So gullet is the width and bars are the angle. This video is very useful because I’ve been thinking about buying a well built Rancher saddle that will fit most Arabians and small Quarter horses. Can you talk about the twist, flaps etc and saddle fit for a rider on your next video. Thanks. 🐴
@friesdalefarms93634 ай бұрын
I just found these videos on saddle fitting. you are the best for sharing this. I will share with others. Thank you!!!
@swaggerkat12118 ай бұрын
What’s your opinion on treeless saddles? Is there any kind of measurements I need to account for when looking for one? Are they a good quality saddle? My mare is hard to fit and I can’t seem to find a decent saddle that fits her correctly. Thanks!
@wa-kentaurians30507 ай бұрын
Treeless saddles have their place. They typically still have seat gullets and pomal gullets, that make contact with the horse's withers and back. If the angle of contact is too narrow, you can still run into the same problems, because the gullets are stiff pieces of furniture. What you will need to do, is find the rate or angle of twist your horse has in its back, and find a tree that matches this. Then you will need to know how much rock your horse has in its back, as well as the width of its withers and spine. If you can match these, you will have better luck fitting your horse. Biggest saddle fitting issues is usually in the twist, rock, cap, flare, front gullet, and back gullet, but most people only ever talk about the front gullet width, and that is only one small part of the problem. If you don't know a good saddle fitter, you can try a flex tree saddle as they will flex around the horse, and bend into them. They wont last as long, because there is give in the tree. You won't be able to rope, or tie anything heavy to the saddle either, but they are fine of pleasure riding or trails, and such. They certainly have their place, but they will limit what you may wish to do with horse. Having a painless ride that supports your horse's back, is really what matters most, since the saddle can make or break the ride for your horse. I don't have a brand I enforce or anything, but getting with a good saddle fitter/saddle maker, who can explain these parts of the saddle fit to you, may be the information you need, that will turn your horse from being "hard to fit" to being an "easy to fit" horse. Since I started my saddle making journey, fitting horses became easy. Knowledge is nearly 95% of the battle.
@wa-kentaurians30507 ай бұрын
If you are interested, make sure you look at the video I made about saddle fitting secrets the horse industry doesn't want you to know. In that video, I go into detail about these saddle tree fitting issues with demos, so you know what potential saddle issues to look for, when fitting a saddle to your horse. That might actually provide you with the information you need, to help your horse out. I wish you the best of luck, and if you have any questions please feel free to message back.
@swaggerkat12117 ай бұрын
Thank you for replying! I will take a look. 😊
@nursecheri6211 ай бұрын
Very Nice! Great tip😊
@wa-kentaurians305011 ай бұрын
You are very welcome my dear!
@waquezulfiqar9954 Жыл бұрын
Good job explaining thanks
@KingsMom831 Жыл бұрын
Where are you located? Love your videos!
@wa-kentaurians3050 Жыл бұрын
@@KingsMom831 well thank you so much! I have 2 other KZbin channels, that stay much more active than this one. They are "That1FiddlePlayer" and "Basic Homesteading and Survival" so if you are interested in seeing more of my work, you are more than welcome to check out these other pages!
@KingsMom831 Жыл бұрын
@@wa-kentaurians3050 That’s awesome! I’ll definitely check them out.
@KingsMom831 Жыл бұрын
Subscribed, excellent information in this video! Thank you!
@wa-kentaurians3050 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! I'm glad I could be helpful!
@catherinenyberg2493 Жыл бұрын
Don’t measure by fist or buttons Measure across from the Bottom of the tree to the bottom of the other tree.
@larrydeaton5452 Жыл бұрын
Wow! That saddle really looks great.
@wa-kentaurians3050 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much! I really appreciate the feedback!
@freelancerider100 Жыл бұрын
The big beautiful tooling on your saddle was cut by a maker named Jack Johnson, very distinctive acorn patterns.
@monicaconstantin56255 ай бұрын
Did the same man make these acorns? I have been looking
@monicaconstantin56255 ай бұрын
Oh i cant send a pic... It says the american and 1300 on the back
@freelancerider1004 ай бұрын
@@monicaconstantin5625 bona Allen saddles were sold by many retailers who stamped their own business name on. I have seen sheplers and some other names. The saddle rivets near the riggin D,s are- often have the B over A trade mark...
@freelancerider100 Жыл бұрын
The bars of tree are not relative to a "quarter horse" lol... Nice video you have done research and it shows.
@freelancerider100 Жыл бұрын
That is a little wonder saddle tree, used by many makers it is a 15inch seat, they came in 2 different rigging styles a full rigging and a 3/4 rigging with 1/2 round brass gussets and and inlets for the rear cinch. but the saddle you show was made by bona allen, and sold by many retailers such as sheplers and sears and roebuck.
