Hey James! This is completely unrelated to the video, but I don't use X, so I don't know where else to put it 😅 Could you, in a future episode, spend some time talking about where the upcoming Fatal Fury might land competitively? I'm curious which pro player pool the game might draw from - likely there'll be quite a few KOF players trying it or maybe even transitioning, seeing as KOF XV got a somewhat similar DNA and doesn't have the biggest player base anymore. But who else might transition from other games, do you think?

Capcom wants casual players to be able to do hype shit so unfortunately I think being able to cancel into level 3 from anything is here to stay

Modern Controls and Classic Controls are almost completely different games. It's genuinely impressive how, even with years of Smash Bros. experience, Modern Controls really feels like its own thing. I had to play Modern with the Dpad because my Left Stick was drifting Up so I swapped the sticks in the menu to stop from random jumping. Not having agency over if a button is a Punch or a Kick, especially when I'd get a Light Kick from my usual Light Punch button and input a Super or Special Move with the "wrong button", is strange. It was even worse because this was Season 1 where the Throw input was Light Attack + Medium Attack, meaning an accidental Quarter Circle Forward because you were holding Down Back and wanted Forward Throw would result in the game registering ⬇️↘️➡️ Light + Medium and give you an EX Move instead of Throw. Now they have Throw(the function) as an option just like the Special Move button. Long winded tangent aside, you really have to try Modern Controls to understand that it's not an unbalanced auto win condition, even if One Button SPD, EX Moves, and Reaction Supers can be a little egregious sometimes. You can still be mad or dismissive because they technically aren't playing the same game as you, but learning to adapt to a Modern playstyle and exploit their weaknesses like any Classic character is something you can do. All it usually boils down to for me is to remember if they have a Modern DP and to not jump as much, no real need to comb the roster to remember that Character A is missing their Crouching Medium Punch.

It's too bad how poorly executed the game was because I liked pretty much everything about it that's not related to the gameplay mechanics.

I actually started out with Tekken 8 and Strive but ended up going to Tekken 7 and Xrd because i just feel modern stuff put so much emphasis on attack it made defense not satisfying to play. Heat is just dumb. You're already being rewarder for hitting the move, why should you get rewarded even more with a forced mix? And heat dash is just awful. Some of these moves weren't launchers for a reason! And being able to make launch punishable moves safe AND pushing someone towards the wall: :(. Strive honestly has multiple things I don't like about it, from just how the ui looks to characters being stripped down of options (my most stubborn hill is that having an option, no matter how bad or niche, is better than not having it) but the movement just felt like swimming through mud. Xrd gives me more defense mechanics straight up and movement being so fast and free form is fun! I had plenty of times where i escaped only because i won the mindgames and my opponent went to read another option instead of my iad out of the corner, and sometimes he called me out and I lost. But that's fine! Because instead of just pressing the magic button and putting me in mix, we had to engage in mind games (sometimes even reaching layer 2 by RCing my dp). While the oki is very very very scary, you have enough tools that make it feel like something challenging, but doable, which is sooooooooo nice feeling when you pull off a successful defense. I think these games have a treand of just kinda letting you skip neutral with low risk options (PDR crouching strong) that take away from the things I consider interesting and engaging after trying out a bunch of these games because I didn't like T8 and Strive that much: The interactions between two characters' movelists and the decision making of the players in neutral that leads to someone getting hit. And I feel that loses its luster when "I will do universal mechanic" becomes the best option for both players. I know this "universal mechanic" thing is very prevelant in GG due to the RC system. But I think RC can be used in so many different ways and lead to interesting mindgames during a plethora situations it's different from "i hold forward to keep pressuring" heat and DRC tend to do. Edit: Also love your content! with being so new to the fgc its nice to watch content and hear the opinions and arguments of someone who's been there from the start in arcades. Reading stuff like domination 101 or really old guides has been fun and gave me a better feel for what fighting games are about than just "haha funny ltg rage". Im even hyped to go to evo france next year and compete in the fatal fury bracket

Tekken 8 has technical issues that get in the way of both casual and competitive play, which is what unfortunately happens when you try to make a game more beginner friendly. Strive is if those major technical issues were the very base of the game, marketed as such, while also taking a shit all over the original Guilty Gear fanbase that supported it throughout the decades.

