Thank God because I read the Bible and became suicidal. I clearly was reading it literally and from a 21st century mindset when it was written over 2,000 years ago. Thank God I was wrong!!!
@jonathansmiddy72243 күн бұрын
My question is this. Did Moses really kidnap 32,000 virgin girls from Midian after slaughtering their families, stealing the flocks of animals and all the gold? See Numbers 31 for details. So is the 32,000 virgins literally true? If not 32,000 exactly, then how many? Did this event really happen? 31 Then Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the 👉 Lord had commanded Moses. 32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the troops had taken totaled six hundred seventy-five thousand sheep, 33 seventy-two thousand oxen, 34 sixty-one thousand donkeys, 35 and 👉 thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known a man by sleeping with him.
@stultusvenator32336 күн бұрын
"Why the Bible can't be read literally" I know the answer to this one. Because it would be completely ridiculous and impossible. It has to be read as Fictional Literature that has been complied, massaged, harmonized, copied, translated and theologically interpreted. Not a single book but a collection of selected modified mythologies. Not Real and Not History.
@skeetabomb8 күн бұрын
Also, why do we assume the development of human theological and philosophical understanding has only been in one direction? Does it ever occur to these 'teachers' that it might be possible that human understanding of God may have become dull and clouded due to the fall, and that perhaps, at the beginning, we knew more than we do now about God? Why do none of these people mention the possibility that we lost understanding and knowledge (of things other than just good and evil) when we fell? It think it's time we re-introduce a biblical word into the modern vernacular - haughty.
@skeetabomb8 күн бұрын
Observations I have made: Christians who are more academic in life tend to be more conservative in their Christian expression (they have an apparent aversion to the spiritual gifts Paul describes), they tend to give in to (now demonstrably false) evolutionary theory, which in turn gives rise to theological compromises in the New Testament. They like to quote lots of big words to sound smart in the ears of many other people. They seem to struggle more with issues of faith, and they tend not to believe Old Testament history as true history. News flash: science and archaeology are confirming the Old Testament narrative as history more and more every day. Why can OT history not be both true history and metaphor and philosophy at the same time? To reject that idea I think is to both limit the text and, more importantly, limit God.
@JimJones-kj8jk22 күн бұрын
I learned nothing about process theology, open theism, or their refutations.
@user-bb3ej3iv9y26 күн бұрын
Causal chains are great philosophy fun but are lame in the real world. Nuclear physics has a core property of "spontaneous decay", i.e. the atom decayed without cause. It's not that the cause is undiscovered but can't exist. Why should I consider philosophical causality when real world causality doesn't play by those rules.
@billwilkie621127 күн бұрын
Not to out myself as a lemming, but I agree with and appreciate every word.
@AndrewJensАй бұрын
WTF is going on? "god" is a creation of ignorant and superstitious iron-age men who just reinvented previous "religions" that they didn't like. Why are we even discussing the ontological nature of the fictional character of "god"?
@rebsince71Ай бұрын
Jesus is our judge, and will determine our eternal destination…He spelled out how we will be judged. One would surmise that He should know the truth…
@Sc3tchyАй бұрын
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
@hermanessencesАй бұрын
I was wondering if he actually just sat still while the question was asked, lol
@mcnallyaarАй бұрын
YES!
@benjaminwhitley1986Ай бұрын
Wow! This is so good. So helpful. So hopeful.
@OrigenisAdamantiosАй бұрын
the EOC never incubated ECT until Justinian! #AGAINSTJUSTINIAN -ism
@vladislavstezhko18642 ай бұрын
David Bentley Hart takes this too far
@KainosJoyPodcast2 ай бұрын
So good. Love this theologian. “all shall be saved” - Excellent read! ❤🎉
@thecarlitosshow76872 ай бұрын
ok cool I will be hostile back lmao
@DIBBY402 ай бұрын
Its all allegory revealing spiritual truth. Literalism is not so much faith in God, but faith in history.
@Moonless64912 ай бұрын
I've always had a problem with an all loving God who would create us against our will then torture us forever for being what we are.
@OmarDenison2 ай бұрын
Dripping with contempt - and perhaps he is right. If you want apostolic simplicity go to a mosque.
@PRASANTHTHOMAS-hx3nhАй бұрын
Visit any Mosque in the Middle East? It's the opposite of Simplicity
@U20user102 ай бұрын
Voice quality🫥🫥
@OmarDenison2 ай бұрын
A lucid and passionate summary of the Muslim position.
@comradelightswitch88142 ай бұрын
Hart have you considered the possibility that peope are so against universalism because it directly contradicts the words of Christ, our Saints, our Councils and all of Orthodoxy Christianity?
