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@japoniano
@japoniano 2 сағат бұрын
And here we are, with Duskmourn those memes are not memes anymore...
@finnmchugh99
@finnmchugh99 21 күн бұрын
From my personal experience, Red counters may be a secondary win con with burning a deck out with mills but most of the time it helps with making my opponents mill their mana rocks, counters, etc.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 20 күн бұрын
And every little point of damage and milled away card is a huge bonus. It's surprising how scary that rad burn can get, coupled with the plus ones flying onto your creatures with the added resource denial of mill. I've recently this week assembled an updated build - one of the best commanders this year.
@nerdgoodness7656
@nerdgoodness7656 23 күн бұрын
Definitely enjoyed the deck tech. Sub earned!
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 22 күн бұрын
Thank you, much appreciated.
@dj_wilson
@dj_wilson 24 күн бұрын
I’m just finding this and love that Umbris deck. Thanks so much for the deck lists! Lifelong horror fan. The art selection for these cards is next level. I’d love to get this version of the deck proxied!
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 23 күн бұрын
I'm so glad you found us! I'm still adding to this deck as new horror icons release - Adaptive Automaton recently became Megan haha. I have a few errors to fix on 4 of the cards but will happily share with you once that's done.
@dj_wilson
@dj_wilson 23 күн бұрын
@@mtgspecs I really hope she's doing her weird creepy dance!
@StanleyKuo184
@StanleyKuo184 Ай бұрын
I'd pay good money to get that custom Shirei deck with the horror theme. Great job with the look of that deck. Very sick and I love it.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
@StanleyKuo184 Thank you, that was a labour of love, and a lot of fun to put together. I still make cards for it as new films come out - planning an Art the Clown as Unstoppable Slasher from Duskmourn!
@StanleyKuo184
@StanleyKuo184 Ай бұрын
@@mtgspecs Oops.. it's actually Umbris and not Shirei. My bad.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
No worries, i knew what you meant ​@@StanleyKuo184
@dj_wilson
@dj_wilson 24 күн бұрын
@@mtgspecsoh id LOVE to see an Art the Clown deck
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 23 күн бұрын
@dj_wilson it's a shame 'Saw in Half' went to Leatherface - seems to be the most Art card for the deck!
@CvdW6536
@CvdW6536 Ай бұрын
Nice game, but i think creating the 2 tokens upon casting bats doesn't make the opponent lose 2 life. The tokens enter before the bats enter because of the 'cast/play' trigger. The bats resolve last :)
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
Yes, that is correct! Ah, I want to do more of these games. The comment has reminded me to get back on it.
@momoirox3556
@momoirox3556 Ай бұрын
oh no this is my first ever magic deck after spending the past month of magic fridays at a local game shop playing with others decks! maybe i should’ve picked something different after your intro. i just really love bunnies 😭
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
@momoirox3556 never fear! It represents a challenge for sure, but it sounds like you are surrounded by helpful players. The learning curve is more strategic than mechanical; the cards aren't difficult to understand, just don't be too focused on wins to start with. Go, enjoy those bunnies (and I'm here if you have any questions).
@momoirox3556
@momoirox3556 Ай бұрын
@@mtgspecs i am less bothered about winning and more interested in just having a fun game! people usually play with 4 at a table at the shop i go to so i can imagine this deck to produce a lot of laughs as people want my support. :) winning is fun but being in the game the longest to both form and break alliances is my favourite part so far. i’ve ordered galadriel and the jelly fish you mentioned, sargent john as well as ordering a kros def contractor. i’m hoping this will be a fun first deck that helps me learn more about the game with the more people i get to play with. next i’d love to make a chatterfang or hazel deck too. my favourite deck i’ve played with is my friends saproling deck. i just love all lil guys 🥰 i’ll binging your videos to learn more for the foreseeable future! thanks for the easy to understand content. it’s great for a newbie like me 💗🐰
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
@momoirox3556 sounds like you have an excellent attitude to the game, someone I'd enjoy playing with. I'm very much an experience over the win person too. Glad you've found the content helpful, that's my main goal with the channel!
