What Do I Do Behind The Scenes?
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@KAPTKipper
@KAPTKipper Күн бұрын
The RF Modulator adds them. Replacing the modulator with a replacement circuit should fix it.
@drkamilz
@drkamilz Күн бұрын
Thanks to you, another C64 has been saved!
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 Күн бұрын
Thanks. I don't really think I'm doing anything noteworthy. I just enjoy it. If it keeps a vintage machine off the scrap pile, well that's just a bonus.
@Hounddoggy33
@Hounddoggy33 2 күн бұрын
My snack is KFC Ruffles and my drink is Coors Light. This is the first video I've seen of yours. I'm actually happy to see you have tough c64s to repair. Easy fixes don't educate us as much. Cheers!
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 күн бұрын
And boy have I been getting an education. Glad you're enjoying. Thanks for the watch and the feedback. I really do appreciate it.
@mudstuff
@mudstuff 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. I had a green screen CPC464 as a kid, my first computer. I just picked up a colour one with a few games for a good price and it needs some tlc for sound and cassette belt but I was looking for the best way to play all the games, this DDI 5 looks very interesting. Would you say this is the best way? I've seen some devices for the GX4000 with a GUI and you can scroll through the games on screen with a controller, is anything like that possible on the 464 or is this as good as it gets?
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 3 күн бұрын
If I'm honest, I'm probably not the best person to answer. I've tried several "modern" loading mechanisms, external tape drive, TZXduino, loading via a Bluetooth receiver, the CPCDandanator and the DDI5. I liked the DDI5 the best, but there are probably other solutions out there like the one you mentioned that I've never used and am, therefore, unqualified to evaluate. Thanks for watching.
@carraror
@carraror 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. A more thorough initial process could contemplate opening the case before turning on the computer and checking voltages and doing visual inspections to see if is safe to turn it on. Great tip on the zener diode for the datassette; they were very common here in Europe compared to the floppy drives, which were awfully expensive
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 3 күн бұрын
You're welcome. And thank you for watching and for the feedback.
@donaldblakley6796
@donaldblakley6796 4 күн бұрын
Excellent video and troubleshooting. That's awesome you saved the vicII :) that was definitely a hard one. But never in doubt.. I knew u would get it. The cassette problem u had happened to me once.. ( the zener diode) it drove me nuts for quite a while. Since then I have always used my tester to check the cassette motor pin on port to see if it's constantly running. ( a bad pla can also make it run all the time 6v +) anyways another great video.... this really excited me that I wasn't the only one who had that diode issue. Awesome. U take care, and can't wait for # 10:)
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
Thanks, Donald. I appreciate that. Also glad I'm not the only one to experience the diode issue. :) See you in the next one!
@donaldblakley6796
@donaldblakley6796 4 күн бұрын
I left mine for a couple weeks , then got the schematics like u did... I plugged in a known working datasette I have, I powered the 64 on, and it ran continuously. I replaced and socketed the 6510.. no change.. then I replaced 1 of the cias and socketed... can't remember which one now... still no change. Then I'm like.. I don't know.. I took that zener diode off a very bad board and soldered it in the other board and.. it just freaking worked.. I was crazy happy. 😆
@timtaylor2044
@timtaylor2044 4 күн бұрын
I also use the deadtest as first diagnostic. But the version i use is newer. Just google deadtest kinzi. It has some extra features and shows colors when doing the first mem test and if bad it shows the normal white flashes.
@ohioterran7374
@ohioterran7374 4 күн бұрын
Lots of issues! I appreciate you stepping through the process of troubleshooting/fixing! Great job fixing that C64!
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
Yup. Fix one and another appears. Thanks. And thanks for watching!
