thanks Esther. i grew pretty tired of all that rock n roll stuff after the band (which was a long time ago now ...) & this is more "me" ultimately. it's not going to give me any opportunities particularly, but it is enjoyable and engaging ... and very experimental - a lot of is is code driven, and there's not a lot of quality control that goes into the uploads ... not sure if you found this article if you were googling ... if the link doesn't work, just google "Mandelbrot Set Adelaide Review" ... see you in the next arse-wiping seminar?😀www.adelaidereview.com.au/arts/music/2020/09/24/the-mandelbrot-set/

thanks, that's very kind. i am really hoping to try and nail this ambient stuff down now at this point, although as with any creative stuff i think, as you get deeper into it, the law of diminishing returns starts to apply. none the less, pressing on as and when time permits (and it's looking like less rather than more going forward, but we all fight to find time for what we think is important i guess ...)

year - month - day ... these dated experiments and demos are usually done at the end of a day of editing / trailing different aspects of code or sound design. thanks for listening and commenting.

also. what do these numbers mean?

thanks. i am looking to keep this going now as a series as i work towards some kind of long-form live presentation and / or release ... i generally only make things private if there is an obvious step up in quality from a previous group in a series to the next ... as the idea develops over time. thanks for listening and commenting.

@@sligo715 the numbers are year / month / date ... these are all made quite quickly while i test code & ideas. the aim is to eventually combine all textures into some kind of multi-hour set / performance / releases ...

thanks for listening ...

thank you. that's a very generous assessment ...

yeah it is a bit glassy sounding (in the "non-Phil" sense ... although thinking about it ... maybe not! 😃) pushing on to try & find some variants to this approach to additive synthesis today ... thanks for checking it out!

thanks. a lot of my stuff is based around exploring generative strategies and creating scores, so i never thought i'd be able to really play live effectively. But then i had to look at potentially coming up with something & was listening to Randall McLennan's "Healing Music of Rana" a lot, did some digging, & discovered a lot of that was live into tape loops, so started exploring that & very quickly found yeah, it was surprisingly quite effective. Very happy with how the kind of disintegration happens through multiple feedback passes with the filters & "wobble" etc. Glad your enjoying...

Hi there. thanks for the very positive feedback. I would suggest the safest way to get my contact details is to do it through Datadoor, (info at datadoor dot net) & they will be happy to pass your email details through to me and i will email you back. I look forward to hearing from you.

update: also found you on twitter ...

@@aranyawaasii I saw! I sent you my inquiry via twitter just right now

i had to google that ...

@@aranyawaasii lmao it’s just that is giving some weird kinda out of body experience vibes yknow, nice work it’s a cool vid

@@rez6229 thanks. I'm always exploring different kinds of music making so i'm happy to hear this at least made some kind of impression ...

just a little frustrated at the moment. this was a fairly trivial exercise, so i might do some more ... (famous last words ...)

ahh thanks for that. yes i wandered into Andromeda on a regular basis, although Ian was probably sick of the sight of me after he realised i never bought anything. although i still have the laminated poster i did buy of the cover art of New Order's "Everythings Gone Green" etc ... that EP. As for the mandies EP, it did suffer a bit from "new toy" syndrome to paraphrase something someone said to me a while back. There needed to be a break between the recording & the mixing to spend some time with all the different stuff that was thrown down to tape just to sort out what was the minimum required to make the tracks work, the right pallette of FX etc. It was a "rush job" in the end essentially ... so if you can here something good in there somewhere, I'm happy to hear it. Thanks for the follow & the comments ...

Eric! lovely to hear from you. I hope you are well. Nick mentioned he had caught up with you. Please stay healthy & safe! (i visited Mike's resting place for the first time ever recently, partly at the behest of my new-ish partner ...)

@@aranyawaasii I'm good working at the Austral of all things, swing past

just something simple to do whilst getting over the lurgy ...

the sound of the Shanty Devas ...

i've been sitting on it about 25 years ... still waiting for you to take up bass ...

Thanks. Did you have short dark hair (& possibly used to be in a team with ... Adrian van Nunen? - who i just Googled & is apparently now a flamenco percussionist ... go figure. you've got me wracking my brains now ...)

@@aranyawaasii 😱 Is he? Really?!! Can't remember that far back, but know of him. Years ago now!

Don't wrack your brains. Keep making music 🎶 ☺

@@enzadegennaro9704 my brain tends to work on an involuntary basis ...

@@aranyawaasii Mindfulness can help apparently ☺

Hi there. I don't actually know that much about it, other than it was supposed to be happening. If it's out that's news to me. It's something to do with some Facebook group "Sound as Ever'? i think ... Sorry, can't be of much help ...

