Family Members in Penang Hokkien
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@christinelow6680
@christinelow6680 25 минут бұрын
Kamsia che che. I learn more from your video. It is so informative. Thank you very much.
@luckm8852
@luckm8852 34 минут бұрын
I suppose this is an account of Hokkiens in the west coast of Peninsular Malaysia and Singapore. My family is Hokkien and we are from the east coast of Peninsular Malaysia. I am the tenth generation born here. My great great great great great great grandmother was also born here and is featured in Munshi Abdullah's book Kisah Pelayaran Abdullah ke Kelantan. There are graves of my ancestors from the 17th century in the east coast states as well.
@truthful3777
@truthful3777 42 минут бұрын
I have read about Admiral Zheng He and his translator, Ma Huan journal aeeing Chinese of Tang Dynasty in 5 island ( Melaka) when Admiral Zheng He first came to the fishing village and saw Chinese of Tang already there. Back then Peninsular and Temasek are Siam controlled. Parameswara just rented a land from Siam Government for 40 tahil of Gold.
@paulinegc4571
@paulinegc4571 2 сағат бұрын
greatly appreciate your research. now i can understand which segment in time my ancestors arrived being a Peranakan.Once again Thank you.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Сағат бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33.
@henrytan5588
@henrytan5588 3 сағат бұрын
My grandfather from Sabak Bernam went to be a developer in SG. The road in his development in Holland Kampong. Under the British there was freedom of movement
@KimChin-g9w
@KimChin-g9w 3 сағат бұрын
Thank you for your excellent work Mr. Tye. Would you be doing the same thing with the Chinese of Borneo ?
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Сағат бұрын
I haven't done any research on the Chinese in Borneo, sir. If in future, I come across sufficient documentation that will improve my knowledge, then I could consider doing the same.
@henrytan5588
@henrytan5588 3 сағат бұрын
Talking about the settlers in the Straits who embraced the English language one can cited the family of the late LKY. The father of the late LKY was so Anglophile that all his children have English names. LKY is Hakka and was forced to dropped his English name Harry once he entered in the politics of SG.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Сағат бұрын
Noted.
@henrytan5588
@henrytan5588 3 сағат бұрын
The Hokkian that came from Xiamen were traders. It was the Hakka that left their footprint in Kuala Lumpur with Kapitan Yap Ah Loy and encouraged by the British to clear the jungle and forests. In JB there was Kapitan Wong Ah Fook another Hakka.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
Yes, yes, correct. These Hokkiens who were traders were in the Lau33khaek3 period, whereas Yap Ah Loy and Wong Ah Fook are part of the Sin3khaek3 period.
@henrytan5588
@henrytan5588 3 сағат бұрын
Actually it was the Hakka community who were leaving Xiamen for the Nanyang. One can find Hakka in many isolated islands in Nanyang. In Kalimantan Indonesia the Hakka are 5th generations . Hakka had settled in PNG and one Hakka was Julius Chan. Other islands are Philippines , Indonesia ,Fiji Mauritius Burma/ Myanma and India/ Madras. The Hokkian did settled in Indonesia Malaya Myanma. The Hakka in Indonesia were 6th generations. The Dutch rule was welcoming of the Hakka Putien in Surubaya and Sarawak Kuching . Mr Tye left out the Hakka migration.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
In future, I would look forward to producing videos on Hakka and Cantonese, there's so much still to talk about, not to cram everything into a single video.
@henrytan5588
@henrytan5588 3 сағат бұрын
I am a 4th generation in Penang. Mahathir is a 2nd generation but he claimed to be a Malay when his roots were from Karela India. If Mahathir is Malay then I am Malayan recognised by the British and I am able a BOC. The Baba and Nyonya are natives in Malacca. Yet Mahathir never recognised them but still used the word Migrants or Pengdatang (sic). Then the Malay recognised the Eurasian in Malacca as Bumiputera since their ancestors arrived 300 years ago. There is no such concept of Eurasian. The descendants of Portugal are still Portuguese in genetics.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Сағат бұрын
Noted.
@jennylee1802
@jennylee1802 4 сағат бұрын
"xie xie" Timonthy Tye for teaching us our lost overseas chinese history in Malaysia and Singapore. Could you please in future show the locations which you mentioned by showing the maps so that we could better grasp the places. With warmest regards from Singapore 🇸🇬 .
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
Thanks very much. So far, I have described the distribution of the Hokkiens in words rather than by using map, to avoid generalizing the distribution by map. It is often not the most accurate to show on map because there is no way to be pinpoint accurate, but by showing on map, I might introduce generalization to the information.
@henrytan5588
@henrytan5588 4 сағат бұрын
Mr Tye you have used the word Settlers instead of immigrants. This is the terminalogy uses by European historians. We are Settlers. The Malay refused to call us Malayan instead we are Chinese Indians and others for people in both Borneo countries . WE ARE SETTLERS.
