Such a good review. Please more of that!

One thing you didn't mention that I want to ask. The Ono 115 (or even the 105) are technically larger than the BP's 98in area. But the BPs is more concentrated together, like it is on the Stingray. So here's the question... does the Foil X L FEEL like a smaller blade with slightly less resistance per stroke than the Ono Ava 115 or 105, or does it feel the same due to the more concentrated together area?

Nice input. I totally agree on injuries advice. I was very happy with Ono Ava 105 but now with elbow issue I moved to old smaller paddle to limit pain. Next one probably stingray or black project small size

Good stuff Patrick !

I design my own foils and my latest one shares a lot with the code S series except I'm not using the high modulus carbon. With the tricks bird's wing profiles use, wings don't have to be thick to get good lift these days. It's transitioning to being mechanically strong enough and a lower aspect ratio wing can get away with being thinner because of less tip leverage. This saves on carbon, reduces swing weight, reduces swing resistance and permits for a lower volume of water displaced and released by a foil's motion. I think Code have figured a lot of this out too. Most of the leading manufacturers are heading in that direction. And of course, lower aspect ratio translates to better roll and more fun.

What foil were you using?

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Looks sweet! What front wing were you riding?

i like disco, butter, AND foils. i guess i gotta get it

The best part of this video is watching you ride through all the surfers sitting in the water. What do the regular surfers say to you, are they pissed about riding though the lineup? You spend 80 percent of your time riding, regular surfer 5 percent. Larry

Code 850/980s versus Unifoil progression 140? Thoughts?

No custom traction?

Sick boards! Amazing resin work!

Iam very disapointent , ive got the yellow one the surf , iam concider of keepn it or sell it and looking for a stronger board on the market , ive tryed the starboard its unbreakable!?

The overall carbon layer at the rails are not strong , My leash was making dings, ?!

Its a very fragile board , the contruction is not like a wingdrifter, the carbon is not do dureable?!

I didn't see this one until now but I agree. My latest design has even thinner sharp tips but I'm not using the same very high modulus and I have a thicker centre section to socket the chunky front foot of an Axis mast. Something half way between what I've seen of the F-One Sk8 and this foil. Absolutely agree about perfomance of those tips. A bit more area than an Axis ART1099 with slightly more span at 1 meter and a much bigger chord variation, I lent mine to a friend yesterday and he was mostly doing same speed on both when I looked at his graphs. This code would be faster, there's a consistent thinner chord. None of these pointy wings are right for beginners though. Too much wing popping out of the water violence.

Great vid guys. Just discovered your channel and loving it!

Hi guys. Great vid. Can i ask, what are the three black and white tags on top of the Crossing?? Thanks

I feel like I’m there miss you guys

Hey guys, I disagree on that. I am using a 90cm mast, which I also use for winging, and it gives me enough range to ride without touching with the motor, most of the time. Using a 20cm cable length. Yeah, the cost is obviously a tough one. But I can use my same wing/prone board Duotone Sky Surf 4'6" for surfing and Downwinding. On a 1000cm Whizz Duotone which I just found out is amazing for Downwinding and Wake thieving and surfing slow and small waves, thanks to Foildrive. So instead of buying a DW Board and Foil, paddle, (bigger car😉) I got the Foildrive. But I respect your ethics of wanting to paddle!

Thanks for a Great review. What size of the Surf model would you recommend for 75-80 kg intermediate/advanced wingfoiler for surfing windswell/waves with Wing and 1050 Fone sk8 foil?

Any reviews on the new North Horizon board? How does it compare with the KT Dragonfly series?

so helpful. thx for the review. now i just need to come up w/the $ for the Surf model

Thanks for the review! How has the Dfly 2.0 changed from the previous year?

You missed a big point about foil drive enabling you to get up wind on motor without using a car.

I loved everything about this video. Thank you guys for getting me my surf!!! I love it

I really appreciate the DIY cardboard skate/wing rack.

Wicked review guys! One question mark for me is in relation to how the front foot ramp will go with foils like Code and Armstorng, that like to be further forward in the box. It might feel weird to have to have your front foot on the ramp in order to have your CG over the foil. Hopefully this is not the case. Would appreciate hearing what foils you used with the Crossing and your opinion on this. Thanks a million

Were you using the same wing with the 4 masts? If so, which one was it? (Brand and size). Thanks

Agree about all the limitations of the Foil Drive gen2. What most people don't know is that, as long as you have a board big enough that you can stand on it (with the help of cruise control speed) and you manage to place the battery box in between your feet, the Foil Drive Plus is far superior imo. Here's just a couple of the many reasons why I think that: - I can place the pod as close as 10cm from the bottom of the board (closer than that and it cavitates). That means that, even with a 75cm mast, my pod NEVER touches the water while flying. Not even need for tape at that height. - I can use a small battery and the total weight is WAY less than a Max (or even a Slim!) My board is 4.10x26x85Lx10pounds. Thanks to the fact that I help the take-off with paddling, I can use as small of a foil as I can handle. This video shows an epic run in Maui with an F-One Eagle 690: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGObe3ecaLKcp8k I've done hundreds of runs like this (starting with an Eagle 890 and then progressing to the 690) and the Foil Drive was absolutely key for my skill improvement. At this point, I could easily get a barracuda style board and do downwinders unassisted, but I have no intentions to do so because I would need a bigger foil (at least 1000) to get up. What's better a 4.10 board with a 690 foil or a 8 footer with 1000 foil? No brainer for me! Cheers.