@joecheffo5942Ай бұрын
You don't think this guy knows the Bible? He seems like a high level Bible scholar. Did you ever think that the idea of hell was a great way to control people, that's why the church endorsed it? By the way, what were the very last words Jesus said before he died, according to the Bible?
@comradelightswitch8814Ай бұрын
@@joecheffo5942 he said it is finished. The Bible says the Church is the rock and pillar of the Truth, anyone who interprets the Bible contrary to the Church is a false teacher. As Christ also said, he who does not believe will be damned. You can try to psychoanalyze why people believe in hell and oppose universalism, but to someone who is after the truth the answer will be obvious. We oppose it because not only is it opposed to the True Faith, we oppose it because it only leads more people to hell. If people don't understand the danger they're in, they will be swallowed up. We as Orthodox Christians must struggle to be purified, but if we don't struggle, we'll be surrendering to the demons. If Hart is right and we all just want others to lose, the best thing we could do is let them believe this universalism nonsense
@comradelightswitch8814Ай бұрын
@@joecheffo5942 he said it is finished. The Bible says the Church is the rock and pillar of the Truth, anyone who interprets the Bible contrary to the Church is a false teacher. As Christ also said, he who does not believe will be damned. You can try to psychoanalyze why people believe in hell and oppose universalism, but to someone who is after the truth the answer will be obvious. We oppose it because not only is it opposed to the True Faith, we oppose it because it only leads more people to hell. If people don't understand the danger they're in, they will be swallowed up. We as Orthodox Christians must struggle to be purified, but if we don't struggle, we'll be surrendering to the demons. If Hart is right and we all just want others to lose, the best thing we could do is let them believe this universalism nonsense
@joecheffo5942Ай бұрын
@@comradelightswitch8814 In Luke “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” Mark: “ my God, my God why have you forsaken me?”
@comradelightswitch8814Ай бұрын
@@joecheffo5942 hahahaha I see what you're trying to do, and it's silliness. If you're gonna look for contradictions look for real ones, not just mentions of different phrases used in the hours it would've taken for him to die
@fdg24382 ай бұрын
It's like sitting in the living room of the highest heaven and listening to a sermon of one of the great apostles of the Lord.
@paulsurbitonryan96323 ай бұрын
I think the spiritual universe is governed by laws that are irreversible. Thus sin has to be accounted for. Considering sin on the one hand and sins on the other it is clear that the former relates to the symptoms ie, stealing lying and cheating are all sins. But sin is the spiritual disease by which we are all affected and the only sure way of dealing with this was through innocent sacrifice. Is there another way of dealing with sin? Jesus was that innocent's sacrifice for all of us. It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity. I think God requires us to choose our eternal destiny. If Adam and Eve who were perfect could walk away from God and have the gates of Paradise permanently closed to them then we must be cautious about our ultimate possible decision to reject Christ. Universalism destroys too much of the fabric of scripture to the extent of having to rewrite all of it in order to make universalist sense.
@bradymayo13063 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@peterandjoycevanbreemen6003 ай бұрын
Cool.
@gilgamesh28323 ай бұрын
Not nearly as many Christians believe the idea as much as they say they do? True, it's more likely there are more Christians who use the idea to feed the unconscious lizard brain of being on the right side of the competition.
@1otterclan3 ай бұрын
Amen
@theguyver49343 ай бұрын
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@ChristisLordandKing3 ай бұрын
Matthew 7:15-27. Dr Hart is a false teacher; all who follow him are building their house upon sand.
@bltwegmann84313 ай бұрын
If believing in fairies makes him feel better then I have no issue with that.
@bman52572 ай бұрын
If disbelieving in fairies makes you feel better then I also have no issue with that. 😉
@LarryLarpwell3 ай бұрын
when God visited me, I saw nothing, my body wilted and melted from inside, he said very few words, my ways are higher than your ways, you are mine now and I will never leave you
@nyworker3 ай бұрын
Ask the average Christian layman if they are aware of the philosophical canon of Aristotle, Plato etc that existed in the Western World and created the tradition of the church. However without this knowledge the stories of salvation take root in the believers, especially Protestant Fundamentalists. It is about the power of human language and storytelling that transforms the brain and human mind of believers.
@nyworker3 ай бұрын
Aaaaaaah...the mysteries of the human neocortex....We are actually very evolved to accept storytelling which is the basis for every cultural and religious tradition. We can argue that science itself is a more advanced genre of storytelling.
@libatonvhs3 ай бұрын
Very good point, God is both omnipotent and omnibenevolent. We can't deny Him neither the former (like open theists do) nor the latter (like Augustinians).
@10.6.12.4 ай бұрын
Capitalism penchant to make money the ultimate goal,spawns the need to be envied .
