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@simplemechanics246 3 сағат бұрын
None, because wd is garbage. It is not their game anymore, because they can not handle it
@RomanTroshkin Күн бұрын
Very nice video!
@sometechguy 21 сағат бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@sodapunpunnarai2336 Күн бұрын
My experience WD RED >> Toshiba >> Seagate AI >> WD purple
@sasquatchcrew Күн бұрын
Dude my seagate has been running in my desktop for like 10 years and I have wrote and wiped atleast 100tb on it easy
@DreQueary Күн бұрын
Damn this is putting Synology to shame at least hardware wise. I dont plan to upgrade my nas just yet, but i will certainly keep an eye on ugreen.
@sometechguy 21 сағат бұрын
Synology seem less interested in the home user and small business market these days, so not sure they will counter the hardware, and just continue to trade off the name and software, which is admittedly good. Let’s see..
@monchiabbad 2 күн бұрын
SMR Data loss due to single sector errors grows to whole areas being lost and non recoverable. While on an CMR drive the loss is usually limited to that single sector. I have 2 SMR drives that got huge data loss due to the errors being exponentially larger than the actual affected areas.
@Avrelivs_Gold Күн бұрын
True.
@stephen-wahl 2 күн бұрын
I guess it’s all anecdotal, but have had 4 Exos over the last five years without even a hiccup. Have one iron horse which started getting too many errors, but Seagate easily replaced it although the data recovery aspect didn’t work out. I used to be all WD but more for external portables and they were OK. trying out an ultra star now as well, which I’ve had for a couple years bought it renewed and it seems to be working fine. I think WD customer service is far below Seagate.
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@AG-en5y 3 күн бұрын
Really yoh stay way from WD even if it's the Ultrastar range? For examen let's say it's almost tax season and I am able to write off devices I use for backup of office files, wouldn't you chose ultrastar over any other HDD?
@sometechguy 3 күн бұрын
The premise on this video was 'If you are buying Seagate, should you choose their NAS or Enterprise disks?'. But I did a lot of more recent content comparing reliability data between Seagate and WD. Though I had to hold my nose a bit, purely because of some of the lack of transparency or poor consumer behavior I have seen from WD around SMR but also some bait and switch on their SSD's, they do make really solid and reliable disks. So in the last year or so, I have been favoring Ultrastars over Exos disks, but again the same holds true for me, which is that Enterprise disks are often cheaper than the NAS variants and are better buys. It comes down to price, but usually, I am buying Enterprise disks and not NAS disks for my own use. I recently picked up a bunch of Red Plus's. Red Pro's. Ironwolf and Ironwolf Pro disks purely to create some review and comparison content. They are being tested at the moment for some coming content.
@noanyobiseniss7462 3 күн бұрын
Seagates have been garbage since IDE.
@ChatBot1337 4 күн бұрын
I'm just getting into mass storage and picked up a couple Seagate X16 16TBs. I can't speak for longevity, but these things get a lot of hate for noise. I can't hear a thing outside of the occasional brrp when they get asked to spin up. That said, its not loud and these are in my tower six inches away from my keyboard. I bought one a few weeks ago, just added a second, I've been syncing for about 8 hours so far and all I can hear is fans.
@NormanPimlott 5 күн бұрын
I bought a Seagate Ironwolf hard drive, brand new. Within 30 days it failed. I sent it back to seagate, they agreed it was a faulty drive and sent me a replacement. Trouble was, the replacement was 4 years old ! So they swapped a brand new drive for a 4 year old one ! If I'd wanted a 4 year old drive, I'd have gone on ebay and paid a lot less money ! Told seagate I wasn't happy and basically they said tough ! Sold the drive at a massive loss, and bought a WD. Which has been working for the last year.
@sometechguy 4 күн бұрын
This is not a great story, and kind of sucks. I have heard that Seagate can replace warranty returned drives with refurbished units, but these should not be ‘used’, e.g. they should not have hours on them. So this isn’t good to hear.
