Do you need their QR to use the neo on the base?

This is a very cool test I would like to try this on my Simagic M10. Can you tell me the mathematical equation used to convert kg to nm? Thanks for doing this video the Alpha will likely replace this old M10 soon.

isnt that like a rig that costs 10k?

Well... not sure he has a future in videos

Totally disagree . The alpha gives tons more fidelity that the mini. The more extra head space of the alpha gives a new feel of the track, tires sliding, curbs, everywhere

LMAO dude this is horrible.

LOL

Hi! I am considering to sell my dd pro of 8nm and get this base and wheel. Do you recommend it? It’s a big change? Thanks

You could give VR a try since space is an issue. I'm happy with 8nm for now. Great video.

Coming to Alpha from T300. Lowered it to 9nM max because of being scared I might worsen my old elbow injury if I leave it on max. Still experimenting though because this is my first DD experience and I feel not confident about what I'm doing.

Just ordered the Mini can't wait to get it....coming from a G27 it should be quite the upgrade XD.

So tell me this …. If I drive with realistic to an actual cars feeling as in max 10nm power but light ish feeling weight on the wheel ….. is there any reason at all I would upgrade ? I have the mini

Does your Mini produce a lot of noise and coil whine? Mine is almost singing LOL will need to return it

This is called overshoot. Basically all servo are capable of this but only some allow it in software. A good example is the mige which is a 10nm holding torque base, but capable of 100% overshoot up to peaks of 20nm. The new thrustmaster 5nm base will do the same and allow peaks upto 10nm. The csl dd which is a 6nm motor is capable of 2nm of overshoot. And the Simagic bases are all capable of overshoot by around 20%. These are really industrial measures. Not applicable to the mindset of making a servo specifically for simracing. In simracing, you want to balance cogging and slew rate with overall torque and produce a smooth feedback, thats also capable of high slew rates. So because they do want at least 15nm but also need to makes sure each motor doesn't lack in slew rate (unlike other manufacturers who noticeably lose slew rate on lower models) you will get overshoot, particularly under high output spikes. Simagic bases are powerful not just torquey. Torque is only one factor in power output. Torque x RPM/speed ÷ 5252 = HP output. The reason a 15nm base can hurt you and simultaneously a 32nm base can be set in such a way that it doesn't, is due to power overall. Torque at a constant rate means that only speed can increase power, and speed at a constant rate means that only torque can increase power. And Simagic have a specialized servo specifically 5 pole for the purpose of always having both speed, and torque simultaneously ready to go

Sim magic alpha with GT neo is a win!

Literally the same as me. I have a csl dd 8nm. And am going to the alpha. The mini just doesn't feel like enough of an upgrade. It more power of course, but not much. Going to the alpha is doubling power. Feels more worthwhile for the head room. I wanna run about 12nm

All changed now. This wont do more than 10nm. People need to know that.. If you want to drive with around 13nm, buy the alpha 15nm base and turn it down to 13.5. You should only buy the mini, if a max torque of 10nm is okay for you.

But the V3 mini only puts out 10nm. it's not like the V1 that could push 13nm that everyone shows in their yourube test videos. All yourubers seem to get the v1 base, like that famous test video that someone put out showing 13nm with iracing. Forget his name, but he's super popular. That video is no longer relevant with the v3 mini.

so when the mini is capped out at 10 in the software it still does more?

so all details of mini, alpha and U are the same?? the difference between them is just strength ?

I see that you recently switched from Alpha to Alpha mini. Could you maybe do the same test with the mini? Curious to see how much it's able to hold. I'm currently on the fence, can't decide between the R9, R12 and the Alpha mini. All three are appealing in their own way.

Nice video. I appreciate it. Here in my country, the Alpha 15 costs R$ 8000, 33% more expensive than the Mini (R$ 6000). Considering their differences in performance and prices, which one is the best value for the money? I'm not a pro driver neither a strong guy but I want something that will last years and years ahead.

а какие настройки у тебя в Assetto Corsa Competizione?

consider Alpha Mini

going from the fanatec 8nm myself to this wheel - just ordered it....

What ffb settings you running in iRacing with your “mini” test in the vid ? Cheers mate

This vs vrs directforce pro? Holding torque ? And peak?

