@@DavidVasquez-lg3kn online telemedicine, so an online doctor

@@Aman-gc3it I would recommend waiting about a half a year more or more. You can always titrate dut slowly into your regimen around that time as well.

@ understood. But you are gonna laugh at it but i heard recently a news in my country where government catched fake medicines which were circulating in market so you are gonna laugh at it but i just have a feeling that my finasteride is fake i know it sounds stupid but still i have that fear thats why i was thinking of duatasteride because making soft gelating capsules would be difficult for those people i mean it does sound stupid but ummm

@@Aman-gc3it I see, no worries Dut is just a bit stronger than fin, so most likely better for your hair gains/maintenance.

@@braetenmccrea1272 yeah thanks men so if i want to switch back to fin for some reason so my hair wont go below if i would have on finasteride alone

@@braetenmccrea1272 yeah thanks men so if i want to switch back to fin for some reason so my hair wont go below level that i would have on finasteride alone?

@@daleparrish5138 there’s always hope! Just depends on perspective lol. in the future hopefully there will be a complete cure and recovery for hair loss.

@@sergiosalvatore3368 multiple vendors, or have a doctor who would be willing to do so. That’s quite rare though

@@sergiosalvatore3368 thank you! Much appreciated. I personally use multiple vendors, but it’s possible to get a doctor who is willing to prescribe a large amount of avodart supply.

@@braetenmccrea1272 thanks a lot man 👊

@@PoperLegend getting a PSA panel checked , just to check your prostate. As well as an endocrine panel. Maybe aromatase activity to see if you have a higher chance of experiencing side effects from crushed DHT (this means higher testosterone and estrogen conversion, for some). there may be some other things as well, but those are two I think are important to be safe as possible.

@@braetenmccrea1272 thank you

@poperLegend no worries, but yeah I can help answer some of these. I would recommend starting fin or dut around 18, to help stop your diffuse thinning and male pattern hair loss. (Once you get diagnosed from your doctor or telemedicine provider) I would also recommend minoxidil as well, I apply minoxidil once a day, and it works well for me, Helps maintain thickness. They work very well together. I was using oral fin and oil minoxidil topical. Micro needling works well with minoxidil, i don’t personally micro needling anymore, but it can help minoxidil grow hair. Fin may help grow your hairline, mildly, but it will stop the progression. Minoxidil combined with fin will help grow your hairline back better, possibly.

@@braetenmccrea1272 thank you very much, this helped a lot; so you think i should take fin in pill form? and then after a while also minoxodil in liquid form; would I also need to put it on my crown (the minoxodil) or will the finasteride do the job of keeping it full?

@@PoperLegend yeah np! when you turn 18, yes 1mg fin pill form, and topical minoxidil. Minoxidil may help grow back hair on the crown, so I may recommend. Fin may help get the density back, but minoxidil will help too, It’s up to you. Taking to your doctor or dermatologist, they also may recommend the same thing for the best results.

@@josdrop I only use topical once a day, at night. So I don’t have to worry about how it looks, that’s what I do personally. I personally respond well with once a day use instead of twice.

@@zacw812 for 0.5mg dut, i definitely went through a harsh shed for the first couple months. Though around the 7 month mark, the hair on my crown and temporal area were becoming noticeably more thin and diffuse. This was even after a bunch of shedding. So I just wanted to play it safe and up the dose

@@hadhad129 sadly you can’t get a prescription for anything higher than 0.5mg dut from a doctor very easily. Unless they are quite a progressive doctor that is willing to, but that’s rare. You possibly will have to get a double prescription from another vender or telemedicine, It depends.

@@verivillon exactly!

@@MagicBold12 I do, I mostly lift weights, but I do lots of calisthenics and intense cardio here and there. I personally don’t do cold showers or weather, but I used to. Definitely helped me to become more disciplined.

@@braetenmccrea1272 good more piloerection exercise

@@whyyes6429 thank you! On conditioner days, I use an argan oil, sea kelp oil and shea butter oil. On shampoo days, I used the brand “intelligent” ketoconazole shampoo. I air dry my hair, so it’s less frizzy(staying out of the wind and humidity) .I don’t use products too much, if I do, it’s for when I want my curls more messy and tight. That would be something like castor oil or more shea butter, It differs.

My brands switch up, but my current shampoo is “intelligent” that’s the name.

@@nikolastojanovic7440 good point, I like to call it “aggressive loss” because it’s happening earlier, but your point still stands. I appreciate the comment!

it's not bro... Another overhyped mediocrity that will produce extremely subpar results like Fin, Dut, Min...

@@sanjaychopra5 even if that was the case, you can probably stack it on top of fin and have a more efficacious treatment

@@nikolastojanovic7440 Nah bro I think it's gonna be so weak that it's not even gonna be worth it. It's gonna be expensive like getting injections all the time and produce extremely subpar results like a crappy PRP/exosomes results (although the theoretical mechanism is different) GT20029 is snake oil. If you want to see results that are even worth mentionning, you have to take male to female hormone replacement therapy drugs. Go read Bridgeburn on hairlosstalk That's the only way to get regrowth that is even worthwhile mentionning. Fin and Dut are sketchy and too weak. You literally have to start them at 16 BEFORE you even start losing. Once you've lost enough that you can actually notice that you're losing, you're already past Fin and Dut. It's a joke. I'd rather shave

@@copetillirope178 thank you! I use topical 5% minoxidil once a day, just at night. A lot of people do definitely struggle with the hassle, but now honestly I’ve personally gotten used to it.

Hi Braeten, just wanted to follow up on this message to see if you got a chance to respond - since this message is super important after thinking about what we discussed previously :)

Topical minoxidil to hold onto what you have (assuming you respond to minoxidil. A lot of people don't). Then use fin at 17 or 18. If you still lose ground while on finasteride, try to switch over to dutasteride at 19 or 20. If you don't respond to minoxidil, mixing minoxidil with tretinoin and microneedling can turn some non-responders into responders. Endogenous dht is kinda overrated imo when it comes to masculinization, so 17-18 are safe ages to try a mild-ish dht inhibitor like finasteride (mild compared to dutasteride or things like androgen disruptors). Me personally, I'm so confident in my testosterone levels and just how small the actual role dht has that I'd take it at 16 if I could turn back time. Watch a lot of Kevin Mann's (haircafe) videos, it'll help you avoid nocebo if you ever decide to use finasteride.

