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@larryweinberg1191
@larryweinberg1191 9 сағат бұрын
Heard Sun Ra's group In 70's in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The tunes on his albums turn like pages as each tune is audio story to be listened to chronologically. Maybe just my take. I know his version of "On the Sunny side of the Street" is very uplifting and his long time alto sax player Marshall Allen is still playing, being close to 100 years old.
@nigelbailey4704
@nigelbailey4704 12 сағат бұрын
For some reason Ornette's music was the first jazz I really got into. As with all art and music it's all a matter of individual taste. Some people love the songs of Cliff Richard but it's not for me! Thanks for your channel which I find interesting and entertaining. Keep up the good work.
@CJ-vh2hf
@CJ-vh2hf 15 сағат бұрын
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@CJ-vh2hf
@CJ-vh2hf 15 сағат бұрын
Why when people actually do understand jazz critique the smooth, jazz genre why do they call it hate they’re just being honest, there’s no substance no technicality and they’re trying to fit into a format!
@rongibbs390
@rongibbs390 Күн бұрын
I believe he started out as a classical flutist, and could have had a successful career there but for racial prejudice. Straight music’s loss was jazz’s gain. A real virtuoso and truly original voice.
@renakmans3521
@renakmans3521 Күн бұрын
It’s simply smooth jazz.
@sulevisydanmaa9981
@sulevisydanmaa9981 Күн бұрын
THE ALBUM WITH BUDYY EMMONS is excellent, duets, SCRAPPLE IN THE APPLE, other birdisms. On Flying Fish, 80 or so. Got it.
@CVinyl
@CVinyl Күн бұрын
"Space is the place" - Sun Ra 🛸
@zwickhouse
@zwickhouse 2 күн бұрын
Good stuff. The Sun Ra House (as shown in the video) is in Philly's Germantown, not the east village of that other town up north.
@mike8015
@mike8015 2 күн бұрын
I used to work with John Sinclair's daughter. She knew Sun Ra throughout her younger years and told me, "Everything that you have ever heard about that man is true. Everything."
@huh2818
@huh2818 2 күн бұрын
“does 1+1=8?” 🤔
@santomusic3981
@santomusic3981 2 күн бұрын
Very funny when (usually white men) talk about great Black geniuses and focus on their drug abuse, relationship problems, etc, etc. However they never talk about the disgusting racist, exploitative environment that contributed to such things! Great Black artists like Lee Morgan lives would have been much different, had they not been denied opportunities because of the colour of their skin!
@arthurroschbooksandmusic7700
@arthurroschbooksandmusic7700 2 күн бұрын
It must have been thirty years ago I took a date to the movies to see Sun Ra's "Space Is the Place". A feature length film. HIlarious and goofy simultaneously. Aside from the music itself, humor is a strong element in Sun's ouevre.
@JulieCarey-y1n
@JulieCarey-y1n 2 күн бұрын
…he sounded and played better with age…come fair weather 🌹🐝🌈
@benflint
@benflint 2 күн бұрын
It's hard to explain - I don't think Sun Ra comes off on record. Live, you get it. I saw him a few times in Atlanta, and it was electrifying,.........
@thesoundsmith
@thesoundsmith 2 күн бұрын
Records cannot convey the Sun Ra experience, they are a frozen moment in an ongoing eternal process, a snapshot of a tsunami. Playing transcendental music is NOT a simple task, creating living art from less than nothing requires the willingness to become nothing, to let the music play YOU., I have been controlled by the music and the freedom is exquisite, but fragile. Being able to sustain a full evening requires a true master. (which I am NOT...)
@Gk2003m
@Gk2003m 2 күн бұрын
I got to enjoy the experience a couple times. Mesmerizing AND educational.
@siriusra2692
@siriusra2692 2 күн бұрын
.....Sun Ra was a musical genius........Trane was chasing Sunny
@thesoundsmith
@thesoundsmith 2 күн бұрын
Disagree - Trane and Sunny were aiming at the same target, but on different trains (pun inadvertent.) John had a clear, harmonic vision, Sun Ra was more intuitive. Both great musicians, tho...
