More capable for some things, less so for others. All depends on what you need from your knife. Thanks for watching 🙏

Thanks for the suggestion, I plan to. What do you run it at? Grit and angle, if you know.

Yeah classic Benchmade terrible factory edge. Not really surprising. Glad you got a nice edge on there now and you're happy with it!

@@NocturneKnives I felt the other models. Without the aluminum handle they flet too flimsy. A thin knife like these either need a nice solid material for the handle or more reinforcement behind the scales imo.

Yeah I totally get that. I have a Bugout with Applied Weapons Tech scales and it's awesome

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Thank you, my friend 🙏 appreciate the kind words

Huh I guess it's probably aluminum then

Thanks brother, love ya, dog ❤️

Thanks! It took a few minutes but I figured that out a bit after I cut the camera. Appreciate your help 🙏

Hey Scott thanks for watching 🙏 I chose to extensively modify the PM2 because I really like it a lot. For the Shaman, you're correct, several of my complaints would be easy mods to fix. But I just don't like the knife as much as the PM2 and I knew that even with those mods I wouldn't keep it. I actually got another Shaman later on (15V version) and really modded the shit out of it. Even then, after making it the best version of the Shaman that I could imagine, I did not like it as much as the PM2. Hope this helps you understand a little.

​@@NocturneKnivesI'm not hating on you I have both and I like the pm 2 more also, I see guys on KZbin spend 300 on scales and clips and whatnot on a 200 knife but scream the shaman isn't perfect, not you but a bunch of other reviewers, I just find it kinda funny, I do agree with that little nub, what is the point of that? Lol

Yeah the nub is a bit perplexing... Have you checked out the Bodacious? It's a great combination of Shaman design language, PM2 thinness, and a full length cutting edge with no nub or choil. I really like mine

​@@NocturneKnivesI have and it's on the list, blew my wad for this month, REC exclusive para 3 lightweight, I own the shaman, manix2 and pm2 all rivers edge FDE green blade so I had to jump on the para 3 lightweight, they sell out in half a day, so In a month or so bodacious is on my radar

@@ScottSimmons68 awesome dude sweet collection 🤠

I'm a bit confused on what you're saying. Are you saying that you used the first strop at an angle of 30 degrees per side? And the second strop at 20 degrees per side? How many passes did you do? At what angle? How much pressure? Are they strops loaded with any compound?

@@NocturneKnives Yes. I need to go higher to 30' before I'm reaching the adge on first strop. I tried to do for 20 passes with light pressure. Strops are not loaded with any compound.

If you're stropping at 30 degrees per side that is incredibly obtuse, I am not surprised your edge is not very sharp. Is the edge bevel sharpened at 30dps? If not, why are you stropping at such a high angle, and why is the second strop not requiring such a high angle? I suggest loading your strops with compound. A bare strop, as I mention in the video, does little to nothing other than remove any straggling micro burr.

@@NocturneKnives thank you for helping! I didn't achieve a nice results on old strop however I am impressed with sharpness from the second strop. Maybe first strop have some strange leather 🤷 I should do some experiments with it. Thanks for your time and content❤️

Interesting maybe I'll have to give basswood a shot! Thanks for watching 🙏

@@NocturneKnivesdefinitely worth a try, it’s quite cheap. You can also use a lot more pressure without rounding the apex off. Makes getting the exact angle easier. Almost all great sharpeners I talk to, seem to like or prefer basswood. Don’t forget to sand it down to 600 or 1000 grit😏.

Thank you my friend 🙏 appreciate the feedback!

I have the full video detailing my process up on my channel!

@@NocturneKnives thanks!

It does just fine, from my limited experience so far. It's much more valuable to tailor edge finish to intended use or personal preference, rather than steel type .

@NocturneKnives well, some steels also take certain edges better than others depending on grain structure/heat treat. If this has tons of tiny, well structured carbides, it should still have bite when polished. I only ask because my Spyderco Lil Temperance 3 is in k390 and I plan on sharpening it soon.

@dustinwhitt5297 yes correct! To some extent some steels to take certain edges better. However, optimizing edge finish to cutting application will have vastly more impact on performance than optimizing finish up steel choice (excepting some fringe cases). Of course, it would be the most ideal to optimize BOTH steel and edge finish to the cutting application, but that's often difficult

Definitely agree with that! I bought this Redoubt because I found a really nice sale, it was like 25% off normal retail price, which is really what all BMs should be!

Hey buddy thank you 🙏

Thanks buddy 🙏

A couple things... the camera is a bit deceptive in capturing exactly what I'm doing. As I come through the belly I am raising my elbow, even if I'm not turning the knife a lot. It also doesn't look like it, but those strokes I am taking with the knife more perpendicular to the stone are really only barely getting into the start of the belly. Those are more working the transitions from straight edge to belly. Again, it's kinda deceptive with the camera angle. Most importantly, I am making sure to remove an even amount of material from each section of the edge. Regardless of angle, hand position, knife position, etc., the only thing that will cause the actual profile of the edge to change over time is if I actually remove material unevenly from the apex. Hopefully this makes sense, not super easy to explain with words alone. Thanks for watching 🙏

@@NocturneKnives All makes sense! Wish I could use my left hand as well as you; would make things so much simpler. I don’t do well maintaining consistent angle when pushing knife edge away from me. So pretty good pulling toward me since I can see the edge. My edges end up very convex due to inconsistency.

