It’s never too late. I played (and still play) them all. Modern Sims lack the fun element amidst the sandbox environment. Besides, they are like time capsules. No F-22s, weird war maps, AIM-9X‘s etc but Cold War stuff and the right atmosphere. Just think of Fleet Defender and Falcon 3.0.

@@Tertius_Oculus 🙂 It takes me back, i wanted to add TFX and eurofighter. Or where those the same sim? I know many of them, going back to the C64 with ace of aces. Then i went from Amiga 500 to pc.

Yes, this is on Dosbox. Mine is specifically configured for DOSBox ECE and my 3 axis joystick (example: Thrustmaster 16000M stick): www.mediafire.com/file/akwsixrabzfgfje/dosbox_fleetdefender.conf/file

I remember playing it too, but I was simply too young. Decades later, I went back to older sims and I was and still am blown away. The manual, the maps… Please check out the best video I ever managed to make (and the comments for time stamps because there are tiny details to be easily missed, i’s the total Tornado experience) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGfJh59-hs-NeMU

Completely agree. Btw. this vid here is the best Tornado video I ever made, played with various views, be sure to check the time stamps for "hard to see events" in the comments like an ALARM from a wingman hitting a SAM just in time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGfJh59-hs-NeMU

Yes, this is Windows 10. Depending on the version, you need DosBOX and install it. But... you need to check some guides how to set it up. You can setup a DosBOX individually for every single game. Despite this, except from MiG Alley, Jane's IAF/USAF (only XP and Win 10) I got EVERY military-like game/sim running on WinXP/Win7/Win8/Win10. If someone says: game X doesn't run, don't believe them.

There is one issue with modern hardware. You can’t use the high fidelity flight model since you get insta g-locs at the smoothest turns. Falcon 3.0 still has a lot of content as does Digital Integrations Tornado with Falcon BMS being the best one. DCS is too much sandbox, simply empty...

This game is probably older than you

@@SPiderman-rh2zk yeh almost

The graphics stink, yes. But the world/conflict/tech simulated inside these ugly pixels are top notch. No F-22s/F-35s, no AIM-9X's, no terrorists... just the full classic cold war gone hot scenario instead, Top Gun style.

Risingson Carlos Thank you for kind words. I had some long break from Tornado, but plan to begin flying it in the coming weeks... I fell very hooked to it. Believe me, it gets never old. Modern sims are suffering emptiness and demand lots of hardware. What makes Tornado superior is that it doesn’t need the best physics... you are on Autopilot, most times your are close to the ground and except of Visual references you don’t need graphics, you have your cockpit. Though it’s nice to see city lights, trains rolling around. Tornado reminded me a bit of the first Rainbow Six games... you get to plan lots of synchronized attacks yourself, precisely to overrun and overwhelm the air defenses from many sides. Check the airfield strike which I recorded and read the comments with time stamps. You won’t believe what happened in that flight around me... an ALARM fired off from a wingman towards its designated waypoint to hover in the air and react as soon as a air defence Radar gets active. I thought that im done til I saw a faint line dropping on this SAM making way for me & my JP run on a runway. I never experienced something similar in modern sims. Get it, fly it. It’s unbelievable.

Trim your thought-process on the following: - Know your Mission (Waypoints, Heading, Expected Threat Vector (where the enemy will come from), hostile area - Keep in mind any allied flights - Use your IFF interrogation to identify contacts (Hostile/Friendly) on your radar - Listen to the AWACs calls. If hostiles are near, point your nose straight at them. - Watch your RWR for hostile radar emissions like SAMs. Keep them on distance during a combat air patrol (CAP) => enemy territory - Maintain your situational awareness. You are moving in a 3D environment, don't get yourself lost especially during dogfights. - Use your wingman on a target while you focuss on the second target. - Absolutely necessary: Watch => kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqvHqn2ahLqMiLM (F-16 pilot Pete Bonnani made a Falcon 3.0 Course called "Art of the kill" talking about ACM and using the ACMI records during flights to analyze your flights. Falcon 3.0 demands a lot from you, as does Mircoprose Fleet Defender and Digital Integration Tornado. Currently, Falcon 4.0 with BMS 4.33 and DCS full fidelity modules are the highest you can get in Combat Simulators.

@@Tertius_Oculus Thanks for your input, but my issue is not with the piloting and combat operations, but rather with how clunky the graphics and the game in general is. It's the obsolete mature that Im trying to overcome. I know BMS and DCS, and I can manage there.

Retro Amateur To keep you motivated: Missions aren’t just missions. Such missions, with the past Cold War flair without fancy AIM-9X, F-35.. but with the A version of the F-16 etc., missions from past technological times with the old Soviet foe like in Fleet Defender too will never be reproduced. You will get this experience nowhere. The same goes for titles like Harpoon. The biggest obstacle being the graphics... “Cold war gone hot“ stuff is getting rare. :) Try to adapt your eyes to these graphics. It will take some time. Tornado was easy to adapt to.... while Falcon 3.0 & Fleet Defender were absolutely not (Padlock games).

@@Tertius_Oculus cannot wait to see you reviewing the other combat simulation highlights of the era (TFX or EF2000, the other D.I. or Microprose ones...)

Risingson Carlos Risingson Carlos I got them all. :) But the time is missing to fly them all. There is a guy called damsonn here on KZbin. He recorded US Navy Fighters and more stuff. I try to get deeper into Fleet Defender because... this setting & Cold War atmosphere is still freshly conserved in this fine sim. I will try to fly/record them all someday... but I feel that Tornado starts calling me for more sessions. Do you fly these oldies too? Remember, the cold war times, 80s/90s are still conserved. The missions, the foes... no F-22, terrorists etc. You will get this world nowhere to experience. This goes for titles like Harpoon as well with its carefully and realistically crafted battlesets which CMANO doesn’t provide. These are all gems.