@arneharstad2437
@arneharstad2437 4 күн бұрын
Great work! I learn a lot, thanks! I really like your combined (?) multimeter / oscilloscope. Would you mind share which one you use? Thanks in advance.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
It's basically this one. I think mine may have been an earlier model. I have the one Adrian Black reviewed. www.amazon.com/Hantek-Handheld-Oscilloscope-Multimeter-Multifunction/dp/B07PWZV4XJ/ref=sxin_16_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.e8df51fd-b950-4a2f-bfb3-8dbdae6ffa25%3Aamzn1.sym.e8df51fd-b950-4a2f-bfb3-8dbdae6ffa25&crid=QTD3XNYPU95M&cv_ct_cx=handheld+oscilloscope+multimeter&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.x1C9-luR7EiqHBQ7rBkIRLtgWBAfby0YF7WvmxiysMh5ugjBFniYQ0aeBSayai1hsDOcbCQhbTRoLRhJG2bMJg.DgAJakeAlgfmSb0dWZbriDIhBwkEauOa6XIfsXJ4aQo&dib_tag=se&keywords=handheld+oscilloscope+multimeter&pd_rd_i=B07PWZV4XJ&pd_rd_r=cf817997-acba-4896-b6d8-04f293b30e54&pd_rd_w=bEr8F&pd_rd_wg=bHbCb&pf_rd_p=e8df51fd-b950-4a2f-bfb3-8dbdae6ffa25&pf_rd_r=JB79FG72AE2C6RHD0VBC&qid=1721500912&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=handheld+osc%2Caps%2C93&sr=1-5-e20883f9-9d72-4842-a3e6-e1cd54d2b900-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&psc=1
@RudysRetroIntel
@RudysRetroIntel 4 күн бұрын
Excellent video and work! Thanks for sharing
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
Thanks, Rudy! I really appreciate you.
@timtaylor2044
@timtaylor2044 5 күн бұрын
Really love watching you going through c64 repairs. I also do this as a hobby. You know you can use the minipro to test the PLA!
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
I didn't know that. Thanks. I'll look into it.
@timtaylor2044
@timtaylor2044 4 күн бұрын
And as for the deadtest i use the kinzi version which shows you different colors when starting the mem test. Just google deadtest kinzi.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
I've heard of that one, but haven't downloaded and burned it to an EPROM yet. Thanks.
@timtaylor2044
@timtaylor2044 4 күн бұрын
@@YARC-1981 it helps a lot seeing that the mem test is running. Because a dead pla also tends to show a black screen.
@atarimex2643
@atarimex2643 5 күн бұрын
Sorry to say, but I find your troubleshooting process not quite logical. Especially considering you have a second working unit to do testing. Good effort, extraordinarily complicated diagnosis process. I have observed that you normally start very well in your repairs, but then tend to drift away…….Thanks for sharing
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 5 күн бұрын
I'm happy to take any specific recommendations you may have for improvement. As for the ZIF board, I don't like to use it that much for three reasons. First, not everyone out there has a known-good board with sockets fitted that they can use as a test bench, so if one of my goals is to show folks how they can repair their own machine, it's better to try other diagnostic methods first. Second, I like to see the actual fault, which you don't get if you just pull every IC and test it in another machine. Third, not every machine I work on has all the ICs socketed and desoldering a chip just to test it in another board without specific indication that it may be faulty is hard on both the chip (if its good) and the board itself. As for drifting away, there may be two causes for that. First, I usually do these in the evenings and as it gets later I lose focus. I'll try to work on that. Second, I start getting into areas where I'm not as knowledgeable or as confident, so I slow down to try to understand what's happening and what should be happening. That's a learning curve and is probably unavoidable until I get better at what I'm doing. Thanks for watching and for the feedback!
