I've not had issues running out of time but have not had a worst combo yet, however I've been able to complete all those waves within the 6:40 timer. This does mean it can get closer to the timer yes. Changing the the +3's to +5's will help, using Pyro or slightly better BCS's. However if it gets too expensive it makes more sense to go for the Cerberus is my view.

The cerb anyday, but this is cheaper ... so if you're strapped for isk "this is the way" ;-)

That's when you overheat, without that it's 60%

@@2Kraeze oh… ty very mutch. Plz, where can I find this fitting sheat ?

1. I've used several sources when building / testing, Abyssal Lurker Discord, Abyss Tracker, etc. Then just going cheaper and cheaper until it's not longer stable... hitting that sweet spot ;-) 2. If you have the same cap usages for the SB/AB (keep in mind cycle time as well) it should be more or less the same. There are a ton of good SB/AB's but they consume a ton of cap.. which is worse, you don't need more rep.. you need more conserving cap imho. 3. This is due to overheating the harder, which so far I've only had to do once or twice tbh.. the fit is very capable without it.

@@2Kraeze ok I’ll search where this cap dripping come from.

I always lose them... I try to stay away from them and usually by moving around you negate some DPS. But it's all about preference and play style. The MTU is def. worth it to increase isk/h

How are you feeling about firestorms? Dark prices are climbing

@@IscariottActual Gila performs well but the damage to drones (armor) is something I hate. If you have a Cerb it might be easier to switch to Exotics (you can do 5 in an hr) if those are cheaper. I'd still stick with Darks tbh, prices go up an down... just buy when they are on the lower end ;-)

Who knows, RL is pretty busy atm and going on holiday for a few weeks so not anytime soon. But gotha finish that Muninn stuff first... wish there were more hrs in a day!

I have not had issues so far for T5's tbh, however skills / experience does make a big difference sometimes.

None of my runs on Caldarijoans Munin were more than 15 mins. Cheap and consistent fit.

@@MrQuidy That's how it works for all higher end combat site income.. I have over 2k runs with my other cerb, so.. it is very viable 😉

@@2Kraeze That is not my expirience - maybe you can do 2k runs on a single ship, for me 50-100 was usually breaking point. Good luck anyway

@@MrQuidy Ah, with the Cerb? The Cerb is not the fastest runner but extremely stable compared to drone boats for example.

Yes, if a fit runs a specific weather T6 it will run all of the below as well. However, most of the times there are cheaper alternatives, for example the Muninn can go up to T5 and be a lot cheaper for those. But to practice the ship it's always good to run like a few T4's, a good bunch of T5's and then make the move to T6.

@@2Kraeze Thank you for the info! I'm interested in that Muninn fit as I have a hull sitting around, do you have one?

@@Mortechai caldarijoans.streamlit.app/Dark_Muninn However, I have not flown this one myself so I cannot guarantee this survives all waves at this stage.

I flew it more than I expected because of the cost & risk with gankers than my expensive one tbh. Especially at the peak server hours it's a lot more relaxed to fly it. I netted like 10bil so def. isk positive. This is the first ever cerb that I lost since I got back to EVE 3/4 years ago so overall I'm up massively anyway :-)

Yes, I changed it already a while ago (the other 2 fits videos) and mainly because of the Angel wave indeed and the PDS helps with the fitting (making it cheaper). The applied DPS is still enough, especially if you upgrade clone / more dps. The ADC Dual Rigor is still valid, but the EM reinforcer makes the runs easier imho.

@@2Kraeze Thanks for your response. I changed it too, but left the ADC in fit cos of ganks. I survived 3 ganks with it already...0.6 tier5 with an abyssal one (12,5 sec) and the cap is still good, almost 70% stable.

It depends on the room and experience, with the cheap setup it's harder than with the pimped for sure. That's because of the limited range with the LG Hydra vs HG.

The Gila is easier to fly for sure, bit more buffer en cap so it's more suitable. This ship is more the alternative if you don't like to use drones ;-)

There are a lot of people in the Abyssal Lurker Discord that know way more about the lower tiers than me, I'd really suggest to take a peak there for any questions as you'll get more specifics than I could ever give ;-)

Not sure about the number but I only received crap tbh, looks like it's better to get components through nullsec for example imho.Better drops there it seems.

Well you can already jump into the lower tier abyss as a beginner and start earning pretty decent isk early on. Then slowly skill into the higher tiers if it's something you like doing. Although unrealistic but if you skill all the right skills for just this you'll need around 40mil sp I think. I've injected an alt before and I think it's somewhere around that mark.