@XRAF-633 5 күн бұрын
You are rattling off words like a machine gun. Do you suffer from ADHD ? Motor Mouth Syndrome The listener is forced to be hyper-focused on what you say where the listener should be relaxed to comfortably absorb the details. Like at a restaurant - one takes the time to enjoy the meal - and not scoff it down eating quickly and greedily like a starving wolf. Are you getting the point yet ? So learn from professionally trained orators and presenters. Be sure to go TOILETTE first before the presentation starts. Slow down the cadence - It is not a race There is no need to rush the presentation So your presentation performance is ZERO
@georgeindestructible 5 күн бұрын
Seagate never fails to impress failling, but i have no clue as to what is happening to HGST, as most of their designs are solid af in terms of longevity. Where is this data coming from to begin with, people who don't handle their entire HGST clusters properly and thus likely causing a statistical measurement error bubble or like, are their drives really that bad? I own (my extremely low sample size), 6 or so of them, 2 of them are enterprise level drives the others are consumer level drives and no one had an issue, and with the exception of the 2 ones i bought, the other 4 were given to me so who knows how much abuse they've gotten before they came to me, who i take care of my hardware as if none of it will be available the next day.
@ryzenseven793 5 күн бұрын
In the US, BestBuy has their EasyStore that is exactly the same package. Over the years, I have shucked 2x8TB, 2x10TB, and a 14TB. All drives have proven to be reliable and did double duty as internal drives and later in new enclosures. Keep an eye on holiday pricing! Currently waiting for a Seagate 20TB (possible HAMR drive) for $229.
@sometechguy 4 күн бұрын
The externals do seem to get the discounts during sales that internal drives done. So there are some good deals to be had.
@anthonyclark2873 5 күн бұрын
This is why, AMD StoreMi, is cool.
@RobertHouse101 5 күн бұрын
Damn. That's interesting. Thanks!
@Blepherk 5 күн бұрын
Nope, i bought a used one and its actually corrupted, it ejects automatically. I returned it, even got an early refund 😑
@coolmaster121 7 күн бұрын
I prefer serverpartdeals
@Avrelivs_Gold 7 күн бұрын
so WD lied, what makes yall think they wont lie again...
@sometechguy 7 күн бұрын
I don’t think we should take any of the info at face value, especially if manufacturers have a track record as you point out. I have done a fair bit of testing and will continue to test many of these HDDs as well as SSDs to see what the real story is. And I also look at reliability data also to see how the drives compare for reliability.
@servusdedurantem 8 күн бұрын
Wish u could make same video for SSD's
@sometechguy 7 күн бұрын
There isn’t a good public source of failure data for SSDs unfortunately, at least not that I have found. But yes, I would love to. I do have a pile of SSD drives to do testing on, so there will be more SSD content more generally coming.
@kylehazachode 8 күн бұрын
If your NAS uses RAID and data is constantly being written to disk throughout the day, then use NAS specific drives. If your NAS is full of JBOD disks (no RAID), or you have a media server and data is only written when you upload movies, then use enterprise drives. If your NAS uses an SSD as a cache drive, then you don't really need to worry about using a NAS specific drive or an enterprise drive. Personally I like Toshiba enterprise drives, but they've gone up way too much in price so I bought my first Exos drive. I think the X22 is Seagate's latest line of drives. I bought the 24tb capacity.
@CC-bn2ws 8 күн бұрын
I haven't really kept up on computing tech until about spring of last year when I started buying parts for a new build, which I hadn't done for nearly a decade prior. Used all of my old WD and Seagate drives for storage, they are between 640gb to 4tb, plus an SSD and a pcie drive. So before this video, didn't know there were an SMR or CMR versions. Makes me want to find out what I have. But the last I knew, WD reliability was the best as Seagate had, at least at the time, higher failure rates. And Toshiba had an awful lot of cheap refurbished drives for sale, which hasn't changed as I've seen them frequently on slickdeals over that timespan.
@Avrelivs_Gold Күн бұрын
"WD reliability was the best" haha
@dannyvdmoo 9 күн бұрын
well toshiba never ever again have several hdd ... and keep with WD toshiba all sata broken its just weak and recycled plastic what they use for that never toshiba again
@Murasame13 9 күн бұрын
So 1.5mm is too big, and 0.5mm is too small for my rtx 3080 ti, so I'm kinda stuck lol
@pjackson239 9 күн бұрын
I haven't use WD drives in over 25 years.
@kakis1986 10 күн бұрын
if it had shr like synology I would pass it on to get synology but for me it is a negative characteristic that they don't have a similar technology
@ikatdimo 11 күн бұрын
What if the amperage doesn’t match? Does it work ?
