Watching this in 2024 and thinking what happened to photography? None of the material worked with in the video exist anymore. I just consider myself privilaged that I had the opportunity to work with Kodachrome and print with the original Cibachrme at home in the early 1980s.
@LennyCooke6364 ай бұрын
I had a couple of boxes of ilfochrome paper that I had to ditch because I could no longer get any chemicals...
@zarawithcamera6 ай бұрын
What an amazing video of an incredible process. I came to watch because I’ve just bought a huge lot of darkroom equipment which has been sitting around for 20 years and it included some Cibachrome paper along with filters and a kit ‘with everything to print 20 4x5 prints’. All the paper and chemicals are sealed so I don’t think the original owner ever got around to trying it out, but he’d spent a lot of money on it as it has the prices on the boxes. I’m half tempted to just have a go and see what it turns out like, even though the paper and chemicals will be long expired.
@seantomlinson33207 ай бұрын
That was cool! So glad you posted this a decade ago. I'd never heard of Ilfochrome and now I'm sad it's gone. Thanks!
@TheWFWood Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Doug. Thank you!
@laugary8186 Жыл бұрын
Never see anyone print cibachrom,it’s super amazing work and sure one think, digital has not yet surpassed ang film .
@igaluitchannel6644 Жыл бұрын
I used to do Cibachrome with drums. It was a tedious process. Getting the filtration right was a long process.
@maheshmagalage18862 жыл бұрын
Beautiful…
@andymanson2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, Douglas! I visited your website to look at what you're doing - more power to you!! You've inspired a tremendous number of people to go out and express themselves on some slide film - that's something you can be very proud of!
@zenfoto64282 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andy. Appreciate the kind words.
@danallansarthou72 жыл бұрын
Simple color photo developing?
@SathyaPeacock2 жыл бұрын
Loved every second of it, thank you for sharing this Douglas.
@ddolde2 жыл бұрын
masochism
@securityrobot2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t mind this being looped, it’s quite mesmerising and a magnificent piece of work.
@ІгорПоляков-ф2й2 жыл бұрын
Hi, what color developer you use? Do you have recept of it? I cant finde P5 developer recept or simular for ilfochrome to prepere myself(((
@Fixmix783 жыл бұрын
The cleanest development process I have ever seen!
@molongzhang23633 жыл бұрын
老哥长得好像列宁!!!
@tushaarjoshi39153 жыл бұрын
Hi, i have a question about making a Trail video where the images include a moonlit mountain. We export them all and create a timelapse using Adobe PPro but in the trailing video the exposure gets multiplied after each image and the moonlit mountain's exposure just goes crazy. Other than setting different exposure for each image, is there any way to avoid this issue while creating a star trail video?
@brianfeldman12273 жыл бұрын
Do you still have the ability to make these prints?
@RLDeniz3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this video :)
@germanlugo70653 жыл бұрын
So.. there isn't a way to find the same Ilfochrome paper today? That's so sad!!!
@arturogomez46073 жыл бұрын
lo maximo
@alexanderwolf3213 жыл бұрын
Stunning video ! I think Ilford made a big mistake . Instead of shutting down production they should have advertised the method , made videos like yours and so on . I just became aware of the process . I wish i could do it .
@zenfoto64283 жыл бұрын
Thanks Edersandro. Yes, it's unfortunate, Ilford really did fail to marketing the opportunity including the unique beauty of the medium.
@AMTunLimited4 жыл бұрын
Why do you work in positive transparency? Afaik, color negative sheet film and paper is still in production, right?
@zenfoto64284 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video? The short answer is I love Cibachrome, its unique characteristics, and the positive transparency process. Negative based prints (C-prints) have a very different aesthetic.
@AMTunLimited4 жыл бұрын
@@zenfoto6428 that comment made the two questions seem related when I didn't mean them to (I mean why do analog enlargement and film at all when digital is so much easier amirite?) What I meant to ask was if there was something been inherit to color positive or just aesthetic reasons? Unfortunately it's kinda hard to tell aesthetic differences through KZbin (and my lack of experience) although I can't disagree with the results. The second question was just general curiosity
@zenfoto64284 жыл бұрын
@@AMTunLimited Cibachrome printing is the only way to directly print from color positive to photographic paper. The paper itself is unique in that the color is actually built into the paper. For various reasons, a well printed Cibachrome has a luminosity and depth that's rather unique to photographic print making. So, yes, there's inherent capability and aesthetic that factor in my decision to use it. If you can ever see the large format work of Christopher Burkett in person (where do you live?), you might better understand. Your question about the "easiness" of digital is really a philosophical one. I print my Icons of Agriculture series on an Epson 9900 at home. I utilize image processing tools to achieve the aesthetic I want in a way that could not be replicated in the darkroom. Believe me I've tried. I find the digital process, while powerful and appropriate to my intention, it still does not carry quite the magic of working with your hands in the tactile medium of the darkroom. Engaging in any activity that demands both a mental and physical attention to detail, with the possibility of total failure, serves, at least for me, to elevate the process of creativity and life itself. Those tactile, in the moment, fully attentive experiences is what I live for. Make any sense?
