Thank you! One of my students made it. Unfortunately, he retired from making them.

Thanks!

I appreciate it! Thanks for watching.

Definitely pros and cons to both. If I'm in a boxing setting, I'm using more horizontal punches than vertical punches. If I'm in a self-defence or MMA setting, I'm using more vertical punches. I agree with the body rotation comment. It has to do with ranges. We do always use hip power, but if you turn your shoulders too much in close range, there isn't enough space for that. Generally, when boxers are "infighting", they face more and don't rotate their shoulders as much either. And, if you don't face your opponent squarely in close range, you're very likely to have your back taken or get taken down in a wrestling/MMA/self-defence setting. There's no risk of that happening in boxing so guys can just march into close range, as long as they defend punches, and throw a perfect 90 degree elbow hook with their entire body and over-rotate, and not worry about being taken down, kneed in the face, elbowed, or have their back taken before, during or after that hook. Punch ranges are way different when there are other threats. However, throwing a jab-cross with vertical fists in an unbridged range (longer range) is possible with hip and more shoulder rotation. It covers a lot of distance and is very hard to see coming. Dropping the striking hand, i.e. chain punching, I would not advise doing that in bigger gloves, longer range, and no threats of knees or takedowns. Every style and every punch is susceptible to counters. Unless you land first with enough power. Thanks for watching!

Thanks for recognizing the value in what I’m trying to convey in this video. I appreciate it!

Thanks for watching!

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I appreciate that! Glad you liked it!

Not yet.

@@GaryMaWingChun Do you consider "your lineage" a one school operation? My point being that quality varies even among students from the same teacher. Are you looking to expand in the future?

Uh oh... We're getting philosophical here... LOL I've slept a mere 3 hours last night so take whatever I type here with a grain of salt. Here's how I see it. Every lineage is made up of a combination of different individuals that ends with you being the "Secret Ingredient". #KungFuPanda If you are a teacher, the link doesn't necessarily end with you, but you are really the only person you have full control over in that/those chain(s). And IMO, the only way to truly lead and do it well is to work on yourself and lead by example; regardless of whether you're one week in or 30 years in; and, whether you have students or not. I think every lineage/student/teacher has both good and not so good ideas, drills, systems and processes. This is why I steer clear of lineage talks altogether. They are generally argumentative and unproductive. And as a Wing Chun guy, I like to save time, movement and energy where I can. Therefore, I spend the overwhelming majority of my time thinking about the hierarchy of ideas rather than lineages. It's easy and convenient to try to lump ideas into lineages, but it's less than optimal for those (still) seeking to develop and evolve. I am not a megalomaniac looking to "expand" just for the sake of expanding. Everything in its own time.

@@GaryMaWingChun I agree about the lineage problems and I wasn't trying to pull it in that direction. 🙏 Do you ever visit Europe? Friends, family or holiday? 😎

I haven’t visited Europe. I’m not much of a traveller. I might like to visit Italy one day, though.

That's cool, we can civilly agree to disagree. 1. The backfist faces the back of the hand towards the opponent, so naturally, that is what is likely to land. If you're trying to land with the knuckles, it's simpler and more powerful to just use a straight punch. Plus, in the heat of battle, the guy is not just going to stay put. 2. Yes, except Fak Sau aims to land the blade of the hand/forearm to the opponent's throat (soft tissue not bone). There's a time and place for every move. But, anyone who's tried both strikes on a bag or a pad knows that a straight punch is way more powerful. So, if your goals include maximizing efficiency AND effectiveness, it seems to me that the choice is obvious. 3. Agreed, but a straight punch is still more powerful, and harder to defend. And pulling back your fist without replacing it goes against the concept of hand replacement in Wing Chun. And makes you vulnerable to takedowns. Thanks for watching!

All great suggestions! I'm going to have to sit down and meditate on those. Thanks for watching! Have a great weekend.

There's no better teacher than experience. I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!

Backfist is the superior strike of all strikes. Its why bruce lee and most kung fu users in the films do this move. Nothing can check that move. And it opens people up really fast. Most times i will see kung fu user throw a hook that looks unsafe and hit someone with a backfist. In movies they are easily blocked because of the silly choreography but in reality that strike is putting people down fast. Back fist, back elbow is a must do as kung fu user.

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I appreciate it! Glad it was helpful!

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I agree, but here, we’re strictly focusing on applying Bong Sau unbridged, through visual recognition; not through contact. It’s a purely technical and reactionary drill, not a tactical one. Thanks for watching!

I didn't know they blocked this way in Muay Thai too, but that's awesome! Fist on elbow definitely does happen... Thanks for watching!

