I noted to Octopus Energy that their Dynamic Charing (Smart Charging) has a brilliant feature which allows THEM to select your charge time and even if it is in peak hours you only get charged the 7p night rate...’ Brilliant!!’ I hear you say... But I also noted a really really big problem…. IF YU HAVE BATTERIES ON YOUR PV SYSTEM YOU NEED TO KOW THIS. OCTOPUS IS NOT TELLING YOU THIS AND THEY SHOULD! If you have a PV system (as many do) with battery storage and the Dynamic Octopus decides to charge in daytime (which it often does)... It charges from YOUR BATTERIES and not their grid... So all the 7p per KWH you saved up for the washer, cooking etc is used up in the daytime charging.... for their benefit not of yours, but for Octopus optimal buying. This feature also stops you charging batteries during off peak and selling back to the grid at peak… something lots of us do. It also helps balance the grid. Here is a solution you do not listen to. Allow people to opt out off peak time and do your dynamic management within the 6 hours off peak period. Telling me to sign up to a costlier product is not the answer. On the written advice of another Octopus rep I have detached my device…. Thus I can manually charge at night. If Octopus can make the dynamic system drain the grid in the daytime and not my batteries I would not even need a smart turn off button…. Nor would anyone else. Octopus get a lot of things right,, their biggest failing is recognising when they get something wrong

I am standard octopus

Slightly strange question, are you on co charger?

Hi KC, how are you and how is the MG holding up? I was hoping you could give us some info. Mine is 3yrs old 47k and at service last week ,MG garage said my car HV battery SOH was 91%.

Some very interesting points here. The opening section is particularly good, explaining about the grid and producer level charges when there is too much wind or other renewable energy available. We have tried to get on to Octopus Intelligent Go, but failed. Trying to get one of the cars to charge - with the test charge - wasted a day. The car - a Tesla M3 - should be compatible. The charger works, but is not curently on the Octopus list of "approved" chargers. We know that the BP Pulse charger can send and receive information from data centres, as there was an issue with the first model we had, but the BP service team knew the details of the charge by examining it remotely. It is not clear how Octopus is going to communicate with either the chargers or the cars. Is that by broadband internet, mobile internet or some other way? We live in an area with poor mobile internet and phone connections, though the broadband connection into the house is good. Internet connection inside the house is not always good, as the WiFi signals do not always cover the whole house well. We have ways of improving internal connectivity, for example using additional links with Powerline connections to an additional WAP situated in regions which are badly covered. Wireless extenders work relatively poorly in comparison to the mains wired links. The charging point is not situated in a good location for unboosted WiFi - though with a suitable bit of extra internal infrastructure this can be overcome. One possible problem with this is that this may make our home network vulnerable to attack - but I won't specify how. Finally though, as we don't need gas for any appliances, we are switching to Tomato, which appears to offer tariffs which are compatible, and very similar to tariffs we had before which worked well for us. The Tomato Lifestyle tariff probably won't suit everyone, as it depends on how much electricity is needed, and when it is needed - points which you raise in your video. Other factors to consider are whether users also have solar panels and/or batteries. Solar panels can make a significant difference to electricity consumption from the grid - somewhat surprisingly even in the winter. Batteries may - or may not - help. We would like batteries to reduce the effects of power cuts, but only a few battery types offer that in the UK, as they have to be switched into an isolation mode if there is a power outage, to ensure the safety of workers on the power feeds. Not all companies offer sensible tariffs which work with solar and batteries - and there may be a lot of variation. Some users like to rely on payment from Feed in tariffs to offset usage charges, but how they work may vary from company to company. We also have an air source heat pump [ASHP] and underfloor heating. These are potentially a good thing from the point of view of overall energy consumption, though a few words of warning: "Heat pump ratings in kW are output ratings, not input ratings. So a gas or oil boiler rated at say 25-35 kW will have a heat output which is likely to be 2 to 3 times more than an ASHP - perhaps rated at say 17kW. Because of the efficiency ratings [CoP] for ASHPs - typically between 2.5 to 3.5, the electrical energy input to an ASHP is likely to be less - say 6kW for a 17kW rated ASHP. While ASHPs can be a good thing in some situations, for many houses and flats in the UK these are not really a sensible option being too big for small houses, and tricky and expensive to install. In countries, such as Sweden, where communal heating is available, ASHPs are likely a very good option, but require different infrastructure. In Denmark some houses are close to thermal power stations, so although those are inefficient in terms of energy production, the heat is distributed to local houses - again a different infrastructure, and offsets some of the inefficiencies of the generating stations.

