This kind of training will just get you badly hurt,as your right to truly defend yourself or your life is suspended by taking level 2.
@jamienhb9770 Жыл бұрын
almost everything you learn in these classrooms is useless
@Mo-xx9gg Жыл бұрын
Most of the techniques have been designed to work well in demonstrations and are incredibly "learnable" and easy to evidence apparent competence! There is no real self defence and nothing useful should you find yourself in a fight! Some of the light physical restraint and escorting techniques will work for semi compliaint people. A focus on team-based restraint should be the main thing, together with highly pressure tested knife defence techniques. Beyond that - you should invest in your own fitness, strength and CQC skills over many years, and make sure that you have a few guys who are of that calibre on any operational team to bridge the gap that the "new breed" of door supervisors has created!
@gabrielmartin2197 Жыл бұрын
I loved my SIA training but was said it was a fraud, beware! And always search the course you are attending, because you may pass it but not get the certificate.
@rationalsatanist1811 Жыл бұрын
4:38 so drunken 20 stone thugs only have right arms do they ? LMFAO
@rationalsatanist1811 Жыл бұрын
4:25 "an up and coming career" ? lmfao being a minimum paid security officer is not a career you clowntard.
@rationalsatanist1811 Жыл бұрын
2:`16 yeah protect life when being unarmed. this is utter bullshit.
@mgtowchampion7961 Жыл бұрын
Complete bollocks
@iansmith52112 жыл бұрын
This is absolute shite.a load of bollicks. All that so called training you are watching is crap. Try getting hold of a 16 stone guy high on coke by grabbing his wrist and see how far you get. If you can not right fight you will get seriously injured. Or worse end up dead. Ian from liverpool
@skedtm2 жыл бұрын
Why is it that official courses seem to be a waste of time, yet a quick 5 minute youtube defence video (a good one like Lee Morrison) would benifit me far more. Do you need to be big to be a doorman. I'm not heavy but still feel i could handle myself
@JamesMMcCann2 жыл бұрын
In all my years on the doors, I've yet to have anyone try to grab my wrist.
@mrazlanshahzad86462 жыл бұрын
Well done Ahil
@dinomacak18422 жыл бұрын
This training how to do the when kicks off how remove person out
@Potbellypugilist3 жыл бұрын
I worked as a"doorman" for over ten years and started just before the whole S.i.a thing came to play. Now I think the key to being a good doorman is diplomacy and tact, but there are occasions where you have no choice to go down a physical route. The physical/conflict training in this video is absolutely laughable, wouldn't work in a real situation in the slightest.
@mindjab3 жыл бұрын
These techniques are now outdated.
@TheOutdoorlife784 жыл бұрын
Bag of shite! It Don’t work .. 💩
@JamesMMcCann4 жыл бұрын
I'm SIA BADGED. yOU'RE FUCKED
@stephenperkins98774 жыл бұрын
NOT an SIA approved company anymore I see...
@itsmike92274 жыл бұрын
Read the comments & you will know why 😂
@cryptogee1725 жыл бұрын
Doing PI on Monday as the final day of the SIA course, so many of the comments here don't fill me with much confidence in it's real life application lol
@kenboon14786 жыл бұрын
If the " S I A " license gets me a job working doors and looking at women in short skirts all night then I'm all for it!!
@460samh6 жыл бұрын
I've done this type of training to deal with behaviours from those with severe autism. I can assure anyone that it does not work. You go with your own instinct at that moment in time, if it means not getting your arm bitten then you will try anything other than what you've been trained.
@richardlyons76396 жыл бұрын
Been a doorman for 20 years, been attacked more times than I care to remember, but no one has ever grabbed my wrist. This is like Aikido without the hakamas. Total BS. If you’re a doorman and want to make it home in one piece, study boxing and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. BJJ for restraining people, standing preferably. Boxing for when all else fails. Other than that, use your experience and wit. I find a sense of humour can go a long way in this game, shows people you don’t take yourself too seriously, people look at you as someone else doing their job as opposed to a “bouncer”
@lookbetll83534 жыл бұрын
Richard Lyons BJJ yeah. But it’s Mauy Thai that you need.
