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And what about that meat/dairy industry is full of inhumane practices? And eating alot of meat is linked with various types of cancer?

I absolutely love this rationale because it displays clearly the lunacy of people who think this way. Are people not allowed to change? Do people have to be defined for the rest of their lives by their previous beliefs or decisions? This sort of "apostate" approach to ex vegans really does highlight the cult-like nature inherent to the ideology. Thankfully not all vegans think this way, but a great many do. It's pathetic.

@@Stoitism What is pathetic is the idea that having compassion for animals is a cultist mentality or sheer lunacy. What is pathetic is throwing defenseless beings under the bus so you can experience "gains". What is pathetic is the normalized apathy and oppression to those who don't have a voice, because you are too greedy to eat plants. Your right to personal choice ends when you actively harm others, and I will stand up to you carnivore twats and tell you that you are wrong every minute of every day if I need to. There is nothing more greedy and gluttonous than consuming the flesh of another, when you know damn well that you do not need to. Also you spelled stoicism wrong...

@@Stoitism It truly is worse than a religion, and I was raised in a very oppressive religion that has left parts of my family fractured. The devout vegans are just grumpy because they have to supplement their ancestrally inferior diet and refuse to believe that death is a natural part of life and they literally wouldn't exist without it because animals die for plants too. 🤣

​@@Stoitism Well said

@@Stoitism love when people make points like this but cant look in the mirror. carnivores do the same shit. its called the human condition, not a subject of dieters, or races, or religions, it simply people

I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. You may not agree with me, and that is perfectly fine, but we can still be respectful of each other.

You literally used evolution and nature multiple times to justify your action of eating animals. You didn't say those exact words though, correct. I paraphrased it that way because I thought it was funny considering how many times you used nature as a justification. If you want to have a further discussion or debate on veganism, let's set something up :) @@Stoitism

@@logicalconsistency I may have used evolution and nature as "justification" in your eyes but I also said that "your biology doesn't care about your ethics". Which is quite the opposite of saying "what is natural is moral". How are you going to apply human ethics to processes which came into being before humans even walked the earth? Life eats life is a truism. It will endure long after modern humans are gone, if we ever do infact go extinct (I ofc hope we don't). Do you sincerely think that shifting and ephemeral human ethics trump natures design?

Agree 100% . A little cringey this whole dialogue. Like 2 guys stroking each other back and forth with their same beliefs... How can one be a meat eater and yet claim to be spiritual. There is absolutely nothing spiritual about wittingly or unwittingly strengthening systems that are inherently violent and unnecessary so one can have a sandwich. IMHO being spiritual implies a kind of compassion to our fellow earthlings...

Hi. Dean here. "Veganism has nothing to do with meditation or a spiritual journey." That's your opinion & you are welcome to it. I respectfully disagree. Just because my reasons differed to yours does not make them any less valid. "That's it. Saying that "my meditation is better eating meat" doesn't really justify abusing and killing animals when you don't have to for survival." I don't have to justify doing something that we evolved to do, which forms part of our very nature and is in alignment with nature. Do I also have to justify breathing oxygen? because I see that of equal value to eating meat. I want to thrive, not survive. I am vastly healthier eating meat and that's the whole crux of it. I'm not sacrificing my health for an ideology which goes against human biology. However, we can always strive to do better for the animals in our care and I hope that animal welfare standards continue to improve. "It sounds like he was eating a lot of nutrient-dense but calorically low foods." Plant foods are not nutrient dense nor as close to as bioavailable as meat. Humans cannot properly digest plant matter. You need different biology for that, that such as ruminant animals and hind-gut fermenters have. Humans are equipped for meat eating. "a desire to perform better athletically doesn't justify animal abuse". I eat animals for my health, I don't abuse them. And its not just about athletic performance. It's about overall metabolic health and longevity. "Omg soy does not increase estrogen or decrease testosterone" Good luck with that. I believe otherwise and believe it to have being a contributing factor to the hormonal problems I had. "It sounds like the symptoms he was dealing with were symptoms of undereating or certain vitamin deficiencies" As discussed my diet and supplements were looked at by a dietician and they said everything required was present in my diet. "Also, people not sticking with veganism doesn't say anything about the validity of plant-based diets. Many people also don't stick with the gym. It doesn't tell us anything about the adequacy of said action." This is a false equivalence fallacy. The reasons why someone might quit veganism would be based in vastly different reasoning than that of someone quitting the gym. The two are incomparable and have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.

​@@JamesDurcanWhy on earth would you believe a person who eats meat cannot also be a spiritually minded person? I ask in all seriousness. Please explain your perspective.

@@Stoitism Dude I think its all laid out in my initial comment. Take it for what its worth. We can go back and forth on the health benefits of plant-based eating vs omnivore - based eating. We can also lament our individual stories ( One of my fav anecdotes is that of one of the oldest living humans - lived to 114 - and smoked cigarettes all the way up until the day she died ) Aside tho !- The ADA issued a statement a few years ago stating that well planned vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of life from pregnancy to elderhood . This is the body that certifies Dieticians/Nutritionists. You can see for yourself if you go to their website. We may have evolved eating meat but that is via the historical context and out of survival. So now in 2024 we can further evolve and abstain from all the cocktail of crap that is in meat ( IGF1, hormones, growth factors, cholesterol, HA, TMAO etc..), and the unneccesary suffering and violence of the culling of 80 billion land animals a year.

@@Stoitism Hello, Dean! A lot of what you claimed in the podcast may be what you "believe," but they are unsubstantiated claims. You can't just say that soy causes hormone issues and plants have anti-nutrients because of how you "feel." I am also still waiting to hear about your "nutrition certification." If you would like to talk about or debate this topic further, I would love to set something up for my channel :)

Thank you... We agree 🙏 please share. For a new channel it's important that our viewers help us get the word out there, especially when the interview is better than the so called "big channels"

haha... brilliant!!

Least was sold for one

Thanks Dan! Appreciate the feedback

He deals with it very well considering. Inspirational in our eyes

Also... brilliant questions, I get sick of stupid questions like, how many people have you killed? What is it like to kill? I mean ... ffs give this man a break. Again brilliant and very professional.

@@lukeashleybell well said Luke. The exact reason why we wanted to do the interview this way as apposed to trying for clickbait!

Agreed 👊

Really appreciate this 🙏 🙏 glad you enjoyed it!

We agree! Too many interviews of Craig being asked stupid questions for click bait. So we wanted to take a different approach & get a slightly different message accross 😁

@@highcalibremen exactly my thoughts! You’ve done an absolute amazing job of interviewing and bringing out CRAIG rather than what he’s done. Fantastic questions and charisma from you ❤️ watching these interviews makes me feel better about my own CPTSD from being in an extremely abusive home growing up

Amazing

​@@highcalibremenWant to second many other opinions here. Top job of an interview this was and having followed Craig for a bit he seemed more at ease with you lads compared to many other videos.