@lahojaqueflota
@lahojaqueflota Ай бұрын
Love this. I have an Atris deck I like to call “The Piles.” My friend just gifted me Toymaker. I’m glad to see many of the cards in my deck are on your list. Awesome deck, thanks for sharing.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
@@lahojaqueflota you are welcome! It's a riot to play.
@callumarcher8111
@callumarcher8111 Ай бұрын
Tangletrove Kelp! I knew I was missing something from my build. I just turned my clues into flying 4/4s with Cyberdrive Awakener, but having another way to turn Clues into creatures is what the deck needs I think.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
It's definitely a forgotten card, which makes it all the more dangerous. They never see it coming!
@Zthewise
@Zthewise Ай бұрын
I bought myself a copy recently. I am theory crafting zombie token synergy. Things like crowded crypt and ghoulish precision, so my non tokens can serve the Legion after death. Calling it Caesar's Undead Legion.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
@@Zthewise this is an amazing take with so much sac synergy. I'm tempted to do that myself. Solid idea.
@mufasafalldown8401
@mufasafalldown8401 Ай бұрын
I did a Tribal Tribal deck with Tazri, Beacon of Unity that focused moreso on dragons. It desperately needs tuned however. Hope this video helps.
@rango477
@rango477 Ай бұрын
Can you give the hexproof enchantments with those blue cards shown. Since they say target?
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
We can target them with donate as hexproof only prevents our opponents from targeting them 🎁
@Bromunculi
@Bromunculi Ай бұрын
is this precon good for complete newbies
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs Ай бұрын
It's not complicated to play and has some cool designs. Totally go for it if you or the newbie loves Dogmeat. However, my feelings are that it's not the greatest deck; I'd want a newbie to have a good experience - Dogmeat has an 'all eggs in one basket' style of gameplay due to its equipment and aura themes. A lot of game progress can be lost quite quickly as Dogmeat surviving is important to your plans. I'd recommend Caeser over it.
@orssondorfman
@orssondorfman 2 ай бұрын
Sad I couldn’t make the live, but very happy to have the recording to watch! Congrats on the new gig. Looking forward to future content! One question: is Marvo still your special ‘one and only’ or has another deck been drawing your eye lately?
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
Hello! Marvo is still my top boy, but I love all my children equally. Otherwise, they get the chop! Marina curses is very close to usurping my boy, but the shiny new Archon of Cruelty from the bundle now lives with him so he's safe while he is still getting treasures.
@The_PixelProphet
@The_PixelProphet 2 ай бұрын
Obeka with Silent arbiter is broken (Only one creature can attack each combat & only one creature can block each combat) because Obeka has menace this just makes her unbreakable. I had my engine up and running and I played Silent Arbiter and my opponent just scooped right away.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
@@The_PixelProphet this is nasty and I LOVE IT.
@FlatBoxFilm
@FlatBoxFilm 2 ай бұрын
*fangirl noises*
@Sart788
@Sart788 2 ай бұрын
I agree with you. I dont think it is a fringe view point at all. I think all cards should be given points from 0-10 add them up in your deck and decks with near the same amount of points can play each other.
@cgdavid7113
@cgdavid7113 2 ай бұрын
Issue is with cards that get really good in some instances but are just fine or even bad in others, so you can't just give a card a flat rate. Even if you could, it would be a ton of work because of the mass amount of cards you can play
@Sart788
@Sart788 2 ай бұрын
@@cgdavid7113 Naw you could easily put together a resource that people can access. And the score would reflect the potential of the card.
