I think I purchased it in 1999??😮

other way around.

Did you get to train with Luo Laoshi in Taipei? How lucky!

You a student of Luo De Xiu?

@@JO-uy6zsI am a student of Yizong. I have been in seminars with Luo. I also have worked with a few other people within our lineage. Luo was one of Hong YI Xiang’s top fighters. He is a martial genius with years of hard work to promote his art.

@@JO-uy6zsdo you train?

Yeah exactly that s why i always tough Chinese martial are meant for grappling not intercepting a punch

@Ram qi They mostly are grappling, but sometimes involve striking like knees or hitting the face as part of takedown setup. Unfortunately, most Chinese martial arts get a bad name due to people being taught CMA as striking arts. Grappling is what you would do instead of striking, due to the fact bladed weapons being a major thing back when most martial arts were made. Edit: Would also like to add, some non-sport martial arts will have unarmed forms that mirror armed combat forms. This can make forms seem confusing, as you might mot realize the context of the form.

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it's been a couple of months but I just have to add...HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

@@shawn6669 🥂

Exactly but most of techniques are meant to grab an arm that want to grab you in a grappling context not a striking one like in boxing

Impossible? Hardly. Easy? Not at all.

@David Wallace true enough. Though that doesn't seem to be what he focuses on and trains students for competition with as far as I know.

@David Wallace I think you're right. It is a long path and I think the emphasis on forms might be a more modern focus. I've trained them for two decades and figure a much faster approach would have been to focus in wrestling grappling and striking for five years then train icma. The movement skills and body mechanics found in them are great.

@@illiJomusic Tim focuses on BJJ because that's where the money is. Nothing more complicated than that.

But grapplers do grap the arm tho

You mean a feint?

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I took Aikido during the Sixties in Melbourne, Florida. There were not many techniques back in those days, the attacks were linked to the defenses, everything was a series of linked movements. Since then I have taken Pa-Kua from several instructors here in Northern California, as well as a lot of Tai-Chi. The patterns for the various Tai-Chi systems are very similar, as are the patterns of movements for Pa-Kua and Aikido. IMHO, Aikido is _very_ similar, especially in the footwork, to Pa-Kua.

Plenty actually. Bagua has a lot of close range throws/clinch range technique. You can look up Luo DeXiu on KZbin.

Also in any fight a key tenet is maintaining proper distance. In a situation where you're rushed of course different methods should be applied clinching or slipping if you're a boxer etc. But of course this is quite common knowledge to anyone in practically any art I'm sure you well aware of these concepts.

I imagine it's because he's trying to make it easier to see what's going on. It is a demonstration video not a sparing video.

@@stephena1196 I'm glad it's filmed that way, makes it easy to follow on a computer monitor.

This is just for a video. Luo does teach a lot of distancing drills.

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Some people teach bagua for health and all those flowery things but rest assured yizong teaches gao style bagua mainly for fighting, a lot of violent throws and turning limbs till they tear tendons, Luo is a very nice guy though, he has to slow all this down so he can actually teach it but when he applys it in combat/sparring its extremely fast and subtle

It's very difficult to compare a single style to a blend of styles. Baguazhang was developed and taught as an art for bodyguards in the 1870s. The style as a whole includes a lot of illegal moves for UFC (breaks, small joint manipulation, stomping grounded opponents, to name a few). Asking for these to be removed then comparing it to MMA is simply comparing apples to oranges. They are used for different things. That being said, I would consider Baguazhang an incomplete art. After having studied for over a year, it's very apparent that the style by itself has hardly any ground fighting. Does that mean I don't value the art any longer? No, of course not. It just means I have to employ the techniques I do know to avoid going to the ground, and if I wanted to go into MMA I would need to supplement that part of the game, probably with BJJ. But the same is true about Western styles, like modern boxing. Edit: I brought up this discussion with my sifu, and he pointed out that firearms were in use when baguazhang was developed, so the go to would be to shoot the assailant, and use bagua if that wasn't an option.

so wheres that stream at

so when are you gonna eat your hat? Lol.

It's not made for MMA, totally different scenario. Actually nothing is made for MMA. BJJ, American boxing, kick boxing, Asian martial arts, none of it. Totally apples and oranges. And those are all legit fighting styles.

Even greater when the opponent doesn't play nice.

Luo DeXiu has used this in the street and the ring. He's also taught outstanding practical Kungfu teachers like Tim Cartmell, as well as helping some Asian MMA fighters sharpen their game.

@Michael Terrell II I've already mentioned it on the Fight Commentary Breakdowns multiple times. I don't personally know the fighters that Luo Dexiu recently helped train, but I know there were a few videos of that fighter floating around KZbin a few years ago. Forgot what organization he fought for... possibly "One FC." I do know that Tim Cartmell used to train with Luo Dexiu and still teaches at the Ace Jiujitsu school in the Southern California area (and I've recommended "Fight Commentary Breakdowns" to interview Mr. Cartmell already. Would be a very informative interview, as Tim is well versed in both BJJ and Chinese internal arts like Xingyi, Bagua and Wu style Taiji).

@Michael Terrell II you can always look up Tim cartmell. He studied with Luo for 5 years and currently also teaches BJJ

I've done bagua for just a year or so and not an expert in any way. I feel the way to digest these videos is not through memorizing the moves but rather notice what particular "thing" is being manipulated by the move, which I think is what the shifu is trying to convey anyway; I don't think one expects every move to be carried out in its entirety. For example, that first move at 3:15, what I took away is 1. trying to twist the opponent's body to get them off balance, and one of those ways is by pulling on opposite arms and 2. when you're close to the person, you can spin the arm and leg in opposite directions topple the opponent or push him away while keeping yourself stable. However, as one would in a game of chess, sometimes you try out a strategy and it doesn't work, then one must abort the move or change up the move at the right time.

yes!