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@johnfleet1854
@johnfleet1854 13 сағат бұрын
Ok then here's one for the theists ... God knows everything right ?! , therefore he knew before I was born I would be an atheist (with NO possible change to be religious) yet he (God) still had me born only to then punish me eternally in hell .... how fkin twisted is that.
@jod35.
@jod35. 4 сағат бұрын
This question is important. By being human, you are born to be doomed to eternal death.
@MarathonMadeGalatians5-22
@MarathonMadeGalatians5-22 Күн бұрын
Ive subbed bro just to hear your story that lead you away from Jesus, for now, it seems its humans that put you off so this video will be interesting to listen to
@MarathonMadeGalatians5-22
@MarathonMadeGalatians5-22 Күн бұрын
Bro im sorry about hearing this. I think your still a brother even though you feel let down :) you only need to drink the water Jesus gives you once. Your saved my bro :) give it time or when your body fades, you'll see jesus. I have confidence in Jesus Promise. 17:00 i agree bro
@exvangelicarol5336
@exvangelicarol5336 4 күн бұрын
For many years I have been bothered by some of the studies that have been done on friendship and happiness. So the claim is that "having lots of friends makes people happier." They also claim that getting married makes people happier.🙄 I maybe disagree. Maybe it's that very happy, friendly people naturally make more friends? And that naturally happy people are more likely to attract a mate? I have anxiety and depression. I'm not a "happy" person. But I try to make the best of it. And I LOVE being home by myself. 🥰 For decades my parents told me that if I could only find the right church and make some friends, then I would be happy.... good grief. 😖😂 the last thing I want is more people in my life! I already have to deal with co-workers and neighbors. I get so much joy and validation from the online communities like this channel ❣ I love your take on so many aspects of life! It's not like traditional friendships, but in many ways it's an even deeper connection when we find people who think like how we do and care about the same things. Love your content!
@jod35.
@jod35. 3 күн бұрын
Thanks friend. Hope the community here will be your friends
@exvangelicarol5336
@exvangelicarol5336 3 күн бұрын
@@jod35. thank you ☺
@XalpeN16
@XalpeN16 5 күн бұрын
Good video, and well said. I prefer to call "God" whenever discussing religion to Christians "Yahweh" because it makes zero sense to have just another mythology hijack the entire concept and noun of God. We don't give other man-made deities the privilege of stealing the noun "God" as it's own, so why does this religion get the exception?
@XalpeN16
@XalpeN16 5 күн бұрын
Why does this video have 1,140 comments and 69 likes? Btw I love the username
@hannahhodgins9516
@hannahhodgins9516 5 күн бұрын
Just subscribed to you!!
@RobertGraziose
@RobertGraziose 6 күн бұрын
25:00 unfortunately i too was blind enough to think gid was on my side, while ignoring all the suffering around me. Then reality came around I saw that I was one of these unfortunate people that I so arrogantly pitied. Now looking at movies like Schindlers list, and watching the news has given me a much needed wake up call. My own Disabilitating neuropathy, and my mothers tragic death, set me straight. I can't believe that there are people in my family that still believe in this invisible man. But that number is few.
@Unknown-f7x2e
@Unknown-f7x2e 9 күн бұрын
Jesus does love u and does want a relationship with u!!
@jod35.
@jod35. 7 күн бұрын
I wanted a relationship with him but didn’t hear from him. How can you have a relationship with a person who doesn’t communicate or show up?
@RobertGraziose
@RobertGraziose 6 күн бұрын
​@jod35. Amen brother. I REALLY tried. As did my mother, she met with a bad death. No way to treat someone who unselfishley sang your praises in the chior for 70+ years.
@Martin-z1j
@Martin-z1j 13 күн бұрын
Thank you.i agree with you.
@pblogger9065
@pblogger9065 14 күн бұрын
Excellent. Africa, like the rest of the world, can only advance when we give up faith.
@punanyologist
@punanyologist 14 күн бұрын
i think we need to stop using that roman word "Atheist" my brother its using their word i myself refer to myself as a non beLIEver a "Theist" is a beLIEver so why use beLIEver in your description the first people to be called "Atheist" were the first christians the letter "j" wasn't even in existence at the supposed time of jesus all these words derserve no praise whatsoever so i do not use them the word "God"is roman devil roman word lucifer actually translates to "The Bearer of LIght" all roman words of oppression
@hotstove9
@hotstove9 15 күн бұрын
You are raising important questions about life’s deeper issues. Unfortunately, faith is often embedded in a person’s core identity, and questioning it can feel like an attack on their very existence. Most people are taught to believe without questioning. I was part of a cult called The Message, and no matter how much evidence I presented to my fellow believers, it only seemed to strengthen their loyalty. A society unwilling to engage in critical thinking and open discussion remains stagnant, becoming a tool in the hands of those who exploit progress for their own purposes faithwithperspective.blogspot.com
@FABRlCE
@FABRlCE 16 күн бұрын
Sending love from Rwanda! I'm Atheist too. been a Christian from young age until 18. now 24! six years already. We are simply not convinced, not out to get anyone! still respectful of everyone and ready to change my mind anytime I'm faced with convincing evidences! meanwhile life is still precious and no, we are not likely to do horrible things to others because we don't believe in God's punishment, doing good is still part of our nature just as doing bad! I personally sleep well knowing that I could help out someone that day. one good example is mostly Atheist countries like Sweden, Finland,... their population is not out there committing crimes and behaving in heartless way because it's all about culture and humanity in the end
@RobertGraziose
@RobertGraziose 6 күн бұрын
Sweden is an atheist country? I guess that's why ABBA is so good 😅.
