This is excellent explanation. Can you show inn a tabular format what each type can do and can't? TBH it actually is a difficult concept to understand unless one tries it themself.
@ChelitosuavКүн бұрын
I can make a follow up video cause there is some more deep dive I can do. And I'll include a tab sheet to help you decide what you need. However this is one of those things where I don't think that'll help as much as a schematic for what each is doing. I'll include both just in case. I'll let you know when I put that up.
@Chelitosuav2 күн бұрын
I do also want to reiterate what I said on the first video after 6 month the headphone outs are really quite. For anyone who likes to monitor with your dry signal the headphone outs are way to low! The only way you'll get decent volume is if you're seeing back from the DAW which introduces more latency and some people find that to be a huge problem.
@T-BOUNCING7 күн бұрын
I THINK I LIKE THE HEAD WEAR...SWAGGER IN A STUDIO RIGHT
@ChelitosuavКүн бұрын
I mean its just my branding I could add more functional images!
@CarlosCastro-x4z10 күн бұрын
Studio One is dope bro I use it since version 3
@Chelitosuav10 күн бұрын
I first opened it* In 5 but I wasn't recording a lot back then I was more invested in my Live Audio career. I was in Logic for the st 6 years casually now that I am switching careers and wanting to do more studio recording and be my own artist. I switch to Studio One with 7 and haven't looked back I feel right at home!
@ItsTakeingTooLong13 күн бұрын
Holy backtrack! A few notes, gain still will not increase the sensitivity of a microphone, in the same way increasing the exposure does not increase the sensitivity of a camera. Signal that wasnt there before will not suddenly appear when gain is applied. Interesting decision to still ignore the phrase "signal to noise ratio" and instead still being stuck on this "noise floor" concept. Sm57s do not use springs, but diaphragms. If you are using a DI box it wont matter how new your interface is you will need gain. In the video you bring up where he "admits to lying" if you actually read the comment he admits to using a noisier interface to make the difference more apparent, not that this issue is not a problem on newer interfaces. Neural DSPs statement explains how they themselves design their sims, not how you should do things all the time. The important number the mention is -13 dbfs, which is not a standard (another issue that was mentioned in the video you didnt watch). And guess what, lets say you have a signal coming into their amp sim that is less or more than that number, youd have to (say it with me) GAIN STAGE. Gain staging is still done in the studio, in your rant about how it is not done while tracking you litterally say that you set the gain. Its ok to be wrong. These concepts mean a lot to those who understand them, and if you can have your work flow make good music without understanding them, more power too you. But dont tell the people who actually understand what is being discussed that they are stupid or wrong when you dont understand what they are talking about.
@Chelitosuav13 күн бұрын
www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=is+gain+sensitivity+control&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 You can do a simple google search and find your errors on gain...... I explained the mic incorrectly though. About the coil it's not the whole process of how it works. So yes you were more correct.
@ItsTakeingTooLong13 күн бұрын
@Chelitosuav The source you have linked has no relevance to the discussion if you took the time to read it. I tried to link actually relevant sources that showcase why you are incorrect, but youtube does not allow me to post links. However "NOT the same! Microphone Gain vs Sensitivity" By Randy Rektor should explain things in a very digestible way for you. In short, I think you are conflating input sensitivity of a interface with microphone sensitivity. This is very easy to test, take a signal generator and watch as the volume increases and decreases as you adjust the gain, despite the signal generator not outputting any more signal than it has before. In fact, the way preamps are designed prevent the incoming signal from being changed at all, every increase in volume happens post an input buffer. These types of differences matter to advanced studio engineers, which is maybe why you have not encountered an issue with your misunderstanding in your own personal production work flow. But for the people who are designing the tools that you use, this type of distinction is important.
@Chelitosuav13 күн бұрын
I am not going to lie I forgot that there different on a technicality. But now I remember why audio engineers don't waist there time separating them. Because technically it's still wrong to say sensitivity is different. Because gain is measurement of how much of the mic sensitivity I wish to access. Therefore Sensitivity without gain is a circle its pointless. If my only way to access sensitivity of a mic is gain. It is fair to say that gain is increasing the sensitivity. So I gain up an access more of the mics potential sensitivity. I still am making the mic on a technical scale more sensitive. Because I accessed more of it. So in a nut shell since you want to go analyze everything. Gain is a potentiometer that sets the amount of sensitivity I wish to access. But in that same terminology saying gain increases sensitivity is more correct than incorrect. I don't like making audio more complicated than it has to be. So yes gain on a more technical level is sensitivity. It's a measurement for how much id like to access. There fore making it increase the sensitivity of the mic or anything. So to simplify it because it doesn't help anyone to separate them gain is sensitivity.