With the trig gun nerf the Iki is just a expensive ship that can barely make T5's, so I'd suggest to re-skill thanks to CCP as the Iki is easily replaced for a cheaper Gila for example. Maybe a Sac might be good, but it will go into the expensive territory as well, even for T5 I think.

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@@2Kraeze thank you, cant wait to try this out once my skills train up for it

Usually around 2, but like everything with EVE it can sometimes be zero and sometimes like 5. Hydra's + the Abyss Battery/Shield Booster and the EM rig make that room pretty easy tbh. Just get out of clouds (except blue), disable AB and kill.

@@2Kraeze Ah, some modules are rolled. of course.

Will do, if you copy/paste the following into Pyfa you get everything. pastebin.com/XbWNAvmX

Personally I don't have experience with the crystal fit so not sure about the stats of cap/shield boost with the fit you mention and what rigs you were running. Did you run out of cap or was the dps too much?

@@2Kraeze yes got neuted. Em rig and rig for fitting. Also i did like 0 damage with no ixions and clouds, with 2 55% webs. Really dont get it at all. But the main quastion is room, is it normsl for t5?

@@vladpoteryakhin7547 it's one of the options yes, if unlucky you see them quite a bit tbh. This is also why I went for T6 pretty quick, the Angel Room in T5's can already be pretty brutal so might as well upgrade and do T6's was my view. It's why you want that abyssal battery and shield booster combination, they will ensure you'll be able to keep the rep going in those type of spawns.

@@2Kraeze Thanks, your booster is from Gist X?

​@@vladpoteryakhin7547abyssal one. I updated the fit video description with all details 👍

100% Hydra for me, the range/applied dps is a ton better so you run a lot of spawns quicker.

I started with the Crystal set, and now I’m with the low-grade hydra, the dps difference is visible and I prefere largely the hydra now. You shut down the neuters and webifier so quikly that the degraded threat don’t need a better tanking.

I started with the Crystal set, and now I’m with the low-grade hydra, the dps difference is visible and I prefere largely the hydra now. You shut down the neuters and webifier quikly that the degraded threat don’t need a better tanking.

Just playing around with technology for the fun of it 🙂

@@2Kraeze its pretty cool. I like his swagger

I have never run them in a frig (except trying the triple setup) however I keep thinking about doing some lower tier as well. However, there is so much information available already for them... reading your comment it might still be worth it tough.

The issue is that certain spawn combinations are simply a dead rooms for the cheap setups, if that acceptable it's fine but they should mention that. For T6 I rather make sure I can handle all, even the spawns that rarely show up but are extremely deadly for the cheaper setup.

@@2Kraeze agreed. Also if I can end up surviving the room then I usually time out.

Unfortunately there are limited options for Tier 6 :-(... I wish there was more versatility.

I do not believe there is a single high-level table for it, everything can be found here: abysstracker.com/loot/all Best would be to check the market in Jita for mutaplasmids per weather type. However, I suggest running the weather / ship that suits your best tbh.. you'll have fun and make isk that way.

Yes, it's mostly more NPC's which means longer run times but also more EWAR like neuting which is the more dangerous thing next to the additional DPS. I'd advice to join the Abyssal Lurker discord and also have a look here for a T5 fit (lot cheaper than you need for T6 ;-)). caldarijoans.streamlit.app/

@@2Kraeze ty Kraeze

I'm going to add isk to make this cerb hahaha, I'm coming back now, I wanted to make iki, but I saw the nerf it took, and without SISI it's complicated :c

I would only run if non impact your shield, range or dps. It's fine to run with the Armor HP penalty or Turret one. I'd not run with any of the others tbh, not worh the risk.

@@2Kraeze Nice!

Yes and depending on the spawns you might get 4 done anyway. Also, you can always switch clone to reroll the boosters making it 4 runs in 1hr and 5-10minutes. The boosters are cheap compared to the profit.

@@2Kraeze dope. I'm kinda dead inside on running anoms. This will be a good alternative

Well even in the worst times I never had it this bad in any Dark/Gamma T6's 🙂

I'm finishing up the vid for it ... it ain't cheap but works extremely well. "coming soon" 🙂

Well my Dark runs weren't too bad... but they were less than usual. That happens though..

Nope, I think they come from the Lp store. This gives up to leshak and the mutaplasmids is what makes the isk next to the red loot.