Hi John, Thirdly, you say that the more an animal eats the more methane it produces. This may be true but the presupposition here is that domestic ruminants producing methane is actually a problem in terms of Global warming. But methane from livestock is short lived (as you admit) and, more significantly, such methane is part of the existing natural cycle of Carbon. If it weren't cattle's enteric microbes producing methane from the anaerobic metabolism of grasses it would be similar methanogenic microbes living in sediments or the guts of termites producing similar quantities as they breakd down the same grasses. And surely the volume of methane produced by domestic ruminants now would be no different (and, given the estimates of the size of prehistoric herds of buffalo in North America and wild ruminants in Africa, probably far less) to that produces in wild ruminants which consumed the grasses in vast grassland biomes before human agriculture existed (and, surely, this is incontestable since grasses and ruminants evolved along side each other - they coevolved - along with their enteric methanogens). As far as I understand it, the real (and effectively the only) issue with global warming is GHGs produced from the burning of fossil fuels (along with the potential release of gases from other long-termed sequestered carbon reserves like methane trapped in permafrost or deep oceanic sediments as a concomitant result of rising temperatures caused by burning fossil fuels), and not carbon already present in short-term natural cycles (which includes methane released from livestock), and the only reason we have thought methane from livestock is part of the problem is because the fossil fuel industry's propaganda machine is telling us this as they try to deflect attention from the true source of the problem - them. And, for some reason, no one has woken up to this lie. We have just swallowed it with out questioning it. If i'm right, cattle and sheep aren't the problem; oil, coal and gas are. In fact, properly managed cattle are the most effective solution to the problem of global warming since correctly managed cattle grazing will sequester far more carbon in the soil than cattle release as CH4 ( which degrades quickly to CO2). I have heard it said that if environmentally adapted cattle raised on all presently used agricultural marginal land (which is not suitable for cropping) could result in the increase in the percentage of organic matter by only a few percent and, as a result of this, all the CO2 released from the burning of fossil fuel since the start of the Industrial Revolution would be removed from the atmosphere
@cootaparkbluee9 ай бұрын
Methane is short lived (10 years), but it is also upwards of 280 times more warming than carbon. People talk about it being short lived relative to CO2, but 10 years doing damage is still a long time. That’s why in most warming potential calculations, methane is adjusted to account for its short life and to be comparable to carbon. Despite being part of the methane cycle, methane is a very potent greenhouse gas and any ability to reduce the amount emitted will help to reduce global warming. Pasture land that is grazed by ruminants creates more emissions than pasture land not being grazed, because the grazing animals cause the plants to produce more kg of dry matter per year than ungrazed grasslands. If we remove the cattle from the pasture, this doesn’t happen, and the plants produce less kgs of dry matter to be consumed/fermented and produce methane. A grazing system does increase the amount of carbon sequestered in the soil, but the balance of these elements isn’t clearly understood yet. If we can reduce the methane emitted in our grazing systems without reducing the amount of carbon sequestered, then that is a huge positive toward reducing global warming/climate change. We must consider how consumers and those governing our industry will view the situation. The beef industry is like any other industry - there are large amounts of money and livelihoods invested, so many of the people and organisations involved want to protect it when it’s threatened. There are numerous industries that are contributing to climate change, and passing blame to avoid being singled out doesn’t help anybody. The best way to address the problem is for every industry to reduce their emissions as much as possible instead of spending all our time trying to deflect to worse offenders. This also comes back to the social license issue - The ONLY way to effectively combat social pressure against the beef industry is to be proactive in addressing the very real challenges we have in front of us. If we don’t, others will do it for us, and not always with our best interests at heart! We need to accept that we do produce methane and it does have a significant effect on global warming, whether it is more or less than any other industry, and that we can reduce it using genetics, management, additives and sequestration, which will also increase our productivity.
@vaughanbrown24009 ай бұрын
Hi John, thanks for doing these videos. I am very interested in this topic because I think it will inevitably determine the future of beef cattle. It has become an issue of "social license" and therefore the survival of cattle as a human food source. I am still learning so please be patient with me. May I first please ask about some presuppositions. Firstly, you say there is nothing which correlates with feed efficiency which is going to cause any production loss. But l have heard lots of people say that selecting for feed efficiency selects against fat deposition which, because the ability to lay down fat correlates with fertility, selects against fertility. They say this is self evident since, they say, it takes far more energy (food) to lay down fat than muscle so animals which are laying down less fat are going to gain weight (in the form of mostly muscle) far better than animals using energy (food) to lay down both fat and muscle so animals with the best feed efficiency will be the least fat and so also the least fertile. You talk about there being 120 genes associated with the physiology of food metabolism but surely this still does not change the basics of the amount of energy required to lay down fat versus muscle? Secondly, you say that measuring feed efficiency using pellets in your bunkers is a good approximation of the efficiency of cattle feeding on grass. But this ignores the fact that "efficiency" can mean different things. An animal which can take in a large amount of poor quality forage and successfully convert it into meat may not be "efficient" in the sense that you define it (i.e. kg of body mass produced per kg of food eaten) but couldn't it be said that such an animal is still very "efficient" in terms of converting low quality food, (which is all that is available in large areas of Australia), into meat? concomitantevolution could be removed from the atmosphere and stored as organis matter in the soil, which constitutes a long term carbon sink.
@cootaparkbluee9 ай бұрын
Hi Vaughan, Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts. We aren’t here to attack anyone and always welcome reasoned conversation around these topics! We’ll try to respond to your points roughly in order. We do agree about the social license and the future of the beef industry. We’ll talk about that more at the end of the reply. You are correct that there is a correlation between feed efficiency and leaner animals - It is a slight correlation, that is usually overstated because it’s the only significant production trait that is correlated. However, this can be managed by maintaining selection pressure on genetic fat when selecting feed efficient animals for breeding. The job of the seedstock producer is to use multi trait selection to balance and make progress on antagonistic traits - for example BWT/Growth, Muscle/Marbling. The relationship between fat and fertility is a whole separate discussion. We can say that in 25 years of selecting for feed efficiency we have had no negative effects on fertility, despite running our cattle under hard commercial conditions (see our video on mature cow weight for more info on our approach to this!). The process of laying down fat vs muscle is determined by many things - age, sex, diet, maturity pattern. It is not a simple equation of energy in, equals a set amount of muscle vs fat. Our view on feed efficiency vs. production/fertility is that selecting for feed efficiency brings several benefits to the productivity of our cattle and so far, no draw backs. When cattle are tested in our facility, they are not fed pellets - we aren’t a feedlot - we do our best to mimic what they eat out in the paddock. Our ration is 75 percent unprocessed oats, 25 percent lucerne - a low energy, high protein diet. As soon as we have a reliable way of testing feed efficiency out in the paddock, we will be the first to do it! Until then, we get as close as we can using our facility. What we are trying to do is create a beef system that enables us to use as little feed as possible to produce a maximum amount of high-quality meat. This dovetails perfectly with your example - cows on marginal pasture need to produce meat on a limited amount of feed - higher efficiency genetics allow her to do so. Our main mission is to help create cow herds that are as efficient and productive as possible - the cow herd is where 75% of all feed is consumed in a self-replacing herd.