@nutmagnet224 жыл бұрын
If there is trash and bud light cans they are probably from Georgia. That's what's strewn all over our parks along with misspelled graffiti.
@PiratePhD4 жыл бұрын
What chemicals do you need for Ilfochrome?
@zenfoto64284 жыл бұрын
Vedat, the chemistry for Ilfochrome is specific. There is a Developer, Bleach and Fixer. The Bleach is proprietary to the medium and only made by special order in large quantity.
@marknorris37694 жыл бұрын
are you taking on any kodachrome to cibachrome outside work ? i have a lifetime of slide work, i wonder if there is any inventory of ilford "paper" floating around looking for a home , thanks
@jaazielgarcia3938 Жыл бұрын
I raise my hand as well here :D
@lavalampsucculent29964 жыл бұрын
This is phenomenal. Thank you so so much. It was a perfect mix of interesting and relaxing and was really fantastic to have seen : )
@zenfoto64284 жыл бұрын
Very kind words. Thank you.
@colinsmythe14124 жыл бұрын
Incredible. I've been going to Zion for 20+ years and now it's packed with vandals. Thanks for repairing the damage and I hope many of these vandals are caught and the media publicizes their punishment to the full extent of the law
@zenfoto64284 жыл бұрын
Incredibly frustrating, indeed. Just dealing with crowd control under the pandemic restrictions has the Park fully taxed resource wise. Not to mention the priorities of our political administration. Best action is education, awareness, and a bit of strategic shaming. If I lived in the area regularly, I'd form a group to routinely monitor and mitigate the graffiti. Out of sight, out of mind.
@olafwDE4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking action. 👌
@WillemVerb4 жыл бұрын
This was really beautiful to watch!
@zenfoto64284 жыл бұрын
Thanks Willem!
@swansong0075 жыл бұрын
I loved watching you work. So organized and tidy. Very relaxing and reminds me of how I used to do it back in the Day. How I miss my darkroom. Thanks very much.
@zenfoto64284 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliments. In fairness, my everyday darkroom organization is a little sloppier ;)
@fotolookconde5 жыл бұрын
Douglas Vincent in your opinion are color analysers useful to save test paper or is it a waste of money in buying one? Thanks
@zenfoto64285 жыл бұрын
Luis, I use an old densitometer that can measure neutral and color densities, both transparent and reflective. Since I currently use just one type of paper in the darkroom, the densitometer is only used on occasion. It's helpful when initially testing new paper (from different sources) but I don't use it as a tool to save test paper when making new prints. Color is so subjective, I don't find measurement tools particularly helpful in making aesthetic choices.
@fotolookconde5 жыл бұрын
Douglas Vincent that is now clear to me. Thanks for your reply and help!
@neilpiper98895 жыл бұрын
I used this back in the 1980s. I still have some prints. Beautiful in the hand. It was so simple. We never thought it wouldn't be around for ever. Bloody digital and ink jets. I used Kodak Bromesko paper for black and white until it was discontinued.
@redlightsdistrictlaquila64385 жыл бұрын
Hi Vincent, Can you still find the development for Cibachrome? Thank You
@swansong0075 жыл бұрын
When you think of it digital killed of so much of photography history and pleasures. Not to mention the company's that made all the gear used in this video. A crying shame. The world is doomed.
@randallstewart1755 жыл бұрын
In the early 1980s, I learned color printing by starting with original Cibachrome. This first type pf Cibachrome presented several issues which were ironed out in later versions: massive high contrast and a serious reciprocity failure starting at about 20 seconds exposure time, which would be exceeded necessarily for prints larger than 8x10. I replace the Ciba developer with a two-bath alternative to partly manage contrast. I added a contrast control ("unsharp") mask process later to fully control the process. With that, I could make maybe three final (different) prints in a day. I quickly learned not to open the processing drum until a final wash in-drum was completed, as the fumes from the bleach and fix processes could literally knock you over. When Cibachrome went away, a gave away almost all of the paper and chemistry I still had and shifted to neg/pos color printing. Much easier and safer to do. Both the Cibachrome paper and bleach are hard to manufacture, and the demand would be fairly modest, so I doubt it will come back. Ilford always keep the formula for the bleach a propriety secret, so DIY folks like me are still screwed.
@zenfoto64285 жыл бұрын
Yeah, cibachrome isn't coming back. Some of us negotiated a partial powder/raw version of the chemistry. I haven't mixed any yet because I'm still running through my last delivered batch of chemistry from late 2015 which could start to expire any day now. If I'm lucky I still have 3-4 years of printing left. I have enough paper to make 2-3K worth of prints but even that is starting to shift (losing density in the blacks). And, yeah, I run a water wash in my Jobo before washing in trays to avoid the extra stink. Cheers!
