Okay, since writing this at Iron Gold few changes.. Including one major retcon on Gannymeade. But essentially: - He encourages the Obsidians violence and doesn’t discipline or restrain them for their atrocities. This directly leads to the Sack of Luna, the extermination on Mars and in Illium. - He in his own words doesn’t have a long term plan or ideological motivation for all the violence he does. He doesn’t believe in the Republic and is only doing so because he blindly follows Mustang. - He is thoughtless and ignorant. We know this because he starts thinking in Dark Age and Lightbringer. - Whilst he has some personal honour and respect for people. He seems to have no empathy whenever it comes to large groups of people killed as a result of his war. - He doesn’t really think about the politics and best way forward. In a story that could and arguably does end in genocide that’s dangerous. It’s entirely fortunate that he falls in love of Mustang who has a plan and is a Saint. Creating an actual democracy and freeing the slaves; without exterminating the Golds. - He shows an open disdain towards the idea of having a moral code up until Dark Age. He even refers to this as him always taking the shortest route to a problem and believing that’s always the best thing. Very end justifys the means:

We have repeated examples and statements that the Obsidians massacred civilians including on Luna against Red civilians. He tells Appolonius they were punished but then thinks they couldn’t because Sefi would be mad. He is never shown, prior to Lightbringer, punishing the Obsidians for their atrocities and romanticises his bond with them. In Lightbringer it is strongly implied in his inner thoughts that he ignored what they were and their violent tendencies as they commit genocide and slavery with the Ascomani. Because whilst he’s willing to accept Rouke can change he displays spectacular callousness towards civilians massacres at Phobos and the civilians fleeing. Telling Mustang it’s a good thing. His objection to Orion is an inflexion point in which he begins to doubt his path and realises how far one of his allies has gone. Up to that point he’s been willfully blind to the character of the people he’s taken into his cause. Because he’s leading a rebellion he should have had more interest in and expressed an understanding in the possibility of reform. This only happens with Mustang because he loves her. It’s only in LightBringer that he starts to think that maybe he can win over the Rim by talking to them instead of plotting to conquer them. Indeed he’s disgusted by the thought that he intended to do something quite similar to what Volsung Fa did at Sungrave. Being cynical in thinking of how he would “liberate” the city. In Lightbringer he realises that he has been taking the shortest path and realises this has only brought ruin and that gamble has not paid off. This is what he begins to realise when he gets to the Ash Lord and for the first time how much of a mess he has made.

because he decided to support a genocidal state (Israel)

America was the hammer to the ussrs anvil, the Ivan’s never got the credit they were due

Sure, let’s keep the slave state that is the Society. I’m sure Grant was the villain to the Confederate States

So are you sympathetic to the Nazi war crimes, Imperial Japan war crimes, or both?

@@FirstOfTheMagi The point is that there were no heroes in the war. It wasn't good vs evil, it was a power struggle between imperialists. Germany and Japan were upstarts competing against a global establishment- the West. Remember...the Nazi's took inspiration from the West. They were only copying what others have done (in different ways) all over the globe.

The Golds are spacenazi slavers, in what world is Darrow a villain??

Thank you very much. Pierce is such a fun dude to talk with. He really carried the conversation

Whoa! Awesome job and thank you!

This guy is the goat

I still need to figure out where LB ranks but nice ranks yourself. Dig it!

Haha, our Lysander stance has been challenged a lot lately. I would love to clarify though. We love his character, what he provides for the story, how he's explored in a literary fashion but I will always contend that he is an epically bad hang ever since Iron Gold

We did

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Lysander is a turd After chapter 84 he is now yhe biggest turd

Rest easy - the title isn't a spoiler.

I thought so too until this book

Revisit this comment after you’ve read Light Bringer, I would love to hear your input.

i turned on him in 5. not because he killed alexandar, but because he let kalindora die

You must've haven't read Light Bringer

@@bergmansvea8739 yea he went full tilt in a direction I thought he was better than, def understand the hate now, I am disappointed he went that route tho, the path he was on felt more unique but then felt like it got traded for a predictable path..oh well.