Is material reality the only reality? For those who are interested, check out Iain McGilchrist in THE MATTER WITH THINGS.

I entirely agree. Genesis 1 was interpreted allegorically by the majority of people in the early church up until about the sixth century, so the six-day creation story is 'true' in the sense that an explanation you would give to a very young child about where other children come from is 'true'--it's a figurative account of creation, explaining the importance of creation to bronze age people. No, God does everything supernaturally or naturalistically. Evolution is naturalistic. Miracles are supernatural. The creation of the very first cell could be supernatural or more likely explained by natural phenomena (always avoid 'God of the Gaps' arguments). God takes the credit for everything, in other words. Rowan handled this question in a different way to how I would've handled this. I don't think God 'set up the laws of physics'. He makes everything act according to these laws, in order to give order to the universe, but the laws of physics exist only in the sense that they are descriptions of how things behave. The laws of mathematics are not even created by God but are a part of God. They are metaphysically necessary truths (true in all possible worlds). God doesn't have to 'interfere' with the laws of nature, but rather, He can just cause something to act not according to those laws.

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It is utterly incomprehensible WHY anybody needs to juxtapose science and religion.The religious establishment does not deny science in any way,NOWADAYS. And religious faith does not contradict scientific evidence in any way.Nor is science ONLY about evolution !! So where is the logic of arguing on the basis of these false premises.? A scientist should know better. Its ridiculous and nothing else !! Science has no clue whatsoever about the ORIGIN of all things. Whereas religion at least has a hypothesis about that. And who said that God must necessarily intervene in the material world at all? False assumptions don't answer any questions !!

Mary definitely opened herself up to the action of someone. Not sure it was God.

The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs came at just the right time to move them off the world stage and allow the rise of mammals, including us. O ne could argue this is how Divine intelligence intervenes in the world just as was the remarkable coincidence of McClellan finding Lee's battle plans wrapped around a cigar that led to the draw at Antietam, paving the way for the Emancipation Proclamation and turning the tide of the war by keeping foreign powers out of it. As for miracles, read the astonishing accounts of the miracles ,of the great Yogis of the East in our time, and the great healings of Bruno Groening in the 1950's in Germany.

Notice the format. Richard leads you in, he uses editing to cut Rowan off, giving himself the last word, interjecting his own commentary after he's thought about it for a while.

Dawkins is such a pompous ass. Quietly.

I agree that microevolution is a reality - it is impossible to doubt change. Macroevolution creates problems that science cannot adequately explain as proven. It requires far more faith than I have at present. It seems to me that Dawkins cannot (or will not) distinguish between miracles and magic.

Dawkins is an absolute idiot but clever in that he's sold his personal religion and beliefs to so many under the guise of "science." he once presented the argument for evolution the way a five-year-old might, saying go to the museums and look at the proof of evolution, OMG people buy it! Darwin was insightful and brilliant on many counts, but evolution remains a theory, and Dawkins's obsession with religion and ignorance of his own is a marvel!

Dawkins does not understand the nature of philospohy. He is so naive about thought and thinking. He should read Kant and Heidegger

Science and especially evolution IS NOT compatible with ANY religion! The crux of christianity ( and of islam and of all the other religions I know of) has already been debunked ages ago! The coming into existence of the species of great apes called the Homosapiens was a gradual event that took millions of years! The difference between the Homosapiens and the other great apes is a GRADUAL difference but not a fundamental one! Do all the so-called "believers" really believe that the Homosapiens are the only species of great apes that can survive their own death by going to an imaginary hell or heaven just because they developed a bigger brain and frontal lobe by the unguided process called evolution? Are they serious? Absurdity squared! So, we are not born in "sin", we don't have to be "saved", the concept of the "original sin" is utter nonsense. There is no afterlife, hell, heaven, soul, etc. It's about time to grow up and to leave all that supernatural nonsense of ANY religion and all those bronze age myths behind and to deal with the REAL NATURAL WORLD!

But how does science explain dreams and intuition and how Bach or Bob Dylan create such glorious music?

Dawkins is a constant test of my faith. Not because I find his arguments compelling, but because he is a true difficulty for me in trying to love my enemies.

Whenever I hear Rowan Williams talking I can't help being amazed that someone so thoughtful and wise can be so stupid to believe in a supernatural fairy story, just because that's the religion he happened to have been indoctrinated into in childhood. I know lots of "intelligent" people do have faith but for me there's a massive contradiction. When I was 13 years old in 1975 I hung back after class and asked my RE teacher Mr Troughton how any of the great world religions we were being taught about could be right as they claim since they were all saying different things? He couldn't answer. I knew then it was all nonsense.

I may show much respect, but that doesnot mean that I have the correct faith or understanding, so as not to mislead others by my knowledge & eloquent speaking . In that way I can mislead others away from the God I claim to worship, when ' I ' disagrew with what He says, and do not recieve His personal counsell on what He has had written. He has clearly stated that His believers can know the truth. Jn.8v31.

The "only thing" religion has in its favor was it was the driving force of every human civilization before Western science.

"Nature itself opening up into its own depths" is poetic language, but not only intended to be poetic. It is the resultant declaration of a metaphysics which posits God as the grounds of existence and nature as a creation out of Love. This metaphysics is not merely poetry with only linguistic relations between words, but is an abstraction for the particularities which we experience through our senses of the real world which we participate in. The whole idea is that it is a unionizing and synthesis of nature and supernature by analogy.

