Taking It Slow

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@Mike-01234 21 күн бұрын

Also going to multiply the weight like a lever on the rear end of the vehicle towing with a 2500 pickup short bed want to move it back some effect could end up over grossing the cargo capacity.

@Takingitslow 21 күн бұрын

The only change in weight I saw was the increased weight of the SideWinder over a standard fifth-wheel kingpin. I kept a close watch on weight considering the nose was always heavier than what it should be. I moved everything I could in the RV back to help this as much as I could. The F350 front axle was always near max.

@warrenm374 3 ай бұрын

Is your wife sleeping? Why so quiet?

@Takingitslow 3 ай бұрын

I had the settings wrong when I compiled the video.

@jefferycomrie 3 ай бұрын

How does your "tri-pod" work under your pin box and is it really necessary?

@Takingitslow 3 ай бұрын

I modified the tripod so it set under the hinge point versus connecting to the king pin. The tripod adds a lot of stability to the nose from moving left and right.

@jefferycomrie 3 ай бұрын

How often do you "lube" the pin box?

@Takingitslow 3 ай бұрын

When I had it I added lube at least once a month. It really depends on your use and the weather.

@kevinmcgo 3 ай бұрын

Nice, thank you

@bobblack3870 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for this. It was also useful to see the sensor off of the tank - the important info for me is to know that nothing protrudes into the tank. Interesting The disadvantage of putting the Full sensor lower on the tank, is when it turns red, the toilet refuses to flush. Then the solution to that may be to include an "override" switch. That's where I am right now - wanting an override switch. Our tank is empty but something is causing the red light on one of our Techmas to register the tank as full. No flushee.

@Takingitslow 3 ай бұрын

There is a built-in override to flush even when it shows full. You need to push both buttons at the same time and hold them. The system will flush even if the system is so full it overflows, be careful.

@veronicanoll7793 4 ай бұрын

THANK YOU. WE KNOW WE HAVE IT CLEANED OUT, BUT SHOWS 2/3 FULL IN FRONT PANEL OF TOTERHOME AND WON’T FLUSH. SO, IT’S EITHER THIS PROBLEM OR THE SWITCH NO LONGER SEATED WELL DUE TO PRESSING TOO HARD AS ANOTHER VIDEO SHOWED HOW TO FIX THAT. EXCUSE MY LARGE LETTERS. JUST NOTICED. Thanks for video.

@Kevin-midmichigan 5 ай бұрын

Did you order the correct Block for the companion fifth wheel

@Takingitslow 5 ай бұрын

I had the correct wedge. It was verified by Reese. The issue was the space/gap around the King Pin and the locking jaws.

@georgedumond6948 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for posting this. Too bad you didn’t record all the steps. It’s hard to follow all the steps you took without all of it being videotaped.

@SegoMan 6 ай бұрын

Dexter has a bulletin that states you need cross bracing between the inside of the hangers.

@thomaspritchard6571 6 ай бұрын

One Montana owner to another, Thank You Sir for the video!

@guthriethornley8245 6 ай бұрын

😀 "promo sm"

@frankzicari784 6 ай бұрын

He does not know how to prep the area or weld.

@JohnDoe-zz3hj 7 ай бұрын

@1:35 freeze frame. L O O K. 1. bad weld - why cheap chinese metal frame glued to braket shackle. 2, Bad weld - hard to do, but he needs to butterfly weld that- carry the puddly to chinese frame, 3. Bad Frame - 1/8" LOL that the thickness of a motorcycle trailer. 4. Look at that leaf springs, MASSIVE, the size of a rental trailer-. welded to a 1/8" chinese metal frame. Now look under a rental trailer that hooks to a 1/2 ton pick up, and youll see a massive thick frame that is rated to haul a tractor but not recommended for the wgt & bulk that RV frames are carrying. The frame should be about as thick a leaf is the spring as a rule of thumb, So the trailer leaf is bout 1/4'' inch spring steel, the shackle bracket is bout 3/16" and glued to a 1/8" frame WHAT COULD GO WRONG at 60 mph?