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Any chances you tried the cedrus evolution wind ? I’m only winging and as a lighter rider I tend to feel or to be more sensible to ventilations issues ? Had the NL v1 and cedrus original and both were bad with ventilation! Thanks

The catch is about 10000 usd. For most people I guess!

I see the foil assist as a tool to get out to the wind line and ride a small board but once out there its a hinderence. My question about the new downwind board shapes is there a downwind board that's stable enough to comfortably stand up and paddle out 2 miles (not on foil) in chop to the wind line and swell and still be efficient enough to pop up ? My only experience is on the KT Dragonfly 7'7 x20 @160lb and when it's choppy it's not very efficient or stable enough to go the distance.

how is it breaching tips on the silk. my kujiras didn't do well with that

Yeah boys, good stuff! Foil Drive is cool, but in my opinion it really shouldn’t be used for downwinding. Foiling is expensive already, and to add one of those to the quiver is next level bucks and the main thing to me is downwinding is a fricken journey, hardest thing I’ve ever done, and the suffering and pain is all a part of it and through that you learn the most. For those of you trying to get into it, keep going, head down. You’ll get it eventually and experience one of the coolest things you can do on water. 🤙🏾

Brah!! I’ve got such a long ways to go to get to where you are now. It looks like you’re really starting to enjoy it though

awesome rundown guys. hope I make it back to the west coast one day to ride with you guys again. Patrick was my sensei for a day before my first Chicama trip.

Wrong foot forward! Mast height could be improved as mentioned… that is my main issue too currently, I think not being afraid of the breach is key… but has to be weighed against how easy is it to then get going again and also how powered up are you, with bigger foils you often don’t need to ride as high but still should. Your lines look about as good as they can to me in those conditions. It’s a hunting line. You don’t seem to be turning down any of the bumps but are running across them, but I can see there’s not much space to work with as they are all close together. I’d say this is when you would be better off riding higher to start tapping in to the smallest chops a bit more and the perhaps being able to come back down to your comfortable height as you try run down wind a touch for a quick rest. Before going back on the hunt across the waves with a high mast again. Ok^ that was after watching the first section of vid… after watching the rest of it the lines look fine and your doing as I just suggested anyway… The other thing I notice is, and as with me too, you are mostly overtaking. It looks rear that you drop back to bumps behind your current position. This is useful to save pumping/chasing but requires a big enough foil… which I believe your one should be. I’d suggest trying to drop back swells occasionally if for no other reason than to gain and train a new energy resource. If you leave your line with some speed you can use that speed to glide back to a good bump and try connect to it using as little pumping as possible- like doing a reconnect turn in the waves- mast height will be key for this as do don’t want to have to slog to rebuild momentum after the turn back down wind. This should mix things up and create new options of lines instead of the constant pump that is sometimes needed to always be overtaking bumps. I’ve gone through this myself and it’s not an easy habit to break. The no pump drills are good here, with no pump it’s much harder to always be overtaking. It’s soon learned that the most efficient access to energy is letting it come to you more from behind. So if offered two valleys forking out from you, I’d try take the one forking back towards the wind rather that the one going with the wind as a point of difference and see how you like it- mast height will be key and a low drag rear foil helps tremendously. All that said you look great, just throwing ideas at you🤙🤙

Nice talk, thanks. What's ur recommendation for a 77Kg intermed, DW on lake, short small bumps, still learning Board?

What is instead of using a foil drive you use a wing? Just do a couple down-wingers until you know the bumps, then switch to the paddle?

Looks great to us! yewwwwww! go Josh.

Great edition of the Foil Brothers (from another mother). All great points. Ultimately you want to be able to paddle up at will. It's the journey that can be a pain in the XXX. Keep these coming Foil Brothers.

Are you on the Code S?

Mast height🤷‍♂️

How dare you. I love my 755 DWP Water Zebra 😂

Just a small detail. I have heard it often. 1 cm=10mm. 800 centimeter mast is 8 meter! I know most americans dont care, but make sure you use centimeters and milimeters correctly. Or stick with inches.

Does the cedrus come with the set up to use progression wings and fuselage

The Armstrong DWP has insanely low stall speed. I’ve seen videos of people dockstarting the smallest DWP wing 😮