@Spencer4686
@Spencer4686 2 ай бұрын
Tier systems means players will most likely build the strongest deck they can to that tier. But also the tier list will no doubt be a rough guide. Fast mana/tutors will no doubt be top tier but theres a big difference between stonehewer giant and steelshapers gift both tutor equipment but for very different costs. Which means no real change and also if there valuation of brawl cards is anything to go by well 😅
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
You've hit the nail on the head there. Interested in how two cards with the same effect but drastically different routes to that effect will be placed.
@acidix983
@acidix983 2 ай бұрын
That mindskinner has definitely piqued my interest. Arabella is right up my alley, and my actual dog is named Kona so... I'm building some decks.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
@@acidix983 as am I! Marina curses is getting it's big outing this weekend and I've got several legends on my shelf ready for binder builds!
@mugiwaralee9592
@mugiwaralee9592 2 ай бұрын
For everyone here who thinks WotC will be able to better manage edh. 3 of the 4 recently banned cards that even caused this shitshow, were designed by WotC specifically for EDH. That should tell you just what you need.
@muddyboy999
@muddyboy999 2 ай бұрын
I really like the idea of the tier system, it sounds similar to Smogon tiers for Pokemon, I hope people give it a chance as I've already seen a lot of dissent around it.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
I am down for giving it a chance. I'm interested to see how it's structured; feel like my decks are such a mess usually, they defy catagorisation!
@muddyboy999
@muddyboy999 2 ай бұрын
@@mtgspecs I know from the description at least one of decks would be Tier 4 due to the tutors, which I hope doesn't mean CEDH. I'd prefer that just be separate from this being a casual categorisation. I like the idea of being able to have the conversation like, this is a tier 3 deck, however it's because X is in the deck, without that cards it's tier 1. Are we still good?
@Camp_MTG
@Camp_MTG 2 ай бұрын
"Will wizards prioritize profits over gameplay?" Oh yes. Ohhhh yes that absolutely will. And it seems they will prioritize short term profits over longterm health of the game as well imo.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
It's the tale as old as time; creative, passionate people want to continue being creative and passionate, so money becomes a necessity and the bottom line encroaches on what's healthy and what's bankable. You see it everywhere; TV shows that become more sensational, even some of my content has strayed into 'what sells' as apposed to what's authentically me. So, I get the tightrope walk. I had a chance to meet people who design for Wizards, they're good people who sometimes answer to a higher power with a radically different agenda.
@Camp_MTG
@Camp_MTG 2 ай бұрын
Oh boy. This cannot be good for the format 😑
@danieldillard9744
@danieldillard9744 2 ай бұрын
Awesome. I like Victor, but i haven't seen a deck i like, but that deck is sweet
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Much appreciated. I'm thinking of building it in paper - he's a really interesting legend.
@WarrickRanger
@WarrickRanger 2 ай бұрын
All they need to do is sell products that are aimed at the "tiers" they defined, priced appropriately, and they win. They could make a "low power" precon line akin to the 2021 Starter decks at $20 for an entry level product. Then they can make a "high power" precon line for $200 and reprint all the Docksides and Rhystic Studies and One Rings that they want. The secondary market doesn't and shouldn't concern them.
@mymarshlands
@mymarshlands 2 ай бұрын
honestly i play really budget and never saw any of the banned cards, but i think the bans are a very good thing from all the content i watch, the cards were all very negative, even when serving as crutches for "meme" decks. it seems like the reception for the banlist was mostly positive too, but there was a loud minority going ham abt it. i think the people who lost several hundred dollars were prolly buying cards as investment and they can take the loss, thats part of investing lol i also wonder how much of this was planned, it might feel a bit like a conspiracy but i think this was in discussion maybe even before Sheldon passed away. I dont mean this negatively i just mean the RC handing the curating of commander to wotc might have been coming for longer than we think. idk and lastly i absolutely 100% doubt that the power brackets thing WOTC is proposing as a guideline for rule 0 conversation will work. all decks are a 7 and basing them on which cards the card has only really works as a point system like how the canadian highlander format does it i guess... but also then you expect everyone to register their decklists online on some online tool that will spit out how many points their deck is worth, or smth....?