@stevewithers35324 ай бұрын
Hart uses the term “clearly” and his assessment is anything but. What is very clear is that Paul is addressing an unconditional election. The entire narrative of Jacob and Esau concerns the election of one and the rejection of the other. Twins, same parents, not born to do anything good or bad. I just don’t think it’s possible to create a clearer example of divine election. The illustration of the potter and clay reinforces his point. Even Paul’s hypothetical questioner’s objection buttresses the point that God possesses aseity and answers to no one. There is a sharp rebuke for even asking the question. How any thinking person can read these passages and conclude that Paul is communicating something other than God making a sovereign choice between sinners is incomprehensible. For goodness sake, he named the one he chose Jacob, which means “deceiver”. Paul says that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart. Here’s the bottom line with this unbiblical heresy. Hart, and all universalists, do not think they deserves wrath. No condemnation, no hell. Poof, it all disappears. This is what self-righteousness looks like and God says he hates it. There is no humility in it. They believe that the god of their imaginations will be the god that judges them. They believe they will be judged by a god who is an improved version of themselves.
@jps01174 ай бұрын
The future is Islam.
@thecarlitosshow76874 ай бұрын
“You have to be sane to make free choices.” This is true. The cure to Alcoholism is like this…
@williamfranz98724 ай бұрын
The problem is rationality. The " choice" itself , made knowingly and voluntarily. HOW COULD IT EVER BE RATIONAL? There seems a necessary diminished capacity of reason.
@quakers2004 ай бұрын
The point should be don't take them either way. Jesus said why call me good, there is no one good but God. Now if it was anyone but Jesus saying it we could all agree that he would be saying don't call me good because I am not God. But since it is Jesus saying it there must be some hidden meaning because Jesus is God. Even though the speaker said good teacher out of respect he knew somehow that Jesus was God. Who thinks like that besides apologists. The genealogy one of the genealogies said his ancestors were in groups of fourteen but when you count them they don't add up. So now what to do? It must be allegorical, or perhaps some names are missing. So now we don't know what we thought we knew. If there were three groups of fourteen there would have been no question that it meant what it said but now who knows. Then there is the problem that Joseph is not biologically related so how does that work and there is another list nearly all different names also said to be his ancestry. So now we don't know anything and it is a free for all as to what if anything it means. I used to hope against hope that one person, one group with authority would make something like the red letter bible but for allegorical stories. Plenty have tried but they all fail as truth gives way to opinion. The Jesus seminar made the most careful study, just on the words of Jesus first looking for the most clear and the ones known to be from scribes and that hardly got off the ground because of idiots that think the church fathers in the first and second century knew better than all the great work since then, new documents, precision dating and most important language. All of that goes out the window because the bible is without error and everything in it is true . The church of course found hundreds of heretical teachings from the very people the church put in place. Some repented. Some were tortured and repented some tortured and burned at the stake. There were 40 antipopes back then and when protestants came along ... Probably more protestants were killed by the church including unspeakable torture than the Romans ever did. All this carnage, pitched battles all over Europe because people could not settle on a single understanding of the word of God, the God that is not the author of confusion.
@tonyoliver27504 ай бұрын
I can't argue with that.
@theguyver49344 ай бұрын
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@dubbelkastrull5 ай бұрын
I wonder what Hart thinks about Akrasia
@LyovaCampos5 ай бұрын
☦david bentley hart: "the Bible cannot be read literally because I am a wicked arrogant Origenist heretic & biggest blasphemer of our time, who hijacked eastern Orthodox identity & wants to drag innocent souls with me to the everlasting fire of Sheol for all eternity."
@Joeonline265 ай бұрын
you know who else was 'hostile' to universalism? The 5th ecumencial council. Despite what univeralists might say, it WAS condemned
@jonarmao35595 ай бұрын
But Hart has no answer to the question of existence. He just,spits dense platitudes.
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns4 ай бұрын
Not correct. Have you actually read his book on the topic?
@user-cz8gi2om3n5 ай бұрын
Paul does talk about eternal separation from God in 2 Thessalonians 1:9
@joshbanker87435 ай бұрын
This is correct. There is no such thing as free will. There is no other will than Christ's will. The divine will. Anything else is a distortion.
@aisthpaoitht6 ай бұрын
This severely underestimates human PRIDE. Pride will cause us to choose BAD things out of SPITE.
@user-fc2zb9po8t5 ай бұрын
If you’re that prideful to choose eternal torment over bliss then you’re simply not sane. It’s a moot point
@thecarlitosshow76874 ай бұрын
@@user-fc2zb9po8tsore losers, resentful, self loathing people choose Eternal Torment to condemn others and feel morally superior.