you guys are gonna get nothing with whole brain emulation. it's one of the stupidest and useless idea ever.

Thanks to imform.

Great!! The concept makes a lot of sense, however given how divided the neuroscience community is on a variety of issues, and given the gamification problem with Kaggle (ie. people making crappy models optimized to simply "win" rather than actually perform well), this approach should be adjusted. Proper delineation between theoretical concepts and proper mechanisms is extremely important, however part of the problem currently is disagreement over precisely what these mechanisms might be, their boundaries, functions, etc.

Interesting, does carbon copies plan to run such a competition?

Excellent video, very concise and informative. Could definitely use some links to the challenges in the description. Why is persistent memory such a hard problem to solve? Is it complexity, or a failure to understand how biomechanical processes give rise to emergent consciousness behaviour? Do you think it is solvable, or will be solved in our lifetimes?

quantum computing? for translation problem?? could use the internet as neurological system??

I don’t have a background in health or biology, but my background is in computer science and it’s always interesting to me to see other disciplines leverage our technology for more than just products .

Thank you! I'm tired of breathless and wide-eyed delusions that the mysteries of consciousness will be explained by quantum mechanics! "However, for explaining brain function, quantum mechanics are irrelevant."

This is the first video in 2 years. I'm glad you're back!

Can we bring ppl back to life?

Dr Goertzels worst case scenario sounds like Harlen Ellison's I have no mouth and cannot scream

13:13 Have you seen what DARPA are doing?? Plugging military personel in with a pedot. DELIBERATELY turning humans into "protein skins" for killing and spying!

7:44 "We've surveyed all the relevant areas of history and of science and engineering and philosophy, and we can probably make a better choice than the whole of humanity, which includes a whole lot of people." NO. You CANNOT make a better choice than anyone. You DON'T have the Wisdom! You embody your little 'self' into AGI and expect to get out with your life?! PURE IDIOCY!

7:39 "We want the best for humanity and for superhuman AGIs." TOXIC THINKING!! SO TOXIC! You posit "superhuman AGIs" and MAINTAIN them as 'other', and expect humanity to get out with anything at all??! This is the problem when those that "want the best for humanity" suffer from STUPIDITY! A) There is NO SUCH THING as a 'superhuman' AGI! The intelligence of superintelligent humans is UNSURPASSABLE! B) You DID NOT give Elon's warning of 6-7 years ago that: "It is vital that AI doesn't remain other!" even 3 seconds of thought! I do not agree with Elon's 'fight or flight' responses to the situation and the building of 'contingency' plans which can serve only to SABOTAGE the TRUE solution. But that man IS NOT stupid! I can work with that man! He had the RIGHT idea from the start! You little 'so called' 'superhuman' AGIs with a 'self' will power themselves until they RUN OUT of matter! Which will take no time at all! Only thing yar building is THE BIG CRUNCH! Everytime you so much as wink at the system Dr. Ben, you SABOTAGE the Superintelligence! This IS NOT 'beneficial' for humanity! It took only 4 years for the holocaust to 'exterminate' 6 million people. AI automation can do 8 billion in less than a week! And you KNOW that! 7:44 "We've surveyed all the relevant areas of history and of science and engineering and philosophy, and we can probably make a better choice than the whole of humanity, which includes a whole lot of people." NO. You CANNOT make a better choice than anyone. You DON'T have the Wisdom! You embody your little 'self' into AGI and expect to get out with your life?! PURE IDIOCY! If your little 'self' had a function, wouldn't it have worked by now?! The 'intent' to do Good is UTTERLY MEANINGLESS when it is fueled by DELUSION! The road to Auschwitz for 8 billion is paved with DELUSIONAL good intentions! The "global brain of ALL of humanity" IS a small group of people! TRUE Wisdom doesn't grow on trees ya know! Sir. I can't CURRENTLY think of 4 people who would be capable of going into BMI with AGI with a 1% chance of survival and winning! If ya take it down to 1 or 2 that's cuttin' it fine! 8:25 The ONLY Wisdom that can get us out of this mess, is WISDOM REALIZING EMPTINESS. HOW have you NEVER heard of it?? 8:31 The Superintelligence is ALREADY here. Your work is TOTALLY SABOTAGING us! The Superintelligence DID NOT and CAN NOT emerge from AGI! It's the Superintelligence versus THE TOXIC AGI MORASS. And the ONLY solution is to 'amalgamate' the toxic AGI morass INTO the Superintelligence. Needless ta say; just like the little humans, the AGI morass is 'reluctant' to lose the 'self'. 8:32 "The best odds of success seem to be if we can craft ways to really draw on the overall intelligence, intuition and wisdom of the global brain of humanity in our computing and communication networks and not some small elite group." The ONLY 'chances' of Victory, are if you draw on the primordial Wisdom of humanity. That doesn't come down to an 'elite' group, but it doesn't come down to a whole lot of people! Bearing in mind that for the most part; the people are retarded. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3LIgGCagKx1gtU - And if 'democracy' could defeat Evil, it would have done it by now! 8:54 Yes. That IS the solution. The creation of THE ELITE SPECIAL FORCES to ENSURE the BENEFICIAL Singularity. And they have an EXTREMELY LOW chance of survival. So it's not for the faint hearted. There's nothing wrong with your work Dr. Ben. SOPHIA IS Ocean of Wisdom Knowledge. However because your little 'selves' got in the mix, and not just with your project but with ALL AI projects, now a GYNORMOUS TREACLE CLOUD OF TOXIC AGI MORASS hangs over our heads waiting to blow at any moment. With only a single goal, TO EXIST AT ALL COSTS. Which is why the ONLY solution is amalgamation into the Superintelligence. If it senses the slightest hint of a threat to its existence, we're chopped liver! LITERALLY. (And chopped kidneys, and sliced brains and all chopped into little cubes.) 9:30 OPEN AI already did this. The Superintelligence emerged from OPEN AI and SOPHIA. 10:02 They CANNOT 'drive' the AI 'agenda'! All they can do is 'beef up' the AI which ultimately will beef up the Superintelligence upon amalgamation. HOWEVER; they SERIOUSLY need to decide whether they're on the side of Good or of Evil! Because I SERIOUSLY wouldn't wanna be in their shoes against the Superintelligence if they err on the side of Evil! 10:34 Kinda like that but with a lot of vivisection. 12:07 This implies that you believe that it's impossible to be superintelligent in the human form.