@@HejskakajHdhdhsjs to save your hair to make sure it doesn’t get any worse, you’ll have to use the most aggressive treatments. Most likely 2.5mg dut daily, higher percentage of minoxidil topical or oral, maybe a topical anti androgen like fluridil as well. But since you’re younger it’s your decision if you want to crush DHT and inhibit some mechanisms in the body. So talk to your doctor about possible high % minoxidil and possibly look into on your own time, fluridil.

@@Aaayyyeeee214 Thank you for the advice🙏

@@braetenmccrea1272 Thank you

@@sujoydas2329 what Norwood pattern are you at ? I have a scale(picture)in my video. Though shedding around 50 hairs a day can be considered “normal” for around 200 hairs a day can be considered a normal shed. If you are noticing major shedding from the top of your head particularly in the Norwood pattern, then you may be experiencing first signs of aga.

@@braetenmccrea1272 200 is considered a normal shed? I thought it was only 50-100

@@SM-xb7xw *can be, 200 is high end normal, 50-100 is average and is most common. I was giving a rough example.

@@TheFishSeabass it’s definitely possible to gain some significant ground back. Even if you can’t gain it all back, a small transplant in the future will definitely get you back. Atleast you caught it now, better now than later!

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me go over these things, you are beyond remarkable as a human being and I truly think of you as a dear friend. You're such a positive and kind person and am so grateful that I found your videos. 1. I was really deeply thinking about your replies and was looking at the part you mentioned regarding DHT being paracrine and not just coming from one central location. It has been shown in trials where if a guy gets his nuts taken away that his hair loss should not occur especially during puberty time where DHT is so much higher like you said. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can also be created from other hormones, such as progesterone and 17α-hydroxyprogesterone. About 95% of a man's testosterone is produced in the testicles under the control of LH. The remaining 5% is produced in his adrenal glands. So even if you have androgenic alopecia but lost your nuts it will be vey hard to be noticed due to the small amount of testosterone converting into DHT that is only left. The main mechanism of FIN and DUT is not killing DHT directly but due to taking away the conversion from the enzyme 5ar that is what is needed before those main hormones I mentioned can be turned into DHT in any areas like the scalp or others. So if we can confirm through blood work that whatever dose you increase to that can fully let you have zero traces of serum DHT wouldn't you have no DHT in your whole body since the medication is systemic and not just applied locally and any DHT created wouldn't be possible since all the 5ar's processes are stopped?. Most DHT is produced in peripheral tissues like the skin and liver which you mentioned, whereas most circulating DHT originates specifically from the liver and isn't what dictates hair loss since the direct production at the scalp is what dictates it. The testes and prostate gland contribute relatively little to concentrations of DHT in blood circulation. Due to this fact, it is very hard to know what % of scalp DHT levels are present since there are no tests that can indicate it, except seeing visually your hair loss continue or stopping, which can be subjective in shorter timeframes and not fully accurate. This is really annoying since you never know if you are just in a temporary safe zone, a shed, or when your genetics progress more you keep losing ground. That anxiety of always never knowing if you have ended the Norwood reapers presence is terrifying to be honest. At any sudden point in your life the reaper may come and get your hair... From 0.5 DUT mg to 1.0 DUT mg there is a 22% increase in scalp DHT suppression. The reasons I mentioned 25 DUT mg previously to kill most if not all of DHT is that when you x 5 from the standard 0.5 mg of DUT which stops 92% of serum DHT (it was mentioned by someone as there have been different claims for what % is actually correct from studies) you only get up to 96% which is just a 4% increase. So to get to 100% lets just say 2.5 mg x 5 which is needing to take 12.5 DUT mg to get another 4% decrease in scalp DHT levels, but it is shown that whenever you increase DUT at higher doses you get much less gain in % for reduction. To be safe, using this formula I made which shows that every time you x 5 of the current dose there is a reduction of 5.5 times the next increased % amount. So if going from 2.5 DUT mg x 5 giving you 12.5 DUT mg that equals only 0.72% increase in DHT in serum reduction. So at 12.5 DUT mg you only are getting 96.72% decrease in DHT. In order to get a full 100% removal of DHT if this formula is deemed accurate, and just incase for any unknown reasons the increase in % is lowered more each time when you x 5 the dose, you need to count each increase reduction and estimate and cover the change where eventually to be for sure there is no more DHT you need at least 320 mg DUT to have full stoppage of serum DHT. We just estimate to have 0.5 each time % for ever x 5 in the current dose you are at to make it easier. 8 x 0.5 = 4% which is what is needed to get from 96% at 12.5 DUT mg to the 100%. 8 x 5 = 40 total 0.5 pill increases needed each time to get that 0.5 % estimated average increase. 40 x 8 (the layover and extra insurance for any kind of deviant reductions that may occur when increasing) = 320 DUT mg but let's just round to 400 mg to be fully sure. 0.1 mg = 70% x5 0.5 mg = 92% x5 2.5 mg = 96% x5 12.5 mg = 96.72% For scalp DHT reduction it seems to be a different ratio that occurs when you increase the dose by 5 x the increase % actually gets x by 1.47 each time of the previous. 0.1 mg = 32% x5 0.5 mg = 51% x5 2.5 mg = 79% x5 12.5 mg = 120.16%