@henrytan5588
@henrytan5588 4 сағат бұрын
Please use Malaya or West Malay as more than not, both Sarawak and Sabah are never consulted. Peninsula is Tanah Melayu and is the majority while both Sarawak and Sabah have their own agenda and uses the English language for official purposes. Malaya speak Malay and different from the language in both Borneo countries .
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
Noted.
@MeLodiCarAma
@MeLodiCarAma 4 сағат бұрын
Borneo which include Kalimantan, Sarawak and Sabah have more Chinese than Peninsula, mostly Teo Chew and Hakka although there are Hokkien too. Those in Sarawak and Sabah were spillover from "mangkuk merah" incident around Singkawang and Samba.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
That's an area which I have not researched on. Interesting to know.
@MeLodiCarAma
@MeLodiCarAma 4 сағат бұрын
😂 I don't know where you got the information, but you need to go to China itself to dig the real history. The first influx of China immigrants from diplomacy stance between Malacca and China's Ming Dynasty. That Dynasty was a muslim Dynasty headed by Emperor Hong Wu in the 14th (1300-1400c.e whilst China's introduction to Islam started way back around 600 c.e.). He built many Chinese mosque. Malacca was already a Muslim Sultanate during that time and its commercial hub was in danger of Siamese attack. Malacca was an important trade partner in Southeast Asia region and China was quick to assist in protection of its important commerce. Malacca's was a mmajor focal point for all traders from the rest of Malay Archipelago which includes Champa, Southern Thailand (Kra) up to the rest of what is now known as Indonesia. Becareful with your facts because you are vulnerably exposing yourself. The best way is to seek the mainland China archive and not the Orientalist versions of history. There are relics and proven artifacts still in existence in present day China and the mainland Chinese are made aware of their history especially the experience with the west; the western historians could easily got debunked. To the rest of your viewer, go to the real China and avoid swallowing all the western written history so-called facts. I am Malaysia 🇲🇾♥️🇨🇳 Chinese didn't spread from just Malaya Peninsula plus Singapore. China on the 19 century's influx spread rampantly through the colonial entities iin their invasion strategies for breaking up this regions.
@andyneo6183
@andyneo6183 5 сағат бұрын
Thanks for shedding more info and lights for us, descendants of sin kheak,,,,,
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33!
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
The majority of us are descendants of the Sin3khaek3, unless we can truly prove otherwise.
@chinfamily4718
@chinfamily4718 7 сағат бұрын
How had the opium factor influenced the southern Chinese (Cantonese, the Hokkien, the Hakka, the Hainanese and the teochews) in the economic migration in the 19th and early 20th century. Why this opium factor did not result in the northern dialects in SEA?
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
The only "opium factor" that I can think of for now is the China loss the First Opium War (1839-1842), which resulted in the opening of Xiamen as one of the treaty port, and because of that, an influx of Hokkien settlers left Fujian Province for the Malay peninsula.
@malcolmwong8983
@malcolmwong8983 7 сағат бұрын
Thank you. Very interesting. Would be even better if you included a few maps and photos in your post. 😊
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 3 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I am such a lazy person LOL, only sit there and talk!
@ngbengngee1404
@ngbengngee1404 7 сағат бұрын
🧐 You may have left out another group which many said to have arrived and settled at Kelantan Tanah Merah that is older or before the existence of Malaka, 👉🏽 The Kelantan 福建暹/Hokkian Siam group is a group come and settle much earlier than the Melaka. 😅 May be you should revise you titles to West coast West Malaysia and Singapore ? 👌🏽 just kidding 🤣, 👍🏾 Thank you for the video, keep it up 💪🏻 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYWpYWmioJZghtksi=9J02S-88YkteJMhH
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 4 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing. The details on the Chinese in Kelantan warrants further research. Is it really older and before Melaka? How do we know? I look forward to finding more information that can improve my knowledge of the Kelantan Chinese. When I do, I would love to share about it.
@chinfamily4718
@chinfamily4718 8 сағат бұрын
I would appreciate if you could shed light into the common dialects spoken by these Chinese diaspora in not only SEA but also in the West. The most common ones are Hokkien, Hockchiew, Cantonese, Hakka, Teochew, Hainanese but hardly any Shanghainese, Hunanese, Beijing, Hebei and and Shantung. What is the history that led to this dichotomy and perculiarity of Chinese migration to these regions?
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 4 сағат бұрын
Maybe one day I will expand my coverage to the migration of the Chinese to the West.