I remember you from work (won't say where) mid 90s, but didn't get to see you play. Enjoying the music now thanks ☺

@@enzadegennaro9704 ahh, OK. maybe your name does ring a distant bell now ... thanks for commenting.

@@aranyawaasii Don't expect you to know me by name. Find your music very calming and diverse! Keep creating ☺

@@enzadegennaro9704 Thanks Enza. I only actually had 1 job in Adelaide in the 90s (it was a common place of employment for aspiring musos in Australia ...), so putting 2 & 2 together i do have some vague recollection ... i left the public service & had moved to London by '97. Can't say I look back on that with much fondness, but there were worse ways to pay the bills, & there was a wide mix of people back then, thanks to the entry requirements being simply based on passing the test. & played a lot of table tennis in the cafeteria! I did return to that place in the early 00s on a contract, but the culture was very different & so i didn't stick around ...

@@aranyawaasii Awwww

err .. thanks! (even if that is sarcasm ... i don't really mind ...)

None intended

@@enzadegennaro9704 oh, well, thanks for listening., & the kind comment. not sure i'm doing anything with this. i like writing, but i get pretty bored with production pretty quickly, & i don't have a studio setup ...

@@aranyawaasii This is a great time for writing ☺

well certainly the most evocative comment to date. Straitjacket Fits one of the few bands i do find myself returning to occasionally ...

i've got L.B. "Dancing Across the USA" stuck in my head now ...

some don't agree wit how i do this. i git strait & meditate like a BOO-DHIST!

"am i ready?" is possibly a more pressing question ... Gordon Trenordon is certainly ringing bells, although I'm not 100% sure why ...

took me a while to track this down again ... ubu.com/sound/avraamov.html

Processing 3 (can't run 4 on my OS ...)

it needs to be carried further, but if it's actually listenable like this then that's a starting point ... in as far as i'll be around i'll keep chipping at it. it's more about the process than any specific 'piece'. once the plumbing works, one can simply turn the taps ...

thanks William.

I agree!

In Mile End? think i remember going to a party there once ... probably spent more time with Libby a year or 2 after that ... anyway, glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks Doug. I can pretty much guarantee you'll hate what i'm doing now then! Different styles of music really necessitate different ways of listening, just as they necessitate different approaches to performance & composition. By broadening our listening habits, we broaden our minds & become more tolerant and change & grow in our perspective. I know for myself, the music that has the longest shelf life is the music that i rarely comprehend on first listen, & it's the compulsion to understand that keeps me coming back. When I wrote this material i set out with quite a cynical mindset to create something as easily digestible as possible. Essentially, it's bubblegum. There's a place in the world for this sort of thing, & i acknowledge & very rarely occasionally still enjoy it, but man does not live on bread alone & all that ... This is in no way an affront please understand, simply a word of encouragement from the (now also significantly older) author & co-performer of this music. Best wishes & good health to you.

Hi Mark! Had wondered what had become of you. If you can dub that reel I'd be interested to hear it. Adam has been through a process of recovering & converting old demos over the last few years on & off. There is (inexplicably) some interest in releasing some of it. I wondered about this demo you referred to, it never seemed to get mentioned. Although going back a few years nobody seemed to have ANY demos, so I'm not sure how Adam turned anything up in the end. So, by all means, no rush, but if you managed to get the tape digitised let us know. Hope all is well in Sydney. Thanks for getting in touch.

@@aranyawaasii Been having some fun in my basement studio dubbing reel to reel. I've not got the 4 song demo off the big reel yet, still working on that. However it happens I also have a 1/4 inch reel of this 1990 3 song demo. I think I kept a copy when I submitted it to Triple M (I volunteered in the record library for a time). It is certainly the same recording of the same songs, but in a different order for some reason. The funny thing is the speed of this copy is much faster than yours! At first I thought my machine was faulty but the tape has a 1200Hz test tone at the beginning and it is playing back correctly (and no it's not 1000Hz sped up, I went down that rabbit hole for a bit...). My noodling on the guitar suggests this one is a semitone higher. My memory tells me you guys did usually play this song at this speed, but you know 32 years......you will know more than me I'm sure. Anyway enough rambling, its on my Soundcloud soundcloud.com/all74 at the moment (I'll private it after you have a copy) and I've PMed you my email on soundcloud so I can send you the WAV.

@@markkeller94 Hi Mark. After a quick listen that sounds too high & too fast. The song was played by me with capo on 2nd fret, so that should start the song in Db (or C# if you prefer ...). Anyway, I think this demo has been subsequently recovered from DAT, so there may be no particular value in this reel to reel for this demo. & I'm happy just hosting this cassette version on YT. Happy to give the other one a listen at some point however, but no rush! (ps. it's been a long time since i signed into Soundcloud, not sure what my passw0rd is just at the moment ...)