It's the MigMan! Thank you for your kind comment! What an honor, I checked your a lot since over a decade :) Great work! You may as well check my best recorded video I ever made (though a bit too dark… but some gamma up) => kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGfJh59-hs-NeMU It sums up everything what DI's Tornado is all about. You may share as much as you like. I'd like to do more videos but have some rl stuff to do.

@@Tertius_Oculus Thank you. The FSM is undergoing a -0- major -0- upgrade right now. Look for lot's more cool stuff this year!

You gotta start somewhere.Thank you for pointing this out though. I was used to the F-16 (Falcon 4.0, Allied Forces, BMS) and had quite a hard time getting into the F-14.

It's still very economical to use LGB's since you can stack them in one weapon release slot (X,Y or Z) up to 5 or if you get cocky, leave the ECM pods and get all 7 and still release them one by one, which is unique to this type of weapon. It's a riddle to me whether this is the same "feature" in the real systems.

@@tomsweepwinguser8233 Great tip!

Back then those graphics were top of the line. And they really don't look bad nowadays for being a 1994 game.

@@joaquinandreu8530 Like with all older games.... the real gem is the content: 80s, cold war, soviet union, migs, 80s tech and airplanes... its like a conserved time capsule like in the Harpoon series, Digital Integration Tornado, Falcon 3.0 Gold, Jane's Longbow Gold and 2 or even the arcade classic Jane's Fighters Anthology (depending on the campaign). Nowadays you only have high fidelity "make the best of it"-sims like DCS which is mainly for online flying (no dynamic campaign). You won't get any cold war stuff this good anywhere else. Despite that... check out the book (based on Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations which is similar to Harpoon but newer) Northern Fury: H-Hour. Interesting times!

Tertius Oculus true indeed. Harpoon fanatic here and F-14 enthusiast. It was a beautiful machine.

i think the graphics are wonderful, and look better than what i expected they would for the time

Actually approaching faster (around 600kts) and a bit higher (starting lavel flight at 1000ft) you can loft-drop the bombs from farther away and do a half looping to avoid coming THAT close to the target).

That was a bit complicated to setup. But it was worth it for Tornado and other Sims too.

Yes. I even counted 8 triple AAA's now and before they hit my sensors with their emitting radars, I only got one emitting SAM (my primary target) which I have destroyed. Intel suggested a low or medium amount of Anti-Air. I didn't expect to fly through such a mine-field. :)

6:28 => Observe the left area in the cockpit view closely. You see a ALARM striking that AAA-contact and smoke afterwards. 7:23 => Small explosion due to ALARM missile hitting its target. 7:25 => Watch the area above the middle part of the red landing stripe: A SAM firing one off at me (smoke visible and the missile flying up). And now rethink: All this within around 11 MegaByte (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I counted). How is this possible? And it was one authentic and immersive mission out of so many.

You are right, I've checked it and corrected the title and learned the difference for the first time. Thanks for your input damsonn!

I remember it was around 1994. But I was too young to grasp the complete content and seriousness of that simulation. How about you Frankie? BTW my first sims were EA's F/A-18 Interceptor and Falcon both on Amiga. I had both my Top Gun and Iron Eagle action with both sims.

Frankie now that I call atmosphere! It's like in "Tornado Down!" by John Nichol (John Peters was the pilot), similar to the Single Mission: Counter-Air which I've uploaded but without weapons failure and without ejecting. Still tense and like you said: nothing beats it and the ongoing show at the target area! Cheers!

In 2001 I started exploring the game and quickly realized that I would need the manual in order to get the most benefit and enjoyment from the game, So in 2002 I got my Spectrum Holobyte copy from a Texan from eBay. I remember playing it so much then that whenever I was in a Head Of Departments meeting I would look at the table and image a Tornado streaking across the landscape at low level. I played it on my desktop with an original IBM monitor. The clearest and sharpest colors to play Tornado with. I have many flight sims and each one (ewpecially the Windows ones) I had to struggle with performance issues on my lowly spec computer. All except Tornado which remains my FAVOURITE after all these years. My best sim-moment was when I decided to switch off the lights and play Tornado in the dark. What an experience, racing towards the target waypoint and seeing the RWR display lighting up with threats. Every decision could be my last and the entire mission from takeoff to landing is an exercise of the mind and nerves,

I was already looking for Tornado - Limited Edition (with Op. Desert Storm) but nowhere to find a good used package ;) And: It simply blew me off. After so many years and hours of DCS (Black Shark II, A-10C etc.) and Falcon BMS... Tornado hooked me if not even more than both sims. Unbelievable. A good side-effect is that my eyes can adapt to older Sims even faster... so Falcon 3.0 Gold and Fleet Defender Gold look good too ;)

wasn't finally surpassed until TrackIR came out decades later. I LOVED this game. Used to haul my rig to my friend Harold's house and we would play this networked for hours. Available on GOG with Falcon, Falcon AT, and Falcon 4.0 (ready for BMS install) for peanuts!

Thank you, got a new stream uploaded with highlights seperately dropped into the Tornado Highlight's playlist. Enjoy! (And yeah, I crashed one time because I got distracted!)

Hi Frankie, yes surface to air missile.

See my post in the Dogs Of War forums. goo.gl/CmG367

Haha nice post over there! So are you able to take out some targets with the SA-2E in "Operation El Dorado Canyon"? I got punished instantly with the AGM-88 HARM for radiating too long...

Frankie is everywhere ;-)