Just a peanut gallery comment here. Not a personal attack. You are fitting this modern drivetrain to a vintage car, while you should be fitting the vintage car to this modern drivetrain. This is a case were you can't beat the BMW factory setup. You shouldn't do the external 8hp controller, or a standalone ecu, or fueling, or whatever else you are going to spend thousands and thousands on to try to make this work over the next 3 years. I see so much of this crap. You are going to add a solid year or more to this project trying to get all of your aftermarket control to "play nice", and still have a car that will have drivability issues. The aftermarket 8HP controllers are mid, at best. Same with most aftermarket controllers you may be looking at to manage that V12. They are totally fine for drift, race, and drag cars, though. Builders and fabricators completely neglect the fact that BMW already did virtually EVERYTHING you need for you. One of the few I've seen who totally understands this is Chris from B-is-for-build. Sure, his fit and finish isn't ever fantastic. But look at what he did with the S550 mustang and the BMW V10 powered datsun Z for an idea of what I am on about. His approach is not to modernize the old car with new stuff. It is to antiquate the new stuff with the old body. If you had driven a stock G12 M760i you'd quickly realize what you are going to be missing out on. You probably spent more on that used engine alone than a complete running, wrecked M760i sells for at Copart or IAAI. You should have just bought a complete wrecked M760i, taken the Kombi, the BDC2 module, both DMES, the engine, the fuel pumps, wiring harnesses, the transmission and anything else you want from that donor car and grafted them into the 850i shell. Hell, the subframes and EPS could be made to fit easier than it will be to find a custom solution for the E31 steering with that N74 in the way. You are already to the point where you are talking about cutting up frame rails, so what does it matter? You aren't preserving more than the shape of the car, and the stock interior anyway. With those items, some frankensteining b-is-for-build-datsun-z-style, and a little BMW esys programming you would have had a turn key swap that actually worked well so you could then focus on the other fine details of the build. Not to mention, you'd have had an anti-theft/immobilizer that actually works and can't be cracked by any tool as of today. You could even have an emission compliant swap at the end of the day. All packaged more effectively than any of us ever could manage without a team of engineers working on it for 10 years. The stock DMEs have a fantastic tune that will twist that E31 in half. And if it isn't enough, there are tons of off the shelf tunes for those DMEs that can get you near the numbers you want. Not to mention the crazy amount of I/O the stock DMEs offer that absolutely will not be found in any standalone setup under 30 grand. Much less one that will communicate well with the transmission. High-pressure fuel management, oil pressure management, charge management, engine cooling management, A/C? the list goes on. So many reasons to use the stock DME and required modules. The stock 8HP95 from that M760i can handle more torque than you could ever throw at it with that V12 on stock turbos, and can easily be converted for RWD output only. Even better, it's already tuned and programmed PERFECTLY for that engine application. If you have any gripes with that, there are again many off the shelf upgrades and tunes that can easily change that. Need anything else like battery management? Power distribution control? It's right there in the donor car. pre-engineered, pre-packaged, ready to be adapted. Just suggesting you take a step back for a wider view, if you actually want to finish this project. BMW already did all of the hard stuff for you, yet here you are trying to reinvent the wheel. Clearly you see the benefit of using the factory engine and accessories, because BMW did it more efficiently than any of us ever could without spending 300,000 dollars. So what I am asking: why stop there? Your time would be spent treating the 850i as a moldable shell to modify, rather than treating that marvel of a v12 drivetrain as the moldable item. We are talking a job of general fabrication, design, and programming to make a near ready-to-run package fit VS you trying to completely reengineer, modify, retrofit, and troubleshoot one of the most complex drivetrains on earth to work in a car designed 50 years ago, THEN still have to do the fabrication, design, and programming... It's a no brainer dawg. Best of luck with the project. I respect just forcing your way through it to get it done though, even if it seems like the hard way in my experience. I hope you finish it at this rate. It breaks my heart to see how many of these projects start strong, seemingly great, then they slowly fizzle out until we never hear about them again. Maybe a video of them starting on a dyno one day, and then silence for 7 years after as they realize they bit off more than they can chew with a complete cluster they have created and can't finish. You know how it is. You see the car in the background of every video taking up a lift space in a working auto shop for years and years. -Keyboard warrior
@robetassakinis27025 күн бұрын
gj
@BasicType11 күн бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@RyanHankey14 күн бұрын
Ya know what? Usually, the cars look like shit when they use this sound. Bit that thing looks tight my man.