@atarimex2643
@atarimex2643 4 күн бұрын
@@YARC-1981 if those are your goals/challenges, then let us assume a different premise: Most people without a second c64 at hand most likely don’t have an oscilloscope, a minipro programmer, a ram tester and/or a test cartridge either. Therefore it may be a more reasonable path for teaching repairs is with a multimeter and a logic pen. Perhaps following the sams repair guide or the c64 maintenance manual and/or the visual troubleshooting screens from Ray Carlson. My 2 cents as suggestions. Thanks for sharing your content. I liked and suscribed
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for the like and subscription. There are many paths to the same result when troubleshooting and repairing computers. I've shown repairs using a little $25 oscilloscope (the ZEEWEII DSO154Pro) from AliExpress before. I've also used the pictorial fault guide. I shy away from using my logic probe because I don't think it gives you enough information and can be too misleading sometimes. But you've got a point.
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 5 күн бұрын
This is again one of those cases where the cost of the repair does not (or barely) justifies doing it. BUT, 250425 is my favorite long board, if it were me, I wouldn't scrap it as a parts donor, which I think you won't do too. There is no logical explanation on why that replacement PLA died. I guess it was just bad luck. As you already found out, there wasn't an actual short on the PSU 5V rail, and yes the power switches do drop the voltage when there is oxidation on their contacts, this is also true with the power connector, you should take a look there and clean/replace if necessary. Check input voltage right at the power connector pins, and then on the switch pins. A healthy C64 PCU (original or aftermarket) should provide a decent 5V (even a little above it) and if it drops around 4.7-4.8V around the board, there must be a reason for it. I am glad you decided to follow a methodical approach, here is what I follow for C64s: 1) Open it before applying power. (If something to go bang or smoke, I would like to see it) 2) Remove the SID (Not needed for anything, and too valuable to risk it) 3) Connect video, power on. 4) Check voltages. 5) Check clock signals (Yes, plural. Includes the dot clock and color clock as well as the CPU clock, all measured first from the clock generator circuit, then on the CPU) 6) Check reset line. 7) Depending on what I see on the screen, attach Dead Test or Diagnostics. If none of them boots up, start probing, PLA pins first. I re-insert the SID only after I am sure that I have a fully working machine, I never poke around with the SID in circuit.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 5 күн бұрын
Good morning, Bora. Glad to see you're still sticking with me. You're right, this one was expensive, but it could have been worse. I don't like to give up on a machine just because it costs too much to repair, though. If I've got the spares, I'll save it. I put the first replacement PLA in the board before I fixed those "sockets" under the RAM, while the voltage was still reading below 4.3V, so there COULD have been a short on the board that affected it. I'll never know now. I did spray deoxit into the power connector and then insert and remove the plug several times. It had no effect at all on the voltage, though, so I don't think there's a problem there. I'm still fine-tuning my diagnostic process, so I'll consider yours. Looks like you're maybe a little more cautious than I've been. And I only usually get to the dot and color clocks if I'm seeing video issues. Thanks again for watching and for your feedback. I always learn something from you.
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 4 күн бұрын
@@YARC-1981 Of course I am sticking around. Your channel is one of my top 5 retro computer channels, always makes me happy to see a new video from you!
@sigbjrnholmvik3100
@sigbjrnholmvik3100 6 күн бұрын
Big fan of you show.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@sigbjrnholmvik3100
@sigbjrnholmvik3100 6 күн бұрын
Keep up the good work
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 4 күн бұрын
I'll try :)
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 20 күн бұрын
Another one will keep on living! Although it may seem that you've replaced the sockets unnecessarily, it is a good practice, those old sockets are always prone to give you problems.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 20 күн бұрын
I've no regrets about any of the rework I did. Those sockets were crap and the soldering on them left much to be desired. The MT RAM would eventually have caused a problem, as would the MOS logics. The only thing I regretted on this one was making the assumption that the VIC-II was working. You know what they say about when you assume.
@samcoupe4608KB
@samcoupe4608KB 20 күн бұрын
What about bbc basic and cpm you just need 16kb pageable into bottom of ram? what about rzx files?