@ItsTakeingTooLong13 күн бұрын
@@Chelitosuav Do whatever mental gymnastics you need to do to always be right man
@noelgallard112813 күн бұрын
@@ItsTakeingTooLongso are you telling me gain doesn’t give me access to the sensitivity of the mic?
@IronLungProductionsOfficial13 күн бұрын
I'm a noob at music production so all this info is very handy, Thanks for the great explanation!
@Chelitosuav13 күн бұрын
Glad that I was able to help!
@Chelitosuav14 күн бұрын
Let's settle this Part 2 is up: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHnLi4awmLeor9k
@nathananderson224215 күн бұрын
this video is 100% completely wrong. i'm going to try to explain why in the simplest way possible. you absolutely SHOULD gain up your instrument input the same way you'd gain up a microphone, which is to make the signal as loud as you can make it without clipping at all. doing this gives you the best SIGNAL TO NOISE ratio, both for microphones AND instrument inputs, and you can test this out for yourself. i understand that you're trying to leave the level at around -18 where you were told the signal should be, but the best way to do this would just be to gain up the instrumet, then TURN DOWN your fader so your level is back at -18. this leaves you with a little bit cleaner of a signal (less noise) just like how it would for a microphone.
@Chelitosuav15 күн бұрын
Like I said part 2 is coming And I will annihilate all mis information. You guys don't understand what you're saying. I will explain after I come back. It will be up tonight you guys don't understand the terms you are using. And you will find out soon. I don't mind being correcting if I am wrong. But in this case I am 100% you are clueless about this comment. Perceive is to deceive one self which is what you have just done. Be ready
@j3ffn4v4rr015 күн бұрын
Yes, Mr Anderson gets it 👌
@Chelitosuav15 күн бұрын
@@j3ffn4v4rr0 Oh God you guys just wait for part 2 you will se you have no clue
@j3ffn4v4rr015 күн бұрын
@@Chelitosuav You can't get to the truth by doubling down on an incorrect answer.
@Chelitosuav14 күн бұрын
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@naopensesdemais16 күн бұрын
I think I disagree, but maybe I’m missing something: - you have an instrument level signal coming from your guitar; - that signal goes to the preamp on your audio interface; - if available, you can engage the High Z mode on your preamp, correctly matching impedances - the signal then continues on to the analog to digital converters, where it is discretised into points in time (according to a Sample Rate) with specific amplitude values (according to a Bit Depth); - at this point, concepts like “instrument level”, “mic level” or “low impedance” cease to be meaningful, as they’re meant to facilitate the proper interface between different electrical circuits; - you can then change the gain of your preamp in order to allow for the “biggest” signal possible, ensuring you’re using the fullest potential of your converter; - if you don’t, all you’re doing is reducing the resolution of your recording; Let’s say that we have a noise level of -80dB and a signal level of -30dB; that’s a difference of 50dB, let’s call it our Dynamic Range, the distance between the loudest usable sound and the quietest usable sound. Now let’s say we raise the gain on the preamp; the signal is now at -5dB and the noise at -70dB, the Dynamic Range is 65dB. (if raising the gain on your preamp introduces too much noise, you probably need better preamps or converters, both can distort your signal; most current interfaces have pretty good signal to noise ratios, you shouldn’t need fancy gear; if the noise isn’t coming from the preamp, but the guitar itself, then you should look into better shielding its electronics or better pickups) Then, let’s say we raise the gain on our DAW by 10dB; the signal would rise by that amount but so would the noise floor, which means the Dynamic Range doesn’t change. The point isn’t that you set your preamp to the loudest signal, but for the best signal to noise ratio. Your amp sim doesn’t have a clue wether your signal started at instrument or mic level, it only sees the amplitude level at your converter’s output. That’s how you’d do proper gain staging on this situation: get the most out of your preamp and converter, then adjust the level on your DAW to get the best out of your plugin, thereby maintaining the best Dynamic Range possible. If you’re getting “more distortion, less guitar” as you adjust the preamp gain, you’re probably past the gain you need, somehow improperly operating the equipment or the equipment itself is faulty.
@naopensesdemais16 күн бұрын
Also, the whole idea of recording between -16 and -20 dB being better for mixing is completely foreign to me. If I’m mixing something, receiving recordings with a lower resolution just means the final product will be noisier. Honestly, it sounds like something which might have made sense in analog setups but got “mistranslated” into to the digital era. But again, maybe I'm missing something?