If it continually increases the same way for scalp ratio or if the phenomena occurs where there is sudden drop in increase % when x 5 the current dose like seen in serum DHT levels, sadly it would be then only be a 86.48% reduction in DHT for the scalp at 12.5 DUT mg. So to get to 100% will require a way higher dose that would be super difficult to get in addition your the chance that your liver may not be able to handle so many pills being processed at once, you would need to down a whole bottle at that point and split it up during the day. Since DUT only have 0.5 gel capsules. A compound pharmacy won't go past 0.5 since of the FDA standards for DUT... So if you aren't super duper rich and don't mind paying that high out of pocket to get it or any liver issues, you are currently screwed if you have super severe balding genes. My only theory would be potentially getting DUT at the 2.5 - 5 mg dose directly be applied on the scalp after micro needling to let the local DHT production process be stopped. This may be difficult since the topicals available now only contain such low concentrations of DHT in it and is mixed with so many other things :( I have heard about DUT mesotherapy which is like PRP but just the needle injection contains DUT, but this needs to be done for a lifetime and may be very costly too. Frequency to be honest should be at least 1x a week to a month - since DUT stays longer in your system but once the DUT from the injection is lessened, DHT will always come back and continue your balding. Really wish they would make single tablets of DUT at the highest dose needed so your liver can handle it. That would be the cure, as long as you don't get sides which even if you do to be honest just take another pill to fix that haha. Hopefully if you have the 2% keto shampoo there are studies that show it stops androgen receptors from binding to DHT, so if it truly works and more is needed just apply it more often and higher amounts to hopefully work until no more balding is a chance. Especially if you already have significantly stopped DHT production with DUT. Do other androgens cause hair loss too (if DHT isn't present anymore)? What is your take on that? What are your thoughts on blood flow to the scalp and hair loss. I have DUPA too and know that the main claims for scalp tension is that somehow the Norwood scale is corresponding the exact same areas where there is the most scalp tension present, so if you can fix that you can fix balding. The areas on the sides where DUPA occurs aren't where the tightness is but you still lose hair and get thinning. So that would be an argument that blood supply doesn't dictate hair density solely. The issue is that due to androgenic alopecia your hair follicles are getting killed by DHT and slowly miniaturizing closing the port for the blood supply for hair needed. So in the scenario you solved the DHT issue, but don't see major hair growth on the areas supposedly to be really tight but do see growth on the sides where there is no immense tension mentioned, that could mean by doing scalp massages on top and loosening those muscles to get it like your sides or even going as far as getting Botox in those specific muscles hair should come out. In the situation your top and sides don't grow back after taking away all scalp DHT and confirm it, then there must be another reason for you balding that isn't related to androgens. One of topical MIN's features is to increase the blood supply, so theoretically that should be enough as long as it is absorbed. As long as no more hair isn't going away, but you still don't have density I guess you could just keep upping topically and also do oral within reason before you kill your blood pressure and pass out. Hopefully these extremes are not needed, but just a combination of all these treatments will work forever. Only by testing and time will tell truly. Man to think about it all, there is so much that goes into maintaining something as simple as "hair". I found out from the hair surgeon that the amounts of grafts that survive after a transplant are dictated on many factors which a significant aspect is the blood supply biologically present in your scalp. If your blood supply is weak, more grafts die and don't become permanent. Everyone only has so much that can be available regardless of what you do, in the case you fix DHT being present and simulate the scalp with MIN, but still no hair grows would scalp tension limiting blood then would scalp tension / effecting blood flow be the only reason for your hair not being returned to normal? With traction alopecia due to the tight pulling which resembles your muscles being contracted the hair loss occurs until the tension of the hairstyle / pulling of the hair is fixed and returning blood supply to your hair. If you agree, what are the ways you've tried scalp massaging and did you do it even days after micro needling? How often do you need to do it and for how long? Any specific methods? How often do you wash your hair, how much 2% keto and what is your exact technique, water temp, and process for your hair? Also if keto makes your hair too dry what do you do to try and fix that? How do you dry your hair and make sure no more hair loss occurs during washing and drying after? Do you think applying product like waxes in your hair is bad, since you may fidget with it a lot when adjusting the style and shape. Have you noticed your hair getting thicker in each strand and not miniaturizing getting smaller after all your treatments started?

@@RandomAccount-h1n it may be that way with DUT but not all dose applications play out in practical application. 2.5mg just seems to be the most effective for the dose size and tolerance in Literature I’ve seen. Plus anecdotally it’s working well for me. My hair is more dense, and I do not shed from the Norwood pattern anymore, for I have very aggressive aga. I personally haven’t encountered any liver issues. Plus I haven’t seen any literature of dut negatively affected the liver. Though there isn’t much data on it. There are many aga treatments in development. They have to go through testing, but some seem quite promising so I’m optimistic on the future for hair loss. Applying dut on the scalp after micro needling probably won’t do much since dut has a high molecular weight and won’t get far even with micro needling. If it does, then it will work just like oral dut since it will become systemic. Plus micro needling is just not the safest thing for your scalp long term. Dut mesotherapy may be promising, but it’s quite pricey. But i think it may work for a lot of individuals, power to them. If your testosterone is at a supraphysiological level, then it may cause aga. (The DHT conversion would destroy your hair more) but if you were on dut 2.5mg and taking 800 mg of testosterone weekly for example, the testosterone may cause aga. But that’s off topic, normal level testosterone does not cause hair loss. Blood flow to the scalp does not cause hair growth. Minoxidil works by potassium channels, yes it increases blood flow. Though minoxidil is the only vasodilator that cause major hair growth. There are many more potent vasodilators that don’t have this effect, minoxidils mechanism isn’t fully understood. Scalp tension and blood flow theory is something i personally don’t believe in. I tried the scalp messages when i was 17 and it did nothing but waste my time. DHT cuts off blood flow to the hair follicle this is an indirect cause. So dealing with DHT is the problem for people with androgenic alopecia. The scalp tension theory and blood flow theory have been outdated for about a century, it’s a thing of the past and a waste of time to look into. This is my humble opinion. I wash my hair daily. I don’t measure my ketoconazole shampoo, I use a palm full that covers my head and hair well. I use colder water on my hair when I get it wet and rinse. My hair doesn’t get dry from ketoconazole shampoo, i use it 3-4 times a week, with conditioners in between those days. I air dry my hair, only a couple hairs that I see fall out in the shower; very little now, almost nothing. Hair waxes may work well for people, it’s cosmetic so it depends. Some people it may do good for their hair, while others may not do so well. Maybe allergic reactions and etc. I haven’t looked to deep into waxes. I personally have not looked too deeply at each of my hairs, but i shed very little now. They are more thick now than when I was on fin and when I was 17.