@pamelaory
@pamelaory 2 ай бұрын
Hello! I know you don’t recommend this deck for beginners but my son (who is 28) suggested this deck as a personality fit for me. I’m new to this but played extensive D&D back in the day. I’d like to use your suggested upgrades but don’t see a place to easily buy an upgrade pack, or see a list of the suggested upgrade(swap outs)? Maybe I’m missing it? I already have the base deck purchased. Any guidance you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
Hey, happy to lend a hand - the swaps are the sideboard in the deck list. You'd need to purchase singles for the upgrades. It's a great deck, I really enjoy playing it!
@bojangles3312
@bojangles3312 2 ай бұрын
Hey, dude. Love your content. I went to go click on that Valgavoth devotion deck and that link doesn't work. Seems to no longer be listed on your Archidekt page either?
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! The deck was still set to private but is now public. Enjoy!
@bojangles3312
@bojangles3312 2 ай бұрын
@@mtgspecs Thanks, Lee. You're awesome
@hillnotting
@hillnotting 3 ай бұрын
The best strategy is probably +1/+1 counters. It only modifies P/T while base power still stays 2/2. So a creature with base 2/2 and 4 +1/+1 counters on it would still get the +3/+3 buff when it attacks. This helps immensely with the fact that we are only(or for the majority) running 2/2s. If Duskana is not around your strategy would fall apart. But by running a 1/1 counter strategy, your messily base 2/2s can still pack a punch without Duskana being around, adding more survivability overal!
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
@@hillnotting Sovereign Okinec would destroy with this strategy. Good shout.
@jaceg810
@jaceg810 3 ай бұрын
Don't give extra mulligans, It just promotes greedier deckbuilding, for example, some of my decks need to balance having few land, since they have a lot of draw, and thus more lands muck up the late game, with having more lands, since you need to cast spells. Since you get one free mulligan even before we hand out extra's from it being a multiplayer game, It is mathematically correct to put in less land intentionally (assuming you get the draw engine online consistently and early, for example, a commander like sram). After all, if you hand out a free resource, would be a shame if it went unused.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
That's very much my feeling. It really impacts deck building choices and weakens that part of the game, knocking onto being able to make choices between different cards when you can just use both. I went to play this week and took one mulligan game one and had a 'god' hand first seven in the second.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
I lost both games ha
@jamesfrancis7407
@jamesfrancis7407 3 ай бұрын
I liked and a subscribed. I hope that meant the world to you.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
It did. Many thanks!
@zackfro
@zackfro 3 ай бұрын
Love the idea that unlimited mulligans leads to lazy deck building. 100% agree here.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
Just too easy to skimp on lands!
@kiddoisagreatlittlegame863
@kiddoisagreatlittlegame863 3 ай бұрын
Im glad someone thought os this before me, Ive been leaning into artifact creatures with the cyberman squadren and a lot of modulers, havnt tried it yet though
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
@@kiddoisagreatlittlegame863 cyberman squadron is ace. It keeps finding its way into various decks.
@thomaspetrucka9173
@thomaspetrucka9173 3 ай бұрын
I kind of agree with you here. One of my favorite games to date came from keeping a 6-land hand after three hands with 0--just because I didn't want to hold up the table any longer. (And it was a lands deck, too. 39 including mdfc's. I am responsible I swear.) I was mana-flooded the whole game, but that meant I was able to cast a lucky game-winning bolt bend. It was an epic rags to riches panic that lasted a full hour, and I loved it! I will say, a lot of the cards you mentioned are inherently swingy--even if they're used to prop up the jankiest of jank decks. I don't run sol ring in any of my casual decks for that very reason.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
I love this comment. Wrapped up in my video is really a message about the player and their deck and not cheating their experience. I'm currently on a train heading to game knight and I'm going to take one mulligan as per the rules and see where it take me. And yes, some of my card choices bordered on hyperbolic but what's a little hyperbole between players? Ha. Also, Sol Ring is in less and less of my decks, there's so much more interesting things to play. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
@fencingfireferret1188
@fencingfireferret1188 3 ай бұрын
MTGO's rules for commander is the one I'll champion. Just one free full. If you're cheap on your manabase you should take a neg
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
That's the rule I'm playing tonight. Going to document my hands and see where this thinking takes me.