@overseaschinese2445
@overseaschinese2445 9 сағат бұрын
What are the similarities and differences between the Hokkien migration & the waves of migration from Guangdong, Hainan & other Southern provinces & districts. For instance in Ipoh & KL there were many Guangdong & Hakka ppl. I understand Guangxi ppl also moved to distinct parts of the peninsula such as Bentong & Temerloh.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 4 сағат бұрын
KL and Ipoh are populated by the 4th wave (aka the Sin3khaek3), who are mostly from Guangdong, and are Hakka and Cantonese). The cities were established as a result of tin mining, which was from the mid 19th century onwards, whereas the cities where Hokkien is spoken were established earlier.
@engboontan3148
@engboontan3148 10 сағат бұрын
Thank you for such important part of Chinese history
@Utube1024
@Utube1024 12 сағат бұрын
Thank you for the wonderful history, Sir. Learn a lot.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 10 сағат бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33!
@Utube1024
@Utube1024 12 сағат бұрын
That is how OCBC come about. Orang Cina Bukan Cina....LOL
@Utube1024
@Utube1024 12 сағат бұрын
How about lau hokkien?
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 10 сағат бұрын
"Lau33 Hok1kien3" which we often hear people spoke of, especially from the elderly, is in fact the Hokkien literary reading of Literary Chinese. This way of reading was phased out by Modern Standard Mandarin in the first half of the 20th century.
@rocketsteel
@rocketsteel 13 сағат бұрын
Now it's clear why yhe laukek and babas don't get along
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 10 сағат бұрын
I cannot comment on that.
@psoon04286
@psoon04286 16 сағат бұрын
Very thorough though brief👍🙂
@Wan-Malaysia
@Wan-Malaysia 17 сағат бұрын
My hokkien ex-colleague who's 82 yo now (5 Oct 2024) tells me she can't understand the hokkien spoken in KL or Malacca. Why? She is wholly English educated and totally illiterate in hokkien and mandarin.
@tytan9139
@tytan9139 17 сағат бұрын
There is a thread that you have missed - the East Coast Peranakan.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 10 сағат бұрын
Yes indeed. I would need more information to shed light on their history, but I remain cautious about the use of the term "Peranakan" being applied liberally, as it masks away vital details.
@tytan9139
@tytan9139 8 сағат бұрын
@@learnpenanghokkien I might not have accurate information, but what I know is my dad accounted that my first ancestors arrived in East Coast at around 1809. The first Chinese (Kao's clan) who settled in Kuala Terengganu were as early as 1780s. The East Coast Peranakan Association, if I am not wrong, is coming out with a book soon.
@weiyeongtan2695
@weiyeongtan2695 18 сағат бұрын
Admiral Zheng He first arrived in Malacca in the early 1400. Shouldn't it be that Chinese literacy would have reach Malacca soon after his arrival with his merchants to form the Peranakan. From what I hear here, Peranakan has not gain Chinese literacy until the lau33kheak arrivals. It's hard to imagine that Zheng He was accompanied by illiterate merchants whom he left behind in Malacca. Maybe some more research needs to be conducted to bring the more probably events in the timeline. Ming dynasty historical records may throw in some light.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 10 сағат бұрын
Let me explain this. Admiral Zheng He would have in his entourage people who are able to read and write Literary Chinese. His scribes meticulously documented his imperial-sponsored voyages, which are separate from the sundry private trading enterprises conducted by the seafaring merchants. To be clear, the seafaring merchants were able to read and write Literary Chinese, but they did not pass on this knowledge to their families in Malacca, leaving their wives to raise their offsprings in the local language. Throughout history, right up to the 20th century, literacy among the Chinese was the privilege of the elites - there were no schools, nothing to give commoners access to literacy. Even by the turn of the 20th century, many Chinese fathers shunned the idea that their daughters should ever learn to read or write; they do not consider these congruent to women's role in homemaking. Due to limitation placed on literacy, confining it to men, documentation of local history depended on what was written down, and that only happened when the lau33khaek3 came and settled.
@qkchia1593
@qkchia1593 18 сағат бұрын
Fascinating and educational talk..! Puts many of us in context of our early history . I am a 3rd generation Singapore hokkien.. Kum sia! Chia
@gracechin6497
@gracechin6497 18 сағат бұрын
Would love to learn penang kokkien but you speak too fast? If you can slow down a bit that would be great. Thanks
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 4 сағат бұрын
Noted! Try here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5ipo3hvm8dkeLM
@joymah9270
@joymah9270 18 сағат бұрын
Thank you for an enriching history of Chinese in West Malaya
@rinang8858
@rinang8858 19 сағат бұрын
Thank You so much> Now I know how my grand dad who married a Peranakan and speak Hokkien while he is a Teochew
@Branch7ShuZhi
@Branch7ShuZhi 21 сағат бұрын
Tim, can you produce diagrams to clarify what you are trying to present. 😇
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien 20 сағат бұрын
www.penang-traveltips.com/0-pics/2024/chinese-arrivals-to-the-malay-peninsula.jpg
@christinaannekarl1800
@christinaannekarl1800 22 сағат бұрын
Thank you Timothh Tye
@leechinhuat72
@leechinhuat72 22 сағат бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing with us so much of history concerning us.