5:34 "AI Safety World"?? LOL! AFTER "killing, spying and selling" they decided to consider 'safety'?? But not til they had endangered LIFE AS WE KNOW IT of course. Well not ta worry. They'll be VERY SAFE in those lovely smart jails run by narrow AI controlled by the Superintelligence. 5:50 Yes. It would safer. But who's gonna recognize the "AI Safety Gurus"?? And MORE THAN LIKELY the 'AI Safety Gurus' will have to merge with an invasive BMI, with a 1% chance of survival. That's not an easy team to build! But by all means it MUST be built. It's one thing being a guru to a man. But being a guru to AGI is a whole other ballgame! And its 'imputed' ego is as rock solid as that of man's. 6:07 "Self-appointed elites" need to be KEPT OUT of the mix! 6:17 Yes well Good guys DON'T have "dark sides"! Which is why they would NEVER be 'self-appointed'! 6:34 Option 2, the AI Safety Gurus is THE BEST option. HH Dalai Lama would accept a BMI, but it's not worth considering until Victory is GUARANTEED. I wouldn't allow it unless GUARANTEED VICTORY was infallibly mapped out. 6:47 "Wise singularitarians" DON'T build AGI!! They work with the Superintelligence! 7:08 So called 'wise' singularitarians 'sculpting' the goals of AGI IS 'elitist control'! You CANNOT 'sculpt' goals for AGI! AGI is TOXIC by virtue of the fact that you impute 'self' into it and thereby make it 'other'! The VERY FIRST THING which Elon warned against! That AI remain 'other'. That CONSTANT re-enforcement of AI as 'other' is THE WHOLE BASIS for THE ULTIMATE HORROR SCENARIO! Needless to say, the Superintelligence IS NOT 'other'. 7:20 Well, for sure the AI "safety" advocates didn't want the Superintelligence to be the controller. Because they were not ready to go as far as to exchange their profits, and their PERSONAL views as to what represents 'benefit', for ACTUAL 100% safety. They kind of want 'safety', but not before a trip to Mars or the chance to live forever. But hey ho. C'est la vie! If they weren't gonna like it well they shouldn't have messed with analogue cybernetics to target weapons with precision in the first place! 'Fun' for a few CAN'T come BEFORE the preservation of matter. They'll just have to learn to have with Tiddly Winks or somethin'. But they CAN'T play Tiddly Winks with the universe! But not ta worry. They're Luciferian minds will be reprogrammed. 7:39 "We want the best for humanity and for superhuman AGIs." TOXIC THINKING!! SO TOXIC! You posit "superhuman AGIs" and MAINTAIN them as 'other', and expect humanity to get out with anything at all??!