@shadowofseattle1338
@shadowofseattle1338 3 ай бұрын
What's ruining commander is the fact that power creep has become a power sprint Duskmourn and bloomburrow make mtg run like yugioh
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
There is certainly a lot of ways to cheat high mana value stuff into play this set - it's the theme of three of the four precon commanders this time around.
@paulbuckley2301
@paulbuckley2301 3 ай бұрын
I don't think it's casual mulliganing that is the problem, it's playing with untrustworthy players. Our gamestore is generally just grab the next seven until it's playable, just don't abuse it. That means don't take a hand that is four lands, Sol Ring, Arcane Signet, and Sensei's Divining Top. I can not speak for all my friends, but I would absolutely laugh as I pass that perfect hand away. I legitimately trust most of them to not take that hand either.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
@@paulbuckley2301 what about just mulling into Sol Ring with other random cards? Does that get shuffled in/mulled away also? Such a triggering opening play for many.
@paulbuckley2301
@paulbuckley2301 3 ай бұрын
Again, can't speak for my friends, as this much detail about our mulligans is not fleshed out, but I wouldn't take a Sol Ring mulligan either. Honestly, I can't remember if I ever have. Command Zone did a show recently about their behind the scenes stuff, and that was a specific rule they have.
@manasplainingmtg
@manasplainingmtg 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video! As a pod who are guilty of casual mulligans, it's definitely given me some food for thought 💭
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
And I love that. Food for thought is part of the menu at MTGSpecs! I'm also learning a lot from the comments and different players experiences so this has been a useful process for me.
@minervadetauro7646
@minervadetauro7646 3 ай бұрын
The last playgroup I was in had the 7-7-6-6-5-5... rule (putting one back for each two mulligans instead of for each one) and it has worked pretty well
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
Definitely something I want to try out.
@TheMaskedNinja_
@TheMaskedNinja_ 3 ай бұрын
I just never mulligan, I roll with what I have
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
What is the reason you go with your first seven?
@TheMaskedNinja_
@TheMaskedNinja_ 3 ай бұрын
@@mtgspecs mostly time, but also it makes winning feel just a tad cooler
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
@@TheMaskedNinja_ THIS. Mulligans can lead to internal and external dispute about where the win came from.
@wesleyfeickert9623
@wesleyfeickert9623 3 ай бұрын
Personally just mulligan till it’s playable. Perfect hands are stupid.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
How many mulligans are too many do you think?
@elmaster65
@elmaster65 3 ай бұрын
This is just a copout for bad deck building. Nothing to do with sol ring, leylines, or anything. When you start giving out free mulligans, yeah, the dude with 20 lands in his deck will just show you every hand with 0 lands and go 'man im so unlucky, good thing for the free mulligans'. And that's why there exists a rule, a special rule for commander even, for mulligans.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
This is how I am feeling about it too - I wonder how much impact knowing I can look at 3 or 4 hands has on whether I shave those few lands from my deck for something else.
@rem1291
@rem1291 3 ай бұрын
I feel like this is a case of the player rather than the rule. There are some that will abuse any opportunity given to them but just as it's important to see how a bad hand feels, you need a few good/playable ones too to see if your payoffs are in the right direction or enough for the deck. True friends/those who care about their decks and the game will mulligan until they have a 2-3 land hand to keep most of the time rather then going 5-8 deep for the perfect opener like that where you can play 4+ cards on turn 1
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. And, working through this process has opened up a can of worms mentally for me, now I'm seeing so much variance in four player's unique approaches to the game that isn't tempered by consistent rules. Or consistent budgets. Or consistent power levels. So much is on the players to construct an environment to support the success of the game and that feels very unique to games in general.