Just ran Ryu, Cyclops, and Strider in casuals and had a fucking BLAST. I mean, I’m up on game but I’m not…good at all, but boy howdy.

UltraChen better distance homself from this and remove the Ultra

47:34 fgc doesn't play other games once again. How hard can it be? But they don't even try

having a throw animation on whiff alone makes not a guilty gear

ultrachen i hate guilty gear strive so much only cause arcade modes a scam earning content is a loot crate style of earning things, combos are weak, and like i said the arcade mode puts you up against a cheat a.i. if you do way too well in the games mode. and it's like the only thing you can play is online mode. im not a competitive player or anything but it just feels like this game is just unplayable.

Fuck the fgc

IMHO it's not about offence or defence. What people really want is control. People are looking at the past with rose colored glasses because people felt like they had more control when the playing field wasn't as competitive and games weren't as purposely designed to not be one-sided. No matter how the devs design the game, they can't recreate the past.

I have stayed away from Twitter and had no idea people hated either of these games. As someone who just plays the games and watches content related to them, it's not even noticeable.

Why do people hate event hubs lol

I love old tekken and old guilty gear, you couldn’t pay me to play 8 or strive

For the people that like the older game more, just not talking about the new one isn't really a solution to their problems -- they have to advocate for the principles they value if there's any hope of them being represented in the future. They want to be included in the contemporary community, I don't think it's like an awesome deal for them that they're disappointed in the direction things have gone in their series and have to hang back in a marginal community as a result. Of course they'd prefer it if the game everyone is playing now, the one that is center stage at every event, was one that they could get behind. They should keep fighting for what they believe in! Different genre, but a funny thing happened in World of Warcraft over the years. Basically people complained about the design direction they were going nonstop for years and years, and eventually they started implementing some of the original ideas that people were asking for, and it's been explosively successful both in terms of player satisfaction and user metrics. Companies don't bend easily, but if you keep asking you may eventually get what you want!

This will be an ongoing fight. Its really about spectators vs players. No one wants to see an insane footsie game. It gets boring after while however the players remain in control. I honestly havent played a game where there was balanced and ive been playing fighting games since capcom vs snk 2 and as in actually being decent in a game. However I agree about the top player helping game play balance and Killer Instinct was the proof of why you shouldn't.

They are the only 2 FGs I play. They deserve the hate.

No they dont. Apart from the dumb corporate monetisation BS. People don't realise how good they have it compared to fighting games last decade

I WILL ALWAYS COMPLAIN 'CAUSE THE NEW ONES ARE WORSE AND DIFFERENYT

1:30:45 Not sure if you've played it, but you'd really like UFO 50, James.

After playing VF REVO, I realise that I love super aggressive gameplay, but that's because there's always OPTIONS. The problem with Tekken 8 is that it feels like 2 player single player game where only one person is playing the game at a time. There should always be an equal amount of options for defense and aggression to make the game feel fair and earned even when characters are strong. That's what I've learned from playing the REVO beta.

This is actually why I don't like the seasonal patch based model we have today. I can play Hyper Fighting if I think that's the best version of SF2. I can't play season 3 of SFV if that happens to be my favourite.

The Mai trailer came after they fumbled the ball on the latest patch debacle. It was to calm the fans down =)

Does any of this discourse actually reach the devs tho? Otherwise, it's a meaningless discussion

Hey youtube, time to start showing this to people again!!

Player rightfully can complain about anything since they paid for the game no matter the criticism. But uh...yeah until someone aiming insult toward developer that is not helping like at all. Not just in fighting game communy, the whole game community.

1:28:10 I mean, didn't that happen with tekken 4? There were stories in the arcades that people would rather play Tag 1 and the T4 cabinets where a ghost town. And Namco's response to T4's reception is T5, which could be argued is a polished Tag 1/T3.

audio is a little much for my ears but i'll still drop a like !❤

I always think about this old game vs new game argument with the smash series. Melee gave us so much mechanical control & depth, that it’s legit hard to enjoy the new games from a gameplay standpoint. But the new games have so many dream characters and stages. We’re pretty much left in limbo with indie games and mods.