@sometechguy 11 күн бұрын
I don’t know what it is on your fans, but I would be very careful with that, you don’t want to kill the card.
@ikatdimo 11 күн бұрын
@ it’s a gigabyte aorus rtx 4090 xtreme waterforce. Previous owner replaced the fans with some cheap fans. I am not sure but it seems like that the original fan is 0.50 amp, 3000 rpm. I want to replace them with Phantek T30.
@korymitchell4922 11 күн бұрын
You never unscrewed the fans? Just popped them off with pressure? How/why are they needing to be screwed back in if they weren't screwed in to begin with? Sorry this is confusing me a little.
@sometechguy 10 күн бұрын
This is pretty much step 1, shown at around 15 seconds into the vid.
@Doogleraia 12 күн бұрын
For just cleaning, you should be fine with just undoing the fans and lifting them out of the shroud holes to clean them and leave the shroud screwed in.
@toddhowarddd 12 күн бұрын
So... You have more failures of seagate drives... Because you stock more seagate drives?
@sometechguy 12 күн бұрын
It’s percentage based.
@leolyon9534 12 күн бұрын
Having viewed the video I purchased 4*12TB Ultrastar drives from Amazon, plus a Sabrent enclosure … to evaluate these drives before (or not) placing them in my Synology NAS. I am technically ‘OK’, tho I would not call myself any sort of expert. I have tried to test 2 of the 4 drives, but am failing to get any SMART information back. - On one drive I have run AOMEI Check Partition and all came back OK (100%) - havn’t progressed to this on the second - However, when also trying to obtain the SMART info I have drawn a complete blank on both. I have tried Smartmontools, CrystalDiskInfo, and HardDisk Sentinel. None seems to be able or access the SMART info - or it doesn’t exist (?) - Crystal - does not see the drive (mapped as E on my windows computer) - Sentinel shows a blank (question mark) against this info, whereas it shows all fine on my two internal windows disks on my laptop - Smartctl … the command used in the video (smartctl -i [drive letter]:) does not work for me and says I need to specify device type with -d option. Which I do (smartctl -d scsi -I e:’ … it returns info on drive capacity and logical block size, but then says ‘SMART support is: Unavailable - device lacks SMART capability’. Long preamble … I am now wondering; is this (perhaps) a technical issue in retrieving the info, or is there an issue with the disk, despite all sectors looking good, etc ? The disks are 3-4 years old (Dec 2020, Oct 2021), so not ‘that’ old for refurb. Unfortunately I am not tech savvy enough to know where the issue lies. Absent getting a full ‘clean bill of health’ I will need to return these disks, but thought I would punt posting this to see if anyone sees an obvious issue, or ???
@Avrelivs_Gold 14 күн бұрын
To anyone reading this - AVOID SMR. Pretend they're all broken. Because they are. The SMR technology doesn't work. As a SMR HDD owner, it's a scam. end of story.
@nesnalica 14 күн бұрын
thanks. this vid helped a lot
@Avrelivs_Gold 14 күн бұрын
SMR should be illegal. 2:40 yep I own that sucka. Nightmare years and still have PTSD from that POS.
@TheDarmach 14 күн бұрын
How about ST10000NT001 IronWolf Pro 10TB? Would you buy it over Toshiba N300 or WD Red Pro? I can't decide for the past 3 months... jesus :D
@dberry99 14 күн бұрын
What are your thoughts on putting all of your important data on a system powered by a 15 dollar external power brick? Failure rates on these are incredibly high, some reaching 30% annually.
@sometechguy 14 күн бұрын
I would never keep data I don’t want to lose in one place. This device is great for high performance storage, but I keep a copy on another NAS as well as regular backups to offline storage to protect from other risks such as data corruption, malware etc. And this isn’t really just the case for a device like this with an external brick, but any data storage device that holds data you don’t want to lose. I have personally not experienced failures of these, and I have some network equipment such as routers, switches and firewalls that ran on a brick for well over a decade without failures. But you could hold a spare if you were worried about uptime. As you say, you can pick them yourself pretty cheaply as commodity items, and it’s not uncommon that devices use the same PSU.
@Avrelivs_Gold 15 күн бұрын
Notice: this video is about BIG drives from years ago. You see general idea, nothing else. If your cheap SMR drive is not good, it doesn't mean high end CMR big drives will behave the same. There's no connection.