@Swiminator_083 жыл бұрын
Insightful comment, joining an mma gym now
@jakehooper62483 жыл бұрын
Krav Maga is the one
@MikeVaines6 жыл бұрын
www.1sttrainingsolutions.co.uk/ offer the best security training
@ramzansattar54416 жыл бұрын
identity thiefs along with the pigs
@benbudin6 жыл бұрын
I'm doing the course.The people attending they look way out of shape skinny uncapable of doing 10 push ups or very over weight...I being doing real martial arts all my life. this shit is garbage.
@clutcher967 жыл бұрын
How hard are the exams
@securitytrained42247 жыл бұрын
To be a door supervisor today you need the best possible training by trainers with decades of experience! Not only that they must be able to teach it's all well and good being an expert but, if you don't have the ability to embed your skills into others it's a problem. There are some on the door to today that have had 'fast buck' training and are at risk injuring themselves or others or with the law.
@dangerousdazza7 жыл бұрын
Is the exam easy?
@Imashedjesscarabbit7 жыл бұрын
Darren Armstrong yes it's like a theory test if you have done it
@goin2security7857 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting guys, the techniques appear to be based on Akido?
@rancedavis48657 жыл бұрын
ive done door and festival work since the early 90,s the sia was introduced basickly to get rid of the residential hardmen with violent criminal backgrounds that worked the door with no training other than to smash your face in if they didnt like you, i saw this alot as i started security during these times, worked with so many of them, the sia wants to ensure a safer friendlier approach to customer care, people dont want to be terrified of the doormen, back in the day the public was , now we have to be nice and polite and try to ensure them a safe and happy time, though i will say the sia physical intervention training can and will get you hurt, its not realisticly based, a fight in real life isnt choreographed, and the locks used will not deter a big/ strong and very determined opponent, or someone with fighting knowledge, we should not forget however that most apponents will possibly be pissed out of their heads by time they kick off with us so they wont be as sharp or accurate with their hands but let me tell you that addrenaline is an amazing thing, so dont assume cos their drunk they wont have the capacity to knock you about, i am a 3 dan black belt at kickboxing and former instructor, im also very experienced in krav maga, this training has gotten me out of a number of nasty situations when shit really hits the fan, so heres a heads up to those wanting to do door work, dont just do the sia and think your ready, get some training in combat behind you just to help give you an edge, a martial art such as bjj or krav maga is recomended, but again only use if necessary, end of the night or day if it does come to blows then we,ve failed.
@mathewstovell51677 жыл бұрын
Well said. I am about to go on an S.I.A door supervisor training course. I actually worked as a "Doorman" 16 years ago - when all you needed was a local council badge. I'm going back to the work - but of course need an S.I.A license. Even the people teaching these drills know they're useless, but hey-ho, they get paid to teach it. Of course, the Nightclub owners and Doorman agencies have less chance of being sued if/when a punter gets hurt. As they can say that they employed licensed doormen who "did the correct training".
@rancedavis48657 жыл бұрын
good on you mathew, yes i agree even the instructors on the courses are saying the intervention stuff isnt any good but have to teach it tto keep sia happy,
@fizzy34276 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this insight, rance, studying now for SIA. I would not have supposed these techniques would do any good. All I know for sure is that (from being half stamped to death as a youngster) that avoiding these street confrontations with people out of their senses and fuelled by testosterone is paramount. There's no time to be fancy when you're set upon.
@jimp71737 жыл бұрын
IV been on door for over 23 years and I did this course last year to keep myself up to date in my qualifications. But trust me the SIA course for doing door work is 99.9% a waste of time and money and the physical intervention part is a complete joke. The whole thing was obviously thought up by someone in an office who had never done door work before.
@harrygeorge72965 жыл бұрын
Just got my badge through mate only thing I am worried about is how easily you can loose it if you actually need to defend yourself. How easily can it be lost?
@undisturbed8095 жыл бұрын
@@harrygeorge7296 was the crouse hard in any way
@harrygeorge72965 жыл бұрын
@@undisturbed809 not at all mate a fucking idiot could do it.