@offcamberautosportshop10 күн бұрын
Appreciate you man thanks!
@nsfvw16915 күн бұрын
💪💪
@petermmm4218 күн бұрын
beautiful car
@wangshuokevin21 күн бұрын
I don’t think people are cross shopping a new M5 with these due to the price difference. Rich vs broke that sort of things
@offcamberautosportshop21 күн бұрын
You would be surprised, the vintage M5s have gone up significantly in value over the past few years. We thought this would be an interesting video since all 3 cars were in the shop at the same time...
@telbor337821 күн бұрын
because of rust...
@offcamberautosportshop21 күн бұрын
Vintage German cars don't rust, they just gain a fine patina.... :)
@telbor337820 күн бұрын
@@offcamberautosportshop man I am German and I had an E36 a couple years ago :D it was a kind of love-hate relationship, but it drove fantastically!
@offcamberautosportshop16 күн бұрын
@@telbor3378 Great cars, one of our favorites but we know the feeling haha! Glad you enjoyed them as well!
@nate790622 күн бұрын
There is no such thing as a “2024 M5”🤦♂️
@offcamberautosportshop21 күн бұрын
The worldwide launch of the new M5 will start in November 2024, alongside the new BMW M5 Touring. www.bmw-m.com/en/all-models/overview-m-and-m-performance/bmw-m5-sedan/2024/bmw-m5-sedan.html
@nate790621 күн бұрын
@@offcamberautosportshop it will be a 2025 model year….
@teambronski24 күн бұрын
Great vid.
@offcamberautosportshop23 күн бұрын
Thanks hope you enjoyed it!
@natesworld47728 күн бұрын
firee
@JMSouthern29 күн бұрын
Now that’s a WANG
@decembersveryown593529 күн бұрын
Nope, still an ugly ass porsche.
@josuelozoya159929 күн бұрын
I bet you own a pt cruiser
@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbagsАй бұрын
I had one
@graham7513Ай бұрын
Is the swap running?
@eam3618Ай бұрын
Nice video, love the 190e but both cars are historic
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
Agreed - Both absolutely awesome cars!
@LochyPАй бұрын
Cost me just £80 per caliper to get them coated. Looks awesome 2 years later.
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
Agreed, the results are very nice!
@DRIFTA999Ай бұрын
Just my opinion but you shouldn't own an m2 if u cant put the car on stands and take the calipers apart yourself, you could easily cut the middle man out
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
Yes, you could absolutely do that. Some folks do not want to go through this effort themselves - To each their own...
@DRIFTA999Ай бұрын
@@offcamberautosportshop if I can do It with a 320i I feel a M2 owner should know more....guess I'm wrong in thinking rich people actually know cars...they just enjoy the flex and speed I suppose
@DRIFTA999Ай бұрын
Forgot to mention aesthetics
@TheMonist_Ай бұрын
Lol so you’re sending it out to be powder coated and it’s still a hard job? 😂
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
No Not hard, just time consuming to do the job right. Once the calipers are removed, they have to be broken down, and then to PC, when they come back from PC, the sealing surfaces have to be cleaned thoroughly BEFORE rebuilding them. (sometimes this involves removing excess PC from these surfaces), and then of course re-installation, and bleeding the system. We never cut corners at OffCamber. Of course during this time, the car is disabled, and taking up shop space.. Love the results, but from a business perspective, does not make sense as we have a TON of other work...
@vincentpetralia411Ай бұрын
"Do not let them put a chip in your head" -Mo 😂 But seriously that 190E is gorgeous Great video 👍
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
Thanks Vince! Glad you liked it, and yes, the 190 is really stunning!!
@fadimcjordan6264Ай бұрын
got a e31 myself.. hmmm. what about s85 swap. i know its been done before. wonder if i can afford to do it! god knows i really want it.
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
We talked about that, but the client really wanted a twin turbo V12...