Nice video and nice result! It seemed to have got dark quite quickly on your drive 😎 May I ask whether you drive in traffic-aware cruise control when you do these range tests? I prefer to use cruise control whenever I can.

Ive had mine in confort spec for just over a year and covered 16k (i believe I was the first in the uk) i absolutely love mine, ive had the mg4 (awful dealership and broke down after 400 miles)cupra born and niro and would chose the dolphin. Oh a get the ling long tyres off!!!!

Great review and comparison thanks. I am with Eon next Drive and have an Ohme e pod charger. I think I will be staying with Eon next Drive.

I love my Dolphin

Controversially, I am planning on plugging in my EV via its granny cable when I get home from work 5pm ish and unplugging it again around 6:30am the following day (I do about 70 miles a day), Should I just stick to my EoN SVT?

Good, concise review, I am getting a Dolphin through salary sacrifice, hopefully in a couple of weeks, cant wait...

hmm quite strange- 24,5 kw/h this is super huge consumption - I thought it will be around 20. How do you compare it to Hyundai kona 2019? I heard that was a beast that in city it could do even 10 kwh/100 - so teoretical range would be 640 km in good conditions (1001cars youtube channel did that test in summer in poland and he had even 9,8kwh/100 in city driving in eco mode) Btw. was it dolphin extended range with 150HP motor?

2 Years later, I just bought a heat pump dryer and the price difference between the 2 were just over £100. Like you'd have to be stupid to buy anything other than a heatpump dryer at this point.

I thought a Teacher was a profession, not aTrade 😂

Nicer interior and more comfortable than the MG4. MG4 drives better.

Good spot noticing the nasty LingLong tyres

Many thanks for doing the Dolphin range test, it did well. It performed a bit better than I was expecting and that was around 210 miles. It confirms my view that the Dolphin would be the car for me, but I will need to get some insurance quotes before buying one. I have heard that it can be an expensive car to insure and my car insurance company wouldn't insure a Dolphin.

Thank you for watching! As always, if you are wondering about other vehicles (including the MG4 and BYD Atto 3), check out the Reviews and Testing Playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PListUDmGMNR4Co6bRDlOjof16qCmgHlDY In the meantime, why not let me know your thoughts on the BYD Dolphin in the comments below?

@KCTalksEV at 6:25min mark do you mean that a heat pump is more efficient the colder it gets outside the house? So they work more efficiently in colder environments?

Was useful to see the Dolphin when you brought it to EVs Up North last month. One thing I was surprised by was the absence of a window in the very broad C pillar. The external styling suggests one, but its absence makes the rear cabin very dark. As with the Seal, was very impressed with interior quality.

Very good video. I noticed that the the windows were misted up and have heard that the BYD Dolphin and ATTO 3 have a problem with misty windows. Did you find that to be a problem? I also noticed that you drove it at night and have heard that the illumination provided by the headlights is not very good. Did you find that to be a problem? On speaking with a salesman at a BYD dealer, I was told that the dealer has no control over the tyres and you get the tyres that come with the car. The Hankook tyres are supposed to be 3dB quieter than the Linglong tyres as well. The only downside of getting other tyres, apart from the cost, is you don't get dolphins on the sidewall of the tyres. However, I can live without that. I have a Nissan Note that will be 11 years old in January and would like to replace it with an EV in order to reduce pollution. The Dolphin seems to be a good replacement and the white and grey Design trim Dolphin is at the top of the list.

Enjoyed the review the BYD Dolphin looks a good alternative to the MG4. That said you can now pick up a brand new MG4 for less than £20k and a long range version for less than £21k, Extended range Trophy edition for a little over £25k.

Great video and given the MG reputation on reliability (What Cars recent report) and my own experience with a ZS and the number of warranty claims, I'd be tempted to go BYD over MG.

Yep that's the one . Internal colour and external one. The Design spec.

Thank you for watching! As always, if you are wondering about other vehicles (including the MG4 and BYD Atto3, check out the Reviews and Testing Playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PListUDmGMNR4Co6bRDlOjof16qCmgHlDY In the meantime, why not let me know your thoughts on the BYD Dolphin in the comments below?

Hi thanks for the video. We are on Agile octopus with solar panels and 2 * 7.5Kw Batteries. Looking at EVs . Do we get the same savings with Hybrid EVs?