@NightSprinter
@NightSprinter 23 күн бұрын
For the Atari 2600 one, how does this handle games that don't run at the standard 262.5 NTSC/312.5 PAL line resolutions and refresh rates, or constantly change (Empire Strikes Back, Moon Patrol, and especially Buck Rogers are notorious examples)?
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 23 күн бұрын
I believe c0pperdragon and IanSB (of the RGBtoHDMI) worked extensively on that with the help of another user who was doing outside testing for them. You can follow the thread in c0pperdragon's LumaCode GitHub repository (github.com/c0pperdragon/LumaCode/issues/7), but I believe they got most, if not all, of those issues addressed, so it should handle most of those games.
@NightSprinter
@NightSprinter 23 күн бұрын
@@YARC-1981 excellent!! This gives me reason to have someone redo my video mod then. I always lamented how even the RetroTink 5x pro struggled with even a composite-modded 2600.
@madmartigan1498
@madmartigan1498 24 күн бұрын
It's always the PLA. Even if it's not 😂😂😂
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 24 күн бұрын
Still don't understand how I did that.
@devrossik
@devrossik 25 күн бұрын
Congratulations! You found the "spell". Too bad it was in the possession of a creature that was hiding it's bad intent behind a "patsy" chip. As you said yourself, you got there in the end, and another C64 lives on!
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 25 күн бұрын
Thank you, Dev! High praise. I'm humbled.
@donaldblakley6796
@donaldblakley6796 25 күн бұрын
Excellent work:) glad to see u back. Nice troubleshooting. But I noticed the clocks were off... at the end. Another bad vicii unfortunately:( very well prepped video though. Jumping everywhere, but also wanted to say that I hope everything is all good with u and your parents now❤ looking forward to next part. Wasn't a bad thing changing all the mt ram and mos logic chips anyways:)
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 25 күн бұрын
Yeah, I glossed over the clocks. The CIA's were otherwise 100% working and I don't think those small variances will really cause much of an issue. I had no regrets about the RAM or MOS logics. As for Mom and Dad, it's an ebb and flow thing. Some weeks are harder than others. We've been working on final arrangements for my dad so we don't have to have the burden when that time comes. Mom had a fall a couple of weeks ago and tore up her wrist pretty badly (not broken, fortunately), but she's healing up nicely from that now. I'm glad to see me back, too. I'm ever grateful for the destressing effect this hobby brings. And the community has been SO supportive. Thanks, Donald!
@carraror
@carraror 25 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video! I didn't know that the VIC II could be responsible for giving those random RAM flashes with the dead test, good to know
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 25 күн бұрын
You're welcome. I'm assuming it was because of failing DRAM refresh, but I don't know that for 100% certain. It does seem to make sense, though.
@RudysRetroIntel
@RudysRetroIntel 25 күн бұрын
You got it done! Nice work! Thanks for sharing
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 25 күн бұрын
Thanks 👍
@4thdoctorwhofan966
@4thdoctorwhofan966 25 күн бұрын
When you ran the diagnostic test at the end of the video, the CIA timers were not the same. Anyway, thanks for the vid and keep up the good work.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 25 күн бұрын
Great eye for detail. Yep, I noticed that, too. Although both CIAs worked completely otherwise, there was a small difference between the two TOD clocks. Both are definitely getting the exact same signal driving the clocks, but they just seem to handle it slightly differently internally. I've never seen that before, but I suppose it could be normal. I don't really know for sure. Thanks for pointing it out.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 26 күн бұрын
FYI: I stated, incorrectly, when cleaning the user port, that most or all of the bottom pins were ground. I just discovered I was mistaken. Those pins have other purposes and should definitely be cleaned. Sorry for the confusion.
@electrical_engineer1
@electrical_engineer1 27 күн бұрын
Sir, how time we chage files need
@aerotube7291
@aerotube7291 Ай бұрын
Had a good version of this on coco 1
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 Ай бұрын
Version of which?