@wa-kentaurians3050 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it is a little wonder tree, made by ralied. I didn't know who the maker was, but I'm glad to know it. Lots of ralied trees out there, but the older ones were junk. They make better ralied trees these days. Anybody can purchase a tree from ralide to make their saddles on, and lots of companies do it. The rigging set up is kind of up to the saddle maker. I've had to replace rear rigging panels in saddles before, so sometimes the rigging does change a from the original maker. I do like this saddle. I use it as a trainer, when I start horses, cause it is light weight, and holds the rider in well. Also, the saddle is well ballance. It's perfect for what I need it for. Thanks for the info on the maker. I appreciate it.
@heatherosborn6717 Жыл бұрын
Can you address different riggings!
@patzerfas6745 Жыл бұрын
That saddle is a 7/8 rigging
@wa-kentaurians3050 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I believe it is
@olivialynnbenavides2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I really appreciate the education and I’m going to subscribe to your channel now
@joshmorgen65082 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the care and detail you put in the video, I’ve taken riding lessons and gone riding friends from time to time but now I’m finally getting my own horse and haven’t had good luck finding videos that actually show how to as thorough as this. It can be a little overwhelming for a first time horse owner, much appreciated!!
@douglasfonville82382 жыл бұрын
Why does it take over 8 minutes to tell you how to size a saddle?
@wa-kentaurians30502 жыл бұрын
My videos are in more detail than others, so they take longer to do. I also strip saddles right down to the saddle tree, to bring you information, nobody else is willing to provide, and I do it for free. Its something you won't see in other saddle measuring videos, because I care enough about others, to give you the most information possible. This video would take even longer than 8 minutes if I were going to demonstrate how to measure the twist, rock, flare, and cap, and teach you how they play a big roll in saddle fitting, than what a gullet width is capable of doing. But if you don't really want to learn all about saddle fitting, you are welcome to look at other videos, that don't strip saddles to the tree, for your benefit and learning.
@laurenw11682 жыл бұрын
So helpful! Thank you. I've been looking for this information but haven't found it correctly laid out yet like this
@db374682 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the information in this video but I feel the video is too convoluted with unnecessary information. The videos about how to take shirt and saddle measurements and I wish that would’ve been more the focal point. I would’ve felt this video was much better if it’s simply cut to the point and showed how to do measurements
@db374682 жыл бұрын
@@wa-kentaurians3050 Thank you for your response. I can certainly understand that others may be looking for information within the video that I may not have been. I do not want to come across as being critical or negative, overall your video was very informative and I greatly appreciated it. I’m happy that people such as yourself make videos so that when others need the information, it is available to them. I guess I only needed a few certain pieces of it and I felt that I had to watch the whole video to pick out the pieces that I needed. But please do not take anything as a negative, great video!
@lauracooper1252 жыл бұрын
Excellent information. Thank you!
@wa-kentaurians30502 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@4animus2 жыл бұрын
What I want to know and haven't been able to find out is-how do I know what seat size would be best for my body..
@lisaherman93812 жыл бұрын
Wrong way to measure gullet
@wa-kentaurians30502 жыл бұрын
You are correct, and in this video I talk about why. Unfortunately, you can't measure a gullet on an English saddle, because an English saddle's tree bars, are flocked and padded. Gullet width is based on the space between the saddle bars, and you can't measure that space, when it's filled in with flocking. The only way to measure an English tree gullet, is to do it, when all the padding and flocking is removed. I use my fist to help me eye ball the saddle tree angles, gullet hight, and general width, but it's definitely not a gullet measurement. Since I've fit saddles so much, and find them in random places that never seem to have a measuring tape handy, I've learned to use my fist as a general guesstimate. It's not a measurement, but for someone as highly experienced at fitting saddles, and repairing them, it is a good general estimate, in a pinch.
@rwgoodship36532 жыл бұрын
Cool video👍🇨🇦🏹😎🥶
@rwgoodship36532 жыл бұрын
Great video. I’m selling my longhorn and trying to explain saddle measurements is a chore. Cheers from Canada 👍😎🇨🇦🏹
@rwgoodship36532 жыл бұрын
@@wa-kentaurians3050 a professor of mine used to say the same thing. ‘Knowledge gained is wasted if not shared. Cheers.
@wa-kentaurians30502 жыл бұрын
@@rwgoodship3653 that's the truth!
@grannyhorsetraining8783 жыл бұрын
Very informative. I already knew most of this but learned a new term "the cap" of the tree. Now to find your part 2 and watch!
@wa-kentaurians30502 жыл бұрын
Glad you got some new information from this!
@ICanMakeThat3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. A few questions… how can you measure the horse for the correct gullet size? I’ve seen so many videos but I get totally incorrect measurements. How do you go about measuring? I have an Arabian and fitting her for a saddle has been a challenge. Thanks.