@sometechguy 15 күн бұрын
If you need data, then you need drive models that have enough time to generate that data. Brand new drives released in last 6 months will not have reliability data to work from, and this is the challenge. That said, many of the models covered here are still sold, especially in the 14-18Tb range, so it’s actionable. But the key insight here is a large quantity of reliability data on manufacturers as a whole, as well as strong signals on the direction of travel. Are their drives getting better with innovations and manufacturing process changes? So it’s very useful data. As for desktop SMR, there will be differences between these and large DC drives. But I have other videos that cover desktop and SMR vs CMR performance and the details of how they work. There isn’t a good public source of data on SMR drives because BackBlaze and any others that have large numbers of drives and are willing to share data, likely wouldn’t consider buying them. So that’s an indicator in its own right. But as I have covered elsewhere, that in my opinion there is really no good reason to consider an SMR disk, and the biggest sales aid for those drives, is hiding that detail from people. Unfortunately…..
@Avrelivs_Gold 15 күн бұрын
@@sometechguy I get your point, there's just no guarantee as commenters here try to assume. Personal experience from decades ago just doesn't work with new products even of same model. If you look for any brand being bad or good, you will find total opposite reviews. I looked for WD, it seemed perfect. I looked at Seagate, it seemed perfect. And then all you can do is choose a top brand and their average product.
@sometechguy 15 күн бұрын
@ of course it’s not perfect, and it’s statistical data also. You can find a product with 99.99% reliability, buy 10 of them and they can all fail on day 1. Such is the nature of statistics. But data is the best you have. As you point out, reviews are at best anecdotal, and sadly often not even reliable, and at worst are not even genuine. So this is why data is the thing that gives you the best information available, even if imperfect. And a small correction, none of this data is ‘decades old’, but it think that was just to give emphasis. 😄
@Avrelivs_Gold 15 күн бұрын
@@sometechguy i doubt the data that contradicts my experience, that's it. Usually there are factors that were omitted, for example regional differences, faulty batches etc.
@sometechguy 15 күн бұрын
@ yes, this is a problem. There are many variables not captured and there is no way to know what they are or if they impact the results. Batch numbers, manufacturing locations and dates, if the drives differ component wise or what happened to them in transit. Were they dropped during install, are there environmental vibrations not in the data. It goes on. I tried hard to keep it unbiased, but I could have manipulated the data. You could only find out my doing the analysis yourself and checking my work. But the larger the data set is, the less influence many of these factors have. At the end of the day, it’s data and you can use it or distrust it. And it’s entirely up to anyone what they do.
@RN1441 15 күн бұрын
Despite their 'best implementation' of SMR, SMR is why I've moved away from using WD drives. That they were sneaking SMR drives into their RED series that was meant for NAS use just meant I could no longer trust them.
@sometechguy 15 күн бұрын
Yes, I didn’t buy WD for several years for the same reason. And unfortunately, the problems with transparency around SMR continue and it’s not just WD. And of course the best implementation of SMR doesn’t mean it’s good, it’s sadly just less bad than the others appear to be. The best answer is simply to avoid any drive with SMR.
@luiserivas 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for the excellent video. where did you buy your replacement fans from? there are so many options out there?
@sometechguy 16 күн бұрын
Thank you! I bought mine from Ali Express, it was an experiment and I am not sure I would recommend it. I bought fans for a variety of GPUs I made videos on, and the Asus ones seemed to be good but I had a really mixed experience with other fans being either poor quality of simply not fitting correctly. The MSI Ventus fans especially were just not the correct size, and Ali Express does not make returns easy. I can't recommend them personally as I didn't use them, but I think quite a few people pick up the inRobert fans from Amazon and I have not seen negative comments about them. By buying from Amazon or EBay you can at least return them if they are not up to scratch. Here is a direct link: amzn.to/4h69SmM Good luck with the swap.
@testinggamesandgameplays 16 күн бұрын
I bought 16 TB EXOS X18 I hope that this HDD will not dead soon, my planing is more than 7 years, my two 512 GB WD Blue of 2012 stay alive... but years ago the tech still alive more years
@sometechguy 15 күн бұрын
Very good chance it will last that long, but always the chance it won’t. So don’t neglect backups. :-) I just lost an X18 18TB yesterday, though looks like it’s just ‘failing’ and not ‘failed’ with a chunk of reallocated and pending sectors. It’s being replaced at the moment and will be a warranty return as it’s just over 2 years old.