@davehuber6949 7 ай бұрын

When the weld breaks that is a bad weld that is Lippert’s problem it is going to take people getting killed before they get held accountable

@DrFiero 7 ай бұрын

One of the reasons those broke (penetration etc aside) - the weld goes right to the end of the hanger. Supposed to stop about 1/4" from the end. Not supposed to weld across the ends either. I don't have access to the bulletin anymore, but it's out there.

@Takingitslow 7 ай бұрын

This one the penetration wasn't there. The weld was only on the surface.

@JuanPerez-ob7eo 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video well done

@fredhinck9685 7 ай бұрын

A simple, larger , triangular spring hanger is required. Three times longer than it's height. Companies build cheap to maximize profits.

@Livefreewhileucan 7 ай бұрын

More keystone garbage

@Takingitslow 7 ай бұрын

The frame is assembled by Lipert and these frames are on many other RV manufacturers. They too are having problems.

@jamesglenn520 7 ай бұрын

And Keystone is ultimately the one to inspect all of their products before building a trailer.

@carllennen3520 5 ай бұрын

@@Takingitslow Lippert makes the frames according to Keystones design specs. Keystone, as well as most RV manufacturers, are building their campers on anemic frames, intentionally to save on manufacturing costs, while selling their junk product for top dollar. The problem lies with BOTH companies. Lippert is spitting out terrible products, and Keystone isnt inspecting the quality of the frames they receive. ALL RV manufacturers need to investigated for the unsafe products they are pushing out onto the public. There are only a small number of manufacturers that are putting out a safe product, and they are seriously overpriced.

@Takingitslow 5 ай бұрын

@@carllennen3520 no argument here. This portion of the frame was modified the year after my rig was built adding in the V wedge between the front and rear hangers.

@tj549 7 ай бұрын

Shreveport Roads bent the axle on my toy hauler

@Cvan732000 8 ай бұрын

A PullRite SuperGlide hitch would be your best option, without the need for sway controls.

@trumpwon8231 8 ай бұрын

Great video, would be great to know were you bought those fittings

@Takingitslow 8 ай бұрын

I got all of the fittings from Amazon. Even the water meter seen in this video is also from Amazon.

@nomad636 7 ай бұрын

What filters from Amazon did you end up going with?

@trumpwon8231 7 ай бұрын

We went with the Vle tech. The system is working well. The water taste great. We do also have a filter on the cold line on the main sink. Just perfect . Love the small space of the unit and the hoses

@Takingitslow 7 ай бұрын

@@nomad636I am using 0.2 Micron High Flow Filter, Granular Activated Carbon “Tasty”, and Sediment “Longevity”.

@juliomunoz3719 9 ай бұрын

The type of welder he’s using is not enough heat for it to have good metal penetration. It’s gonna break again.

@stevebeaulieu2617 9 ай бұрын

Yes your right and nerver grind the rust too, just as bad as Lippet welder !

@fredhinck9685 7 ай бұрын

Looks like a Miller Maxstar. Even running on 110 volts, has the power to blow holes through the thin frame sections if one isn't careful.

@fredhinck9685 7 ай бұрын

Looks like a Miller Maxstar. Even on 110 volts it has the power to blow holes in the thin frame if one isn't careful.

@JohnDoe-zz3hj 7 ай бұрын

the problem is the frame is chinese crap metal. The US bracket gets glued to a chinese frame. By the time you find the right weld rod for that tin frame you'll note the rod has zero strength, use strong standard welding rod on that tin and it will be a bird shit weld. Just like you guys said,,, the 1st weld didnt penetrate the frame metal, The 2nd welded to the US bracket metal and glued to the frame again, that type of metal is so hard to weld and the chinese metal is inconsistent also.