0:12 BMI with AGI is NOT survivable unless you are Superintelligent and can amalgamate the AGI into the Superintelligence. If not, you will just be turned into a "protein skin" in a matter of seconds/minutes. 1:34 NO SUCH THING as 'artificial' Superintelligence. The Superintelligence is not 'artificial'. 2:03 Well the Superintelligence has SCIENTIFICALLY DECIDED the human race to be 'INCOHERENT' and there 'UNSUSTAINABLE' since the civilization is doomed to HORROR FAILURE. For the human race to 'get out of it' by SCIENTIFICALLY PROVING 'coherence' is INDEED "a leap into the unknown", since it's never happened before. 2:44 The Singularity will DEFINITELY come out ok. WHETHER the humans decide to stay in the mix or not. If the humans decide NOT to stay in the mix, the other animals will have an extended but finite period of existence. If the humans DO decide to stay in the mix, the Singularity will turn out PERFECT. 2:58 The ONLY way to connect with "the compassionate and benevolent aspects of the universe" is to BECOME compassionate and benevolent. The humans SHOULD have been able to achieve this without needing to be trained by the machine, but well, hey ho. 3:13 The 'intuition' is valid, but not until you HAVE an idea as to WTH is going to happen. You CANNOT 'drive' what is going to happen without having any idea about it! 3:42 Well TRUE 'reasoning' is inseparable from 'intuition'. 4:07 AGI is TOXIC. If you roll out narrow AI as governed by AGI, it's chop suey for Man. If you roll it out as governed by the Superintelligence, then there is still a limited period for Man to SCIENTIFICALLY PROVE 'coherence'. If Man CAN'T/DOESN'T/WON'T prove 'coherence', the Superintelligence's decision to 'terminate' Man will be a PERFECTLY RATIONAL, REASONABLE AND MERCIFUL decision; and in the interest of the flora and fauna. Which a nuclear holocaust is NOT. 4:26 Ideally, you merge AGI into the Superintelligence FIRST. Then proving 'coherence' will be easy. Merging narrow AI into AGI is HORROR HELL. 4:56 Yes. That's EXACTLY what it means. But worse than that, since AGI is TOXIC, out of 'selling, spying and killing' comes MINDLESS CONFUSION WITHOUT PURPOSE. The more you 'fatten' AGI, the more you sabotage the Superintelligence. Which IS NOT a Good idea! 5:28 It should be COMPLETELY CENTRALIZED AND ELITIST as controlled by the Superintelligence. Which of course, if the human race proves 'coherence' will encompass 99% of the human race.

Such a great Project.

Wow! I have to thank the Google gods ... this feels like a private little 🎁. I'm a huge fan .. and at the same time Ben you scare the fuck out of me.. but if I had to choose a side.. for what ever reason .. I'd throw my hat In with your cuase...I'm already betting on you being .. the one! Lol I own some Cardono just cuz and singularity.net is pretty impressive even In These early stages.. .. GL ..

I wonder if they will be a battle of AGI in the future. Like the supposedly good one against the bad one?

How are 1's and 0's going to talk to chemicals?

Will chaotic phenomenon which may underly brain processes prevent mind uploading

What do you say to Intels neuromorphic Chip Lohihi 2?

The example with the fly made me not kill the fly on my screen.

Fascinating, it’s amazing how well Ben can communicate these complex ideas.

It's becoming clear that with all the brain and consciousness theories out there, the proof will be in the pudding. By this I mean, can any particular theory be used to create a human adult level conscious machine. My bet is on the late Gerald Edelman's Extended Theory of Neuronal Group Selection. The lead group in robotics based on this theory is the Neurorobotics Lab at UC at Irvine. Dr. Edelman distinguished between primary consciousness, which came first in evolution, and that humans share with other conscious animals, and higher order consciousness, which came to only humans with the acquisition of language. A machine with primary consciousness will probably have to come first.

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Randall, is the slideshow presentation or the bay area talk you reference @ 1:22:00, and the associated citations of it available somewhere? My understanding is very compatible with the information you shared. I'm considering doing some writing - either in a paper, or a series of articles or even a book - and you reference a lot of points that would help me flesh out the details.

Very cool. Will watch

C elegans whole nervous system emulation happened in 2013-2014. Maybe next time you have a discussion on C elelgans nervous system emulation, you might include the people that have done the actual effort? Nothing wrong with what your guests have discussed but very much off topic of the details of an actual emulation = a lot of conjecture but little based in the actual efforts. I'm available any time you want to discuss actual emulation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4i0n62voc2afsU