@aerotube7291
@aerotube7291 Ай бұрын
@@YARC-1981 joust(the bird game)
@aerotube7291
@aerotube7291 Ай бұрын
@@YARC-1981 was upgraded to 64k, microdeal version I think
@aerotube7291
@aerotube7291 Ай бұрын
Oh, donkey(king) too, both played well mode 3, as did time bandit. Others looked better in bw but we never got the artifact colors in the UK...
@aerotube7291
@aerotube7291 Ай бұрын
@@YARC-1981 my father sent his world map program to hot coco and had it published! He got lots of requests from USA on if he knew how to implement the artifact colours. Great days
@thomasmagnum5702
@thomasmagnum5702 Ай бұрын
Where are you passing the sound to? Does your monitor have sound or are you sending it to an external speaker?
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 Ай бұрын
The Switch-a-roo includes the audio on the SCART connection, which is then all embedded into the HDMI signal by the SCART-to-HDMI converter. In the example setup I use here, that HDMI is then split both to a little LCD and to my capture device. The RGB-to-HDMI is a little more complex as it doesn't support audio. In that case, if I remember right, I connected the audio to the audio-in on my capture PC and got it that way. But there are little HDMI audio embedders you can buy (I have since bought one) that allow you to take separate audio and embed it into the HDMI signal. From there, you'd then treat it just like I did for the Switch-a-roo.
@thomasmagnum5702
@thomasmagnum5702 Ай бұрын
@@YARC-1981 Let me rephrase - What is playing the audio? I currently have my RCA Audio out going to Aux in on an old radio. Would you do the same from the Switch-a-roo? I own a switch-a-roo but I haven't used it yet, because I don't have the SCART/HDMI converter yet - could you also recommend one of those? Thanks!!!!
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 Ай бұрын
In this video, when I'm using the RGBtoHDMI, I have the audio out RCA jacks on the Coco connected to a pair of powered PC speakers. In the Switch-a-roo section, the audio is coming via HDMI into my capture device and you're hearing both the direct audio capture and the audio playing out of the PC and being picked up by my vocal mic simultaneously, which is why there's an "echo" problem. When using the Switch-a-roo either with a display that has SCART input or through a SCART to HDMI converter connected to a display with HDMI input, the audio will play through your display device's audio system (internal speakers, digital audio out, etc...). This (www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MUNIVRO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) is the SCART to HDMI converter I'm using.
@thomasmagnum5702
@thomasmagnum5702 Ай бұрын
@@YARC-1981 Thanks! Not many of us left playing around with this stuff. Interestingly, I recently learned I live about 5 miles from where the Rainbow was published. Never knew.
@vanhetgoor
@vanhetgoor 2 ай бұрын
It is bright, sharp and crisp, it has vivid colours as those colours were ment to be, it is brilliant. If I would search I would be able to find more words that would praise this Copperdragon thing. There is only one disadvantage and that is the low resolution of the original computer, big letters and cyphers fill the screen. With the original video output you could imagine some distortions were ment to be, under the vagueness was hidden a universe of things you had to fill in with your imagination. I will explain. A game has a walking man of 8 pixels high, two legs are two pixels high, the body also two pixels, the arms, two pixels, the head, with the ears and eyes and hairs and nose and lips and eyebrows, with a smile on his face is also two pixels high. You can't do that with just two pixels. Reality kills the fantasy. Now the screen is filled with abstract objects. One line can mean numerous things, like a road, a floor or a trajectory of a missile. The sharper the image is the harder the mind has to work to translate the abstract forms into imaginary friends.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Gaming is "supposed" to be for kids. Kids have better imagination. As adults, we sometimes lose that. We look for precision. When I was a kid, I didn't mind the chonky block graphics and horrible RF interference I got on my Atari 2600. I could imagine myself transported into these worlds and none of that mattered. As an adult, bad picture grates on my nerves and I can't stand to play Atari's original PacMan port. So I guess it depends on the observer and just how much imagination they have left. Thanks for watching and for the insightful comment.