@siriusra2692
@siriusra2692 2 күн бұрын
@@thesoundsmith .......I agree that Trane was trying to find the bridge between organized harmonic structure and the total abandonment of predictable Harmony in a more easy to follow progression..........but with Sun Ra it wasn't as easy to follow his musical logic into the uncharted territory of chromatic harmonic extensions and tension notes in which is commonly called playing the wrong notes ......
@rillloudmother
@rillloudmother 2 күн бұрын
this is the stuff that everybody tells you, lol.
@jonahblock
@jonahblock 3 күн бұрын
bet he had autism
@FlintFandango
@FlintFandango 3 күн бұрын
Superb! Now, I´m looking forward to a Pharoah Sanders video in the future, because it´d fit perfectly.
@tylerarnott1515
@tylerarnott1515 2 күн бұрын
Yes!!
@Steve-mp7by
@Steve-mp7by 3 күн бұрын
Saturn?
@axelazaryan
@axelazaryan 3 күн бұрын
Space is the place FOREVER 🛸
@CurtisBooksMusic
@CurtisBooksMusic 3 күн бұрын
Sun Ra was a below average jazz musician who created a dumb identity to bamboozle people into buying his albums.
@leeroc1
@leeroc1 3 күн бұрын
Listen to Curtis the youtube guy! Who care what Jackie Mclean or John Gilmore think because Curtis knows better! 😄 🙊
@CurtisBooksMusic
@CurtisBooksMusic 3 күн бұрын
@@leeroc1 Don't listen to me OR them. Listen to Sun Ra's "music." There's your answer.
@leeroc1
@leeroc1 3 күн бұрын
I have, Sun Ra rules. But what has Curtis been up to all these years to develop such a sophisticated ear? Sounds like another modern online critic, you guys come in droves! We are all so lucky to witness your insight. 🙉
@thesoundsmith
@thesoundsmith 2 күн бұрын
I can understand where you're coming from, but having played with a few genuine 'avant-garde'-style players (Sonny Simmons and Barbara Donald, mainly) I can testify as to the validity and continuation of concept that happens. It IS real music, just not YOUR rules. (Or usually, mine. But that's the joy of it.) Rules are made to be extended.
@JulieCarey-y1n
@JulieCarey-y1n 2 күн бұрын
Sun Ra was a SHAMAN…a SORCERER…he can’t be placed except SOMEWHERE ELSE: HE HAD HIS OWN PLACE IN SPACE.HIS OWN UNI-VERSE OF WORDS..WORLDS..WHORLS…he was already GONE when he CAME…….check out..”Atlantis” 🐝🌹🌈💫 “ Only the way-out know the way out.” BOB KAUFMAN -
@kevinsplinter8595
@kevinsplinter8595 3 күн бұрын
Cool. Thanks for sharing
@Therecouldbehope
@Therecouldbehope 3 күн бұрын
Chet saved many lives as he was losing his own. He is the equivalent of a Jazz Saint
@YeeTuccio-q8w
@YeeTuccio-q8w 3 күн бұрын
Lewis Donald Jones William Hall Daniel
@robertpolevoi8630
@robertpolevoi8630 4 күн бұрын
Seriously embarassing to realize that so many people who think they know Jazz music cannot appreciate Ornette Coleman sixty years after he first broke through. Gotta take those earplugs out of your soul and learn the real meaning of the word "listen." Of course, this takes humility, which is pretty fucking rare out there.
@LindaClark-q6m
@LindaClark-q6m 5 күн бұрын
33185 Graham Drives
@SUNKINGME
@SUNKINGME 5 күн бұрын
Couldn't he be both a chalatain AND a visionary?
@antoniobarbagallo9857
@antoniobarbagallo9857 6 күн бұрын
I don' hear his innovative ,more open, language in the actual jazz scene. What he was doing was trying, with his melodic constant serach,a way out to the clche of the be-bop idiom.
@antoniobarbagallo9857
@antoniobarbagallo9857 2 күн бұрын
Thanks.