@michaelmuirhead8038 жыл бұрын
as if the club at the is Zanzibar Stockton.on.tees haha
@TravisBickle03128 жыл бұрын
Michael Muirhead As if ;)
@masses_gains8 жыл бұрын
doing my onw next week
@jovanlazic78498 жыл бұрын
I have been involved in conflict management and physical restraint for over 30 years .. I use to be an SIA trainer and stopped because I do not believe that the physical part of the course is adequate and does not prepare people to be competent to physically manage truly aggressive people. I refuse to teach it and give false hope. There is little to no pressure testing so what is the yard stick to measure if someone can manage another individual on their own in self defence or as a team. The law says staff need to be trained to be competent, Section 2 (2), Health & Safety at Work Act 1974 .. Passing a course like this does not make you that !!! Being trained this way will cause people to get injured at the first sign of trouble because they are brain washed to believing that they have the skill, knowledge and judgment to manage aggressive individuals. SIA need to revisit the PI element. Get this right give good people the proper skills to do the job correctly !!!
@uknighthuntingvision938 жыл бұрын
+Jovan Lazic I'm a head Doorman and I would agree with SIA trainer that verbal skills are paramount but the physical intervention skills is a complete joke and of no use whatsoever. When on occasion the punter or punters want to throw hands or indeed attempt to stab or glass you then these skills or relying on them will get you seriously hurt or at least in physical trouble. Not the SIA trainers fault after all he is making money teaching you this; in his heart of hearts if he is an experienced Doorman then he will be thinking WTF!
@uknighthuntingvision938 жыл бұрын
Pantelis Tzimas lol The actor or the fictional character.............. Who knows!
@TravisBickle03128 жыл бұрын
Jovan Lazic I don't believe in most self defense techniques anyway, I'll go through the motions on the course but on the actual day if I'm in a fight I'll just double leg ya and call the cops.
@darrennorton40687 жыл бұрын
Jovan Lazic great reply. I teach extra courses to DS staff on self defence. I was a SIA trainer myself and like you stopped as it is not enough. Maybo is also the worst PI system I have ever seen.
@shadowpriest73865 жыл бұрын
I'm about to do my physical intervention day on Monday, doing licencing law at moment. but I have 20 years of martial arts training. Do you thing I should keep quiet and it?
@ozzykaptan88648 жыл бұрын
when you show up to do your sia course do they do a drug test?
@uknighthuntingvision938 жыл бұрын
+FreakonWheels No, and it is a shame that they did not do a Drug test on the Gov Wankers who formulated the SIA and its useless training. Clearly they were on heavy illicit drugs at the time.
@losedarkhorse9 жыл бұрын
Been at doors in Luton and have done some notoriously insane no go Venues on busy nights. You know when things about to kick off and sometimes it happens without any signs. 9/10 times your experience backed up by common sense will get you out of trouble and that 1 time you will have to resort to old school type conflict management. This sort of training provides students with artificial sense of security that they have what it takes to control and diffuse violent situation, in reality when the bell rings and you hear code red on the headset you see them become confused and looking lost. It's best to go through the course but not to rely on it to get you out of trouble, you spent time and learn but also safe guard your own safety.
@okcomputer60332 жыл бұрын
You aren't really making any point here. Maybe you just felt the need to be heard.
@nigelfarage692 жыл бұрын
@@okcomputer6033 he clearly made his point. The physical intervention part of the course is a waste of time and don’t rely on it for your own safety. Anything else you need explaining?
@okcomputer60332 жыл бұрын
@@nigelfarage69 sorry I actually agree with this it makes sense. I dont know why I reacted like that, I jumped to conclusion before understanding
@nigelfarage692 жыл бұрын
@@okcomputer6033 no worries! Enjoy your day.
@Lesturpin9 жыл бұрын
love to see wrist grabs work against a non compliant 20 stone drunk. people skills an communication are great but you got to be able to back it up when the shit hits the fan, fact
@michaelmuirhead8038 жыл бұрын
wrist lock works just apply more pressure and push backwards believe me you want the pain to stop and don't think of fighting then.
@katieferry14628 жыл бұрын
Only if the person is letting you apply it. what if the person happens to be punching fuck out of your face as you 'apply pressure'..then what? Or snarling like a rabid dog trying to tear your flesh with his teeth? Or heaven forbid he knows some moves too and sees your wrist lock coming from a mile away?
@michaelmuirhead8038 жыл бұрын
If you have locked in fast enough it no one could get a punch look the pressure hard seen it done to a massive guy in a night club and he tried to punch and couldn't do anything what so ever. I have seen many techniques used from physical intervention granted don't look like would work but I have seen them work first hand and fact is they do work.
