, which was heavily alluded to in Rebirth so its hard for me to see Aerith or Zack as "alive". They still "exist". They haven't disseminated into the LS & lost their individuality which is also the case in Advent Children.

I understand that totally. They changed it to focus on Clouds trauma & being unable to cope with death which left a lot of players confused if she is alive or not. I think the scene will payoff in Part 3, when that's more clearly explained & we see how it played out without Clouds cope filter.

I think this is the way the devs wanted it. They know for sure how big this scene was supposed to be. The payoff will be in the 3rd and it will be huge.

Thank you! I'll say if we get any DLC it better be based around Vincent but I like your idea I just think it would be better saved for Part 3 to make it as grandiose as possible.

@@nostalgiaverse9892 I reckon Part 3 can still be as grandiose as there will still be plenty of places to discover but if it's going to mean two trips to Rocket Town, then I won't mind too much. There's still going to be a lot to discover and I also believe we'll see more of the Forgotten Capital as well where we got merely a tease in Rebirth. As for Advent Children, playing through that story as a DLC after Part 3 would be amazing. I'm so invested in the current voice cast now, it ain't funny but if they recorded lines for that film, I'd be down with that too.

Yeah, it's interesting. The parts of the intro that mimic the original are such a perfect recreation, down to the exact camera movements, it certainly doesn't feel like that would be a mistake from the devs. And watching the OG intro, the OG ending scene, and the remake intro all side by side really shows it pretty clearly. Another detail is that from the very first FF7 Remake key art released, Sephiroth is shown with the one full black wing, appearing like it never did in the original game. It first canonically appeared like that in Advent Children. Even the first time Sephiroth is referenced in Remake is when a black feather falls to the ground. A pretty odd thing to happen if he has never even canonically had the black wing yet. Plus the Advent Children music which plays in chapter 2 directly before you actually see him for the first time. And then there are all the random flash forwards throughout Remake... I'll be happy either way, as its been such a brilliant ride to go on, and I've loved all the theory crafting, but I'd certainly prefer it if it does turn out to be a sequel of some kind.

@@DJChamber yes good insight i kept the examples to og because that's what the OP respects the most. and you proved my main point as a real ff7 fan you can't unseen the way remake can be seen ae a sequel even though you in your heart of hearts don't want it to be one

That's understandable. I personally liked those scenes but I get where you are coming from. Alls we can do is hope for the best moving forward.

I had no editing software at the time but I do now. The off screens will be edited out in future playthroughs. Sorry for the inconvenience. Plus side I'm not monetized so you can skip ahead without worrying about ads.

You should watch my Not a Sequel video. It contains a bunch of developer quotes talking about how everything wont stop the OG events from continuing to happen. Also if you reach out to me on Twitter I can show you an interview that says Aerith died because it follows the OG events, & that OG was about the sudden loss of her character, & Rebirths approach was Cloud being unable to cope with the loss of her character. I saw this interview after this video was made but it's hard confirmed she is dead. Where Zack & Aerith reside isnt some living world or alternate timeline, it is something within the spirit world.

@@nostalgiaverse9892 Of course the Devs can confirm Aerith is dead. In OG she died. Confirmed. However it's is also clear that in Remake Aerith knew of her upcoming fate not as a premonition but as a memory. This is confirmed when Marlene told Zack that Cloud has to save Aerith from the man with the sword. We see that Marlene was given one of Aerith's memories and I do say GIVEN because in Rebirth Aerith can't remember a lot of things she used to know. Then in the ending sequence Sephiroth said she was "hiding in a world that has already accepted its fate." All that is mutli-verse. What is also multi-verse is Stamp changing breeds every time the world is changed. The Devs made a very firm point of showing us Zack's Stamp isn't Remake's Stamp at the end of Remake. Stamp is even an entirely different breed from those two when Cloud and Aerith are on their Doomed Sector 5 date near the end. Cloud didn't reimagine Stamp and neither Sephiroth or Aerith would alter that detail to effect Cloud's mental state becuase it's not a detail Cloud would notice.

@johnw3922 Believe what you want to I was just giving you a heads up so you can keep an open mind & manage your expectations so you avoid disappointment. One of the main themes of FFVII is loss & dealing with it & they are sticking to that. I'll be happy to hear your reaction to Part 3 because you are exactly where the devs want people to be.

@@nostalgiaverse9892 we will never settle up on this. There is a 0% chance either of us remember this exchange when part 3 comes out in 4 years. I am only saying their is a ton of inconsistencies with FF7 not being a mutli-verse at this point.

Thank you for the kind words

@@brandonp6880Thanks. I just started making videos but yes I plan to tackle all of that in between now & Part 3. And I kind of touch of the multiverse stuff a little bit in the video before this.

Yes.

