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@Coilzz 22 күн бұрын

I feel like Garrosh is a tradition person while Thrall is like a woke person.

@blooddrawer 2 ай бұрын

1.6 million views and yet only 296 subs

@jewil Ай бұрын

true i've been viewbotting this non monetized video slowly over the past decade

@nooneinparticular5273 3 ай бұрын

In the end, I would say they are both wrong. Cause ultimately, Garrosh did commit unspeakable atrocities. He killed countless people and the leadership gap that the end of his reign caused in the Horde is what led, ultimately, to Sylvanas' rise to power and even more atrocities. He did do what he did for the Horde, but what he did ultimately only destabilized the Horde and nearly destroyed it. But Thrall's not blameless. Thrall stepping down as warchief was fine, but he had responsibilities that he shirked. Thrall, at that time, was one of the few people Garrosh truly respected, who could somewhat talk down Garrosh's impulsive side. But when Thrall stepped down he just said "Alright Garrosh, I'm out. You got your dad's axe, uh... Varok and Vol'Jin's phone numbers are on the fridge if you need anything. I think you're all set. Good luck! I'm off to go talk to trees and dirt." If Thrall had stuck around as an advisor for a bit, a lot if problems would have been avoided. Garrosh was a warrior and a military leader. He had no exoerience as a politician. No serious concept of diplomacy. If he was stronger than you, he saw absolutely no reason to listen to you if he didn't like what you were telling him. He didn't have the wisdom a leader needs. Thrall could have helped him learn it better.

@davidoliver9655 3 ай бұрын

Kinda funny how both guldan and thrall broke the rules of mok gorah

@Xylarxcode 3 ай бұрын

'All I did, I did for the Horde.' He ain't lying. At least, not from his perspective. He really did want to make the Horde strong and powerful and gave it everything he had to make them such. But the vision Thrall had for the Horde was vastly different than the vision Garrosh had. Garrosh is many awful things, but he's not lying about that one. He truly believed that making the Horde the biggest, most powerful army it could possibly be was their destiny. That they were meant to be conquerors that should crush all opposition underfoot and rule supreme. He died believing that and even in death, he still stuck to his guns. Dude had conviction, if nothing else.

@hakanleventkaplan7952 3 ай бұрын

Cheating to win the fight!

@pikminscool 4 ай бұрын

Thrall cheated using 3rd party, the element powers and not his own

@christtel1484 4 ай бұрын

Comimg back. The whole "thrall cheated" goes out of the window when Thrall had decided this was the moment he had to deal with Garrosh after all he did. No honor no rules would let garrosh walk out of this. This was also a fitting end for Garrosh that even in the Shadowlands, he didnt regret a single thing. Good overall storytelling across multiple expansions

@DragonicGameSlayer-DGS 4 ай бұрын

Will world of warcraft ever come to console

@Marc0932671 5 ай бұрын

Watch this cinematic back again and realising that. Garrosh had so much plot armor in this figth. He should be dead after the 1st hammer blow to his face. But no, he takes 3-4hit directly to the face with the Doomhammer, no blood, no concussion, nothing.... It's hilarius to think that if Thrall had a axe too, Garrosh would have been dead under 15 secondes of the figth, probably decapitated.... Thrall did use his elemental in the end to win. But tbh, judging by how many blow he landed with that hammer he shouldn't have needed them.

@theorangerabbit8006 5 ай бұрын

Omg those skype pings sent me hella back.

@2chaskell 5 ай бұрын

this deserved to be a full cinematic

@purpletylenol7787 5 ай бұрын

In death, like he was in life: a blind self centered thug.

@cthulhu_original 5 ай бұрын

Thralls a little bitch

@cthulhu_original 5 ай бұрын

Should take off the spoiler from title

@jewil 5 ай бұрын

it's a spoiler for wod classic

@warriorsorrow8947 5 ай бұрын

Throll noob , galapagos was a only doing the right ting for orcs only mon. I mean the da " horde " Thrull should have helped gallosh instead of leaving and letting gamush become redpilled. He only wanted to follow in his reformed one shotter Grom Gelscreams hoofsteps. This all lazy on purpose tho. WoD could have been a legendairy reset for WoW. A new shet for WoW. But nooo some ppl at top gotta make it less fun and less quality as possible. WoW could have been Coca Cola but it is instead Coal juice. Leaving us to see it as a diamond.

@CHIEFLUKE101 5 ай бұрын

Thrall cheated

@milosnovakovic1724 5 ай бұрын

Anikin vs Obi one wine😁

@DrakonlordEreshkihal-vf5o 5 ай бұрын

@bluntlyhonest6803 5 ай бұрын

i still remember the first time i watched this and saw Thrall channel fire, that he would go on to become an even more conflicted character than he already was. He dishonored himself big time by using magic in the tradition duel.