@drkamilz
@drkamilz 2 ай бұрын
Errare hunanum est, bro. Errare humanum est.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
The rest of that saying is "perseverare autem diabolicum" or "but to persist (in error) is diabolical" I'm diabolical. Thanks for watching!
@donaldblakley6796
@donaldblakley6796 2 ай бұрын
Great work bud 👍. We're only human mistakes happen. I have myself once mixed up the pla and sid, and once I had the basic and character roms switched when testing.. dead test no problem... but no basic screen or diag... took me a couple hours to find it and be like duh. ❤ man:)
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Yeah. i know I can't be perfect. Just makes me feel so foolish when I do something like that. Fortunately, this mistake didn't cause any further damage. I've done that before and that really hurts. This one only cost me a ton of time. Thanks for watching and for the encouragement.
@ohioterran7374
@ohioterran7374 2 ай бұрын
Great job fixing these C64s!
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. I appreciate that. And thanks for watching and commenting!
@carraror
@carraror 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video and don't worry: as we say here, the one who doesn't make mistakes is the one that does nothing. So, in the end it was a bad PLA and SID? I find your way of soldering/desoldering pins interesting, not going one by one in line, but going zig zag
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the absolution 😂. Yes, the PLA and the SID were the only two faults in the end. I got in the habit of soldering that way to avoid heat build-up in a certain area of a chip. If you do it on the diagonals, you give each area more time to cool between heating adjacent pins. I can't remember if someone taught me that or if I came up with it on my own, so I won't take full credit. I also don't know if it really matters at all. Just a little quirk I have.
@atarimex2643
@atarimex2643 2 ай бұрын
Occam’s razor. Sometimes the best is stop, and come back the next morning to take a look at it again….
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Or just pay closer attention the first time. Thanks!
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 2 ай бұрын
I am as careless as you are, and from one to another, here is my tip for not putting the ICs in wrong sockets; Before you start pulling them off, write on them what they are with that white marker. Very easy to confuse ICs with faded markings but believe me you won't put an IC marked with big white letters as CIA in a CPU socket.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, Bora. I guess I just figure I will recognize them by the part number. That doesn't work if you don't pay attention while you're doing it, though. Maybe I should start marking them. That white "marker", though, is a paint pen and a little harder to remove afterwards. I'll look for something else to mark them with.
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 2 ай бұрын
@@YARC-1981 The white marker I use, although it says "permanent" on it, is easily wiped off completely with a tissue soaked in IPA.
@networkg
@networkg 2 ай бұрын
I know a zif board is handy, and low hanging fruit is tempting, but for understanding how to spot a bad cpu or cia or pla using your oscilloscope is much more useful than a quick "this chip is bad cause it doesn't work in my other machine" video. I do enjoy your effort and the continued homage to Adrian Black by using his signature sound test.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Yes, I tested the four socketed chips in the ZIF machine, but that was more because I actually suspected they were good. Testing them that way is quick and reliable. Testing using an oscilloscope on a broken board usually won't tell you if a chip works because if there are faults elsewhere, those can affect any results you get on the chip you're trying to verify. If you'll recall, I did spot the PLA problem by testing the outputs with the oscilloscope. The ROM selects weren't behaving correctly. I only verified my suspicions using the ZIF board. I suspected the SID because it was particularly warm while not actually producing sound or being used for paddle input. Then, in the four-hour section I skipped, I had the oscilloscope all over the board tracking down address bits 8 and 9, which were stuck high-ish. I only desoldered a chip and tested it outside the board if it was giving me indications on the scope that it might be bad. As for the Donkey Kong Arcade theme, part of that is homage to Adrian, but most of it is because that's the song I'm most familiar with. I didn't grow up with a C64, so I'm not familiar with a lot of game themes or demo music that's out there. I can hear subtle problems in the DKA theme, whereas I wouldn't necessarily hear them in other music. Thanks for watching and for the input. I'll keep it in mind as I try to improve my process.