@Chelitosuav16 күн бұрын
Ive read both of your comments. The problem with treating your guitar like a mic input is that's it is not a mic input. You can gain up if you would like! Like I said if you want to boost the signal. However you will have little room to move in the DAW. If you gain maybe 5db your amp plugin will be closer to unity. Meaning a terrible situation for mixing. You want to leave enough headroom. Your guitar is not a mic you're not supposed to treat as such.... The signal ratio for an amp is set by instrument monitoring the preamp. The impedances are different of course but the minute you set that to instrument level it sends the appropriate the signal your guitar would send the amp. (Last I checked we don't plug a cable in to a gain knob and gain up to get the amp to hear us well.) The impedance change is so that your A/D is more like you would plug into an amp. Gaining will introduce more preamp noice even if you bring down the input volume your not getting a clean sounds anymore. (If you use a distorted tone it is like extreme compression. You are raising the noise floor then boosting with distortion or fuzz. Remember that drives are all compression) I don't have bad preamps. Even if I gain up my interface little bit I will be close to clipping. You don't have much boosting options before you clip. However sometimes I will gain up because the guitar I used to make preset has a hotter output. So to get the same response I will introduce the gain knob/boost pedal in between. Typically the only reason you use the gain knob is if you track through a console and are sending to a separate room with an amp. Old consoles like the Mackie 8bus do not have an instrument input converters so you would gain the console knob to a good level for the amp. This a process Nile Rodgers would do sometimes but his preferred way was and is directly into the console. You can use the color box by JHS to get the same result. As for recording between -16/-20 the reason we do this is because it allows for compression without breaking headroom with just a guitar track. When you have enough headroom the other instruments. if needed can be boosted as well or Eq boosted and not clip your master. Recording at unity will have you constantly battling your master fader and it will always be clipping. Especially if all your tracks are maxed out at unity you don't have enough headroom on a global scale. You can get away with some digital clipping but not a whole a lot. The signal your hearing when I play the guitar comes in fairly low in the DAW but it allows me to have a clean mixing session. No clipping and smooth sounding tones. My noice floor is not almost none existent due to a gate obviously but also I didn't bring up then noise floor by gaining up. All I'm stating is that you shouldn't treat your guitar like a mic. They are different instruments entirely. And if you an are recording bands and don't want to deal with constantly fight your master fader clipping leave your self way more headroom than you think! It will save your mixes. I have yet to have session where I am clipping my master in along time! That's why we record at that volume you guitar isn't the only instrument that has to fit a mix. And you will find yourself fighting your master fader pretty early on because you are recording to loud.
@Chelitosuav16 күн бұрын
Also I would like to remind you that gain is not volume. You can test this out yourself. Take your phone and play some music without gaining up. Lift your phone up and see where it starts cutting out. Then turn the gain up where you would and do the test again. I guarantee you that the music will be heard a lot further then if the gain was set correctly. Ever notice that when you turn on boost pedal you get more feedback? You are literally increasing the sensitivity of your pickups making more prone to clip your signal before the amp. Gain knobs are simply to control how big the pickups cloud is. Gain is not volume. And when I change impedances I am literally just getting rid of the mis translation. You do not need to gain up in order for your cable to communicate with an amp. For that reason when you set the language on your interface to high impedance for your cable. You have literally set it to to communicate properly. It's really just that simple. Edit I just realized you referred to volume as resolution. Resolution would be changing the literal buffer size from 96khz to 48khz. That is a resolution. Not volume. When you receive mix make sure you know the resolution so that when you load your audio tracks they aren't stretched.
@ItsTakeingTooLong16 күн бұрын
@@Chelitosuav The instrument button IS adding gain (as well as setting the correct impedance) to your signal! If you were to use a passive DI box (which only is supposed to change the impedance) and plugged that input into your interface, then you would need to set the gain appropriately. Your interface is doing this for you, which is why you are unable to add much more gain before you are clipping. As the commenter above said, you really want to take advantage of as much of your converter as possible while leaving appropriate headroom. While you are correct that adding gain does raise the volume of baseline level of noise, the important factor when looking at noise while recording is the ratio of the signal to the noise. The preamps and converters have no clue what you are plugging into them. When they see and input all they see is the voltage and impedance looking back, whether its from a guitar, microphone, or keyboard. For this reason you shouldn't look at an instrument any differently when it comes to gain staging, its your job as an engineer to make sure the signal coming into the DAW is one that is capturing the most amount of information possible. And yes, gain staging is important outside of live sound. "Last I checked we don't plug a cable in to a gain knob and gain up to get the amp to hear us well." It is not uncommon for amps to have a "preamp" knob. Just look at the JCM800! This is just a clean gain knob. You are controlling how hard you are hitting the clipping portion of your amp (additionally while they may seem alike, compression and drive/distortion are not the same, as compression does not aim to add harmonic information in the same way drive does).