@andrewpotter4131
@andrewpotter4131 7 күн бұрын
Well , i respect but dont gravitate to his music . European classical music already covevered a tonality and free time , from Varecse to John Cage , but the jazz players put it through the blues
@p.r.h.7283
@p.r.h.7283 6 күн бұрын
Totally different. They didn’t sound like that. And what Cage did “Aleatoric music “ he would say is not free or improvisation. So ??? Ornette is first a foremost a blues musician. That’s the context he was coming out of
@andrewpotter4131
@andrewpotter4131 6 күн бұрын
@@p.r.h.7283 That is what i said , he filtered post modern european concepts through the blues .most notably abandoned Afro diasporic concepts of call responce , dance drum concepts , for a free time , space and sound base , linear melodic aproach , that the europeans explored first , melodic concepts from other cultures like India , or North Africa , which is differant than West Africa concepts. The dancers knew , half the jazz players knew. It should have its own catagory , its a mistake to push " free jazz" onto jazz that retained call responce drum dance concepts. Ornette never could swing hard , its an injustice to him to suggest he could swing up bop
@andrewpotter4131
@andrewpotter4131 6 күн бұрын
@@p.r.h.7283 I rember i heard a record by Andrew Cyril , Milford Graves and two other noted " free drummers " , they know how to play straight , but this was free , and i compared it to a university percusion group playing an avant guarde score for percusion. The similarities were very close , but the jazz free drummers had a looser aproach , yet , they were closer in concept than compared to those Art Blakey Sabu percusiin records. It causes great conflict to try to force avant guarde jazz into the groove based call responce , even bar forms coming from dance drum tradition . They are differant idioms
@augustomarchand
@augustomarchand 7 күн бұрын
Ornette Coleman is the Schoenberg of Jazz. Both created a bizarre, boring and unbearable musical conceptions.
@robertpolevoi8630
@robertpolevoi8630 Күн бұрын
Agreed. Ornette was the Schoenberg of Jazz. Is that supposed to be an insult? The greatest musicians (Glenn Gould, Pierre Boulez, Yehudi Menuhin, LaSalle Quartet, etc. etc) devoted their great energies to the music of Schoenberg. But of course, taste is personal.
@augustomarchand
@augustomarchand Күн бұрын
@@robertpolevoi8630 Serialism, atonalism, dodecafonism, elctroacoustic music >> 🤮
@leeroc1
@leeroc1 Күн бұрын
Take heed to the wise words of Augusto the youtube viewer! How extensive his musical vocabulary must be! 🤢🤢 🤢
@augustomarchand
@augustomarchand Күн бұрын
@@leeroc1 I love the sound of nature vocabulary, not ugly conceptions builted in Dr. Frankenstein laboratories. Read about Goerge Russell's statement at lydian cromathic conception.
@leeroc1
@leeroc1 13 сағат бұрын
builted in? You aren’t as smart as you think you are.
@mauricioleiva7981
@mauricioleiva7981 7 күн бұрын
If Ornette didn't exist it would be necessary to invent him.
@skimanization
@skimanization 7 күн бұрын
All Prophets get ridiculed at first in the countries or home towns but get appreciated by few somewhere else, they come back one day and all of a sudden everyone worship him, actually wanting to be him or her! One elder in South Africa, a retired Jazz musician, bassist/guitarist introduced me to the music of Ornette Coleman and I loved it because it was all different from what I had about jazz before. I said this man is a Genius!!!
@mikehoule8674
@mikehoule8674 7 күн бұрын
He held back in the drum battle with Gene Krupa. But does louder and faster mean better? I like finesse drumming
@toneyam3643
@toneyam3643 7 күн бұрын
Thanks Danny for sharing this, Erroll is one of the greatest pianist who ever lived and his playing makes people happy.
@ethiopianmusicoldies599
@ethiopianmusicoldies599 8 күн бұрын
But he was also, from the beginning, hailed by many leading musicians as a genius. So - just decide for yourself- do you like him or not ?
@steveorion6185
@steveorion6185 8 күн бұрын
'' One must be brain dead to call him a fraud '' Orion
@k-chill8428
@k-chill8428 9 күн бұрын
please do Albert Ayler!
