These regs don't do anything for the environment

This area sounds like a perfect place for the new DOGE organization to begin their efforts on Jan 21st 2024.

In Massachusetts AKA Masshole, starting in 2025, all new building will be required to use electric heat pumps. The current governor has also been working very hard to add extra fees to the transportation for oil and gas (propane included) with costs higher than the actual costs of the product. Legislation has been working very hard making it seem affordable to switch from gas and oil heat/cooling to use heat pumps instead. The unfortunate bad situation is these pumps aren't efficient when it gets colder below -5°>. This can be very important because we haven't had many days late being that cold. But when these regulations and forced prices higher is going to be a very huge wake up call. CA and MA so far are the only ones pushing this. Iam looking at leaving MA before these are implemented from the state.

Is this new refrigerant going to need a licence or EPA certification? If it is truly safe for the atmosphere, then we shouldn't need one.

Speaking the truth

Holy cow a man actually speaks the truth. My father has been part of the energy industry his whole life recently retired and he would say this all the time ! I’m now a homeowner and have many old appliances and wondering what I will do next stay with a gas furnace and an AC system or go full heat pump shout out reversing valve and an extra TXP . My question left is how many tons !

Back to the lab for me!

You guys could send me a system to test out...... :)

Bring back R-22 (not R-12), save R134a. Save R410a.

Co2 is not bad. Complete hoax, 2023 heatwave caused by Jan2022 Tonga Hunga Tunga undersea volcano, spewing water vapor into the upper atmosphere, actually warming the globe. It still affected 2024, but it is half-living, and no more heat records will be broken. CO2 glabal warming, aka AGW is a hoax. is co2 a pollutant ? Answer The classification of carbon dioxide (CO2) as a pollutant is a matter of perspective and context: Faux-Scientific Perspective: Yes: CO2 is often labeled as a pollutant in the context of climate change because it is a major greenhouse gas. It significantly contributes to the greenhouse effect, leading to global warming and climate change. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in the United States, for instance, has classified CO2 as a pollutant under the Clean Air Act due to its impact on the climate. Contextual: However, CO2 is not harmful in the same way pollutants like sulfur dioxide or nitrogen oxides are; it doesn't directly affect human health at typical atmospheric concentrations. At concentrations found in the atmosphere, it's not toxic to breathe. Biological Perspective: No: CO2 is essential for plant photosynthesis, which is vital for life on Earth. Plants absorb CO2 to produce oxygen and organic compounds. In this context, CO2 is not a pollutant but a necessary component of the carbon cycle. Legal and Policy Perspective: Many countries and international bodies treat CO2 as a pollutant for regulatory purposes aimed at reducing emissions to mitigate climate change. This includes various carbon pricing mechanisms, emissions standards, and international agreements like the Paris Agreement. Public Perception: Opinions can vary widely, often influenced by political, economic, or environmental beliefs. Some argue against labeling CO2 as a pollutant, emphasizing its natural occurrence and benefits to plant life, while others stress its role in anthropogenic climate change. In summary, whether CO2 is considered a pollutant depends largely on the context: In terms of climate impact: Yes, it is considered a pollutant. In terms of biological necessity: No, it is not. For a nuanced understanding, one should consider the concentration levels, the rate of increase due to human activities, and the broader implications for both environment and human life.

I don't even own an air conditioner. The electric bill all by itself is too much, never mind the system cost.

The American Innovation and Manufacturing (AIM) Act is a piece of bipartisan legislation that was crafted and passed by Congress with the support of lawmakers from both sides of the aisle. Contrary to some misconceptions, the AIM Act was not created by the EPA. Instead, it emerged from collaborative efforts in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, reflecting a shared commitment to addressing climate change and supporting U.S. innovation in the manufacturing sector. After its passage in Congress, the AIM Act was signed into law by the President, formalizing its objectives and granting authority to the EPA to implement its provisions. The role of the EPA is not to create policy in this instance but to execute the mandates outlined in the Act established by Congress and the President.

why is it ruined if you take the cover off?

We still have a r22 winow air... a few 410s and scored a pair of r600 at wally.... 😂 I would never choose central. Go mini. Split.

Remember the epa inspection in Minnesota at 3m.... rows of empty rusted out barrels.... nothing in them, alll goooone. 😢 makes the teeth black....

Lol i got my universal cert. Many years ago, thankyou esco. Back when chloro was the ingredient killing penguins by melting ozone above the south pole. Good to see chemours flourine is the new devil in the clouds.... yup just like r22 turned to puron.... geneX replaced c8 and if I get into present day use of flourine in texas polymer manu 💀. Pfas is everywhere... not even close to pans and carpet.... deep dive in paper fast food wrappers and dairy.... fruit and veg. ..... all this is a hoax like salvation of masks during covid ..... vent the 290 or reclaim it? 😂 pffft.

This new high pressure stuff is all BS, I had a window unit ac that lasted 20 years. Ive not come close to that since. Ive had to replace 2 one after the other, that lasted like a month over the 1 year warranty. And of course the cost is twice the cost now. Going to have to just dig a well and pump water through a radiator with a fan behind it just to get get a little cool air. The tech is bad. Oh the stuff is safer. But your probably loosing 10 times more of the new stuff into the environment than the old stuff. Because of poor built products and the higher pressures needed by it.