@tonykwok9763
@tonykwok9763 Күн бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍
@vfsk6259
@vfsk6259 Күн бұрын
Hi Timothy... in your video u mentioned u are part Sinning/Toishan .... so am I. Perhaps you could do a video about Sinning people in Malaysia/Penang for our knowledge & understanding.. 😊thanks. Vincent Fong
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
For now I don't have enough information on that.
@zenlu7488
@zenlu7488 Күн бұрын
We very much appreciate your efforts, Mr Timothy Tye. There is so much that we do not know about our history. You have opened our eyes to our rich story. Thank you
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33!
@simonballoonist
@simonballoonist Күн бұрын
Thank you so much to do this and share with us. I have learned so much about my history as I am the second generation born in this peninsula. That puts my grandfather in the last group of migrant that came here.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
In the grand scheme of things, that put you within the Sinkhek group, which the majority of us are.
@iechuanlee9326
@iechuanlee9326 Күн бұрын
There is a small discrepancy here, when did "Halal" come into local cuisine when the locals are all mixed religions.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Society in the 16th to 18th centuries were much more fluid than it is today. During that time, the Malays were in the process of embracing Islam, but the Muslim faith was not universal among them, or enforced yet. As for the Chinese, the concept of halal was totally foreign to them back then.
@pohtintan1850
@pohtintan1850 Күн бұрын
Thank youfor yor imformation .lm 81 yrs old, born in Penang. My mother is Nonya and my father a Tan( Hokkien) from Bukit Tambun , P W. He claimed hisfather came from the same village in China as the Entrepreneur Tan Ka Kieh. Im keen to know the na.e of that place in southern China. Tks
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33!
@YoonLeeKok
@YoonLeeKok Күн бұрын
Thank you for this. Very informative.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33!
@muhammadadzimlanau9621
@muhammadadzimlanau9621 Күн бұрын
Good historical timeline of the chinese in west msia. If only the peranakans and baba nyonya knew how to read and write. But less is also known about sabahan chinese. Any info on them?
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Literacy has been the privilege of the elites for much of history, right up to the beginning of the 20th century. In the case of Penang, when the British established Penang Island, they did found schools, such as the Penang Free School, so that the locals have chance to education. But this represents only a small percentage of the population at that time, with the majority of the people remaining illiterate. The handicap presented by illiteracy prevented the Peranakans and Baba Nyonyas, and in fact, much of the local Chinese, from passing their history down to us. What we do know is based on what was left behind by the literate, that is to say, the elites who built clan associations. But these elites focused on their own history (but we couldn't blame them - they are merchants and priests, not journalists) so our documented history is skewed towards what they wrote down. Is there anybody in Sabah working to research and document the history of the Chinese in Sabah? That would make interesting exposition. Alas, my knowledge of it is scarce.
@kikichin
@kikichin Күн бұрын
Great work Timothy. Since you're a Xinning (Taishanese) like me, and born in Penang state, can you do research on tour Xinning people from Taishan in Penang (including Province Wellesley). Can you comment on the Taishanese Clan Association at King Street, Georgetown?
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Aside from this KZbin channel, the bulk of my documentation is on my website, Penang Travel Tips. All the sights along King Street is documented, with map, on this page: www.penang-traveltips.com/king-street.htm I list there the various sights, including the Chong San Wooi Koon/Heong San Hoay Kuan. The information on my website is all that I have for now, until I have chance research deeper.
@siew-hn4il
@siew-hn4il Күн бұрын
Bravo. Love your information
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33.
@siew-hn4il
@siew-hn4il 2 сағат бұрын
@@learnpenanghokkien WOW reply in Hokkien.
@NAIPENGTEY
@NAIPENGTEY Күн бұрын
Great job, very informative! Please put these in writing and publish for wider circulation, and for reference by the future generation.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Nowadays, KZbin is the swiftest way to reach out to people, and takes less effort on the part of the recipient of the information, as no reading is needed. More videos covering other aspects of our history will be produced.
@hweiii
@hweiii Күн бұрын
Thanks for this history ❤
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33.
@JosephTin
@JosephTin Күн бұрын
Good work. This gives an all round coverage of this history of Chinese in Malaysia and Singapore particularly. It also laid a good framework for the understanding of Chinese history in Southeast Asia in general. Thank you. I learned a lot. Much appreciated.
@learnpenanghokkien
@learnpenanghokkien Күн бұрын
Kam1siah33 lu4 ce33-ce33.