@Chelitosuav16 күн бұрын
@ItsTakeingTooLong Actually you should look up where drive comes from it is extreme compression! Also Gain is not volume. I hear you but every interface literally sets the cable to the perfect communication point. I could do it with a focusrite with and apogee doesn't matter it literally sets it correctly if you wish to boost your amp go for it. But saying gaining by default is the way to go is incorrect. Also once again compression and drives are not different pay attention to your sound wave when recording with heavy distortion it is a literal block. Try a fuzz or just a lot of gain it is literal compression. Also setting the gain right isn't gain staging. Gain staging is the balance of volume and your feed back point. Do you set your gains correctly yes but you do not gain stage they are entirely different things. Gain staging has to do with controlling the volume along side the gain not just a gain knob. Also on the point of compression and distortion being the same use an LA2A and drive it the way you would a distortion pedal thats literally where it comes from. Listen to the Led Zeppelin song black dog there is not distortion pedals going on there it is three stacks of an LA2A. Also the gain on the amp sets the sensitivity of your pickups just like your interface does. That's why when you gain up you get more feedback. Once again it really is just that simple. Edit: I do want to also say there is one thing called overdrive which the distortion we discover from clipping and analog board by accident. But when you clip and analog board. It starts to compress.
@kougan_music19 күн бұрын
Very clear, thank you 👍
@Chelitosuav18 күн бұрын
Glad to clarify it all 🙏
@intigori27 күн бұрын
Hey man thanks for taking the time to make this video, I'm wondering what channel to use when using a VST plugin for multiple guitars, for example: I have 2 guitars having the same tone hard panned left and right, not sure if I should use a bus or FX channel! Think you could help me with this? Cheers.
@Chelitosuav26 күн бұрын
What's good, so there are two ways you can go about this. You are saying Vst but I think you're talking about an amp simulator. If that's the case if you feel comfortable with committing audio. You can go to the console and put it the on the input itself. This will mean you are putting the amp before the studio one console fader. And printing the amp sound. Then take those two performances and pan them left/right. If you want a little more freedom and not sure you want to commit the audio put it on the track itself.. You can also use an aux track. This is the closest thing in studio one to bus recording. Set the input of the aux to the appropriate input. Then set the output of the aux to an output you aren't using because you don't want to here double. Then on your panned left and right channels for guitar set the input to aux channel. I usually label it recording bus or Amp to make it easier to tell what's happening. Let me know if that's what you are looking for. Having multiple instances of an amp sim can eat up the cpu this is a great way to save it. Now if it is an actual vst and you want to send it to multiple locations. You can use a bus channel as a chain to multiple tracks this will however print your midi instrument to audio. You will set it up similar to how you set up the Aux channel for an amp sim.
@intigori20 күн бұрын
@@Chelitosuav Yo! Yeah they are Neural DSP plugins for guitars, basically an AMP SIM but the file type is a VST in the DAW. Probably not that important but I was wondering in what category (effects or virtual instruments) those plugins would fit in!? I've tried in the past to print the sound but I like the freedom to play with the tone after taking the takes! But like you said, I was probably doing things in a way that it was really taxing for the CPU, like throwing the plugin in every channel LOL. I tried the BUS channel route and it seems to be doing the job! I'm curious about the AUX workflow though - not sure my head got the hang of it yet lol - lots of input/output routing stuff going on (I'm very visual and learn by doing ahah) If only I had an old physical studio with all the old hardware and someone to make me plug the cables so I could visualise the routing🤣 Cheers brother, and thanks for taking the time to respond!
@Chelitosuav20 күн бұрын
I will make a video for you I got just the thing you need! 🤙🏼 It will be up by Sunday
@Chelitosuav17 күн бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGnScqqmYtKVr6s I made this video specifically for you hope it helps! There is a little rant at the beginning of guitar recording technique in this new age. Hopefully it clarifies what I was saying to do.
@DL-1Ай бұрын
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Appreciate it!
@sir_achaАй бұрын
You should do some "Studio One for Dummies" videos for me 😅
@ChelitosuavАй бұрын
I have a couple videos but I want to get more accustomed to it before I do a tips video for Studio One