I have no problems with new games deviating from previous titles, I just really wish so many games aren’t all trending towards very similar directions. I really really hope VF6 doesn’t try to simplify the gameplay for newcomers and add a horizontal moving plus on block universal move.

I would say I'm newer to the FGC. I've always enjoyed fighting games but I started tryharding them with Tekken 7. I absolutely fell in love with the competitive spirit of fighting games and how much depth there was to them. Like being able to dream about the idea of being an Evo champion, or something like that, no matter your age, height, weight, etc.. is so cool. I could literally be 50+ and still enter tournaments. Since I came in half-way through Tekken 7's lifespan I wasn't aware of the people who complained about Tekken 7's direction vs. Tekken Tag 2 and previous games. I didn't even know bitching about fighting games like that was a thing. But now.. having been a Tekken player for many years.. coming into Tekken 8 has been an experience that's distancing me from the Tekken community and even somewhat the FGC as a whole. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE TEKKEN 8. The game is gorgeous. Probably the best looking fighting game out there. The practice mode is fantastic and it just keeps getting better as they add more features. Replay mode is godlike. The game is full of content. They're releasing costumes constantly. They recently released a FF16 collab costume and they both look amazing. And because people can't accept a new mechanic all that goes out the window? Besides a few outliers Tekken 8 is very balanced and those outliers are noted by the devs and currently being worked on. I just can not stand the bitching. I just can't and I've been really close to just crashing out. Like making a youtube video addressing it or becoming a keyboard warrior on X and just going in on people. And this part is not just for the Tekken community but for the FGC as a whole.. I've never been a part of a community full of so many entitled whiny ass crybaby's in my entire life. How is the community even allowing this? You do that shit in real life environments and you get put in your place. Just read through some of the disgusting tweets people send to these developers. Like, I don't care whether or not you like a game. Whatever. But the way these people are talking to the devs is disgusting and it needs to be addressed. And the sad thing is a lot of these people are adults. Like, these developers are human beings. They are making these absolutely amazing fighting games for us fighting game fans. And because they change or add mechanics, introduce guest characters, change the pace of the fights, etc.. that gives people the right to talk to them like they're not human? Grow the fuck up! I'm 34 years old now. I've loved fighting games but for the longest time they weren't really a thing I could get into that much because the netcode was so dogshit it just wasn't worth it. Where I live there is no fighting game scene and I don't wanna hear that shit of start one up, lol. But now I can actually enjoy all these amazing fighting games that have rollback netcode, amazing practice modes, tons of content in-game and that you can purchase like costumes, stages, etc. It is so fun. I truly think that these people who are being so negative don't really know how good they have it. I also truly think that the faces of the FGC need to step up and address this negativity and tell these people to grow the fuck up. If you have a complaint be constructive about it. Don't be absolutely offensive and expect your voice to be heard. It's ridiculous.

Wish I could've liked this video twice. So much facts and truth were said in this video, thank you as always for your service James. SF4 and UMVC3 collection would feed families.

I'm so glad REVO exists. I'm done with SF6 and was already playing T8 less and less, never had any interest in GGST. (Uni2 seems cool and would've been my second choice.) I'm not opposed to change, I was one of the very few people that preferred SFV over SF4 from the start even with the rough launch and never looked back despite SF4 being my first fighting game and now getting the rollback mod. I don't mind a focus on offense and up close gameplay at all (though I did enjoy the defensive nature of T7) which is how I was able to enjoy the VF5 beta so much. Drive and heat are just not enjoyable or interesting methods of making that happen for me. I understand the endless complaining about it because no one wants to go back to SFV netcode or T7 load times. The devs are much more likely (even if still unlikely) to change the mechanics of the current game in response than they are to go back and fix the previous game. Props on ASW for going back to Xrd and Sega for re-re-re-releasing VF5 after VF5US sucked. I hope other people unhappy with their current game can also find something they like.

The FGC's real favorite fighting game is twitter.