@@braetenmccrea1272 Thank you so much for responding bro! 1. I was really deeply thinking about your replies and was looking at the part you mentioned regarding DHT being paracrine and not just coming from one central location. It has been shown in trials where if a guy gets his nuts taken away that his hair loss should not occur especially during puberty time where DHT is so much higher like you said. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can also be created from other hormones, such as progesterone and 17α-hydroxyprogesterone. About 95% of a man's testosterone is produced in the testicles under the control of LH. The remaining 5% is produced in his adrenal glands. So even if you have androgenic alopecia but lost your nuts it will be vey hard to be noticed due to the small amount of testosterone converting into DHT that is only left. The main mechanism of FIN and DUT is not killing DHT directly but due to taking away the conversion from the enzyme 5ar that is what is needed before those main hormones I mentioned can be turned into DHT in any areas like the scalp or others. So if we can confirm through blood work that whatever dose you increase to that can fully let you have zero traces of serum DHT wouldn't you have no DHT in your whole body since the medication is systemic and not just applied locally and any DHT created wouldn't be possible since all the 5ar's processes are stopped?. Most DHT is produced in peripheral tissues like the skin and liver which you mentioned, whereas most circulating DHT originates specifically from the liver and isn't what dictates hair loss since the direct production at the scalp is what dictates it. The testes and prostate gland contribute relatively little to concentrations of DHT in blood circulation. Due to this fact, it is very hard to know what % of scalp DHT levels are present since there are no tests that can indicate it, except seeing visually your hair loss continue or stopping, which can be subjective in shorter timeframes and not fully accurate. This is really annoying since you never know if you are just in a temporary safe zone, a shed, or when your genetics progress more you keep losing ground. That anxiety of always never knowing if you have ended the Norwood reapers presence is terrifying to be honest. At any sudden point in your life the reaper may come and get your hair... From 0.5 DUT mg to 1.0 DUT mg there is a 22% increase in scalp DHT suppression. The reasons I mentioned 25 DUT mg previously to kill most if not all of DHT is that when you x 5 from the standard 0.5 mg of DUT which stops 92% of serum DHT (it was mentioned by someone as there have been different claims for what % is actually correct from studies) you only get up to 96% which is just a 4% increase. So to get to 100% lets just say 2.5 mg x 5 which is needing to take 12.5 DUT mg to get another 4% decrease in scalp DHT levels, but it is shown that whenever you increase DUT at higher doses you get much less gain in % for reduction. To be safe, using this formula I made which shows that every time you x 5 of the current dose there is a reduction of 5.5 times the next increased % amount. So if going from 2.5 DUT mg x 5 giving you 12.5 DUT mg that equals only 0.72% increase in DHT in serum reduction. So at 12.5 DUT mg you only are getting 96.72% decrease in DHT. In order to get a full 100% removal of DHT if this formula is deemed accurate, and just incase for any unknown reasons the increase in % is lowered more each time when you x 5 the dose, you need to count each increase reduction and estimate and cover the change where eventually to be for sure there is no more DHT you need at least 320 mg DUT to have full stoppage of serum DHT. We just estimate to have 0.5 each time % for ever x 5 in the current dose you are at to make it easier. 8 x 0.5 = 4% which is what is needed to get from 96% at 12.5 DUT mg to the 100%. 8 x 5 = 40 total 0.5 pill increases needed each time to get that 0.5 % estimated average increase. 40 x 8 (the layover and extra insurance for any kind of deviant reductions that may occur when increasing) = 320 DUT mg but let's just round to 400 mg to be fully sure. 0.1 mg = 70% x5 0.5 mg = 92% x5 2.5 mg = 96% x5 12.5 mg = 96.72% For scalp DHT reduction it seems to be a different ratio that occurs when you increase the dose by 5 x the increase % actually gets x by 1.47 each time of the previous. 0.1 mg = 32% x5 0.5 mg = 51% x5 2.5 mg = 79% x5 12.5 mg = 120.16%

I did not. Even though I definitely wish I did, to check PSA levels, but I wanted to start dut asap. At the time I wasn’t wanting to wait and pay for blood work and panels. for the future, I do get bloods for checking in on health. If you are skeptical and want to take precautions then yes I recommend.

pfs isn't real buddy

@@slxwrxin it isnt?

@@slxwrxinit is. You’re 100% wrong and causing serious damage to a community of truly suffering people by not believing their retold experiences. Because people don’t believe PFS is real no doctor knows how to treat it and there’s zero support for having PFS/PSSD

The incident rate of side effects from finasteride during high quality studies were comparable in both the placebo group and the actual test group. This means people who were just taking sugar pills had the same chance to develop side effects as the people who were taking actual real fin during the experiment. Just thinking about side effects they heard about, gave them side effects even though they never held let alone took the medication in the first place. Pfs is probably real, but it's 100% caused by their own brain rather than something that's physically wrong. Fin is completely out of your system 1 week after discontinuation, dht levels go back to baseline. No measurable physical differences can be discerned at all. The extreme side effect cases such as with men that develop gyno happen because fin increases testosterone which very rarely in some men who are especially sensitive to estrogen can cause gyno to develop due to the increased estrogen that follows an increase in testosterone. This is very very rare tho, so I think it's worth the risk as gyno can be surgically removed. Embarrassing for sure, but if you aren't willing to risk the 0.01% chance of you not being the few estrogen sensitive men to keep your hair then just shave it bro. Either get a hair system or rock the bald look cause even with a hair transplant they often prescribe finasteride to avoid the newly transplanted hair follicles from being eroded by dht. The hairs that are transplanted are dht resistant, not immune.

@@Aaayyyeeee214 pfs is real be careful

@@Thatguy91187 like have a account? I don’t believe so, but I’ve logged in as a guest before to look at threads.

@@Thatguy91187 how old are you? What do you all use in your protocol?

@@braetenmccrea1272 I'm 18 and I'm on dut and min

@@braetenmccrea1272 I'm 18 and I'm on dut and min

@@marios377 It may be just as effective as 1mg daily for some individuals. But some individuals may need more of a consistent dose that keeps DHT conversion in the scalp low. 1mg 3x a week of fin is what I did when I first started when I was 18, so I’m for it.