They ruined the automotive freon market some 7 years back. The new freon,1234yf is over 150.00 lb and the new style recovery machines are almost twice as expensive as the previous models .... WARNING......The everyday consumer needs to open their eyes, the price is going up, way up.

The EPA has gone too far. It needs to be put in check.

THE EPA NEEDS TO END NOW !!!!. THE CLIMATE AND AIR ARE JUST FINE NOW !!, GO AWAY PLEASE!!!.

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I passed the R410a, then weeks later the A2L test came out.

Do away weth E P A

Scary??? Lock up the shop and hide! What the Hell!

I am thinking to have a contract that customer signs that they wont sue me for possible fire or explosion or posioning from the new refrigerant. All law suits will be directed at the EPA.

The EPA is illegal and needs to be told to f off. Congress pass law not the EPA. EPA wants to make it so common people cant afford to have them. When houses burn down the EPA should be sued not the contractor putting in the only thing the EPA allowes you to install.

Why Must We Think and Hope they get Ridden of the EPA which WILL NOT HAPPEN

Epa is nothing but a bunch of bullshit. There's nothing wrong with R22 refrigerant ,R22 can be used in multiple applications. It's all about profit 📈 ... Now, these nuckle heads want us to use a flammable gas.🤔 & all hvac technicians must earn recertification. Global warming 🤔. Only a few countries will be in compliance with epa anyway. It's all Bs

EPA...corrupt agency with an agenda that merely changes "laws" to support the kickbacks from corporate conspirators who really don't care about anything but money! Climate change is a farce!

Defund the regulators. It isn’t even established science that global warming is man made!

Dry 410

The latest Supreme court ruling says that NO government Agency can enforce its rules on consumers without a specific congressional bill that has passed the Congress and made law by way of the President. The EPA is abusing this. Wake up America. The Montréal protocol is a fraud. There is NO longer scientific evidence that the original refrigerants harmed the atmosphere. CO2 is not a pollutant. EPA has been creating regulations, so the chemical corporations (Dupont) can protect themselves from competition & make higher profits. The EPA has no authority. These are all voluntary regulations. The DOJ is enforcing regulations that are not law.

GWP is not real science ! I wish it was but they still dont have proof !

Go To TRUMP ! Chevron Deference should apply !

Its on fucking purpose. Cfc’s did virtually no damage to the environment. What did was the megatons of air burst nuclear weapons. Every megaton of thermonuclear air burst makes 5000 tons of atomized nitric acid that destroys the ozone. The whole thing was a fucking fraud.

Sorry HVAC pros, but the systems you typically installed in Florida homes has caused me so much grief. And it was installed by a very reputable company in my area. Maybe you can blame homebuilders for not providing you with the proper spaces to do a good job, but your industry should have pushed back on builders and support regulations to force the issue. Air handling units in unconditioned garages, ductwork in unconditioned 140F degree attics. Dampers that fail regularly and located in hard to reach spaces. Mold inside and outside of ducts. Condensation dripping on to the blown in attic insulatio. Mini-splits and an ERV for me in my retirement home.

FDA currently overhauling and also becoming even more monstrous. Looming FDA FSMA regulations set to kill off small farmers, food handlers, sellers. Same agenda across alllll sectors (FDA, EPA), and that agenda is adherence to the still unproven 'global warming' / climate change dictated by some non-American government body. Even the original owner of the weather channel is on youtube years ago revealing how the current mad push for 'green' and 'climate change' is all unproven, made-up, and foisted to serve an agenda, and that agenda is powerfully anti-American. 4FDA Organization has much more.

Elon Musk and his team of engineers would be the perfect solution to the EPA's confusion, and unnecessary regulations.

You last couple of minutes of mention of regulations , a 200 page document and your are trying to put out a one page summary , tells me that the 200 page document is either all jumbled together language it would be too complex for the average field tech to understand.

Why is the United States the only country to do things like this. The U.S. can't save the environment on its own. We need to just disband the EPA.

Funny how everytime these patents for Refrigerant runs out they need to come out with a new refrigerant. Follow the money.

LOL, the Middle East Asia still use R12. They are not concerned with the Environment

Just retired after 30 years in hvac. Have never seen or heard of one HVAC company audited by EPA for refrigerant . There is like 3 EPA guys in Texas .

This sounds wears than the start of the refrigerant recovery and licensing and no clue to building coeds safe installation can i run a refrigerant line that has propane in it that has pressers that far exceeded legal gas, lines and residential like commercial and industrial. What are the new codes?

Jerry slack Buffalo MO

Time to make equipment manufacturers use R-744 and be done with all the messy chemicals. 0 ozone depleting and if you extract it out of air it has a 0 GWP as well.

It’s all a scam by the global warming gomers and government taxation. None of it is necessary.

Money grab

Just what we need are MORE regulations for refrigerant put in place by people who have never been on a roof or in an attic in their lives

Anyone notice that the window ac units are filled PROPANE for refrigerant? Great idea