@robertpolevoi8630
@robertpolevoi8630 Күн бұрын
But only if this guy really digs Ayler. Don't need any more insults to giant cultural figures, like even using the word "charlatan" in the same sentence as "Ornette." Shameful. If you can't dig the music, just assume that someone with a sixty year career must be speaking to somebody. I grew up with people that mocked Louis Armstrong.
@WyattLite-n-inn
@WyattLite-n-inn 9 күн бұрын
Interesting channel ……subbed
@onetrackjazz
@onetrackjazz 9 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@CaiusV.
@CaiusV. 9 күн бұрын
Thank you ❤
@casimir9185
@casimir9185 9 күн бұрын
There's an amazing Lee Morgan documentary called "I Called Him Morgan" that goes in depth on his life and music
@MarkRoy-e2b
@MarkRoy-e2b 9 күн бұрын
I gave his music an honest listen in 1970, when I was first exploring jazz. After all these years I still don't buy it. As I don't buy most of the avant guard of the time. Just because you're doing something new, that doesn't mean you're doing something with lasting value. Any scientist will tell you - most experiments are failures.
@p.r.h.7283
@p.r.h.7283 9 күн бұрын
But that musician still dedicate themselves to this music says how important it is to some and it’s influence on the arts in general. It’s not for everyone just like Bach or Stevie Wonder isn’t. I don’t see the issue. We accept these elements in the visual arts but in music we’re stuck in the 1800’s
@leeroc1
@leeroc1 Күн бұрын
We all appreciate you giving his music an honest listen Marky. How grateful we are to witness another opinion on youtube.
@jakezonis17
@jakezonis17 9 күн бұрын
Hey man if Coleman didn’t start it you know somebody else would start it. Cecil Taylor was already on that really really out shit
@VoodooDewey69
@VoodooDewey69 9 күн бұрын
The most passionate of all trumpet players to ever grace our planet .He was my first great inspiration on the trumpet , he's buried outside of Philadelphia, in a humble grave and doesn't even have a headstone . Someday God willing I'll construct a statue for him there .Gone but not forgotten. His music will influence trumpet players for generations to come .
@oluhamilton2121
@oluhamilton2121 9 күн бұрын
He definitely OFFENDED SENSIBILITIES. Saw him on SNL, introduced by UNCLE MILTIE, of all ppl. To tell the truth, l liked the 'Skies of America' and 'Science Fiction'.
@Gk2003m
@Gk2003m 9 күн бұрын
Ok… Ornette was indeed a visionary. An often unlistenable visionary, just as even Coltrane’s incessant blowing was both visionary and sometimes unlistenable. Ultimately, it’s all about what turns you on. When I was a teen I was listening to Ornette Coleman. Nowadays I’m more likely to dig on Dexter Gordon.
@robertpolevoi8630
@robertpolevoi8630 4 күн бұрын
Last night, I was listening to Ornette (Soapsuds) after listening to Lester Young (Aladdin recordings). Same experience. Same pleasure. Same exploration of everything that makes Jazz music still important.
@johnenglish929
@johnenglish929 9 күн бұрын
The only concert I have ever walked out on. I just couldn’t take any more. I really didn’t get it.
@wilfig
@wilfig 10 күн бұрын
Ornette was definitely a visionary. Genius.
@daigreatcoat44
@daigreatcoat44 10 күн бұрын
The early opposition to Coleman showed how parochial many of the critics were: it was as if the concept of an avant-garde was quite unknown to them. The support of John Lewis was crucial, as he and the Modern Jazz Quartet were very popular with a middle-brow audience, and the MJQ recording of "Lonely Woman" helped enormously - it was my introduction to Coleman, whose music I loved from the start. I don't think that Coleman regarded himself as an innovator - just as someone who had his own style and was determined to see where it took him. At the Five Spot, his group played opposite a more conventional band, the Art Farmer/Gigi Gryce quintet. Aware that many in the audience were there to listen only to him, Coleman addressed them with praise for the Farmer group, and encouraged them to listen to both groups with equal attention and respect. I believe that he was rather embarrassed by the titles given to his LPs, as he didn't see himself as a deliberate innovator.
@DR-wp6gy
@DR-wp6gy 10 күн бұрын
Ornette Coleman the pride of Fort Worth, TX