@fadimcjordan6264Ай бұрын
@offcamberautosportshop what kind of price we talking? I've got a lead on a good s85 already
@shamza_bossАй бұрын
Gone are the days
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
yes, sadly MB stopped production of these beasts.
@robertgreen28102 ай бұрын
This car will i grew up with one
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
Lucky man, she is a super cool car!!
@robertgreen28102 ай бұрын
That car will get you in trouble💯✅
@offcamberautosportshopАй бұрын
Ohh absolutely!!
@RT_SlipnSlide_2 ай бұрын
Out of the 3 I’d take the Benz be out here ridin like Meech😮💨🙌🏽
@brianschneir21582 ай бұрын
1982 RX-7 GSL-SE owner right here! Miss that car😢
@arrowhead28542 ай бұрын
This song matches every nice looking car fr
@joemartin88882 ай бұрын
Its not a 78
@offcamberautosportshop2 ай бұрын
It is a 1978 280z! That is what the client stated, and the vin comes back as..
@joemartin88882 ай бұрын
@@offcamberautosportshop I was wrong... it looked like an older model....Its beautiful!!!..I had a 71 240...not as nice...but glad I got to put miles on one....Sorry
@offcamberautosportshop2 ай бұрын
@@joemartin8888 No worries. She really is a beautiful car. A client has been restoring this beautiful car for several years. We had the pleasure of having the car in the shop. I had a 280ZX that I loved as well -- Enjoy the drive, Mo!
@Traumatizedyoungman7622 ай бұрын
One of the most beautiful z4 i’ve ever seen
@offcamberautosportshop2 ай бұрын
Isn't she a beaut!
@Mint911012 ай бұрын
😮💨
@Espodoesit842 ай бұрын
That’s older than 1990 that’s a 1980’s rx7😂
@offcamberautosportshop2 ай бұрын
You are correct, we have had multiple RX-7s in the shop, and this was a typo -- Thanks for the note!
@beraw65842 ай бұрын
Evo2 was 2.5l
@offcamberautosportshop2 ай бұрын
Yes, you are correct. I do make this point during the video! Thanks for the comment.
@Ranguvar133 ай бұрын
Beautiful car!!! Is this paint darkened vs. most C5s? The shift boot is perfection and totally ties the car together along with the badge color mod. Great work!
@offcamberautosportshop2 ай бұрын
Not that we are aware -- She is a really cool car.
@SammyM007823 ай бұрын
I have a customer with his abandoned V8 Esprit in the garage, parked next to the Exige he bought to replace it. I want that car, even though I damn well know it's going to be a nightmare.
@offcamberautosportshop3 ай бұрын
Super cool cars! Wait, he abandoned both cars?? While I do not disagree with you on the level of effort, I would have to go for it! It would be soooo much fun to drive once she is running again....
@teambronski3 ай бұрын
I still want a yellow one.
@mokaramat70283 ай бұрын
Good choice!
@offcamberautosportshop3 ай бұрын
After that iconic joyride you had Brian... I'd want a yellow Esprit too!💨
@andrewgreen77783 ай бұрын
Esprit in the spy who loved me wasn't a turbo.
@offcamberautosportshop3 ай бұрын
@@andrewgreen7778 Really, I thought it was.. I have several versions of the toy car from Corgi at home, and I could have sworn they were labeled Esprit Turbo as well. I just looked it up, and I believe you are correct! Thanks for the info!
@drew69921 күн бұрын
@@offcamberautosportshopThe Roger Moore white ‘submarine’ Espirit was an S1 with a 2L 160BHP. The copper colour Espirit in the later Moore Bond film was a S3 2.2L Turbo car. The Pretty Woman silver Espirit was a Peter Stevens S4 Turbo & the Sharon Stone Basic Instinct black & white Espirits were also S4’s. Epic cars all.
@andrewdobbs77473 ай бұрын
a what edition? my brother in christ…
@offcamberautosportshop3 ай бұрын
I was kidding! enjoy the Drive -- Mo
@offthegrid90193 ай бұрын
Is that a VW Corado?
@offcamberautosportshop3 ай бұрын
In the background outside was an Audi...
@j.48783 ай бұрын
„Nisimo Edition „ 😂
@offcamberautosportshop3 ай бұрын
You are correct, typo on our part! Enjoy the Drive - Mo.