It's all a matter of practice! Imo definitely with the investment to learn ambidextrous sharpening. And really, there's nothing wrong with a bit of convexity. The most important things are 1 is the edge sharp and 2 does it perform how you want and need it to.

Agreed. And this being CPM-D2 it should be a very different beast entirely.

Oh perfect 😁👍 Yes I do still have mine. That's a great suggestion I should put some use on it and sharpen it. Thanks for watching, buddy 🙏

The autos are cool 😎

Thanks for watching 🙏

Sorry about the repeat question. I saw the answer in another comment. Thanks.

Awesome glad you could work it out! Drop another question if you need some more help 🙏

It's definitely not cheap, but that's just how much Spydercos cost now for the most part. It has the design language of a shaman, but thinner overall and no choil or nub to run into the comp lock cutout. I much prefer to a shaman. Thanks for watching 🙏

@@NocturneKnives The price is OK, for something a bit more than G10 and S30V. And the only weakness I've ever found on Spydercos is that lack of a sharpening choil, so I'll often cut a small one with a triangular file to have something to lay on the edge of the wetstone. I have to admit on closer inspection it is a beautiful design though, and I especially really like the handle contour, which looks very comfortable. I just hope they come out with some in micarta or CF, in some higher end steels, but you know if it's as much of a success as the Shaman they will. Thanks for the info and first look, as I hadn't even heard it was coming. 👍

This would be cool in crucarta variant, and at Blade they had prototypes of a 15V version.

I wouldn't say so. You can run this at very low speed, and if you move the edge across sufficiently quickly there is no risk of overheating. I tried it out the other day and it created a very nice, refined edge with little effort. I'm impressed. It does not replace hand for me, but it could for some. Thanks for watching 🙏

I would expect they are available very soon! I was surprised they had any at Blade available

They were on cutlery shoppe yesterday and gone today 😢

NC blade had a pre-order

DLT has them in stock atm

@@dr.wolinsbelt GP Knives also.

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I bet they will be available soon!

Awesome 😎 what Spydies do you have now?

@@NocturneKnives i got the para 2 in the SPY27 with the blue G10, para 3, para 3 light, Sage 5 Carbon Fiber/G10 & the Work Horse Manix 2

@@user-cr7zu5ww4w dude that's an awesome lineup!

@@NocturneKnives thanks bro💯😎👍🏼

Nailed it! Shaman design language, but without a choil and thinner overall. Blade thickness is 0.125" vs 0.156 iirc on the Shaman. The handle is also much thinner, it feels the same as a PM2.

@@NocturneKnivesso it’s like a pm2 and a shaman had a baby…. Sounds like a pretty sweet knife! I’ll take the shaman still I love how thick and heavy the blade is but I will need to try one of these. Awesome that you got one man

Yes that's exactly what it's like! I think it will be a great knife, and it does diverge from both of those knives by going without a choil. I love it, excited to put it to use. Thanks for watching 🙏

@@joshdoe7288I been trying to find out what are some of the thickest blades out there, you have me wanting to get the shaman now haha. Any other recommendations for thicker spyderco blades?

Spyderco does not tend to do many thicker blades. The Shaman is one of their most overbuilt knives that isn't a ti frame lock like the Techno

It's actually really cool, I did not think I would like it!

$415 I really freaking need one

I paid $440 for this one

Lol unfortunately not. I remembered who I got it for and it will be in the mail today!

Oh awesome where did you end up getting it from

Picked up from an individual seller who had a table at Blade

@@NocturneKnives oh I see no problem

I did actually do a private lesson once. Also considered running courses. If I do I'll be sure to post about! 😉

USD

Yeah it's not cheap lol 🤣

Maybe retail lol if he paid that at blade show he got railed. I'd sell one right now for $325 shipped lnib.

$440 for this one. My friend was happy to pay that, these are not easy to find

It does indeed 😅

Thanks! It's a very nice knife. The second of their Axis style locks I have handled. They do a great job, very smooth. The detent could be a little stronger, but it's solid as is.

Lol yeah it's not exactly a revolution, more of an evolution of the Shaman design language. I'm loving the no choil. But of course, the crazy Spydercos will always have a firm place in my heart!

Lol you know I feel that 😉

While I do wish the fuller was a bit easier to access, it's definitely doable, and pretty easy when you get used to it. Thanks for watching 🙏

Very cool 😎 thanks for watching 🙏

Yes, but I only take limited orders. Follow my Instagram to stay up to date when I post a random pick lottery to enter for a book spot: instagram.com/nocturneknives?igsh=NzBxY29nMHltNzl4 Thanks for watching 🙏

Yeah that are a tad thicc bte

Thank you 🙏 Yes it can be used to flick open!

Thank you 🙏

Well, and here's a crazy idea, some people can have different experiences than you! It doesn't mean you are wrong, and it doesn't mean we are wrong. We have simply seen things you haven't. That's fine. I'm glad to hear you got a good one, and have seen other good ones. I know this is a legit one, and the other gentleman, if he saw multiple in a legit store, knows he handled some legit ones. Side note: I have yet to actually see a fake Shootout. Maybe they exist, but I don't think very common. Thanks for watching 😂😂😂