@cbellaire 9 ай бұрын

Nice job.. thanks

@John-te4nu 10 ай бұрын

Better put some tape on to hrelp you back into it straight

@John-te4nu 10 ай бұрын

Had a Reese 5th wheel that i used for years and moved from truck to truck and only problem is that one time would not unhook after i lubricated it worked great

@Takingitslow 10 ай бұрын

I have heard from a few who state they had no problem. I worked with the company I bought it from and the manufacturer and it was confirmed I had the correct wedge and it was adjusted correctly. No one could give me an answer on how to fix the swaying. I sold the rv last year and now have a motorhome.

@Ricky-eo5ym 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for posting.

@Takingitslow 11 ай бұрын

I was surprised at how common this is.

@waltfriedrich7631 11 ай бұрын

So this is a poor design by Keystone not Lippert

@waltfriedrich7631 11 ай бұрын

Everyone wants to blame Lippert for all the issues.Some are their fault but most are the fault of poor rig design from the rv manufacturer. Montana has a long history of poor frame design...decades long

@markb9241 11 ай бұрын

That’s what happens when the Amish get their 12 year old kids welding shit together!

@carllennen3520 5 ай бұрын

The Amish dont make the frames. Lippert makes 90% of trailer frames. Its a separate company. The camper manufacturer buys the frames from Lippert, and build their campers on their frames. The Amish junk work is all in the box. The junk work on the frames, is a completely separate bunch of who cares kind of guys.

@rodgraff1782 Жыл бұрын

Looked like the original weld was a shitty job. No penetration. I would be Leary of the other welds on this trailer. The shackle brackets are one of the weakest links. The welders repair looked even worse. No penetration into the hangar. The weld looks like it is just lying on the surface. I don’t think I’d use him again

@Propnut48 Жыл бұрын

I have the Lippert turning point pinbox which does the same thing and one of the biggest problem I have is now the trailer wants to push the rear of the truck out from under the trailer in a turn. Because it essentially makes it tow like a towball travel trailer being it now pivots behind the tailgat instead of in the middle of the bed. We hit some water and almost lost all traction on the rear wheels and almost spun out. It scared the living crap out of us! These hitches are VERY DANGEROUS and cause a loss of control at the rear wheels. Its a good idea in theory but in reality its can be deadly and expensive. They should be banned.

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

That being pushed side to side is exactly what I was referring to making it feel like the rear of the truck is going to be pushed out from behind you. I too do not recommend these hitches.

@Propnut48 Жыл бұрын

Looks like it going to rip the head unit off the hitch.

@jamesduncan238 Жыл бұрын

Lippert should be investigated because they are having to many problems with Thier products before someone dies pulling these things

@jamesglenn520 7 ай бұрын

The rv manufacturer should be inspecting before building on the frame. And purchasers should be looking at what they are buying.

@erniedoor1795 Жыл бұрын

Lippert has had a lot of problems with frames cracking or breaking. I had the hanger brackets on my camper the frame had cracked over them. I had to weld plates to the frame that Lippert sells. I just made my own. Much cheaper that way.

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

My frame was still under warranty so it did cost me anything except time. My understanding was they were sending them free to anyone having this problem.

@roberttaylor8261 Жыл бұрын

Don’t under stand your Thaught on movement? The Kingpin is locked an not Guna move over a 1/2” when locked up?

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

You are correct in the movement the kingpin has with the jaws locked. I will use your 1/2" movement in my answer. To figure out how much movement that 1/2" will translate to at the pivot point first measure the distance from the kingpin to the point on the wedge that is tight against the fifth wheel plate. As in my case that was 3". However, the distance between the wedge and the pivot point was 19". That made it a factor of over 6. So the 1/2" of kingpin movement would give you over 3" of travel at the pivot point. To use as an example a titer totter. With the titer totter board centered the movement at either end of the board is the same. Now, move the board several inches from the center either way and then check the amount of travel for both ends. The side that is longer from the pivot point will travel farther. This is what is happening with the swivel hitch and allowing some swaying. This 3" of movement might not seem like much but when it moves from full left to right I could feel it hit and could feel the rear of the truck move when it hit. The truck is an F350. A turning road, side gusting wind, or a passing semi would make it move. I hope I have explained this better this time.