@horsegirl073 жыл бұрын
This is the exact video I have been looking for! You explained this perfectly and now I understand. Thank you so much!!
@wa-kentaurians30502 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome.
@groverinmotion69853 жыл бұрын
Who makes that saddle, it's really nice.
@rottiemomx33 жыл бұрын
TY GIRL!!
@daisyparks62303 жыл бұрын
I just saw this video while trying to find what kind of saddle I have. My dad bought a saddle just like this one from an auction, do you happen to know who the maker is?
@jessicat73453 жыл бұрын
I love your humour 😂
@wa-kentaurians30503 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@cgirl9054 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!! Drives me nuts when people don't measure the gullet correctly.
@wa-kentaurians30502 жыл бұрын
It drives me nuts as well.
@boykinlp4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. I am curious as to who your saddle maker was? It looks really nice. Thanks.
@wa-kentaurians30504 жыл бұрын
This is a no name saddle. I have no idea who the maker is. Sorry.
@hargersadventures4 жыл бұрын
What about Auto Adjust Flex Tree saddles?
@wa-kentaurians30504 жыл бұрын
Flex tree saddles have the same exact measuring points as all saddles in general. The cool thing about Flex tree saddles is they actually flex to the horses form, no mater what shaped back they have. That said, there is still a draw back, as not all flex tree saddles are flexible enough to fit all horses. Some Flex trees do a better job of adjusting to the horse than other types of Flex trees, because of their materials they were made of. Unfortunately, when buying a Flex tree saddle, your not going to know how truly flexible it really is, until you try it, so please follow standard saddle tree measurements, so you have a butter chance of fitting your horse. The only saddle I know of, that truly fits any horse, is a treeless saddle. Treeless saddles have no bars or trees you need to match to your horse, so you can literally feel the horse under you at all times. Best 100% fit all horses type of saddle on the market! Please do not use treeless or Flex tree saddles if you plan on doing any heavy work like roping. These saddles are not made for the hard stops and pulling weight limits necessary, to take down a steer, and will rip in half right out from under you. They are a great trail, endurance, horse training, barrel racing, and basic everyday riding saddle, but they are not made for ranch working. I hope this was helpful.
@mm259373 жыл бұрын
@@wa-kentaurians3050 thanks for that really great information!!!
@1Lord.J.C4 жыл бұрын
Omg searched numerous sites but no specific answer. I still can't find a straight answer! How to messure a saddle tree????
@that1fiddleplayer8144 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately there isn't one. To measure a tree in all its aspects properly, you need to know how to make a saddle tree. You will need to know, about the rock, flair, twist, and cap, and angles at which they are put together. There isn't a measurement for these, when the saddle tree is already inside a saddle. The flees, flocking, padding, and leather cover it up, and all will change how the saddle fits. The best way to know if a saddle is going to fit, is to put it on your horse, because only the saddle tree makers use measurements for cap, flair, twist, and rock, on every saddle bar of the trees they make.
@ronhope39703 жыл бұрын
Normally use a flexicurve or a gullet guage. depending on the saddle could also have an adjustable gullet bar which is simply taken out and swapped for the correct profile of your horse
@wa-kentaurians30502 жыл бұрын
Yes, that will give you a gullet measurement, but you still have the back gullet, twist, and flare, which create just as many saddle fitting issues as the gullet can. You can measure some points on a saddle tree, but not all of them. Since English saddles are flocked and padded, so unless you remove everything, you really can't measure most of these points.
@basichomesteadingandsurviv3699 Жыл бұрын
If you want to measure a saddle tree, you will need to measure a Gullet width, back gullet width, rate of twist, rate of flair, seat size, and bar length. You can't measure all of those points when it's covered in saddle leather and padding. Do you want to measure a saddle tree, or do you just want to measure the 2 saddle gullets?
@1954197719834 жыл бұрын
If all brands listed the gullet size and bar angle of their saddles and posted online, this is what would be helpful.
@shannonslade28435 жыл бұрын
Isnt there a way to actually measure it with a ruler because I feel like the fist way is not very useful
@paigepresnell57955 жыл бұрын
Life saver video! Now I can figure out what my horse needs!
@wa-kentaurians30504 жыл бұрын
Also look up another video i have listed, as it goes into more depth on what a rock, twist, and flair is on a saddle. most saddle fitting problems, are cause by those issues, on a saddle bar. its called "saddle fitting secrets the horse industry doesn't want you to know." good luck, and i hope this helps you with your saddle fitting questions for your riding buddy!
@bellasue024 жыл бұрын
@@wa-kentaurians3050 thank you
@jetfixrguy5 жыл бұрын
Very well explained, I understand completely now.
@user-oz8ze5 жыл бұрын
It still looks like it’s worth $5 the shape and quality looks AWFUL😂
@Shewolfen5 жыл бұрын
great info. $5? what a steal! nice job restoring it.