@@aranyawaasii Hey Tim, yeah not sure what went on with that reel to reel speed. Cassettes are so much easier and can sound great (like this demo). Anyway after borrowing a neighbors old reel to reel to check out the demo, it was really not playable as the tape was delaminating. I think this tape is the original 2 track for this demo (it has "The Mandelbroot" written on the front!) We then we used the same tape to mix down the last song "REM" recorded at Roughcut Studios Elizabeth. So cassettes to the rescue again as after a bit of searching I have a nice sounding cassette copy on chrome tape! (also contains a practice 4 track recording of the same track, was that in a school?) It's on my soundcloud soundcloud.com/all74. Get in touch...somehow.. it you want a copy (don't think soundcloud does download anymore). Been great getting in touch and remembering that year, going though my diary and remembering all the gigs, fun times. Cheers

@@markkeller94 had a quick listen. sounds ok for what it is! Not a world-beater though i must admit. "had potential" ... thanks for digging it out. i'll sing out if i need to grab a copy. but it's pretty rare i ever listen to this stuff, & i can't see that being "in the mix" for any re-release ... i think most of this planned CD is demos for the Kansas ep stuff ...

thanks. bit of an experiment. the problem with things like this is you tend to paint yourself into a corner fairly quickly. but i just felt like listening to something quite reductive like this. first time i've used a non 12tone tuning system in anything. something to think about here though certainly. let me know if you have any more thoughts about it!

Sorry Tim, not after a reply. Just wanted you to know that I loved all the early music you made... just wanted to say thankyou for the best years of my late teens, early twenties and the band scene in Aus you helped create.

@@MJT-001 no worries Michael. Not sure if i remember that gig or not too be honest. So long ago. "wrong place, wrong time" for the Mandies ultimately i think. The early 90s was a very polarising time in music. I think the Zeitgeist was passing us by ... best wishes & thanks for commenting / listening.

thanks. done very quickly (a few hours ...). some of the delay fx might be a bit heavy ...

or overstated excess ... take your pick! thanks for listening.

you're welcome. glad you enjoyed it.

Hi Tim. We were in the ABC on a few occasions in the end (bit of a long story). This may be recording time as part of the prize for winning J-Sessions in SA, but not 100% sure now. (The footage was recovered from a recently digitised tape that Nick's Dad had from their 'micro' tape 'Handi-cam' ... from memory that's what it was ...)

Hi Tim. good to hear from you. had thought of you a few times as i had finally been piecing together some increasingly finished-sounding music. I'm not on Facebook or Insta as it turns out. Perhaps i can find an email from you online & i'll mail you direct. I've just got back from a few days off-grid so i'll check out your stuff over the next few days. p.s. Forgot you were a big Kozelek head!

@@aranyawaasii yeah I looked for an old email too - I added you on twitter (datadoor is my little label) so can msg you via that if you follow me I think!

@@bazzhandler no worries, i followed you on there already.

"ain't we lucky we got 'em ..."

did you hear this one? it's a bit wayward but settles after awhile ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJSXgZ-Yos2sbKc (i had been dabbling for a bit prior to taking lessons. I think progress is 'OK'. Part of the issue is time when i'm still trying to keep other music directions on the go ... but obviously 'getting better' means you tend to play a bit more. Consistency is also a big issue. Some days much better / worse than others.

Thanks man. Hey sorry about the confusion with the comments. I was twiddling my thumbs a few months back thinking it would be good to collaborate with someone on some songs, but of course sod's law i'm quite busy now with a couple of other projects on the go ...

@@aranyawaasii Hey Tim, not a problem. The prospect scared the pants off of me anyway ha ha!

@@ephemerons oh god ... heh! I think your demo's are good! The original songs in particular, which is always a good sign ... But mainly i'm so focused on 'music' & arranging these days, it would be great to just hand a large chunk of lyric responsibilities to someone else, & share the playing & production load. I'm not a very good 'producer' ... 'chords' / structures / arrangements is really my number 1 thing ... & the bit i enjoy the most. Anyway, i seem to have drifted into this sort of 'fusion' project with a Sitar player, & i actually want to try & write some 'proper' instrumental music again over the next 6 months (with winds & strings etc ...). I have an occasional 'mentor' for that & he's given me a bit of encouragement so i think i might concentrate on it a bit more again & see if i can push it forward ... Every 'musical' skill i think is a useful one that can ultimately inform other types & styles of music. Anyway, write more songs dude! They're good.

@@aranyawaasii Thanks Tim, just added a new one actually :)