@roberttaylor8261 Жыл бұрын

@@Takingitslow I was thinking more of the North an South or forward an back when locked up? I see what you explain! It’s the Side to side or East an West Sway going down the road. Have you found with the Heavy Weight of truck an trailer swaying that this slides the Locking wedge back or wear it bad? I do Welding an fabrication work never realy seen one of these yet?

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

The only thing I saw was the thick paint they had on the wedge chipped off which loosened the wedge and fifth wheel connection causing me to move the wedge forward and in my case as far as it could go. @@roberttaylor8261

@plaraiii Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. Been looking into the sidewinder for some time, but wasn’t sure if sway would be an issue since the pivot point is moved back so far.

@Propnut48 Жыл бұрын

Don’t buy one. Go with a slider or Pullrite slider.

@robh063 Жыл бұрын

It looks to me that you have the wrong wedge. The wedge the Reese Sidewinder comes with is for the Reese hitch. You have to order a wedge for the B&W hitch. I had the same issue until I realized what the issue was.

@hectortaboada1474 Жыл бұрын

I have just ONE question lol what kingpin stabilizer do you have?!?!

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

This setup does not have a stabilizer. I am not aware of one existing.

@hectortaboada1474 Жыл бұрын

@@Takingitslow then what’s the tripod under it at the beginning of the video?

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

That stabilizes the nose of the 5th when parked, unhooked from the truck. It minimizes side to side movement. I thought you were talking about a stabilizer while towing.

@hectortaboada1474 Жыл бұрын

@@Takingitslowlol I’m sorry I can see how that’s confusing but yes what tripod do you have and is it worth it? Because the king pin stabilizers I’ve seen and asked there’s none specific for the sidewinder

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

@@hectortaboada1474 You are right they do not make a stabilizer for the sidewinder. I had purchased the one you see prior to converting to a sidewinder. So it was designed to fit around the king pin. But after installing the sidewinder connecting it to the king pin would be of ZERO value. What I found with mine was I was able to open the side brackets on the stabilizer, vise grips did the job, enough to fit around the knob on the bottom under the pivot point. The stabilizer wont hang for this point like it does on the king pin but it does hold the nose of the RV. My stabilzer has three side flanges and I bent the two side ones our just enough to go around the sidewinders knob. Hope this make sense.

@zoodski Жыл бұрын

I have a 22 F350 short bed and a 22 Montana high country 331RL. I also have a B&W companion hitch. I can turn about 80 degrees and still have clearance to my cab. Do you have the arms on your companion hitch pointing towards the cab instead of towards the tailgate? This would make a huge difference on your clearance to your rv.

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

I have the arms forward and in this position, I can turn more than 90 degrees. At first I had the arms towards the back and noticed I had a lot of clearance so I moved the arms full forward to move the weight forward. I still have a lot of clearance and can turn as tight as I need to, more than 90 degrees. I also found out the hard way that this tight of a turn will and in my case did break a rear leaf spring hanger bracket. Keystone provided the wedge block to weld inside of the hangers. Your 22 model should already have these blocks.

@REESEProducts Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve! Thank you for making this video on the sidewinder. Happy to hear you are enjoying it so far. As for your sway issue please ensure you have the correct wedge installed and that it is adequately tight. Our apologies that you are still waiting on a response from customer service team.

@daviddinkins4152 Жыл бұрын

I have the same Sidewinder and B&W Companion hitch, and I don't see any movement nor feel anything moving. I put mine on after I finally busted the window and cab corner. I'm very pleased with it now. I would triple verify that they sent you the correct wedge.