@@nostalgiaverse9892 No. You believe men that lie about their sexes are women. No.

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The problem is you see flashbacks at various points from another timeline in Remake and Rebirth from what already happened in the original game. Aerith is just further proof she knows what has happened in the previous timeline in Remake, but the arbiters takes away the memories at the end of Remake.

@@agamersinsanity nope. I think that's people grasping at straws and the further you dive into it the more it falls apart. If Aerith and Sephiroth are from the future why do they allow the events to unfold exactly as they have before? They could both change things to have a more desirable outcome for either side. There are much more sound and simple explanations. Sephiroth has future knowledge simply because he did in the OG. He states this at the Temple. Aerith was aware of people dying and such in the OG and she becomes more aware of things at the temple as well. It's left ambiguous and not explicitly laid out what exactly is happening with Aerith in those moments. In the remake saga they simply heightened her connection with the LS. Then it becomes severed at the end of remake for it to reconnect at the Temple. Much more simple explanation that fits into what has been shown. Also, why would Red and the party want to change the future in which they won? Everyone points to Red's comments at the end of remake as if that is some "eureka" epiphany. That's the good ending. They won. They beat Sephiroth. They stopped the meteor. Humans are living more harmoniously with the planet 500 years later. Etc. Why would they fight against it? Like I said, the sequel theory falls apart rather quickly when you simply ask questions. It's. Not. A. Sequel.

​​​​​@@TheSteelers4190In. Your. Opinion. The further I delve into your comment the more it falls apart... "If Aerith and Sephiroth are from the future, why do they let events unfold exactly as they have before?" ~ Really? EXACTLY as they have before? Did you miss the bits where Sephiroth manipulated the party into fighting and destroying the 1000-foot tall mighty harbinger of destiny? Weirdly, I don't remember that bit from the original. Or that fairly large chunk where Sephiroth manipulated Cloud into very nearly killing Tifa, and then minutes later Sephiroth did his very best to try to kill Tifa too? I'd say the reason things aren't changing more is because A. They are powerful but not 'all powerful'. And B. Aerith/Sephiroth/the planet/Jenova/the white whispers/the black whispers are all fairly successfully cancelling each other out with their 4D chess. Doesn't seem that wild and outlandish to take into consideration as a possibility with all the other wild stuff going on? And hang on a minute, if you are saying he definitely has future knowledge in O.G. simply because of one, singular, isolated, ambiguous, possibly mistranslated line from the entire script of O.G., then why didn't he also change things then so they didn't go the way they did with him losing in the end? If the argument is that in the original, he had access to partial future knowledge but if he's travelled back in time, he should have full knowledge... we don't know that? Whispers took some of Aerith's knowledge of the future, she said it herself, so who's to say they didn't do the same to Sephiroth before he figured out how to control them? So that argument falls very flat 'rather quickly'. But more importantly... Assuming you are referring to this individual line when you say he 100% definitely had future knowledge in the original game: "I'm far superior to the Ancients." "I became a traveler of the Lifestream and gained the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients." "I also gained the knowledge and wisdom of those after the extinction of the Ancients." ~ I don't think anyone playing the original or the writers took that to mean 'oh wow, this guy can see the future', and then it's never mentioned again. It is very possible he means after the death of Ifalna (who was "the last remaining pureblood of the ancient Cetra" ~ so no future knowledge in that case. If every tiger in the world died, but there was still a liger knocking about, you could certainly still say tigers were extinct. Also, its a 90s translation, very possible the meaning was closer to 'after the ancients were pretty much wiped out', which canonically would have been a long time ago. Kotaku actually did a video series translating the original Japanese version to English, and the guy in the video said its referring to the eras after the ancients were gone, the translation means "he got the ancient wisdom and he also got some modern science". Nothing about knowledge of the future. Seems like a 'much more sound and simple explanation' to me). Not quite as cut and dry as you thought eh? I don't recall anything else in the original that suggested either Sephiroth or Aerith had any future knowledge, so this makes a lot more sense than the writers just throwing in that absolutely massive plot element in the original that one character can see the future casually in a singular throwaway line. "They won... Humans are living more harmoniously with the planet 500 years later... Why would they want to change it?" ~ Err... Aerith was killed. Midgar, the biggest city on the planet, was destroyed, and the countless people who were still there were killed. Then for the next 2 years, geostigma spread across the planet and indiscriminately killed countless more people too. We know 3 years later, there are still existential threats to the planet in Dirge of Cerberus. We know humans were still around living semi-harmoniously with the planet then, 3 years after OG FF7, but we have absolutely no idea what happens to humans after that. The '500 years later' bit was left intentionally EXTREMELY ambiguous as to whether humans survived (there's no trace of humans shown, only the sound of childs laughter ~ that could be an actual living child somewhere off screen, or it could be from within the lifestream/planet itself, or it could also be Red XIII's kids, as we know his species talks and sounds human). I think most people are under the impression that actually, humans are NOT still around then. At best, its about a 50/50 split on what people think? Intentionally ambiguous as I said... Although now Red has basically said its the bad ending, it really heavily implies that humans aren't still around... We. Don't. Know. One. Way. Or. The. Other. Yet. Because. The. Third. Game. Hasn't. Released. Yet. So. Don't. Try. To. Call. Out. People. Just. For. Disagreeing. With. Your. Opinion. I haven't even delved into any of the many reasons I think it may well be a sequel (or similar). Something tells me there is nothing anyone could possibly say that would change your mind. I'm simply saying that what you are saying is not anywhere near the proof that you think it is that it isn't a sequel (or some new weird thing with sequel elements)...