@damianscott431
@damianscott431 2 ай бұрын
It's good to see you "Finally" solved it and the C64 is singing & dancing again. But did you actually solve the Low +5Volt rail ? I'm seeing lately more of this board, with that very issue (among other issues). My solution to this so far has been to 'Shotgun' all the 10uf 25V Electro Caps (yes even the pair inside the Video / clock metal shield - where the supply is derived from the 9v AC). Why? Well not only to restore the +5V rail but also before removing these caps I'm seeing varying levels of tarnish/corrosion on the Solder joints below the caps (and nearby components) to corrosion on/under the soldermask & PCB surrounding the electrolytic caps. Now I'm not PRO , let's Shotgun everything (except for known boards with leaking Caps ... thanks Mac & Amiga) and then see what it's doing (that way of thinking if you are not careful will end up causing more issues (broken tracks / shorts , wrong value/ reverse polarity, etc.) and chasing your tail). Now previously I've heard people say Electrolytic Caps in a C64 won't stop your computer from booting up. Well I've seen over the years multiple Caps preventing the reset circuit from working and some caps in the RF Modulator preventing video out, But now am also seeing on the 250407 boards leaking caps. So be warned, and take appropriate action when needed before your C64 gets damaged.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
You're right, I missed out showing the power rail after I fixed my little mistake. Yes, it did clear the problem. As for the caps, I always look for visibly leaking electrolytics, but I've never actually found any on a C64. They can still be out of spec without leaking, though. Bad caps around the 555 timer could definitely affect the reset circuit and bad caps in the RF modulator could affect video quality. I don't usually recap a C64 unless I'm seeing symptoms that suggest a problem. Thank you for watching and for the information. As I said, I really appreciate hearing from the community and all the info you all provide. Cheers!
@Alianger
@Alianger 2 ай бұрын
What does it use for sound, is it all sample-based here?
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
I don't actually know, but I'm guessing samples. If you want more information, I know at least Glen Hewlett is approachable.
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 2 ай бұрын
Wow! Carnage indeed. In my mind, this is beyond a feasible repair. I would make it a donor board, all mechanical parts like the switch, ports, etc. may have a new life in an otherwise poorly board. You haven't tested the 8701 clock generator on camera, but most probably that will be fine too. RAM ICs and color RAM are worth desoldering and testing (most probably futile work) but the logics etc are not worth the effort.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
I agree. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't try to finish that repair. I'd just use it as a donor. In this case, though, I'm considering making a video exclusively for channel members where I do actually strip it down, test the remaining parts and then try to rebuild it, just for the exercise and the fun and entertainment value for the viewers. It would be interesting to see if I can find all the shorted components and get it running again.
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 2 ай бұрын
@@YARC-1981 Yes, that would be a fun video to watch. You can attach a non-current protected (but current limited to around 1A to prevent a smoke and fire show) 5V PSU to the 5V line and see which ICs get hot very quickly. That would be a good starting point to find the shorted ones.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
@@borayurt66 Good idea. I should have thought of that.
@Androx74
@Androx74 2 ай бұрын
NIce repair, maybe that clock generator was warking maybe :)
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
It could be. I think I may finish stripping that board down and testing the parts on a members-only video and see if I can rebuild it. It'll just be temporary because I can't afford that many spares, but it would be interesting to see if it can be done. Thanks for watching!
@carraror
@carraror 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this series, I love C64 repairathons. I also repaired a bunch of them in the past months, but I am not as kwoledgeable as you. I wonder where all those computers end up in your case, whether they stockpile in a closet like the ones I repaired. From time to time I could turn them on, checking if they are still operational and maybe hoping that I have to fix them again! 😄
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
You're welcome and thank you for watching! My intent is to resell them, but I'm REALLY behind on cleaning up the cases and restoring the keyboards, so they're all sitting in piles in my lab getting in the way. I love the idea of putting these back into the world and letting others enjoy them.
