Absolutely and there was such a huge, well deserved community around it! 👍

Never as popular as some of the classics and no dynamic campaign but a fun little sim in it's own right and recommended if you want to try something not as well known. 👍

Not with the Amiga version, but had a look at some Amiga emulation. Are you thinking of running in legacy hardware or ripping the media and using emulation (or both). With emulation it can run at A1200 rather than A500 speeds so choppy framerate is not so choppy! In fact with the horrible joystick deadzone on the PC version, I'm wondering what the Amiga version might be like in WinUAE?

@@darkenedroom Depends on what the A500 Mini counts as.

@@BaronSFel001 Tricky, I seen various posts saying it runs faster and there's a bit of a manual hack to use a usb and pc to change settings. MIght be worth giving it a whirl in WinUAE first, if possible?

And very much ready to go 'out of the box', you can often just leave the default render settings as is for a good 'crt like' experience. I didn't change them in this video.

As I was doing research for the website articles I grabbed some pix of the media I think it was 1991 - 5.25 disks and by 1995 - cd rom! And I think OFT was definitely released on 5.25 disks, not sure about MiG or Hornet though?

Absolutely, one of the definitive classics of the genre!

Just used the voodoo staging settings: [voodoo] voodoo = true voodoo_memsize = 12 voodoo_multithreading = true voodoo_bilinear_filtering = true It's voodoo emulation not voodoo2 so you better make sure you used the right patch? That's voodoo card emulation only with Staging. Glide passthrough is only available on DOSBox-X.

@@darkenedroom no need of glide. dll. ? anyway just tried. Guess screamer doesn't like it, not enough. But I am using dosbox .74 with the statement glide= on and it works .But I wanted the crt shader as well

@@Gabriele-bu7ri you might want to regen a new default dosbox staging config as it has had a few changes over the last few versions

@@darkenedroom I am using 0.82

Any joystick, as long as you can map the x and y axes to the mouse x and y axes. As Hornet 2.0 uses the mouse. I was using a Warthog joystick which was mapped with the TARGET app.

The flight engine is still pretty solid and stands up today, it's just a shame more people didn't get to play it, being a mac exclusive although now it can be run under emulation in Win10! 👍

@@darkenedroom not the same game was on pc with another name...i think a 10 cuba...with more colors but in core the same.A golden era...

@@simonnomis5302 yes it was A-10 Cuba, (the sequel to A-10 Attack!) which was released on both Mac and PC platforms and uses the same flight engine with it's impressive physics model 👍

You need to limit your hotas to 4 axes (throttle and rudder being axes 3 and 4). Select joystick type as 4axis in DOSBox. Then you need to select joystick 2 in game preferences (which is v misleading) as it allows you to calibrate the joystick x & y axes and then allows you calibrate joystick2 x and y axes, so you have to calibrate the throttle and rudder together. The throttle is a bit unusual as even on manual you are still flying the autothrottle so forward/back on the throttle increases/decreases thrust until you return to throttle centre.

@@darkenedroom Interesting I just checked I have no joy 2 option

@@Gabriele-bu7ri 4 axes configured controller and 4 axis in dosbox? Which version of Tornado,? I have v1.0e.

@@darkenedroom I do confirm 1.0E. And 4axis in window and 4axis in staging. Rudder can be calibrated but no effective once in sim. Using MSFB2

So if you scroll through the controller options on the preference page, it should go keyboard 1, keyboard 2, joystick 1, joystick 2, make sure it's set to a standard joystick and not CH or TM. Near the end of the video I show the preference page.

I think Subwar fell off the radar for a lot of people, because I think people started playing it and then dropped it due to all the scripting issues and the weird results. And some of the mission briefings were just too vague. Those issues hurt it a lot, even now I keep finding better ways to play missions to avoid them. I created a walkthrough for all the campaigns and tbh I don't consider it 'cheating' to use it. It just clarifies what you need to do and how to avoid scripting problems!

I had heard of the first 3 but Deep Fighter was a bit of a mystery to me. Had to look it up on MobyGames. I'm surprised it's not more well known it had fairly decent review scores and looks interesting. I should give it a look sometime!

Yeah, I'm not sure if it's the recording software or there just isn't that much difference, I've switched to the beta version in steam and going to give that a whirl. Not only playing, I've actually managed to complete it, walkthrough on the website!

Well it's an experimental aircraft, so they must have the gun camera hooked up to a telex machine, for some sweet hardcopy ascii art gun kills! 🤣

Yes, it's the ability to control the joysticks under, PCem which allows you to control what Win98 sees as a joystick being the key. It's a very useful technique for flight sim emulation. Glad it proved useful for you 👍

Bit early for that, still testing!

@@darkenedroom ok will keep tracking :)

Yup, when I have a chance I'll add something to the website. And I need to get the control scheme process consistent. 👍

Short answer is ddraw.dll with the following ini settings enabled: Dinputto8, EnableDdrawWrapper, HandleExceptions, DdrawEmulateSurface, DdrawEmulateLock, FilterNonActiveInput

@@darkenedroom Thanks I will check as soon as I can myself. I am wondering if the dxwrapper would be the good solution for Longbow 2 and the rockets falling short. I am saying because it was sure in FA-18 in janes solving the automatic landing problem in native W10

@@Gabriele-bu7ri It's easy to set up and config DxWrapper and the engines may be similar enough so that the same settings that worked for FA-18 may work for Longbow 2.

I thought it was worth giving it a whirl and see what happens. The ability to convert to DInput8 might help in a few other games as well.