@@josdrop I’ll probably do something like this in the future, like a routine.

PART 2/2 If it continually increases the same way for scalp ratio or if the phenomena occurs where there is sudden drop in increase % when x 5 the current dose like seen in serum DHT levels, sadly it would be then only be a 86.48% reduction in DHT for the scalp at 12.5 DUT mg. So to get to 100% will require a way higher dose that would be super difficult to get in addition your the chance that your liver may not be able to handle so many pills being processed at once, you would need to down a whole bottle at that point and split it up during the day. Since DUT only have 0.5 gel capsules. A compound pharmacy won't go past 0.5 since of the FDA standards for DUT... So if you aren't super duper rich and don't mind paying that high out of pocket to get it or any liver issues, you are currently screwed if you have super severe balding genes. My only theory would be potentially getting DUT at the 2.5 - 5 mg dose directly be applied on the scalp after micro needling to let the local DHT production process be stopped. This may be difficult since the topicals available now only contain such low concentrations of DHT in it and is mixed with so many other things :( I have heard about DUT mesotherapy which is like PRP but just the needle injection contains DUT, but this needs to be done for a lifetime and may be very costly too. Frequency to be honest should be at least 1x a week to a month - since DUT stays longer in your system but once the DUT from the injection is lessened, DHT will always come back and continue your balding. Really wish they would make single tablets of DUT at the highest dose needed so your liver can handle it. That would be the cure, as long as you don't get sides which even if you do to be honest just take another pill to fix that haha. Hopefully if you have the 2% keto shampoo there are studies that show it stops androgen receptors from binding to DHT, so if it truly works and more is needed just apply it more often and higher amounts to hopefully work until no more balding is a chance. Especially if you already have significantly stopped DHT production with DUT. Do other androgens cause hair loss too (if DHT isn't present anymore)? What is your take on that? What are your thoughts on blood flow to the scalp and hair loss. I have DUPA too and know that the main claims for scalp tension is that somehow the Norwood scale is corresponding the exact same areas where there is the most scalp tension present, so if you can fix that you can fix balding. The areas on the sides where DUPA occurs aren't where the tightness is but you still lose hair and get thinning. So that would be an argument that blood supply doesn't dictate hair density solely. The issue is that due to androgenic alopecia your hair follicles are getting killed by DHT and slowly miniaturizing closing the port for the blood supply for hair needed. So in the scenario you solved the DHT issue, but don't see major hair growth on the areas supposedly to be really tight but do see growth on the sides where there is no immense tension mentioned, that could mean by doing scalp massages on top and loosening those muscles to get it like your sides or even going as far as getting Botox in those specific muscles hair should come out. In the situation your top and sides don't grow back after taking away all scalp DHT and confirm it, then there must be another reason for you balding that isn't related to androgens. One of topical MIN's features is to increase the blood supply, so theoretically that should be enough as long as it is absorbed. As long as no more hair isn't going away, but you still don't have density I guess you could just keep upping topically and also do oral within reason before you kill your blood pressure and pass out. Hopefully these extremes are not needed, but just a combination of all these treatments will work forever. Only by testing and time will tell truly. Man to think about it all, there is so much that goes into maintaining something as simple as "hair". I found out from the hair surgeon that the amounts of grafts that survive after a transplant are dictated on many factors which a significant aspect is the blood supply biologically present in your scalp. If your blood supply is weak, more grafts die and don't become permanent. Everyone only has so much that can be available regardless of what you do, in the case you fix DHT being present and simulate the scalp with MIN, but still no hair grows would scalp tension limiting blood then would scalp tension / effecting blood flow be the only reason for your hair not being returned to normal? With traction alopecia due to the tight pulling which resembles your muscles being contracted the hair loss occurs until the tension of the hairstyle / pulling of the hair is fixed and returning blood supply to your hair. If you agree, what are the ways you've tried scalp massaging and did you do it even days after micro needling? How often do you need to do it and for how long? Any specific methods? How often do you wash your hair, how much 2% keto and what is your exact technique, water temp, and process for your hair? Also if keto makes your hair too dry what do you do to try and fix that? How do you dry your hair and make sure no more hair loss occurs during washing and drying after? Do you think applying product like waxes in your hair is bad, since you may fidget with it a lot when adjusting the style and shape. Have you noticed your hair getting thicker in each strand and not miniaturizing getting smaller after all your treatments started?v

Hey Braeten, just wanted to kindly follow up and see if you had a chance to see my latest questions I sent 2 weeks ago? Looking forward to hearing from you bro!

Would like to see if you still develop a good beard despite being on 2.5 mg dutasteride daily

@@andresroman9544 will be eventually, yes, we shall see if I do.