Ordered the GT neo can't wait to get it

Do a showing of your rig

I would really recommend trying vr my dude. This small screen doesnt look to good

I have an Alpha U. It is definitely overkill. This alpha is really all that anyone needs. The U is only good for occasionally cranking up the power to accurately simulate old high downforce cars for some fun. Im a strong, fit, professional tower climber with very high grip strength. 6’1 (186cm) and 200lbs (90kg). I’ve tried doing a whole race in the F4 car on iRacing with the power cranked all the way up. After 5min I’m getting tired, 10min in my hands and wrists start to hurt. After the full 20min race I’m drenched in sweat my hands can hardly hold on and my wrists feel like wet noodles and actively hurt. I’ve got to avoid curbs and/or bumps because the shock through the wheel hurts too much. Most of the time I run it between 10 and 15nm. Less power and I feel like the car isn’t communicating with me enough, more and it gets tiring/painful after a while.

Sim race hack, go big, turn up to max in software, turn down in game… enjoy high slews, best realism, live your sim life and avoid caring about such things.

Most drivers say that around 12-14nm is accurate to real life… Imo having raced mx5 Miata’s, that seems to be about right, I set to 14nm on my wheel settings and the iracing dbox to around 10-11 in the car… And really that even feels a little extra with the FFB compared to irl… Also imo, brakes is wayyy more important than your wheel

i was once like u, invest all money to sim rig, wheel, base, pedal, and i playing with 24 inch monitor, i feel something not complete, and my monitor was broken, now im upgrade it with triple monitor, now feel like where it should be

What cockpit do you have

Although it's not the most scientific measurement, I love how much you rate these bases on their feel versus just the numbers. I completely understand (and honestly agree with) the argument that more overhead is better for preventing clipping and to grow into as your arms get stronger, but I also think those viewpoints are overly critical when considering a casual sim racer and convinces people to spend more money just to have something they'd never know is missing, if they ever even reach that threshold. I've been saving up for a year so that I can treat myself to an Alpha and was thinking about going for an Ultimate (upgrading from T300), but your videos convinced me that an Alpha is all that's needed, and I'll be using that extra money to add haptics to my seat instead so that I can have more fun in my rig. Keep up the great content, I subbed and will continue to tune in!

The Simagic EMI issues are insane though, I would warn people. Been two weeks with mine and haven't even been able to use it in my rig.

I wonder if the benefits of the Alpha over the mini would then only be present if one were to use the damper and inertia settings. So, keep the force output range the same as the mini still but the additional headroom would be consumed by the damper and inertia simulation component if that makes sense. On my CLS DD, turning up these settings really starts to kill the feeling of the ffb signal when they shouldn't and don't when I've tried an SC2 Pro with even higher damper and inertia settings.

I upgraded from CSL DD (8nm) to alpha (15nm) and started developing wrist issues. Had to dial down FFB strength and problem went away. Mini is more than fine for most. Also, noticed you are using USB Canbus Hub. Did you have any issue with devices being recognized? Did you connect any non Simagic devices to the hub?

I literally get on youtube and they show me yoyr videos ive watched so then i come here and comment hahs. They just keep reccomending it to me. But hey thats fine I enjot it. Im actually using 12nm on the ultimate so yeah haha. Im on the same page as you.

Yo bro it’s YooMrWhiteSmurf I have upgraded to pc and mini what’s your discord we need to get back on track

My sim pro manager will only let me put max torque to 10 NM for the mini. How can you go to 12.4 or above 10?

You need a solid 8020 rig my friend. Your losing so much touch and FFB with it the way it is now. Just know any wiggle or movement is taking away FFB feeĺ.

The error is tremendous with this method. I wouldn't trust the measurement at all.

Turn wheel rotation speed to 0. Anything above 0 is basically compression on the input. It's just going to oscillate and constantly clip.

when you limit the base via Max Torque it will just cut off everything above, but the actual force scaling will be like if you had a 15nm base. It will not mimick the Alpha mini with these settings. In order to properly compare the feel between two bases, you should reduce the Force Feedback instead on Alpha.

The view when you driving!?!😅

What version is the alpha? Whats the wattage of your alpha power supply?

What version is the alpha? Did uou just get it?? Whats the wattage of your power supply?

Simple question.... Why did you not measure torque this time? 😅 You still make comments like it would be 13,5nm, but it is not anymore.