It seems like we’ll have to agree to disagree. Because it does absolutely work. And you don’t have to believe me. You just have to look at the UFC fighters who are making it work, and then not giving credit to it being a Wing Chun technique. And it works in boxing too but it’s harder because of the bigger gloves, and the no knees, elbows or takedowns rules. When you’re allowed knees, elbows and takedowns, people don’t march into the pocket so willingly. But boxers like Floyd Mayweather used Bong Sau and so did Andre Ward just to name two popular champions. There are more, you just have to like to study film. Thanks for watching!

Why use fist you can use albow to strike

Timing and distance. Muay Thai fighters use elbows, but they also use fists, knees, kicks, clinching and sweeps. A lot of it depends on timing and distance.

Dont waste your time ​@GaryMaWingChun sportsman's always seem to think self defence doesn't work. It's not a sport, lol wing chun is self defence. Huge difference.

I agree. There's definitely a huge difference between self-defence and combat sports. At the same time, I also think that Wing Chun guys could do really well in MMA because of the smaller gloves and the rule set. And, because several UFC fighters and champions have used Wing Chun techniques in the Octagon with great success. Thanks for watching!

1. I fully rotate the posterior side of my wrist towards me i.e. if I had a watch on, it would be facing me. But, I try to keep my hand relaxed, so that it is "hanging" as you put it. 2. Elbow must always be above your wrist if you love your face ;) Hope this helps. Have a good weekend... or Sunday, if you're on the other side of the globe!

It’s a very useful technique. A few MMA fighters have their own versions of it now, probably learnt from trial and error during sparring practice, but it shows up quite often in our Siu Lim Tau, Chum Kiu, and Wooden Dummy forms, so it’s undeniably Wing Chun. And it’s definitely not just for emergencies, nor is it just for when you have no other options. Thanks for watching!

I think the Bong Sau can be all those things with adjustments.

Oh we do! Weren't you suggesting that I do a video on Sean Strickland on my Alex Pereira video? Anyways, thanks for watching!

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I'm curious as to why you believe that Bong Sau is an emergency technique?... Because emergency techniques are contained in Biu Jee, but Bong Sau is initially taught in Siu Lim Tau. And, Bong Sau Lap Da and Chi Dan Sau are both exercises that include Bong Sau, and that precede double hand Chi Sau. Anyways, thanks for watching!

Glad you liked it! Another one on the way in 3 hours. Have a great weekend!

@@GaryMaWingChun thank you, have great weekend to!

But I repeat, Wing Chun can show a lot if you correctly understand how to move during a fight, correctly understand other combat tactics and real combat situations. so far I see that you have only learned standard techniques for striking, but they are nothing without knowledge of modern combat and without an understanding of how to move in battle

Bro chill, it’s just a drill. 😂 And the camera is on a locked off tripod so if either of us steps forward or backward too much, and/or angles out like we might in a real fight, we’d be out of frame. And it’s much easier to learn for beginners if they first do the drill as presented, and _later_ integrate different types of footwork once the hand techniques can be done without thinking. Furthermore, if the attacker steps forward while punching, and I step backward just as much and angle off, the relative distance between us would be maintained, and therefore, the drill would still be valid. I agree with some of what you're saying, but context is important. Thanks for watching!

It’s coming back for sure. 😂

Those can all be topics for other videos. Each video has to have its own topic otherwise students will get overwhelmed. Especially those who are just a few months into Chi Sau. If you give students too much information, it’ll go in one ear and out the other. Efficiency in Wing Chun isn’t just about the execution, it’s about the teaching as well. Thanks for watching!

I agree. Thanks for watching!

When it comes to those who practice combat sports, I totally agree with your assessment. Bare knuckle to the body is much less damaging for the puncher than bare knuckle to someone’s chin or forehead. And shooting for a takedown by placing the knee on the ground and stepping through is great on matted floors, but not so much on concrete. And head stomping and soccer kicking the dome of a downed opponent isn’t allowed in the UFC. Although, One Championship allows more in that sense. I’m a huge MMA fan so I’m not saying this to disparage athletes who optimize their style and techniques according to the rules, environment and equipment of the sport. Coz that’s exactly what they should do. But, how do we explain the majority of “traditional” Wing Chun guys who don’t spar with equipment, don’t follow MMA, don’t do Iron Palm training, and yet have been head hunting since way before MMA blew up in popularity? It just came to me while typing this and looking at my profile pic that Bruce Lee’s movies might have a lot to do with it…

@@GaryMaWingChun Exactly! Generally there are exaggerations from both the sides, that discriminate one practice or the other. Coach Greg Nelson demonstrated the application of Chi Sao in MMA, for instance. Mark Stas explained the idea behind the Chain Punch, and so on. Having a fixed idea brings nowhere, as Bruce Lee said: "Be water".