@PressXtoDoubt
@PressXtoDoubt 3 ай бұрын
No, Rule 0 is ruining the LGS experience. It's entirely based on the perceptions, interpretations, honesty and communications skills of 3 other people which is inherently non reliable.
@paulbuckley2301
@paulbuckley2301 3 ай бұрын
I don't think Rule Zero is your problem here, as its purpose is simply to open a line of dialogue between players before the game starts. THAT, by itself, can not ruin anything. A vague power level system is more the problem, where everyone claims their deck is a "seven." Also, expectations about the exact definition of "Casual" Commander as opposed to Competitive vary from person to person. Rule Zero, when used properly, will only help to bring these problems more into focus so deck selections can be matched up better before the Breya Combo player stomps a table of casuals.
@PressXtoDoubt
@PressXtoDoubt 3 ай бұрын
@@paulbuckley2301 your first point is automatically mute when you than later talk about how the expectations of casual varies from person to person. Two people can speak entirely truthful and honest statements and there could still be a gap in honest communication. Rule 0 relies heavily on the communication skills, honesty, and understanding of all players involved. Rule 0 was originally intended to only be a conversation to INCLUDE cards not exclude or pseudo ban cards. A legitimate ban list would help bring the format back to this original line of thinking. Everyone thinking they're deck is a 7 is the exact reason why rule 0 is a horrible practice and there should just be an all out ban on all mana positive mana rocks and all tutors that are highly specific. Also all reserved list cards although that's not really about power level more about future playability. Your statement after "Rule 0, when used properly" is entirely pointless because again. This is under the assumption that everyone in your pod has absolute clear, honest and perfect communication. Which when playing with new people at my LGS automatically means rule 0 is out the window.
@paulbuckley2301
@paulbuckley2301 3 ай бұрын
Okay, so no more Rule Zero. People are no longer allowed to talk before they play. Problem solved?
@PressXtoDoubt
@PressXtoDoubt 3 ай бұрын
@@paulbuckley2301 no actually ban OP cards to make rule 0 pointless. Literally no one would miss mana positive mana rocks and highly general tutors that get your wombo combo turn 3. There is literally 0 reasons why in a casual format you can play cards over 100$. This would also mean Rule 0 would go back to the way it was intended meaning to only INCLUDE not EXCLUDE. If my deck gets rule 0'd at the LGS I can pull a whole other deck out of thin air. But if something is banned and you wanna play with it you are probably wise enough to have another deck with you because you know.... It's banned. The only people that would complain are the scalpers that invest their 401K in cardboard.
@PressXtoDoubt
@PressXtoDoubt 2 ай бұрын
@@paulbuckley2301 HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAGHAGAGHAHAGGAGAGAGGAGAGGAGAGAHAHAH
@Paragonofcynicism
@Paragonofcynicism 3 ай бұрын
Generally, my friend group allows for mulligans as long as it's reasonably aggreeable that your hand was just unplayable. Like if you draw 6 or 7 land and an expensive card that doesn't do much or you draw no land or 1 land with no card draw or cheap(below 4 mana) cards to play generally we all agree that that is an 'unplayable hand' and allow for a mulligan. I especially appreciate this rule as i am notoriously unlucky and will often draw dead hands over and over again no matter whose deck i play. I think my record for zero land hands in a row is a modest three but given the deck wasn't particularly low on mana that is still impressive I often will keep hands with only 2 lands or with 5 lands and sub-optimal cards just because i recognize that the point of mulligan friendly rules is to give you a fighting chance, it's not to give you a great hand. Ultimately, most commander games we play go very long and we don't want someone sitting there not playing the game. I don't think we've had an issue of people stacking their hands yet and if we play with strangers at the game shop we would ask about their mulligan preferences.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
It is all about trust. I like the distinction between a fighting chance and a 'god' hand. Sounds like a healthy playgroup.