@katieferry14628 жыл бұрын
Thats fair enough but then say you dont get it locked in fast/he knows how to fight..then what? Or you let go after he 'appears calm' and starts lacing you with headbutts. Will wrist locks work then?
@michaelmuirhead8038 жыл бұрын
Chop or palm strike to neck no matter how hard someone is all you do is try and breath nothing else crosses your mind like say you have pins and needles you don't try and do anything but move your feet same principle.
@ForseyMr9 жыл бұрын
Take your pick from Krav, Judo, Boxing or BJJ and fuck what the SIA say or want. None of it really works and most will get you seriously injured or killed against a pisshead hell-bent on chewing your nose off.
@GetToDaChoppa-k5r9 жыл бұрын
Kevin Foh I have a Degree, but because of the recession It is very difficult to find work in my industry just now. I will be undertaking the SIA next week, and yeah your damn right I will be learning some Krav ha ha
@ForseyMr9 жыл бұрын
Same as mate. Where I live the jobs for what I'm pushing to do are limited so I've worked in frontline security/doors for 3-4 years just because for the most part the pays not too bad and the hours are there/better than the dole haha. Yeah learn a few legit moves in Krav and only use them if all else fails. 8 out of 10 people you can talk and walk if I'm honest.
@GetToDaChoppa-k5r9 жыл бұрын
Kevin Foh Thanks for the feedback Kevin. Your right, better to be out working than on the dole or starving in the hopes of landing your dream job. I start the course next week, and hopefully it will help with the job search.
@michaelmuirhead8038 жыл бұрын
+Kevin Foh true
@TheChrisglasgow10 жыл бұрын
Its stupid courses like this that'll get people hurt.
@MrChilo8910 жыл бұрын
it easy to find work with this qualification?
@michaelmuirhead8038 жыл бұрын
I have had work since April Pheonix are great
@cestus6610 жыл бұрын
This crap is all about making money, leading ordinary people to believe that they can do extraordinary work. A defensive mindset will eventually get you injured or killed.
@alphadelta29548 жыл бұрын
+cestus66 - Would you prefer bouncers with an offensive mindset?
@amigosland887410 жыл бұрын
this guy looks like from job centre :D
@dustyants10 жыл бұрын
I start my SIA training in two weeks i'm looking forward to it
@moobsman111 жыл бұрын
I found that the on the job training I got was far more beneficial to me than anything the SIA taught me. Learn basic wrestling and either boxing or Muay Thai combined with all the 'dirty shit' and you are good to go. Hope you have a safe career boss.
@moobsman111 жыл бұрын
All that hand on wrist stuff wont work mate. You get some pissed off drunk who lifts weights and has a roid issue and try and grab his wrist while he is frantic... I bet my ass you wont manage it. The best thing to learn is pre emptive strikes for blunt force trauma. Hit hard hit fast and hit first if the guy is too big to grapple with. Classroom teaching only brings you up to date on how the government want you to do things. Guys who dont work at 2am on a Sat night.
@jameskmb11 жыл бұрын
any fucker grabs my balls i will fucking kill them lol gloves are off i didnt think about cunts doing that! i have just started security and have just done V fest. i havent had my first proper incident yet and i came on here trying to get a sort of refresher because i cant quite remember what stage 4 is stage 1 is open palms stage 2 is hand on the back stage 3 is hand on wrist but i cant remember whats next...this video must be old this is completely different to how i was taught
@christopherfozzy963911 жыл бұрын
in what world do you only put 1 guy out he has pals your only 1 man your going to get your ass kick doing this way lol
@itsmike92274 жыл бұрын
😂
@davidrobson67211 жыл бұрын
The training is inadequate for job, no one can have a weekend course can be trained to deal with intoxicated members of the public. When it comes to using the training the conscience will kick in and you will freeze. I've done aikido which is a martial art that is designed for getting out of a situation with without causing harm to the individual because aikido is all about redirecting the positive flow of energy coming from the person stepping towards you.
@TravisBickle03128 жыл бұрын
david robson Aikido is the fakest martial art out there.
@ForseyMr11 жыл бұрын
"And most of all, it has home office approval"..so its shite then!
@Nawweh11 жыл бұрын
I have been reading the comments, and I have to agree. It doesn't all work. And I should know, I'm an Instructor? I would like to point out though, that Maybo techniques is shite!!!!