Life would be easier if we picked a side, though. 😅 Anyways, thanks for watching and for this discussion!

@@GaryMaWingChun Thank you to you. Your advice are good. Nice content, master.

My pleasure! Thanks for watching!

I’m glad that both the KZbin algorithm and I did not disappoint. Thank you for the kind words! Much appreciated.

@@GaryMaWingChun Wow! This might be my first time seeing a comment be pinned.

Glad to be the first! But, something tells me that it’s not the first time that you’ve left a positive comment on someone’s video. Have a great weekend!

@@GaryMaWingChun Yeah, I tried to comment & like each video at a drawing channel until he got about 1k subscribers. :-)

That's awesome! Us nano accounts don't take those likes and positive comments for granted.

You’re welcome!

Thanks, will do!

Yes! Those who know, know! 😅 Thanks for watching!

Glad you liked it! 🫸🤛

I'm glad you like it. Thanks.

You also can use leg kick

Leg kicks are devastating for sure, but here, I'm talking about Chi Sau... which can be seen as a sort of pummeling drill with the goal of facilitating hand strikes. Thanks for watching!

Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.

Obrigado!

I agree. Whether it be from trial and error or from actually studying and analyzing Wing Chun, more and more fighters are going to do more and more Wing Chun.

Hi Logan, Welcome to the channel. Think of all the faceless channels out there. Some people just don’t want to be known. If I could, I’d blur my own face, honestly. Most creators over talk because past 8 minutes, they can put multiple ads in the video which increases their revenue. You can tell when people just want to add syllables to make the 8 minute mark. It annoys me. I’m not in the KZbin partner program so there’s no sense for me to blab for more time than I need to. I respect people’s time, and Wing Chun is about being efficient. So, I try to talk as much as necessary but as little as possible. Thanks for watching and commenting!

I never said we created every technique in the book. BJJ, boxing, wrestling and Muay Thai all have their distinctive techniques and specialties, and are all #1 under their respective ruleset. However, no single style works alone in MMA anymore, not even BJJ. Stand like a conventional boxer, and you’ll get leg kicked or head kicked. Stand like a traditional Muay Thai guy and you’ll get taken down. Stand like an olympic wrestler and you’ll get kneed in the head or eat uppercuts. Nobody gets to the belt with a single style anymore. But more and more UFC Champions are using more and more Wing Chun in the Octagon. They’re just not saying it. Videos can be found of very popular and successful fighters such as Rose Namajunas, Brian Ortega, Anderson Silva and Tony Ferguson integrating Wing Chun into their MMA training. Connor McGregor’s coach is a JKD guy which is based on Wing Chun. The problem with Wing Chun isn’t in its techniques, principles and concepts; the problem with Wing Chun is that 95% of schools don’t spar. I believe that when 50% of Wing Chun schools start to integrate sparring into their training, the conversation will begin to shift. But it will take some time. Thanks for watching!

@@GaryMaWingChun I do believe as a martial artist you have to learn every style I do believe in close to close combat Wing Chun an Kung Fu would be perfect I Love Donnie Yen in Ip Man, I Love Bruce Lee and Respect to Jackie Chan but Grew Up with Jet Li I believe in his prime would give Bruce Lee a run for his money with numb chucks and Jet Li with his preferred weapon of choice absolute Genius I actually believe that Chinese have some of the best fighting techniques because back in the day a challenge could cost you your life so you had to be perfect but being a master in one art in the cage is not good I believe you need to have knowledge of every background like Jeet Kune Do I do think Jiu Jitsu is something everyone should know not saying its superior to any other art cause if you can knock this guy out like a wrestler it’s useless but if the guy knows what he is doing an takes you down it could be pretty much over. I do get mad when I don’t see a lot more people from China competing I don’t know if it’s because of humility, religious beliefs or warrior codes and hiding knowledge to foreigners but out of a billion people in China I would love to see more representation I believe Donnie Yen in his prime could’ve competed if he wasn’t to busy being a super star in film productions, I also believe in other countries as well because of war and different beliefs their are warriors hidden from society maybe special earth protectors that don’t compete as well just my opinion. Religion, Native American tribes, and Martial arts all have one thing in common they all think they are all better than one another but if we can all come to together an learn from each other an put are pride away we could make a better future and society

Hi sir, I think you mean something like what I demonstrate at 2:06 except I do it as a southpaw. I'm not a boxer so please forgive me. I generally try to stay away from explaining boxing unless it's useful to set up some Wing Chun explanations. What I like about boxing and combat sports in general is that it's all about reads in real time. So if the jab habitually drops after being thrown or, like you said, if the chin isn't tucked behind the shoulder on the jab, watch out! I can't wait for Beterbiev vs Bivol tomorrow. Thanks for watching and commenting!