You'd think they'd at least touch up the rust spots on that t5!

interesting...I would loved to ge here. where was the venue?

Saw the omoda at Harrogate. Mmm 🤔 Me like.

Hi! Thanks for watching! FYI: You can see the rest of the Events playlist here: kzbin.info/aero/PListUDmGMNR71xIpk35hFtVDRhzTTCOwx If you want to check out my thoughts on the ZS EV, check them out here: kzbin.info/aero/PListUDmGMNR4Co6bRDlOjof16qCmgHlDY

What does it mean if Octopus don't support your EV charger but do support your EV? Can you still get Octopus Intelligent Go? Only asking as most of the chargers are pretty ugly, but the charger I do like the look of isn't supported! Not sure what that would mean.

At IOG you need charge the car at least 1 time/month?

We have OVO Charge Anytime which is working really well for us. The nice thing is you're not limited to only having the charging done at night. You set a schedule, for instance I want to add 50% charge by 5pm every other day, and it will work out when best to charge to get that done. If it can't work out how to get it done by the time selected it will let you know and you have the option of charging at peak price (~23p/kWh) but as long as you use a schedule you will only pay just under 7p/kWh. Apart from having a faulty wall box (not OVO's fault obviously) it's worked seamlessly

Hi! Thank for watching! FYI: You can see the rest of the Events playlist here: kzbin.info/aero/PListUDmGMNR71xIpk35hFtVDRhzTTCOwx If you want to check out my thoughts on the ZS EV, check them out here: kzbin.info/aero/PListUDmGMNR4Co6bRDlOjof16qCmgHlDY

So I bought my first EV a month ago, kept myself on the fixed Octopus tariff and my energy bill went up £60 last month (as expected with the new EV) - I have an Ohme Pro 3, and an Audi E-Tron so both are compatible with IOG, so I made the switch yesterday on the app, I told it my car and charger, and it all hooked up nicely! Now... it says 7p per kWh for 11:30pm and 5:30am, and I've gone into my Ohme app and told it to charge my car to 80% every day by 5:30am, so this should be plenty for most days. So if I plug my car in at say 70% at 6pm when I get home, am I correct in saying it will not charge automatically until the off-peak hours charging rate? (11:30-5:30) without me having to tell it? as I have specified in the Ohme app I want it to be at 80% by 5:30am every morning. Also what happens if say I have e.g. 10% power left, it will have to start charging well before 11:30pm to get it to 80% by 5:30am, probably around 8pm, would it suddenly start charging at that time, knowing that it'll take that long to get it to 80%? and will that be charged at my usual 22p per kWh for the hours it is charging outiside of the off-peak time? And when in off-peak charging times, is this JUST for my EV charger, or for my house as well? can I set timers on my washing machine, tumble dryer, dish washer etc to go off at say mid night to be in this 7p per kWh zone? Thank you!

How much cheap rate time outside the fixed off peak window (23:30-05:30) do you find Octopus give you in a given day / week? 🙂

I’ve always thought the eUp should do well in Yorkshire

YAWN and, indeed, YAWN

Lots of daft people, stressed about how they are going to get home ,

Dont bother with Intelligent Octopus Go, use Tomato Energy instead. 6 hrs at 5p, 4 hrs at 13.17p, 14 hrs at 23p, standing charge 43p, loads cheaper than octopus. No compatibility hoops to jump through either.

Which model will get a good resale value after 100k miles ?

Great video. One of the best things about EVs up North is the interest from EV-curious members of the public. Thanks to the admin team for making it happen.

Changing minds one tailpipe at a time. I love meeting the public and debunking tales they've picked up. I think Jamie is amazing with what hes done. Well done everyone for taking part.

Thank you for watching! FYI: One of the people at the end is the host of the @TakeItEV podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jorXdWqNfNmBidE Show some love <3

Good stuff ! It was good selection of cars on display

Thank you. Your well informed and balanced review should be seen by a wider audience. I am a big fan of Octopus who have broken the utility culture and expect to return to them in the near future. However, for our use case with EV, five adult household and PV/Home battery, that extra hour in the morning using EON Drive and their current export rate (SEG) of £0.165kWh for excess PV generation makes perfect sense, even (if not more so) during significant periods of the winter when peak time consumption remains under control without too much day-to-day geeky management behaviour on my part. To your views who read the comments, beware other KZbinrs who seem to be increasingly reliant on the commission paid by Octopus. Mike.