@dokkanartist37074 ай бұрын
Try puting it in 2nd gear
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
Haha, Nice try, but that was not the issue -- Watch the video in the channel to find out the solution!
@dokkanartist37074 ай бұрын
@@offcamberautosportshop hmm i am gonna watch the video but if I only get it right. Was it the turbo? Maybe the engine didnt get enough power or air? Something blocking the intake maybe? Or was is it in like this mode where it goes just a certain speed so that the engine doesnt get damaged?
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
@@dokkanartist3707 None of the above -- It was a pretty simple fix once we ruled out mechanical issues.... Thanks for the comments, and watching!
@sujatasarde57204 ай бұрын
Bmw
@1995_Honda_civic_Ex_Coupe4 ай бұрын
W car
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
Yup - Very cool car!
@mrminerniner61534 ай бұрын
Found you guys through Instagram and this series is really cool. You guys definitely deserve more views and subs lol
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! That is very kind of you.. We are just trying to share the work that we are so passionate about with the world. Stay tuned for more
@teambronski4 ай бұрын
Gotta love BMW guys.... "The engine shakes quite a bit... the whole car shakes." Amazing to have these two in at the same time.
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
hahhhaha.. Yup, just a little! :) Thanks for watching!
@teambronski4 ай бұрын
I am proud to be a customer of a shop that cares so much about the cars they work on. That Z sounds great!
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! I believe that there are good shops out there -- You just have to find one. Enjoy the Drive -- Mo
@arismidos43264 ай бұрын
Was the 190E imported from Switzerland? It has a plugged up Intake as i can see at 10:12. This plug was designed to reduce the intake noise that the engine had due to Swiss federal regulations.
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
Very interesting observation. I do not know. I will check with the owner. Are there any other distinguishing changes that were made for the Swiss?
@arismidos43264 ай бұрын
@@offcamberautosportshop In Switzerland the air intake from the 16v models were made a bit more silent by mounting a plastic cap in front of the air intake. Secondly there was a small tube mounted in the exhaust manifold for emission testing. Furthermore the rear spoiler from the Evolution 2 model was not road legal, therefore the Evolution 2 was officially sold with an Evolution rear spoiler. In the meanwhile however the Evolution 2 rear spoiler has become legitimate.
@offcamberautosportshop2 ай бұрын
@@arismidos4326 Interesting facts -- Thanks for sharing-- Enjoy the Drive, Mo.
@Whitez-nx7ox4 ай бұрын
i swapped an e36 with a 2.5 engine and put a turbo in it
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
If you are going forced induction, a good idea!
@spotting5714 ай бұрын
E36 ir E46? In your opinion.
@mokaramat70284 ай бұрын
No comparison, E36M3! I have driven a lot of E36s and E46s on track, and the E36 just talks to me, and is so nimble. Pumped up a little, and the E36 is a very formidable car. What do you think?
@spotting5714 ай бұрын
@@mokaramat7028 I agree!
@ruispencer91534 ай бұрын
FYI .. That's an M3 base that makes 200hp. 240Tqe .. M3 Evo was compared against the 190e Evo that both have a history of RaceCars .. E30 M3 is 4 years older then the 190e Evo , this was poor journalism ....
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
while you are not wrong in the details, this comparison was done with the cars that were in the shop at the time -- This was not ment to be an extensive detailed review of all of the iterations of both cars. This was done for fun!
@superfast304 ай бұрын
You've got the story wrong! The E30 M3 was released nearly 4 years before the 190 EVO. 2 The 2.3 16V DTM and the EVO 1 DTM got spanked by the E30 M3 DTM. Mercedes then released the EVO 2 in 1990 which was a 2.5 litre at the end the tail end of the E30's production run. E30 M3 looks like it's burning coolant.
@offcamberautosportshop4 ай бұрын
Yes, your details are correct on the various iterations of both cars. We were not trying to do a deep dive into ALL of the variations of both cars, the years they were made, and what version competed against what... This video was ment to celebrate both very cool cars that happened to be in the shop at the same time. Yes, this E30M3 had a lot of issues, and was actually bought back by the seller due to the multitude of issues that we found -- thanks for watching! Enjoy the drive -- Mo.