KZbin commenters will literally do anything except watch the video: exhibit 1

@@thestealer63214 You got me 😂🔫

Well here's the problem with ultimate DPs. Most of them have just as much, if not more recovery than DPs. The ones he covered are exceptions to the rule. The main incentive for many ultimate DPs is that they beat safejabs and cause a hard knockdown, allowing for good oki. In addition to this, the two ultimate DPs in contention with each other (Soriz and Lucilius) are the only non-super reversals those characters have. Functionally, they are identical. The point of the video is that supers and reversals having weird recovery shouldn't be the case. Just because it's the status quo doesn't mean it's not stupid.

@@thestealer63214 The fact people are complaining about ultimate DPs recovering faster definitely does not mean that it has just has much recovery. Charlotta ult DP is definitely just privilege though, but like I said, we've all seen privileged characters before, and should poke fun about the overall character balance than this. The Soriz/Lucilius comparison can literally just be chalked up to Lucilius just having larger hitboxes, to allow the opponent to punish the damn thing at max range. That's it. Soriz has better recovery because it hits closer and he's all over your face the entire time anyways, while Lucilius is the opposite. Again, why are people confused about this. They are not identical. The fact that you are pointing them out means there are not identical. The reasoning is also pretty common sense. DPs being like this are just for extra spice, and mostly inoffensive. I can't even say to just hit the lab because you just punish it just as you always have been punishing stuff, it's just a matter of how much you can beat them up.

@@areiy6427 Ok fair enough on the Soriz/Lucilius, I didn't think about that. I still don't see where you're coming from with people complain about Ultimate DPs having less recovery with the exception of Charlotta's, because most of them have the same frame advantage on block as their meterless counterparts. Hell, Belial's H DP has the same timing quirks and frame advantage as his U DP, which was shown in this video.

@@thestealer63214 @thestealer63214 I ain't the one complaining about the DPs, he is. I find it okay this way, the DPs that is, or at least it isn't worth complaining about. They are ultimates so they have to have some spice to them (if they already have a meterless reversal) with extra utility which can be better recovery, bigger vertical range, it being a grab, or like the funky ult counter Belial has. The better oki seems to just be universal for all ult skills. Belial ult DP seems to be one to not have spice, that definitely does not make sense and I'll give him that. (Grateful as hell though we don't need this guy to be more loaded)

@@thestealer63214 I ain't the one complaining about the DPs, he is. I find it okay this way, the DPs that is, or at least it isn't worth complaining about. They are ultimates so they need to have some spice to them (if they already have a meterless reversal) with extra utility which can be better recovery, it being a grab, or like the funky ult counter Belial has. The better oki seems to just be universal for all ult skills. Belial ult seems to be one of the few (the only?) with no extra spice so that definitely does not make sense and I'll give him that for having an actual example now. Grateful as hell though we don't need that guy be more loaded than he is right now

For modern fighting games, Strive reversals only have Sin's R.T.L. and I-No's Ultimate Fortissimo as reversal knowledge checks, and the reward for punishing other reversals just depends on how close you were. SF6's true invincible reversals go from -20 -60, so I dunno what you want me to say when I have a problem that the simplified modern fighting game that's easy to learn everything about has a seemingly random number on what reversal should be more punishable? I guess I just have to go, "Oh, I guessed right by blocking their reversal, time for them to not get punished for using the move that was used with the intention of having risk reward."

@@AblazZeGuy Randomized number? Did you read what I wrote? It's called learning, try and learn from your mistakes. Anything that bothers you can be considered a knowledge check? Now we all play the same games, why do you bother to learn other characters? Those who play KOF and UNI or even Tekken, what should they say then? DNF is modern and works the way you want, play that one.

I still have no idea how to punish cag DP lol. I should probably lab that out soon.