It would have been easier to say science is science and miracles are miracles. How the two coexist is a mystery. I think Dawkins has an ambition to be omniscient whereas Dr Rowan Williams leaves the mysteries to God. There are mystics within the Christian faith who devote their lives to discovering the truths they need to grasp about God. I think Dawkins puts little trust in feelings and emotions and experiences. One day we will leave these physical bodies that we live in…

Science is forever proving itself wrong

a man proselytizing his convictions speaks to the archbishop

Both Dawkins and Rowan are deluded! If you wanted to establish some truths about the nature of God and what He has done. Rowans the last person I would ask!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZm6mo1pnr2Kra8&feature=share&EKLEiJECCKjOmKnC5IiRIQ

I love Professor Dawkins we need people to challenge us, creation or God is in charge or Darwin's theory of Evolution, I'm a Christian and I love the fact that God is described as one who calls things into existence that didn't exist Romans Chapter 4 verse 17 as though they do exist, that's a pretty good view for me,I can certainly say with confidence that God can take Professor Dawkins questions and theories, God loves us to search it's how he has wired us, Free Will

Spirituality and religion, when done properly, deal with the essential nature of reality whereas science, when done properly, models the behaviour of nature. There's lots of bad 'religioning' going on and lots of bad 'sciencing' going on. Science can't settle questions about the essential nature reality and religious statements aren't scientific statements. They both explore reality but they operate in different paradigms.

I think the DNA replication process alone should be enough to shut this discussion

Watching Dawkins try to do philosophy is like watching a dolphin trying to tap dance.

dawkins is such a tiresome moron

Is it just me, or do Rowan Williams’ eyebrows resemble a pair of angel wings quite remarkably? 👼

Richard Dawkins doesn't actually know how gravity works cos no one does. All he knows is if he drops his pen it falls down to the ground. For all we know magic faeries could be coming through the ether and sitting on your pen when you let go.

Well I guess one day we will find out who was right…..unless Dawkins was right then we won’t find anything out, we will just be dead!

Only Dawkins would have the archbishop of Canterbury over a hot fire and relentlessly chisel away at the man’s ability to give a scientific answer. I admire both these men massively

What would mother Theresa gain by denying her own self by devotion to others? If she is a fool, then how does evolution explain a will, which is contrary to survival? Does an ape commit suicide, that is striving to be nothing? Does nature have the choice, the freedom: "to be or not to be?"

Science has a practical side. It's called technology. And what does this technology do? Pollution, destruction of nature. And how does evolution explain the conscience (con-science)? When and how a killer ape becomes a self-denial of a saint?

He’s making a false dichotomy “either God gets involved or else it cannot be involved in science”, has he ever heard of compatiblism? Does he know that early Christian thinkers like Augustine thought creation was an ongoing process and happening even now that God is constantly creating all things and we are experiencing it, it’s not just deism but God working in and through all things and evidentially and empirically this shows up in the theory of evolution. This is what Rowan means when he says “the underlying divine action” 3:20 it’s not just poetic language, it’s philosophical truth being proposed. And when Rowan was probably about to explain this to Dawkins, the clip cuts ever so conveniently. Dawkin’s Cartesian, empirical epistemology needs refining. The creation of false dichotomies and the lack of philosophical chops in Dawkins has made him irrelevant. He is a great biologist, but why evangelically try to push an agenda to crush a foe he knows little about? It seems misguided.

I really wish there wasn't a voice-over at 2:12. I was looking forward to the Archbishop's answer.

Dawkins is a moron.

Dawkins can't distinguish his own personal incredulity from actual arguments. He really is an embarrassment for atheism.

Dawkins, a master of overstepping the bounds of what science actually claims to know: hubris writ large.

Lots of Dawkins, not much Williams. Indeed, Dawkins' introduction to Williams is so slurred and biassed as to set up Willimas as an Aunt Sally. This is an arrogant little piece of film that wants to make Dawkins look like the one with the Truth. Williams, not surprisngly for anyone who reads him, is much more open to possibility than Dawkins, who is the closed book.

“Either you believe that God wrote science or you believe that God has power over science… You can’t have both” That’s the most ridiculous reductive absurd argument I’ve ever heard, if you have the power to create something, you also have the power to work around it, God according to intellectual Christians created the rules of the universe, but he is not bound by them, God is not highest being, he is true being (divine simplicity), in whom all other things *have* being but are *not* being without Him. Take the virgin birth for example at the end of the video, is it really that absurd to believe that it is a historical, scientific fact that it happened? A being who is by definition above the laws of creation, should be able to do whatever the hell He likes… Even begin the gestation process without a biological male being involved, if He created life in the first place why can’t He do it again…? The objections to it makes absolutely no sense.

Wow, thanks for letting us hear Dr Williams answer.

Dawkins is shitting it infront of a greater intellect than him.

Let him speak !!! Holy shit...

What program is this a part of? How would I find it?

You can see the fedora materializing on Dawkin’s head.

Dawkins is such an ass, just one big fedora tipper

dawkins has no clue about the supernatural--he's only concerned with science, scientific laws, etc. it's great to love science but it's too narrow if that's ALL you believe. we as people, don't live our lives in science textbooks. we love, we pray, we go to funerals, we get our heart broken, we have desires---these things are sloppy and messy, not always scientific like a mathematical proof. come on scientists. admit how narrow you guys are!! get a life dudes

agree -- science is the absolute truth...for material reality only. It discovers and it describes (does not create) stuff that is bound by time and space...it simply cannot explain reality beyond the physical. Dawkins is a great science writer (having read most of his books), but is dogmatic here to the point of discrediting himself. Dr Williams conveys that spirit, energy, the universe is beyond the human senses, and human sensibilities....that to grasp the Infinite would require infinite senses and insight, and thus cannot be understood by the limited faculties of the material mind of man or (mechanical or theoretical) science. What Dr Williams describes IS indeed poetic and it is beautiful....metaphysical, timeless, pure, Infinite...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha. Dawkins's face 2:15

Rowan Williams can't be taken seriously. no one who believes in virgin birth can't be taken seriously.