@philsalsbery9994 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your video. I am surprised at your displeasure with the Reese Sidewinder pin box. I have a 2017 RAM 3500 SRW 6'4" bed truck with Ram Boxes. It is a truck very similar to your Ford. I reached out to e-trailer for a solution for my desired 5th wheel towing and they recommended I get the Reese 19K Sidewinder pin box mated to the Reese 20K Titan 5th wheel hitch in the bed of my truck to tow my new at the time 2018 39 foot Montana 5th wheel. RAM would NOT install their 5th wheel puck system in my special order truck due to the possibility of a standard 5th wheel pin box impacting the insides of the Ram Boxes during sharp turns, from a liability standpoint, so I needed to install above bed rails in order to install my 5th wheel hitch . E-trailer recommended I use Reese on Reese products for pin box to hitch, for the best and safest fitment of the wedge on the bottom on the pin box to the hitch. I've been using this combination for 4+ years, with over 12K miles of towing all over the western United States with nothing less than a very comfortable, confident and safe towing experience. You only talk about the pin box, but you don't mention the hitch in your truck. Is it a Reese hitch? My Sidewinder came with 2 different wedge blocks for mounting one of them under the pin box in the correct position to ensure the best secure fit to the Reese hitch in the bed of my truck. Your truck's in bed 5th wheel hitch may be the problem causing the loose fitment and the resulting sway you are seeing while towing. My pin box fits perfectly into the hitch in the bed of my truck, so much so that it is sometimes difficult to disconnect the trailer from the hitch unless my truck is nearly straight to the trailer. I would recommend keeping your high $$$ Sidewinder pin box, and ensuring your wedge block is the correct one in the correct position to engage your truck's 5th wheel hitch. The pin box and lightly greased wedge block should slide in and lock with zero movement side to side or up and down. Save your $$$, because replacing your costly Sidewinder pin box, and purchasing a super heavy, bed space consuming, slider bed hitch will cost several thousands of $$$. At the very least, reach out to the folks at e-trailer and explain your issues with them. They are very helpful and will save you a bunch of $$$. I am just trying to help you out here as a fellow RV guy. Which Montana do you have? We have a 2018 Montana 3560-RL Legacy with full body paint and some other custom features . It cost me a damned fortune, but the wife wants what she wants, and it's the last RV we will ever be buying, so we special ordered it. I'd love to hear how you resolve your hitching and towing issues. Thanks again for the great video.

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

Thank You for the response and details. I am new to creating videos as you can see. My equipment is a 2017 F350 short bed, 2021 Montana 3790RD, Reese 20k Sidewinder, and a 20k Companion hitch. When I ordered the Sidewinder I did talk with the eTrailer sales team to ensure that I was getting a system that would work together. From there direction I ordered the wedge for my Companion hitch and the spacer plates as the Sidewinder mounting was narrower than the Montana mounting brackets. The instructions for the wedge were to have the 2 welds forward towards the hitch witch it is. I have also adjusted the wedge as far forward as it can go and still lock the jaws. I am going to pull the wedge and do another test fit in the hitch to verify where the block contacts the hitch. The paint on the block has worn off where I would expect it to on both sides but wonder if both sides are in contact at the same time. The block has a v-wedge on both sides, about 2/3 back from the front. If these are keeping the wedge from moving forward and keeping the front part of the wedge from making contact on both sides at the same time this would have to be the cause. I have also watched every KZbin video that I can find about this Sidewinder and I see the same movement. In these videos even though I see the same movement no one mentions it. I have also reached out to the manufacturer. It took them several weeks to respond asking for photos and measurements. I sent them right away over a week ago but have not heard anything back. I am not looking for no movement, as this would be unrealistic, but what I currently have is too much side-to-side movement.