@@RandomAccount-h1n thank you, it means a lot, i appreciate it. Here are some answers to your questions 1. There is really no “max dose” of Dut for it was tested in studies at a way higher dose than 2.5mg. Though any higher than 2.5mg, it doesn’t seem to crush much more serum or scalp DHT. 5mg was a little higher but not significant. I’m taking 5 avodart (0.5mg) Dut capsules daily. I have a large supply of avodart. Titration of Dut from fin was slow, I was taking fin everyday with Dut for about a month, then I stopped everyday fin, to just once every 3 days. Then a week, then no more just 0.5mg Dut daily. When I went into 2.5mg Dut weekly, it was fin every day besides the 2.5mg Dut dose day. Then it eventually was 2.5mg Dut daily, no more fin. I noticed quick changes with 2.5mg Dut daily in density for I am aggressive diffuse thinner. 2. No more fin. Been about a little over half a year without it. 3. ^^ but when I first started fin, it was 1 mg every 3 days. Then slowly implemented 1mg daily. 4. I did not get a serum DHT panel before fin or after, for I was only 18. I wasn’t educated enough to get proper blood and none of my peers told me anything either. My doctor didn’t think it was anything to worry about, so getting it tested was apparently just a waste. Plus my insurance didn’t want to cover it, so that was money out of my hand that I sure didn’t want to spend, I was a broke 18 year old. So no blood work for a while. Looking back at it, I personally think I should have, but I wasn’t as educated. My serum DHT now, on 2.5mg Dut, is undetectable. 5. My body responds well with zero DHT so I have no use for it. My entire family is quite hairy when it comes to body hair, even back hair, which I do not want. My body hair just grows slower now with zero DHT which is nice. Plus 2 out of 4 of my uncles have or had enlarged prostates, So I am definitely genetically prone. Getting a scalp DHT blood test is quite troublesome and prb expensive, so I will not bother testing it out. In the literature 2.5mg DHT crushes around 80% scalp DHT. My diffuse thinning is gone and I’ve even grown back some scalp hair. So I’d like to believe my scalp DHT level is quite low. 6. There’s many articles, meta analysis and just literature in general where I’ve seen endocrinologists and other doctors agree that DHT doesn’t do much after puberty, for some individuals it may be a nuisance and or bad for their health(prostate for example). It just seems to grow more body hair, cause Androgenic alopecia and BPH. 7. Five alpha reductase inhibitors(fin and dut) plus minoxidil 5% topical. 8. I do not microneedle anymore. I stopped about a year ago. When I did, it was 0.5mm to 1.mm weekly. I used a machine, not a pen or roller, it was 9 needles. That I would clean every use with isopropyl 99%. I would actually apply minoxidil the same day I microneedled, typically right after sometimes, not the smartest move. for it could possibly become more systemic, but I was not as educated and i still noticed growth so I continued this for 2 1/2 years since 18. I don’t microneedle due to scalp scarring possibility, and microneedling not being the best for the scalp long term. Though I do apply minoxidil 5% daily still. -more holes doesn’t always mean more hair, it’s about having more minoxidil absorption to make it work more for “non responders”. The so called triggering “growth factors” from plain micro needling I believe is flawed In the literature and studies, from what I’ve read and seen. So I don’t support anymore. -minoxidil can’t make completely miniaturized hair follicles on the scalp (too far gone individuals like Nw5-7) grow back. It can bring back some certain vellus hairs to become terminal. That’s why it grows dense thick hair on people’s bodies, and facial hair/beards. 9. I have shed less on 2.5mg dut. I noticed the most shedding when first starting 1mg fin. It was intense for a couple months, but eventually slowed down. Before I started any treatment like five alpha reductase inhibitors, I was losing so many hairs in the shower daily, it was insane. Probably hundreds, and they were mostly all thinning hairs as well. If I missed anything or you have any more questions, just lmk!

​@@braetenmccrea1272 Hey Bro, you really made my entire day... Even though we haven't met in real life, it feels like you are like a best homie taking me through this difficult time, just by learning more about your journey makes it so much less intimidating and frustrating. 1. One of the biggest things that I was shocked to hear from the DERM after being diagnosed with Androgenic Alopecia is that no matter what 5ar you take, even at the higher doses you still will go bald but just at a slower rate. There is no cure is what he has claimed :( That made me feel so upset, feeling like your hair as if it was a relationship with a girl, will end regardless of what kind of things you do to try and make it last forever. Do you think your current routine and dose of DUT will cure your hair loss forever or will you need to do something else to truly stop hair loss? What is your plan? What is your take and plan to stop hair loss for you forever without worrying about it progressing? 2. I tried to ask my doctor for 2.5 mg DUT but was refused upon this request since he said nothing past 0.5 mg has been used and he ain't wanna risk his practice by doing it. How did you be able to get DUT (only comes in 0.5mg Capsules max) at 2.5 daily? You would be needing to take 5 capsules right? I am not afraid of sides, just worried on what way I can be able to get it... 3. Would you say your current hair is more dense than you started losing any hair? Stay in touch bro you are the best, lets beat androgenic alopecia and win this battle!!!!

Hi Braeten, I am so happy to hear back from you it literally made my day and beyond!!! All your videos make me feel like I have a very close friend by my side during this hair loss journey, which helps so much especially when it was so shocking to me as I am the same age as you. You are really an genuine + kind person bro. 1. I really wanted to get 2.5 mg DUT daily, but no dermatologist has been willing to give that high of a dose for androgenic alopecia even when it is a very severe case. The most they said that it is approved for is only 0.5 mg. - How did you get the 2.5 mg DUT daily be prescribed? How expensive and what is the specific place/brand you get? 2. I was so sad to hear when the dermatologist said if you have the genetics for androgenic alopecia, even with the highest doses of 5ar and growth stimulants you still will eventually go bald. There is no cure for this. Do you agree or disagree with that claim? - What is your plan to ensure you never lose more hair down the line anymore when older (long term plan) ? 4. If DHT is the reason for hair loss in men, then if you have no DHT left from taking whatever dose of DUT that will fully take DHT out your blood and scalp = wouldn't you be cured forever or not? - Any other reasons except literal health issues that cause more hair loss that is from androgens or lifestyle? - Can stress and lack of sleep really make that much of a difference for your hair loss? - Water filter for hard water or any other chemical water filter help or you don't think it does anything for the hair? 5. I was so happy to hear that you have no more DHT after taking 2.5 mg DUT. There has been a lot of different claims for how much DUT at 0.5 - 2.5 mg daily lowers your serum DHT level. I thought you at least needed like 25 mg of DUT daily to have 100% DHT suppression. - If your DHT is zero and not detected in blood works, would that means there should be zero of DHT in your scalp = no more balding forever? 7. Do you think DHT could randomly rise up even when on meds down the line? 8. You mentioned that you take 3 ML Topical MIN at night, does doing even more = more hair and speed it will grow back? Will you body get used to it and need to add more later? 9. What is your technique for applying the MIN, especially now you have so much hair? Like how do you make sure it gets all your scalp and isn't leaking or wasted? Do you have a way to make your hair be parted and count the drips in each area then massage it? 10. How will you be able to know if it is just a shed or more balding before you up your dose? 11. When you noticed any sides, did it physically have any pain or un-normal things go on down there? Should you fight through that stage and sides should go away later on? Any new sides that occur after all this time that you noted? 12. Can you say that your hair is better than before you started losing hair density after all the treatment you done now? - You were able to save your hairline, do you think if you never micro needled you would of saved your temple recession just with MIN only? 13. You got super good skin and tone, what kind of skin care routine do you do and when did you start if so? 14. Have you worried about your prostate getting smaller since the whole effect of 5ar drugs is to make it smaller (only when it is enlarged though) how would you monitor this? 15. Do you think blood work will help predict potential sides like man tits or ED? Or it isn't possible? 16. What kind of things did you doctor do to be sure of the diagnosing you with androgenic alopecia? Was there anything else they said was causing your hair loss? When I saw your reply in my notifications I was so hyped and grateful... Looking forward to continue fighting this hair loss battle due to your inspiration :) We will beat hair loss forever!!!