People, especially those on Twitter, just like to whine and moan. I used to be a Tekken and NRS player but I don't like MK1 or T8, so I moved on to Strive and SF6. If I didn't like the direction those games were going, I'd play Uni or Marvel or whatever. We're spoiled for choice in 2024.

Yes, there is an inherent identity not only in audio and visual but in mechanics, the difficulty of said mechanics and the overall experience of playing a game, specifically Strive, while the the hate is completely understandable and justifiable, if the game betrays the core fanbase and playerbase to get wider profits or success, consumers are completely entitled to manifest their discontent in they ways they see fit, if Daisuke wanted more bucks and a couple of pats in the back, I have the right to not feel good about it.

MK1: First time?

I know you often use mvc2 as your example, but I have similar feelings with 3. Pushblocking was amazing, and that's before you get into the meaty stuff about it. Immediately pushblocks vs delayed ones, you and/or your opponent playing around these timings by staggering lights, or delaying a button. Sure the golden rule of the game was positioning yourself to not be in the "bad" spot, but you got hit sometimes, or maybe you get got and have to block an assist trap. Even while niche you had crossover counters, or wake-up invuln supers, xf cancelling to punish stuff. You were just always on your toes, because of how versatile the game was. You talk about sfxt putting you to sleep, but strive often does the same thing when I try to play it. Especially vs my friend who plays sol, and just blocking S all day, into infinite delayed frametraps, and hardly a reason to do much else unless he gets a hit. Pretty much every character can do something similar, and the play often winds up being waiting for 5+ seconds until maybe it is your turn, unless you risk a dp/super and dying for it. I would often consider GG as a whole, a high damage game, but I don't recall risking so much in the first 1 second of every round lol. Like testing the water, pressing a round start button vs slayer, only to take like 70%+ super, wall break, into oki mixup. Even to be fair, I play ram, and my opponent is at risk of dying at 80% give or take lol. Simple confirm into calvados doing so much. I will say, even as a strive hater, I'd prefer it over sf6 currently. That is where most of my hatred is at for now. I'd rather watch the same abc into special combos that are going on in strive for 40~%, than the elongated sf6 drive rush combos, that just feel so slow, then are capped off with a level 3. A 15 second strive round, probably had at least 2 interactions, and were just kind of "over" and to the point, but a 15 second sf6 round, probably 10 seconds of it was the comboing, and there's added time for a super finish. I say that as someone who has been on both sides, plenty of times.

Ggstrive i could not click with...to me the ui and graphics feel like an early version....and i prefer the gameplay of xrd

Not really, i still consistently play Strive and Tekken. Meanwhile ive taken a break from SF6 because im not a big fan of it in its current state. Maybe next season will bring me back but my problems with it our core issues that probably wont be addressed oike the drive system and the way you do combos. It makes me sad because im a 09er, sf4 brought me into the fgc but i dont even wanna play 6 at my locals.

I think there needs to be a bigger discussion about what a “major balance update” actually means for the game because clearly this is confusing some people. “Major” doesn’t mean “a lot of things” and “minor” doesn’t mean “a small number of things”. They refer to the philosophy of the balance patch. A major balance philosophy is that you intend to change the balance drastically. You go in thinking a character needs to be stronger or weaker. This is what we usually call the shakeup. This also usually includes adding new system mechanics. People mistakenly think this is what every balance patch is trying to do. That’s confusing intention with effect. A minor balance philosophy is that you intend to make characters function more like they were _intended to function._ This is just a continuation of the previous shakeup. Ideally this does not want to change the balance, but again you can’t confuse the intention with the effect.

Endingwalker already dropped Ed, he played Ryu at the last tournament

People saying that this Mai is too generic or I don't know... She is so pretty, maybe too much pretty in this version 😅

Because they don't make games based on making money in an arcade, has completely changed the way games are made and why they are made. They downgraded functionality, fun, physics, and gameplay for dollars.

James you can be a British actor bro lolll

Love your storytimes James! btw, it seems like the number of FGC influencers who are getting hacked is rising! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWrWialnZth3pMU Brian F made a good video about it. Might be a good topic

VF lets go!!!

Wow James lolll That joke haha