@realistwan
@realistwan 3 ай бұрын
My playgroup allows 1 free mulligan then go down each time but no lower than 5. However, if you have a no land hand you can reveal it to the table and get an extra free Mulligan.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
I love that you've co constructed this rule to safeguard everyone's experience. Kinda crazy the game doesn't support this with official rules.
@DavidGreeneMtgJudge
@DavidGreeneMtgJudge 3 ай бұрын
My playgroups have experimented with two alternative mulligan rules. The first is the same as the London, except you don't shuffle the mulled hands back in until you keep a hand. This saves on time shuffling and puts a risk that you know specific cards won't be able to be drawn in subsequent hands. The second option we've tried is to draw three opening hands (7, 7, 7) and pick one from the three to keep. Shuffle the others away and take no further mulligans.
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
Interesting! I like that you are acknowledging how important the starting hand is and working together to co-construct a mulligan system that works for you all. Do you find that this impacts on how you build decks?
@DavidGreeneMtgJudge
@DavidGreeneMtgJudge 3 ай бұрын
​@@mtgspecs I would say this has zero impact on how we build decks, but I can only confidently speak for myself. It's more about ensuring we all have playable hands without abusing mulligans and expediting the mulligan process to save time.
@fencingfireferret1188
@fencingfireferret1188 3 ай бұрын
It's a hit ironic, but that three opener strat is actually how magic arena does best-of-1 but the game chooses your starting hand silently
@DavidGreeneMtgJudge
@DavidGreeneMtgJudge 3 ай бұрын
@@fencingfireferret1188 I've actually never played on arena and didn't know this. That probably explains where it came from, thanks!
@loganshields2739
@loganshields2739 3 ай бұрын
I like using a rule where when you take your free mull using the London system you can show your hand. if its deemed by the other players to be unplayable (or at least nobody says anything against it) you get an additional mull. it functions like the "just mull till playable" but can be used with strangers you cannot trust to be honest with their mulls. it also means if someone wants to be risky and mull a hand that would be playable then they can but would have to face the risks of doing that with no casual rule.
@JoshBeatty6
@JoshBeatty6 3 ай бұрын
This forgives not playing enough lands though, they probably didn't draw a playable hand because they probably didn't build a deck that gives a playable hand often enough. You get a free one already, and in a casual edh game going down to six is really not that bad, past that I get ready to forgive people and let them stay at 6 because I still want everyone to play magic.
@fenixiliusstrife1253
@fenixiliusstrife1253 3 ай бұрын
@@JoshBeatty6 Exact same thing happened when we tried it in 60 cards, just drop 10% of the lands and benefit greatly from the change.
@pedromadeira9568
@pedromadeira9568 3 ай бұрын
normally we have a free first mulligan and after that we lose a card for each subsequent. if someone doesen´t get a good hand he can go for one last mulligan goin back to 7 cards but he has to show everyone what he has
@fenixiliusstrife1253
@fenixiliusstrife1253 3 ай бұрын
We did that in 60 card play, and it was terrible. Everyone just started putting less lands in because a no land hand = bad. So now when you should be running 21 lands, well why not run 18, have less chance to get too much, and be reward when you get none more often. These are the type of changes to decks this can have.
@poiklpoiuy1
@poiklpoiuy1 3 ай бұрын
The rules my friends and i go with is keep 7 forever but after your second mul if you want to keep sol ring or anything of the like you have to mul down to what number mul youre at or bottom the super fast mana and draw a new one
@mtgspecs
@mtgspecs 3 ай бұрын
Is that just fast mana or would something like a leyline factor bottoming a spell and drawing a new one? That's such an interesting way of mulliganing.