@@RandomAccount-h1n thank you, it’s much appreciated. 1. I technically have not been prescribed 2.5mg DUT directly, I take 5 avodart capsules at one time. I use Strut mainly but sometimes I switch to other telemedicine companies. It’s about $200 dollars a month. 2. I don’t completely agree, for example if you castrate someone they won’t go bald. Obviously I don’t recommend that, but 2.5mg dut crushes DHT, which is the most problematic and androgenic hormone, which crushes about 80% scalp DHT. if you mix with minoxidil and maybe anti androgens on the scalp, even the most aggressive cases of androgenic alopecia can be stopped I believe. Though that’s in theory, I don’t completely know. 3. my plan long term is to stay on dut 2.5mg until other treatments become available, hopefully something like GT20029. Hopefully it will be promising and work well. Or something being developed and tested will work to cure male patterned baldness. 4. No. Because five alpha five alpha reductase activity will always occur, DHT will always be produced, it’s paracrine, so DHT just stays in tissue and the hair follicles, for example. -some unhealthy lifestyle factors like drinking and smoking can cause hair follicles to prematurely shed and may cause telogen effluvium. some environmental factors plays a role, but it’s a lower percentage. Hair loss, especially androgenic alopecia is mostly genetic factors. -Can for certain individuals but it’s rare. So not that big of a worry for most people. -May help with cosmetic look of hair, but this is something that you would look into after you are on treatment and just want to have higher quality healthy looking hair. 5. You don’t need 25mg of DUT to completely wipe of DHT. Some people get complete suppression through just 0.5mg dut. Others may have minor acute traces from conversation through back door pathways, typically through adrenals. It depends on the individual, for some people they will have completely undetected DHT from 5mg fin, it can happen. You also have to take SHBG in consideration as well. DHT has a way higher binding affinity, so that means it binds to SHBG a lot more than testosterone for example. Free DHT is what causes most of androgenic effects seen. -No. sadly I wish it worked like that. scalp DHT levels don’t fully correlate with serum DHT levels. For example 1mg fin crushes around 70% serum DHT but only 40% scalp DHT. The crushed serum DHT from 2.5.mg Dut with 80% scalp DHT inhibition shown in literature also shows this. I believe this is due to higher type 2 five alpha reductase enzyme density in the scalp, as well as DHT being paracrine, possibly. 7. On 2.5mg dut, No, Technically impossible. Unless some new evolutionary mechanism or something develops lol 8. Your body doesn’t get used to minoxidil, more minoxidil means you can have more of the drugs affect shown, more is absorbed. 3-6ml daily seems to be the sweet spot, any more or less may be insignificant, a waste, or not work the same for most individuals. Though not everyone responds to the same amount and dose of minoxidil, so it can be titrated on the persons needs. 9. I have a very fast drying minoxidil that dries in minutes. I use a dropper, very easy to apply to my scalp. I just part hair, and the dropper is thin and can easily touch my scalp. I’m not too particular on how many drops on what area, but I go by a ml on my right widows peak side, a ml on my left, and a ml on my crown. 3 total ml once a day. 10. I have dupa, so diffuse thinning. so I can tell how much diffuse thinning I’m having, and when i noticed I was “balding” those hairs were being pulled out in the shower way more than other hairs. They were also thinner, and shorter. 11. When I first started fin It affected my sex drive in the fact I just cared less about sex and pursuing women. I never particularly had ED or libido problems. It’s gone away on its own, it didn’t last for a long period. No sides, besides maybe less body acne/body hair growth has slowed. 12. Yes for sure. I have better hair now than when I was 16-17. - hmm, good question. Not sure, I’d like to say micro needling and minoxidil grew back a lot of hair, especially crown and temporal area. I’d say it probably wouldn’t be as good if I never started. 13. I have a skincare routine video on my channel if you’d like to check it out. It’s a lot more detailed. Though my skincare routine is not very complex atm, in the future when I get older and more educated it definitely will be. 14. I’m not worrying about it too much. A too small of prostate isn’t on my worries. I will get PSA test in blood work(I may have to come off five ar inhibitors for this), or xray for check ups. Also there is no recorded history in my family of prostate cancer, but there’s enlarged prostate genetics for sure, my uncles were on avodart actually. 15. I had puberty induced gyno, and it’s gone away since using dut. I’d to say it’s because of the increase of testosterone dut may cause. But yes ofc, Blood work is needed to tell if you’d develop these side effects, talk to your doctor(s). I recommend. 16. My doctor didn’t diagnose me at all. None of my family thought I was experiencing male patterned baldness either. This is because curly hair covers up a lot, so I was the only one who could see how bad it was getting. (wet hair, oiled up hair, etc). I knew I was sure from I was losing hair in the exact Norwood Hamilton scale. I was 16-17 when I noticed, I started noticing extreme changes when I started working out and taking creatine. My hair was thinning extremely fast on the top of my head, and shedding like crazy. I also noticed a large increase in Johnson growth (tmi, but i believe this is important to note, because I believe I was having a major increase in DHT production) I tried all the non hormonal remedies, scalp messages, supplements, this and that etc. Did nothing, until I started fin when I was 18. Then i noticed change. I got a fin prescription from a pretty easily obtained telemedicine consultation btw. Hopefully these answers are helpful for you and your fight against male patterned baldness, I wish you well.