@robotactics6635 6 ай бұрын

So Thrall cheated in a Mak'gora, got it... ummm Guldan much? Guess your pop's death didn't teach you anything...

@suvii244 6 ай бұрын

Garrosh should ve bought a trinket

@Buoyant_Bear 6 ай бұрын

When the Warcraft movie premiered, I distinctly remember people sitting near me saying aloud, "He's a cheater just like Thrall" when Gul'dan used fel during a Mok'gorah.

@angkhoanguyen6114 3 ай бұрын

*Mak'gora

@animathehallowed1380 6 ай бұрын

Thrall, you cheating b*%ch! 😂

@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын

Magic is not forbidden nor cheating.

@animathehallowed1380 6 ай бұрын

@@papapalps2415 it really is though. Unarmed or the weapons brought into the fight. Just like Gul’Dan dishonorably killed Durotan and Sylvanas dishonorably killed Saurfang

@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын

@@animathehallowed1380 It isn't. The movie isn't canon (the...the fact I need to even state this is a truly astonishing indicator of just how utterly vapid most people who utilize the Internet are), and Sylvanas didn't cheat by using magic, either; she literally does so constantly throughout their fight (the daggers being enhanced being the most obvious, as well as whatever strength augmentation mumbo jumbo she has going on). She 'lost' the fight because she -is a drooling poorly written 'tard- doesn't really care about Azeroth or keeping up appearances by that point, and makes it very clear verbally. There are a myriad number of examples of magic being utilized in Mak'gora with nothing being noted to be amiss (most hilariously the literal ENTIRE OTHER Mak'gora Garrosh and Thrall had. UH-OH). Here's a hint; Mak'gora -is a thinly concealed plot device- doesn't HAVE a standardized ruleset. The rules vary from case to case, based upon what is agreed upon mutually by the combatants beforehand. Seeing how Thrall and Garrosh seemingly never established any rules to begin with, and that Garrosh also never brought up it being TEH DISHONOUWUABLE during or after, the conclusion should be obvious.

@animathehallowed1380 6 ай бұрын

👍

@animathehallowed1380 6 ай бұрын

Cool beans my guy. I stopped playing during this expansion as the game had become complete ass and FarmVille with the garrison bullshit. So, ima go raise my child now and go have sex with my wife later this evening and you have fun vehemently explaining things from crap Blizzard. Toodles.

@Evil0tto 6 ай бұрын

Some of the comments here blame Thrall for the actions of Garrosh, but that's not the truth. It's like the bank robber claiming that society was to blame for him robbing banks. Thrall did screw up in picking such an obviously deranged orc for the position, but I remember at the time the justification was "The Horde loves Garrosh." And unfortunately that's sometimes how political decisions work. In Azeroth, just as in the real world, the opinions of the populace matter. Thrall couldn't just name anyone he liked as warchief. The Horde had to be willing to follow, and they were willing to follow Garrosh. Thrall seems to just have assumed that everything would work out while he went off and did his Shaman thing, that the Horde wouldn't immediately start escalating the war that started at the Wrathgate. And once someone is in power they often can't be pried off the throne by anything short of civil war. For Garrosh to blame Thrall is just him trying to cast blame everywhere except himself. Garrosh is to blame. HE made the decision to butcher his way through Ashenvale. HE made the decision to bomb Theramore using a WMD after his forces had already pushed the retreating Alliance to the heart of the town. HE made the decision to invade Pandaria, and to use the power of an Old God to try and win. HE chose to travel back in time and alter the history of Draenor, creating an alternate timeline for the sole purpose of invading Azeroth... and he fully supported the Iron Horde's attempt at genocide. All of it was on him. _All of it._ Claiming the elements care about an honor duel is just bad writing. They don't. I suspect the reason that Thrall can't use the elements is because he's holding himself back. He believes he cheated, even though he didn't. Magic isn't forbidden in a mak'gora. As for me, my main is a Draenei Paladin. My attitude towards Thrall's battle with Garrosh was "It's time you take out the trash, Thrall. This is long overdue. Your fault was in not challenging this insane butcher long ago."

@Evil0tto 6 ай бұрын

@HansMoleman. I always love low-effort responses from the two digit IQ crowd.

@icebergerplays9639 6 ай бұрын

@@Evil0ttothank you for pointing this all out its funny how thrall uses a little bit of magic and everyone else freaks out saying garrosh was a good guy because of that moment but he definitely wasn't. Also your reasoning for your character is great.

@BIacklce 6 ай бұрын

remember garrosh did nothing wrong and thrall was the true villian

@ZombieMarkTwain 6 ай бұрын

Watching this almost a decade on makes me realize how much potential WoD had. Garrosh was such a good character. I really wish Thrall would've gotten what he deserved.

@Evil0tto 6 ай бұрын

Meh. Garrosh was used up as a villain and deserved to get his head caved in. When someone's plan involves using time travel to create an army then they're done, because that's the sort of idea a comic book supervillain would come up with.