@@DJChamber 🤣🤣🤣. Okay dude. 👍. We'll review this comment in a few years.

@@TheSteelers4190 Not sure you would really need to review it in a few years, as the point was only that your reasoning is full of massive holes and nowhere near being actual proof enough to outright dismiss other theories as definitely wrong and stupid right now? It still could be close to a complete reimagining at this point, or it could be a sequel, or it could be (my actual best guess) something in between the two. There's already in-game indisputable canon that future events from after the original game are affecting the current events (in that a form of the Advent Children remnants from 'a future timeline' that appear at the end of Remake) so it wouldn't be wrong to say that at the very least, it is already 'somewhere in between a reimagining and a sequel' as opposed to a pure reimagining. I'm guessing there will still be debates about it long after the final game is released though.

@@latelament92 "forget not thine ire, for it shall remake thee". A quote from the Cetra in temple of the ancients, regarding what they call "O, Warrior", I think that moment for me felt like the part where Id concretely decided this was a moment in "time" following the events of OG. Sequel is a hard word to use when describing a subject that lives in the realm of potentially timelessness. Narratively it behaves like a sequel but the themes of the game itself lend itself to being far more complex than linear time, so much so that it could genuinely be as much a prequel as a sequel.

@@upon-fe2720 Sequel just the term people have been using so that's how I went about talking about it. Yeah that's what I was alluding to when talking about the lifestream worlds and Aerith. I just view it though as an expanded out reimaging of the og rather then taking place in a moment of time after the og. When you rejoin the lifestream you become part of everything that was and everything that will be. Plus there is a little bit of meta going on with us the player of the og having these memories of these events that have happened and will happen that I think is fun to think about. What a game!

Yeah Nanaki also says is it our Destiny to defy Destiny & so far the answer seems to be yes. With the Whispers split between Light & Dark fate has now become the outcome of that struggle & I think the struggle between the two shapes the OGs events instead of stopping them from happening. But yes the Whispers need more explaining for sure.

Yes and there is also the fortune told about Cait Sith about an ending having a twist but to have trust. It could go either way

Thanks for the praise. If you are interested I go more in depth in the video I posted after this. It's a bit longer but check it out if you are interested!

Maybe at sometimes it's a Jenova illusion but Red XIII can sense her spirit so that to me deconfirmed its Clouds imagination or a Jenova illusion

As if most final fantasy games and jrpgs in general aren’t breezed through by spamming A and healing every once in a while. Maybe you’d like classic mode.

I wish but unfortunately its 2027 at the absolute earliest. I wouldnt even mind waiting til 2028 though its gonna be the biggest best part yet & it's going to contain my favorite parts from the OG. Let them cook.

Nah thats too soon

I'm down for Paladin Cloud

Yes this is what I think as well. Also we never got Aeriths great gospel, etc. I think she will be back in some way for the third game. Maybe this time she will actually survive all of it at the end.

Thank you I really appreciate it & yes I love the additional lore like with the Gi, its awesome stuff. I got 100% faith in the developers I am on board with whatever they choose to do I know itll be great!

Yup I dont think Aerith or Zack are gonna be there. I dont think Cloud would open himself up to anyone else but Tifa plus she is his childhood friend/crush as well so affirming those shared childhood memories is a big part of the scene.

She already did save Tifa. She is the pink weapon.

You are right where the developers want you to be. I'm sure you will get the impactful Death Scene 1:1 with OG if not expanded upon. Wherever we finally see it is going to be heart wrenching. Thanks for stopping by & I'm glad you enjoyed the content.

@@nostalgiaverse9892100% I really like what they did with rebirth and I agree the third game will showcase the true scene in its full and it will hit hard especially for cloud once he realizes what really happens.

The Lifestream moment is Tifa's moment to shine. Tifa is the only one who knows Cloud's past and can fix his mind. If they have Zack and Aerith being there, it would take away her moment.