@joanyadhatan5 жыл бұрын
8:00 unique watermark XD wow, nice
@ajbrennan64565 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, it's appreciated....Have you found a paper that has some qualities of Ilfochrome that might be worth investigating.Currently I am amazed that everyone's answer to printing is squarely aimed at sticking a negative in a scanner yikes!! (not my bag at all) I have always shot, developed and printed Monochrome in my darkroom and on occasion's that I used c41 I used a pro lab, but after migrating to Australia many years ago I could not find a pro lab in easy reach at the same quality.I am now at this bonkers stage in my life looking at getting a jobo system myself (the significant cost was a consideration) I prefer the idea of printing colour over purchasing a scanner, any input appreciated and thanks again. Andy
@zenfoto64285 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy. There, unfortunately, is no comparable to Ilfochrome. The design, materials, and aesthetics of the paper are unique in a way that there really aren't any direct alternatives. Of course, you can go with negative based printing and Fuji's Crystal Archive paper line. When I'm finished with my remaining stock of Ilfochrome (about 4,000 sheets), I'll likely switch to something monochrome like platinum palladium. I used to photograph with Polaroid Type 52 which was a lot of pain, I mean fun ;). Cheers!
@ajbrennan64565 жыл бұрын
@@zenfoto6428 if in the pain and effort, you find joy...it was worth it. Thanks for you response Douglas, very much appreciated.
@rslimjoco5 жыл бұрын
You make test prints with 8x10 paper with a larger final print. How do you calculate/compensate for the exposure times when the head is higher on the actual print?
@zenfoto64285 жыл бұрын
Rene, I spot metered light values for my enlarger at different heights. From there the conversion calculations are pretty easy. Enlargements to standard sizes are a 1.65x increase in exposure. But the prints are almost always tweaked - they open up at larger sizes and I find my exposures decrease slightly (in relative terms). Also, now, if I'm confident in the image, I'll start directly with 16x20s. Or I'll make 8x10 sections of a 20x24 image. It's a little quicker as I'm now focused on making larger images. Cheers!
@rslimjoco5 жыл бұрын
@@zenfoto6428 thanks. Do you use a standard light meter placed at easel level? Can you share your calculator?
@zenfoto64285 жыл бұрын
Rene, I spot metered the light (on the easel's center) with no light head filtration and recorded the exposure values (EV) applying standard photographic exposure adjustments (i.e. an EV change of -1 would mean an additional stop of exposure) to my calculations.
@josesegura19325 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video.
@danfloresmusic5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Amazing. Thanks for sharing!!!
@buildmotosykletist19875 жыл бұрын
I thought Cibachrome was dead ages ago. Good that they revived it but sad it's now gone. The video does not show the almost 3D effect and stunningly vivid colours the gloss has. Also I liked your drum roller, in the early days we had to manually roll the drum back and forward. Does the machine alternate the rotation? I had considered making up a motor to the job but never did.
@zenfoto64285 жыл бұрын
Apologies for not responding sooner. Been traveling a bunch. You're right about capturing the material's beauty, It's so highly reflective, it's almost impossible to capture its unique characteristics by digital means. The drum roller (Jobo CPP) does alternate the rotation which is critical to this type of processing.
@thegoldbergsisters5 жыл бұрын
right on
@jameslane38466 жыл бұрын
I just found out about Ilfochrome... I wish Ilford will bring it back. Kodak is making a massive comeback and starting to market their brand again. Ilford has a good opportunity to do so too and bring back this paper!!! It would be so amazing to print slide film the correct way
@v-g-z36896 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! Strictly analogue printing is the only real thing. Sadly, apart from hand printing like you do, it is very rare nowerdays. I only know 3 labs in Germany that still do it with analogue minilabs from the late 90´s.
@abigailsockeye15866 жыл бұрын
You may not poo poo digital photography, but you certainly pee pee it.
@zenfoto64286 жыл бұрын
You're probably right Abigail. At the time, 5 years ago, I was wholly emotionally invested in my massive commitment to Cibachrome and the tradition of handmade darkroom prints. I still fundamentally value them in a way that's different from digital photography and pigment printing. But I've wholeheartedly embraced digital photography for my Icons of Agriculture work. My vision there is something that can't directly be achieved in the darkroom. Though, what I'm currently most excited about is outputting some of those digital files to film and printing them in the darkroom. It's a fusion of mediums. And that's a lot of fun. Cheers.
@AliZaidi6 жыл бұрын
thank you SO much for sharing this Douglas... I wish it comes back! :'(
@nousavonsable6 жыл бұрын
your work is incredible Douglas! keep doing it, it shows a great spirit of detail an aesthetic vision of the reality. A question, it is possible to find chemistry for the entire process nowadays? Congratulations
@zenfoto64286 жыл бұрын
Hey Martin, sorry, been traveling a lot the last month. You cannot find chemistry in stock anywhere. A chemist in Switzerland has the rights to produce chemistry (he's done it for me and others in the past) but it's enormously expensive and requires a significant volume commitment.
@OneManTrail6 жыл бұрын
As a digital only photographer, I really respect your passion and dedication to this art form. I can honestly say that if this is how we had to work today, I would not be a photographer lol.