@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын

...A happy family and life from the war? Yeah, I'd say Thrall got what he deserved, tbh.

@garsux6065 6 ай бұрын

Garrosh did nothing wrong

@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын

Well, being being a murderous maniac that literally turned himself into an eldritch abomination/actively using literal Old God mumbo-jumbo (because he's insane), but I mean, pfft, 'cheating' in a fight to the death? Irredeemable, truly.

@GPTLeader 6 ай бұрын

Totem Totem dude , Chidori him 🫣 💀

@ninjor9800 6 ай бұрын

Why did Thrall lose his powers after this? Surely its not the first time he has used the elements to kill.

@BIacklce 6 ай бұрын

because hes a fraud and weak, he manipulated the elements for selfish purposes

@WillDoran-k6v 6 ай бұрын

best in-game cinematic they’ve ever done. shame that nowadays they’re just used for long shot-reverse-shit dialogue sequences

@nogunk147 7 ай бұрын

Isnt magic forbidden in Mak'Gora? Thrall cheated

@Evil0tto 6 ай бұрын

Nope. Magic isn't forbidden, despite a lot of the people in these comments claiming that it is. It was forbidden only in the Warcraft movie... which isn't canon to the game.

@Shub-Nagruth 7 ай бұрын

There is any SL expansion. No sanctum of domination. He is dead here, like a true warchief

@abaddonmorningstar8871 7 ай бұрын

What the fuck do you mean "spoilers" this is old content

@Sufian12341 7 ай бұрын

I thought magic wasn’t showed In a makgorah

@Evil0tto 7 ай бұрын

To everyone saying Thrall cheated, he didn't. Magic isn't forbidden unless both parties agree beforehand. It's a contest of strength, but that doesn't mean just physical strength.

@Domwyn 7 ай бұрын

he did cheat, its one weapon for gods sake, he had the doomhammer which is one of the most powerfull weapons a giant ass chestplate and the audacity to cast magic. Garrosh could´ve killed thrall easily, he was on top of him but he waited for him to stand up and fight. Im not a garrosh stan, I like thrall and hell I even main alliance, but he defintly cheated, no doubt in my mind.

@Evil0tto 7 ай бұрын

@@Domwyn Cite your source. There's no rule that says "no magic." That's from the Warcraft movie, which isn't canon with the game.

@Domwyn 7 ай бұрын

@@Evil0tto I´ve never said that magic was illegal. But you need to choose A weapon not two. You can see how Garrosh was surprised of the use of his magic. Thrall came as a warrior, he lost, then he fought like a shaman. If magic was his first weapon of choice, why didnt he use it in the first place? It was his last resort. It was unhonorful, while garrosh fought honorful. Even though he was on top of thrall punching the shit out of him. No he stood up and waited for thrall to get up.

@Evil0tto 6 ай бұрын

@@Domwyn Again, there's no such requirement. It's a test of strength, and whatever strength the user has is fine. Garrosh had nothing _except_ brute force, while Thrall had his big-ass hammer and magic. The rule is that you can't pick up a lost weapon, but there's nothing to say you only have to use one weapon. Saurfang uses two weapons from the start of his duel with Windrunner. And when he loses his axe he splits Shalamayne into two swords and continues the duel after Windrunner pauses to taunt him.

@Domwyn 6 ай бұрын

@@Evil0tto good point with saurfang

@Buffaloguy01 7 ай бұрын

I do not rely on strength alone, Garrosh. My cheating magic is all around you!

@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын

If you think 'cheating in a duel to the death to beat a murderous tyrannical maniac' is actually some OMGFUL morally 'wrong' thing to do, even if the idea was true (it isn't; magic isn't forbidden, and Mak'Gora doesn't even have standardized rules to begin with), I have a piece of beachfront property in Arizona I want to sell you.

@hakanleventkaplan7952 7 ай бұрын

Garrosh is definetely not honorable Will stop at nothing to reach his goal even kill innocent lives honor he has not he will not no about honor. He only thinks of himself arrogance and hatred has filled his heart no place for tranquility.

@hakanleventkaplan7952 7 ай бұрын

Garrosh won the fist fight here.

@GreekSouvlakiFtw 7 ай бұрын

GARROSH DID NOTHING WRONG

@bwrp10 8 ай бұрын

Thrall did nothing wrong. Fuck Garrosh.

@Domwyn 7 ай бұрын

well he cheated tho

@papapalps2415 6 ай бұрын

@@DomwynEven if this idea was true (it isn't, magic isn't forbidden in Mak'gora usually, which doesnt even have a standard ruleset to begin with), if your personal moral system actually, unironically ranks 'cheating in a duel to the death to put down a literal tyrannical overlord' as even vaguely notable relative to the moral good of 'putting down a blatantly evil tyrannical overlord', I'd seriously suggest you need to start re-evalauting how you view the world, because it's geniunely unhealthy.