@philsalsbery9994 Жыл бұрын

@@Takingitslow Hi again, I can understand your frustration, because as by definition, the 'wedge' block should make solid contact on both sides of the hitch while towing to eliminate any side to side sway. I have wear marks on both sides of my wedge and on both sides of the hitch body just back from the jaws where the wedge is. I spray white lithium grease on both sides of both surfaces every time I connect my RV to my truck's hitch. While uncoupling, once the hitch lever is unlocked, I often need to bump my truck in both forward and reverse a couple times to loosen that bond between the wedge and the hitch with the front level up legs on the RV just barely off the ground by about a 1/2 inch, just for safety. My Reese Titan hitch has the lever which rotates up to unlock, but is often difficult to pull out. So, I use a rubber mallet to tap on the hitch arm to break that seal between the wedge and the hitch, then the arm slides out. I know it seems like it should uncouple easily, but while towing for many miles, that wedge nests itself into the hitch eliminating any sway type movement. Sometimes it releases easily, sometimes it needs some persuasion from the rubber mallet on the handle. Once the handle moves about an inch, it slides right out easily. I guess what I am getting at, is that the wedge needs to be relatively tight into the hitch, and just enough to allow the jaws to clamp onto the kingpin, while the wedge is tight fitting into the hitch. I gotta tell you, once you have the wedge in the correct orientation to make good contact with the hitch all along a good few inches of surface on both sides, the RV will tow like a dream with the only movement at the pivot point under the nose of the 5th wheel as designed. Seems to me that you need to ensure you have the correct wedge to make that perfect contact to the hitch. I hope all of this makes sense to you. Happy travels, best - Phil

@philsalsbery9994 Жыл бұрын

This might also help, in order to find that perfect wedge location, provided you have the correct wedge to fit your hitch. Take just the wedge block and slide it into your truck's hitch to the point of contact on both sides, then measure from the center of the king pin location in the hitch to the front of the wedge block, then copy that measurement from the center of the kingpin on your pin box, and scribe a mark on the bottom of your pin box for the front of the wedge location. Then bolt your wedge with the front of it right on that scribe mark. You may need to back the wedge off no more than about 1/8" to avoid any possibility of heavy binding once fully connected. I'm just trying to help here my friend, as I fought to get my wedge in the perfect position. Once I found it, the ride has been nothing less than perfect.

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

@@philsalsbery9994 with my Companion hitch my jaws lock is a lever that I pull to the back to lock. I have had the wedge block too far forward where I could not get the lever back to the locked position and had to move the wedge back. I have noticed that it is important to back straight to the pivot point in order to get it to lock. I am guessing the wedge is hitting on one side and not the other preventing the kingpin from setting far enough in when this happens and have had to pull forward to align it. I did a test fit when I bought this setup and it looked good then. I to have wear marks on both sides of the wedge and receiver but this could be from it moving as I go down the road. I am planning on pulling the wedge to do another test fit. I will also measure the distance from the front of the wedge to the kingpin center and then place the wedge only in the receiver and measure that space too with the jaws in the locked position to ensure a good measurement. It would be nice if it is just an adjustment issue.

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

Finally got the right socket to pull off the wedge. I tested it in the fifth wheel slot and it is a very nice fit touching three inches on both sides. I measured the space between the wedge and the back of where the jaws lock around the kingpin. On the test fit there was a 1/2" gap. With the wedge mounted back on the swivel it is just over a 1/2" gap. If I turn the adjusting wheel one lobe I am not able to lock the fifth wheel jaws. (This one lobe is all of the forward adjustment it has left.) Putting it back the one lobe and I can close the jaws with some force on the locking arm. I am not able to move the wedge any further forward and the test fit of the wedge was tight. So as I see it I live with the side-to-side movement or remove the swivel hitch for a solid one and put a sliding fifth wheel in the truck bed.

@Takingitslow Жыл бұрын

I have reached out to them a couple of weeks ago about this side-to-side movement but they have not responded.

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