Will have to document what I've found so far, but some early promising results. Getting the HOTAS to work took a bit of faffing around with control schemes and the buttons don't work but mapping software would probably help that out. Throttle and stick axes were fine!👍

Ok so the joystick is sorted, I had 3dfx enabled so turning it off isn't enough, the game has to start with 3dfx disabled, so turn it off, quit and restart and if the 3dfx is disabled, joystick should work straight-away. Buttons still not mapped and getting to button 36 in the remapping options will cause a freeze. IMHO after some dogfighting the handle exception option in DxWrapper means the game will hit a dx exception and continue there will be artifacts around the screen but it won't just CTD. The higher the resolution the less time it takes to hit an exception. So at 1920x1200 you can dogfight for a few mins before a freeze and screen artifacts everywhere. Lower the resolution the longer everything will be fine. But there are still a lot of options to test, so DxWrapper is worth it just to prevent CTD after a tricky mission and the game crashes 30 seconds from landing!

lol, I know exactly what you mean, I've put in many many hours myself, the worst bit is escorting a transport and it jumps out just as pirates jump in and you lose your transport. And now I've added a guide to play it on Windows 10, what have I done! 🤣

I've had a quick look at frame generation with Lossless Scaling, didn't notice a big difference with EF2000 but it made much more of a difference with Subwar 2050. Although I haven't spent a lot of time with it yet, so I'll continue to look at it. 👍

There's some listed in the video description, well the important ones that differ from the DOSBox Staging defaults, but I haven't added a guide to my website so I'll probably add one there fairly shortly! 👍

Added a setup guide to the description so hopefully that will be of some help 👍

I'm using my TM Warthog HOTAS, I have TM TFRP rudder pedals as well but I don't think I used them for Privateer., since it doesn't support a throttle axis I was probably just using throttle buttons as the speed control.

It really does! And the internal cockpit view is at a high enough resolution to use as an internal cockpit view without having too switch to MFD views, although I still did! 👍

Really is, still love it and it looks so good at ridiculously high res 🤣

In game resolution was 640x400, the desktop resolution was 3840x2160, so with a 4:3 aspect ratio set in the DOSBox config, (I think, might be wrong) the actual game windows size might be getting upscaled by DOSBox Staging to 2560x1920 given the black bars top/bottom/left/right of the game window.

@@darkenedroom and at such resolution do you have corrupted display when zooming on MFDS?. I have it in the orginal release of EF2000 reloaded

@@Gabriele-bu7ri The EF2000 Reloaded video is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIjZd5efptigars&ab_channel=darkenedroom This was at 2560x1600 and the MFD's look ok?

@@darkenedroom MFD are OK and readable, but background is corrupted, unless you use res 640 X400. In reloaded. In staging I haven't tried

You can almost see the exact moment I thought 'I should not have done that' 🤣

@darkenedroom yup:) this system saved my life so many times when the demon inside you want that kill hehe. But I ended up canceling it because it interfered my NOE flight (one of the strongest points in this game)

@@lironk1 I serious need to spend more time playing this sims I've gotten working!

@darkenedroom it's a great game ! Finished it long time ago and I enjoyed it alot. Missiles seem to be a mystery here but it's still a fun game with nice hardware on the F35 to play with

@@lironk1 I has having too much fun getting gun kills!

For a game so old it has very few problems and runs better than it's sequel!

Edited!

Yeah, I have it running natively in Win10, trickier to record video though. It just needed Windows standard compatibility fixes. You get freezing/stuttering on the intro movies, and there may be some issues with modern multi-axes/multi-button controllers (which is why PCem may be preferable for some). On the plus side it can use the 3dfx native drivers with PCem, I don't think this is Glide but something closer to the 3dfx hardware. Lagging may be due to the SB PCII 128 sound card configured in PCem, might be better to switch to SB16 or AWE32.

DxWnd and nGlide are the wrappers used in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2LUmJuBd9ato9k&ab_channel=darkenedroom Settings are described in the setup guide (link in video description)

I've never played it but I just wanted to see if I could get it running as well as possible under wiin10. Plays a lot better with the fan made patches.

Not sure, I have it installed in pcem but was unaware of any rocket issue?

@@darkenedroom check. In native mode w10 (with dgvoodoo installed) you will see that anything over 18 FPS , on my system in the least, will lead the unguided rockets to fall short of targets

Tricky to tell, I think I'd have to build a dedicated win98 box to be really sure. But given it occurs on different OS's/emulators/wrappers makes me think intended behaviour.

It does, just a shame it's so difficult to get running on a modern PC! It's a very temperamental game. 👍

@@darkenedroom Bei mir geht's ohne Probleme. Vor zwei Tagen angefangen Best Mission 1270 pts. und CMH Award.

@@georgipetrov307 Which version are you using? I meant running the mac version through emulation on a modern PC can be temperamental, unless you use MAME. Congrats on the CMOH! 👍

@@darkenedroom Ich kenne mich mit der Spiel schon. Ich spiele es mit DosBox 0.74-3. Ich hatte es in 90' Jahren gespielt.

@@georgipetrov307 ah the pc version. give DOSBox staging a try, out of the box crt emulation and mt32 support! 👍

Glad you liked it!

also can you try a mission and try issue commands to wingmen?.. how are the sound messages?

Using the latest version, at least it was v2.06.05.fx1

@@darkenedroom yes I tired as well it works.

Wasn't too hard with DxWnd

Should do Mobygames specs say Pentium, Win95 and DirectX 7.

It was kinda the sequel to Team Apache.

I have a copy of Anthology, so ripped the cds into images but it works with Longbow Gold as well.

@@darkenedroom ok that’s cool. I will go with the gold then

Not perfect, but stable enough to playthrough now!

@@darkenedroom thanks for this

Just pleased all the work is done now!