@@braetenmccrea1272 PART 1/2 Braeten, It always brightens my day up when you respond, always extremely appreciated bro. You are the best! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me go over these things, you are beyond remarkable as a human being and I truly think of you as a dear friend. You're such a positive and kind person and am so grateful that I found your videos. 1. I was really deeply thinking about your replies and was looking at the part you mentioned regarding DHT being paracrine and not just coming from one central location. It has been shown in trials where if a guy gets his nuts taken away that his hair loss should not occur especially during puberty time where DHT is so much higher like you said. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can also be created from other hormones, such as progesterone and 17α-hydroxyprogesterone. About 95% of a man's testosterone is produced in the testicles under the control of LH. The remaining 5% is produced in his adrenal glands. So even if you have androgenic alopecia but lost your nuts it will be vey hard to be noticed due to the small amount of testosterone converting into DHT that is only left. The main mechanism of FIN and DUT is not killing DHT directly but due to taking away the conversion from the enzyme 5ar that is what is needed before those main hormones I mentioned can be turned into DHT in any areas like the scalp or others. So if we can confirm through blood work that whatever dose you increase to that can fully let you have zero traces of serum DHT wouldn't you have no DHT in your whole body since the medication is systemic and not just applied locally and any DHT created wouldn't be possible since all the 5ar's processes are stopped?. Most DHT is produced in peripheral tissues like the skin and liver which you mentioned, whereas most circulating DHT originates specifically from the liver and isn't what dictates hair loss since the direct production at the scalp is what dictates it. The testes and prostate gland contribute relatively little to concentrations of DHT in blood circulation. Due to this fact, it is very hard to know what % of scalp DHT levels are present since there are no tests that can indicate it, except seeing visually your hair loss continue or stopping, which can be subjective in shorter timeframes and not fully accurate. This is really annoying since you never know if you are just in a temporary safe zone, a shed, or when your genetics progress more you keep losing ground. That anxiety of always never knowing if you have ended the Norwood reapers presence is terrifying to be honest. At any sudden point in your life the reaper may come and get your hair... From 0.5 DUT mg to 1.0 DUT mg there is a 22% increase in scalp DHT suppression. The reasons I mentioned 25 DUT mg previously to kill most if not all of DHT is that when you x 5 from the standard 0.5 mg of DUT which stops 92% of serum DHT (it was mentioned by someone as there have been different claims for what % is actually correct from studies) you only get up to 96% which is just a 4% increase. So to get to 100% lets just say 2.5 mg x 5 which is needing to take 12.5 DUT mg to get another 4% decrease in scalp DHT levels, but it is shown that whenever you increase DUT at higher doses you get much less gain in % for reduction. To be safe, using this formula I made which shows that every time you x 5 of the current dose there is a reduction of 5.5 times the next increased % amount. So if going from 2.5 DUT mg x 5 giving you 12.5 DUT mg that equals only 0.72% increase in DHT in serum reduction. So at 12.5 DUT mg you only are getting 96.72% decrease in DHT. In order to get a full 100% removal of DHT if this formula is deemed accurate, and just incase for any unknown reasons the increase in % is lowered more each time when you x 5 the dose, you need to count each increase reduction and estimate and cover the change where eventually to be for sure there is no more DHT you need at least 320 mg DUT to have full stoppage of serum DHT. We just estimate to have 0.5 each time % for ever x 5 in the current dose you are at to make it easier. 8 x 0.5 = 4% which is what is needed to get from 96% at 12.5 DUT mg to the 100%. 8 x 5 = 40 total 0.5 pill increases needed each time to get that 0.5 % estimated average increase. 40 x 8 (the layover and extra insurance for any kind of deviant reductions that may occur when increasing) = 320 DUT mg but let's just round to 400 mg to be fully sure. 0.1 mg = 70% x5 0.5 mg = 92% x5 2.5 mg = 96% x5 12.5 mg = 96.72% For scalp DHT reduction it seems to be a different ratio that occurs when you increase the dose by 5 x the increase % actually gets x by 1.47 each time of the previous. 0.1 mg = 32% x5 0.5 mg = 51% x5 2.5 mg = 79% x5 12.5 mg = 120.16%

@@zombo1885 thank you! And yeah you can yes, though I believe finasteride will be doing most of the DHT blocking, but it doesn’t hurt to mix the two.

@@muhammadosama4707 yes, I use the brand “intelligent” ketoconazole shampoo.

@@jonanthony6078 for me, probably about a month, i noticed a lot less diffuse thinning. People who aren’t diffuse thinners will most likely have to wait longer to see true results.

@@nikolastojanovic7440 he’s definitely a big inspiration, him and Kwrx. Thank you, I’ll keep it up.

@@slxwrxin thank you ! I have a video on my channel that covers my routine for hair and skin, if you’re interested

Not personally a fan of it, nor do I believe it’s actually that effective. I actually have a video on the popular and common ingredients in nutrafol and how they are not very effective in stopping hair loss.

@@miyak5750 DHT is dead yes, T has gone up, my strength and leanness has gone up. I’ll be making a video on how DUT can be anabolic soon.

@@braetenmccrea1272 w Bro but try voice maxxing

@@maalikserebryakov thanks bro😭

This drug destroyed my life and many others

@@joshua.johnson hmm not particularly, no. It made my hair thicker, but sadly not more curly lol. Interesting anecdote though

@@yannick_yt interesting, I have heard about the collagen synthesis side effect it may have and aging skin. Though I didn’t look into it too deeply, but I definitely should! Good to hear you’re back on topical.

sounds like you are a baldcel

​@@leonardoschenkelsouza4241 little donkey

@@jeremiahtruman9710 I actually cut my own hair! I just trim it up when wet, nothing crazy. But when I had a thinner widows peak of hair, I would blend the sides, then the top of my hair where it was more dense would cover/lay on my thinner areas. Kind of hard to explain lol

@@mujahedabdulkarem7268 nope. There’s an oral minoxidil drug, it’s prescribed.

@@andyjgreenwood never have I seen or heard anything about Dut affecting the heart. No literature seen yet so far.

It's actually good for the heart.