@donaldblakley6796
@donaldblakley6796 2 ай бұрын
Nice work bud 👍. Very sad to see the beloved 466 board be so bad:( awesome that the 6567R9 is good though. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Cheers
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, Donald. Honestly, I could probably have revived the 466, but the cost to replace all those IC's would be prohibitive. Yes, it's great that I could salvage the R9. Thanks for watching and have a great weekend yourself!
@donaldblakley6796
@donaldblakley6796 2 ай бұрын
Hi bud, hope I don't disturb your Sunday. If the 466 board was mine... I would still tinker away with it... even if I had to gut chips from a 407 board... so curious on how many more bad chips there are left 🤔. I would buy it as is. And don't worry. I know I'm crazy 🤪. Lol
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Hi, Donald. No, you're not disturbing me. I'm considering making a special video for channel members only where I continue to strip that board until I clear the short, then rebuild it just to see if I can get it working again. I figure a full set of replacement ICs (based on what I'm seeing on ebay right now) would run me about $250 (assuming I have to buy a VIC-II because I've used the original in another repair). That's too much to spend on one C64, so if I do it, I'll probably just use parts off other boards I have on-hand and take them back after I'm done, just for the exercise and fun of seeing if I can do it and the entertainment value to the viewers.
@donaldblakley6796
@donaldblakley6796 2 ай бұрын
Perfect. Can't wait. That 466 always has great video output... just with composite. I'd rob a 407 board any day to fix the 466.
@donaldblakley6796
@donaldblakley6796 2 ай бұрын
Hey bud. Relating back to where I asked you where I can find color ram chips.... I remembered I bought 2 full ram replacement kits a couple years ago . In this kit.. there is a AM9114CPC chip. Is that a replacement for the 2114 color ram chip? I never knew... but it is 18 pin as well. Hmm
@senilyDeluxe
@senilyDeluxe 2 ай бұрын
The last time a certain Number 5 got hit by what you could call overvoltage, it had an unexpected, but rather nice effect...
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
"Life is NOT a malfunction!"
@KAPTKipper
@KAPTKipper 2 ай бұрын
That "Brick of Death" racked up the kills. I lost a 6581R4 to a faulty PS too. It was not a happy time.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
I feel you. I was so disappointed the R4AR was nuked. Thanks for watching!
@universal70
@universal70 2 ай бұрын
I don't think Tramiel imagined the C64 lasting this long!
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
No, but I bet he'd be chuffed, if he knew. Thanks for watching!
@carledwards9477
@carledwards9477 2 ай бұрын
I enjoy watching someone who knows what they are doing, tracking down issues and resolving them like this. Thanks for making videos like this so we can learn as well. Much appreciated.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
HA! Fooled you. I'm winging it. ;) Kidding, of course. Thank you for the compliment. You're gonna make me blush.
@Miidolf
@Miidolf 2 ай бұрын
I wonder how that 250466 motherboard ended up inside that breadbin. It was good to see you working with one of those.
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
I wondered the same. I think there was a little overlap where 466's were put into breadbins before the wedge cases started being used, but I'm not sure. Otherwise, it's just a Frankenstein. Thanks for watching!
@michaelstoliker971
@michaelstoliker971 2 ай бұрын
@@YARC-1981 I bought 2 C64 bread bins and one was a 466. Both were working and I sold the 466 on. Both of the power supplies worked but I bought a modern replacement supply from Poland for the 425 I kept. I should have kept the 466 because it had better video output. The 425 has a weird cocks-comb pattern to the color areas on the screen, especially browns and yellows.
@madmartigan1498
@madmartigan1498 2 ай бұрын
Machines which someone put some work on can be a pain. Untouched c64s usually are quite easy to fix. Very well done, sir! :-)
@YARC-1981
@YARC-1981 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Part 3 just finished processing and will be public later today. Hope you stick around for it.