@testinggamesandgameplays 14 күн бұрын
@@sometechguy What I find curious about it is that when the EXOS X18 HDD starts it makes a lot of noise, and from time to time when it reads it also makes a lot of noise, as if it had a noisy mechanism. But this only happens when the HDD is powered on or off. I do not know if it would be better to let it work all the time that the pc works, or that it turns on when it is going to be used and stops when it is not used. This causes me to wonder if these types of HDD can wear out the motor or whatever. So as a guess I don't know if it would be better to let it not turn off while not in use. I practically only use it for my video backup
@franmidi 16 күн бұрын
I've purchased several of these drives. I perform a low-level format, then a full Windows format. Never had a problem!
@patrickavis5475 16 күн бұрын
I was thinking of picking up a couple of these drives to throw into an unraid server. How have you found the noise levels with them as they'd be in the same room I work in
@sometechguy 16 күн бұрын
I have these (and other) enterprise drives running in a few NAS in my office, and the enterprise drives are certainly noisier. But my experience is that they are noisier during very specific situations like data scrubs or when I am doing intense write/rewrite testing. Day to day it doesn’t bother me, and fan noise is probably more prevalent. I wouldn’t really call hard disks noisy, but I may be desensitised to it. But there is certainly a difference in the sound compared to desktop class drives, the Ultrastars are built like tanks, and the sound reflects that a bit.
@sabotage3d 17 күн бұрын
Your prices are not relevant. And these are for used drives. it is not normal for EXOs to be cheaper, due to the fact they are larger quantities stripped from massive arrays.
@sometechguy 17 күн бұрын
I am not sure any of this makes any sense. Why are prices not relevant? The video is quite old now, but its still true that Exos are cheaper than Ironwolf Pro disks in many cases. This is true today on NewEgg as well as on other retailers. Also, why do you think they are for used disks? The prices are for new and I never mentioned used disks in the video? And the last sentence I am not sure what you mean at all on this. Exos are not cheaper because they are made in larger quantities? And what do you mean by 'stripped from arrays' ?
@sabotage3d 17 күн бұрын
@@sometechguy Your links under the video are for UK amazon and there are no available price for EXOs at all. When you read the comments for both they are most likely refurbished units from China. For new they are at least twice the prices you have in your table in the video.
@sometechguy 17 күн бұрын
The amazon links are convenient, as its a geographic link which takes you to your local Amazon instance. But stock and prices vary, so its possible that Amazon UK doesn't have stock and you are seeing market place items as the link is to the item and not a specific seller unfortunately. Amazon is an official partner for Seagate. But just because Amazon is out of stock does not mean the video is about refurbished drives and I think the video itself is clear on that. The prices were correct at the time the video was made, and I check retailers regularly and despite fluctuations/offers, its very common for Exos to be the cheaper drive per TB and its been this case for years. its certainly true today.
@sabotage3d 17 күн бұрын
@@sometechguy You are talking nonsense. You can't get these prices even for seller refurbished on serverpartdeals and this is a USA vendor.
@agrumpycapybara 17 күн бұрын
A really interesting video, so thank you. I'm upgrading my network to 10gbe but I have a ds918+ with only 1gbe, so looking to get a nas with 10gbe, and the f6-425 has caught my eye. I very much doubt Synology will release anything this year with sufficient transcoding capabilities with 10gbe but will wait a few months before making a purchase.
@sometechguy 16 күн бұрын
Seems Synology is focused on their enterprise products and hasn’t shown real interest in the home and small business market recently. It’s a real shame, and I hope they will counter products like this with more compute capacity, but I am not too hopeful currently.
@SK-xl6mc 17 күн бұрын
Wtf those drives have been on running for 4 years and renewed! There's no renewing that crap. They tested for errors and they're essentially just a second hand hard drive and worth next to nothing.
@RahjJordan 17 күн бұрын
Solid work!!! thanks!
@sometechguy 15 күн бұрын
Thank you! Its due an update soon actually, starting to have good data on larger capacity drives.
@williamlau7179 17 күн бұрын
Paid $120 for a ironwolf pro 12t last month for pc reductant storage. Also 2 new toshiba n300 8t for $200 each few months ago for new nas. So far so good, toshiba 280MBps, wolf 260MBps. Old wd ex2 red 4t 70MBps, 45000 hours.