To shed a little light on it for you; firstly regardless of fans being upset about it the devs wouldn't change it just because of that. They've already got this stuff planned out and in the works no matter what some fans might say or want it's not like they can just waste time and resources just to appease a section of the fandom. Secondly, that being said I disagree with having Zack and Aerith involved in the Lifestream Sequence myself. Maybe they could be outside keeping Sephiroth from intervening, but outside of that I'd rather they not be in there. The core of the Lifestream Sequence is centered entirely on Tifa and Cloud only. It is literally Cloud pulling Tifa into his subconscious mind; revealing his innermost feelings and thoughts, it's about their shared past and foggy memories, it shows what they mean to each other, and as such the effect Tifa has on Cloud as a whole as the only person who's known Cloud since the beginning. As much as I love Aerith and Zack they just don't have any place in there because they haven't known Cloud that long so they can't help the same way, and moreso the memories are all shared between Cloud and Tifa it's just as much for Tifa herself as it is for Cloud. As far as Aerith's real death being revealed there I also don't want that I'd rather that come after maybe the party revisits the Forgotten Capital or whatever they wanna do with it I personally believe it should be afterward or maybe even before but not during. That's just how I feel about it though

@@mysticlightning7655 right I know it was Tifas time to shine back in OG. That’s great and all but she can still be there and shine with Zach and Aerith as well 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@Step43099 Yeah but didn’t they get death threats from Tifa fans just for not having her in the trailers enough? Like I probably would rethink a few things if my life was being threatened by lunatic fans lol. But yeah I really think it would be cool if they had Zach and Aerith there though, like what do you think is gonna happen? Zach is being set up to be there fs imo. Like what else is he gonna do he isn’t coming back to life. The only reason I say that is because Nomura had said last year in December that anyone who dies in OG isn’t coming back so that’s why I don’t think he will rejoin the party in Clouds place in base reality as a lot of people think. I think a lot of people romanticize the OG ls sequence like you said but I think that’s a matter of perspective. It’s about Cloud regaining his memories and finding out who he truly is right? It doesn’t have to be a romantic scene like that we can have other people there as well and it still be amazing! Also seems like they already cleared up Tifas foggy memories in the Gongaga ls sequence. I never played OG as I mentioned before but I’ve read up on it and watched some clips from it and it doesn’t seem like Cloud pulls her into his mind on his own to share his intimate memories with her, it seems like they fall in to the lifestream on accident, and a lot of folks say Aerith protected them and used this accident as a opportunity to guide Tifa to Clouds consciousness and *Aerith* pulled Tifa into Clouds mind to help piece him back together. So I don’t think it’s too far fetched if Aerith showed up. But I also don’t think it’s supposed to be a romance scene either why not have Clouds absolute closest friends all help him discover who he is isn’t that beautiful 🤷🏻‍♀️ Also one last thing I gotta say it and I’m not saying this to be weird but I actually think it’s strange when people say Tifa knows Cloud better than anyone. It’s stated in Traces of Two Pasts that Tifa and Cloud played together as babies but after like the age of 6-8 ish they completely quit hanging out, even if they had a crush on each other from afar for a couple years, they haven’t played together since they were 6 and now they’re in their 20’s. So to me, that’s like telling me the person who knows me best is the kid I played with in elementary school, but then grew apart in middle school but we still went to high school together but didn’t talk. Then we graduated and grew up and I see that person in my adult life, and someone tries to tell me that this guy knows me better than anyone because we had once played together on the playground in the 2nd grade. I can’t get on board with that. Tifa even tells Cloud she doesn’t know him very well in the cat quest in Neibleheim. They both agree they don’t know each other well and then agree to decide to get to know each other better now to make up for lost time. Which is sweet.

The shippers go ballistic at just the thought of it. They try to make you pay for even thinking it. They need to touch grass. I'm sorry for all the BS your comment is gonna attract to you. Thank you for speaking your mind.

I think some of it is being unable to accept things will not go exactly the same as the OG. Nothing significant, but I myself don't see putting those two scenes in the LSS as a significant change, just touching on the new mysteries like what's going on with Cloud blocking out the scene with Aerith, & moving the Zack scene from the Shinra Manor basement in OG to the LSS because it could only be viewed after the LSS in the OG anyways & I think would fit better there since it wont be an optional scene anymore & it fits discovering the truth.

@@nostalgiaverse9892 It totally tracks with Retrilogy really leaning into mental health as a major theme. Cloud confronting the truth of these deaths with someone who supports and accepts him sends a powerful message.

Red also asks "Is it our Destiny to defy Destiny?" Which turned out to be yes. So I wouldnt worry about it. Devs have repeated over & over that no matter what is introduced the OG events will continue to happen. Some people think it's a sequel without that context & rightly so I guess.