@FABRlCE
@FABRlCE 16 күн бұрын
Sending love from Rwanda! I'm Atheist too. been a Christian from young age until 18. now 24! six years already. We are simply not convinced, not out to get anyone! still respectful of everyone and ready to change my mind anytime I'm faced with convincing evidences! meanwhile life is still precious and no, we are not likely to do horrible things to others because we don't believe in God's punishment, doing good is still part of our nature just as doing bad! I personally sleep well knowing that I could help out someone that day. one good example is mostly Atheist countries like Sweden, Finland,... their population is not out there committing crimes and behaving in heartless way because it's all about culture and humanity in the end.
@jod35.
@jod35. 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comment
@Prophet.TaeTae144K
@Prophet.TaeTae144K 16 күн бұрын
He's literally not hidden or hiding from any of us the problem is you must be born again (you going to church and following all of these man-made traditions does nothing for you whatsoever) Keep Jesus Christ commandments, be separated from the world and be filled with his rivers of Living Waters
@jod35.
@jod35. 15 күн бұрын
All of which I thought I executed perfectly. And being honest I didn’t hear from God, many times “prophets” make conclusions about what God told them but end up being wrong. Should we say God can sometimes get things wrong? There’s absolutely nothing we can know for sure about God’s will
@Pax-Africana
@Pax-Africana 18 күн бұрын
Why do you think we should care?
@jod35.
@jod35. 18 күн бұрын
I think you should care because what you believe affects what you do to others and how you live.
@danielmb01
@danielmb01 20 күн бұрын
If poeple REALLY belived in Heaven and Hell (which nobody does), the most obvious thing a mother should do is to abort her children. No parent would risk the possibility of their children going to Hell, which lasts for ETERNITY. Eternity is something beyond our imagination. 2 years and 2 quadrillion years are virtually the same time compared to eternity.
@solomonessix6909
@solomonessix6909 20 күн бұрын
Understanding the prolific absorption of other beliefs and traditions from other cultures, I suspect there is a high likelihood that the Universal Church borrowed the “hiddenness” attributes from the Egyptian deity, Ammon; a convenient way to explain away the absence of their divine phantasm and “useful fiction”.
@solomonessix6909
@solomonessix6909 20 күн бұрын
Another one of many reasons I left religion was the contradictory claim of Jesus’ parentage. According to the Biblical, it provides two different genealogies to prove Jesus’ relationship to the line of David through Joseph. But the Bible makes all the genealogies mute by claiming a virgin birth. How can that be? The Bible cannot have it both ways. Any attempt to do so is insulting to the intelligence of the believers. To this day Apologetics offends millions defending this biblical contradiction. This leads right into another reason to leave; the being the failed claim of biblical inerrancy. Again apologists play in of faces when they tell you that god is actually saving little girls and giving them to “pdf. Files” for good purposes, beyond being booty, spoils of war and s£x slaves. This calls into question the morality of this “good” god. Whenever, you compare a body count of the number of lives god ended, god wins. And mostly god rampages to show off, like he did with pharaoh. God even messed with his “free will” by hardening his heart ♥️. God has a tendency to treat people like NPCs. There is so much more I could say, but I will stop here.
@jod35.
@jod35. 20 күн бұрын
God watches it all but can’t do anything, they will say he has hell to send them to. This kind of thinking is so bad
@solomonessix6909
@solomonessix6909 20 күн бұрын
The problem of evil is a potent issue that condemns god belief. I left religion when I realized that god condones slavery in the Bible . Then in 1493 Pope Alexander VI issued the Doctrine of Discovery” asserting the right to colonize, convert and enslave people of the Americas, including Africans. It broke my heart to realize that we pray to the very deity that allowed the church to enslave us. But eventually I came to realize that religion is a tool of nation building, war and conquest.
@jod35.
@jod35. 20 күн бұрын
This history led me to start questioning what I believed. I asked myself why am all loving god would let people lack knowledge of him for thousands of years till the 19th century when the part of Africa I was born in got missionaries If salvation is entirely possible based on belief in Jesus, I was going to lose the chance of seeing my great grandfather in the afterlife. This was my fear.
@raykats
@raykats 21 күн бұрын
Most people especially in Africa do not like to ask these hard questions. They block them with responses like Gods mind is too great to understand or God works in mysterious ways and close the debate. They prefer the comfort of ignorance than the pain of knowledge. They would rather bury their heads in the sand and leave it to the philosophers and religious leaders to deal with such problems for fear of being judged. Good job opening up the conversation space and keep it up.
@jod35.
@jod35. 20 күн бұрын
Thanks for the kind comment. Many Christians are not aware that these are beliefs that came to them because they’re born into such faiths. They don’t even read their bible
@voltronlegendaryguardiansl7261
@voltronlegendaryguardiansl7261 21 күн бұрын
Well, unfortunately, and Generally Speaking, this's a meaninglessly worthless and fruitlessly merritless video in and of itself overall, and also, altogether as well.
@jod35.
@jod35. 20 күн бұрын
Just funny why you wasted some precious time of your life to live such a comment. Very stupidly
@voltronlegendaryguardiansl7261
@voltronlegendaryguardiansl7261 14 күн бұрын
@jod35. - Well, unfortunately, and Generally Speaking, you don't practically say anything else nor absolutely everything else that hasn't already been parotted by others previously and/or that hasn't already been realistically said by others beforehand as well, as not only do you not even bother to answerably (re)-solve any single one of your own personal question(s) within this very video w/h out inevitably being orchestratively influenced by your own personal biases nor do you even bother to questionably challenge any of what you've actively read from others beyond just a Surface Level Of Things, but you didn't even bother to further broadly expand upon any single one of your own personal stances on why individuals such as Sam Harris has any point(s) that'd be legitimately valid for whether Jehovah God exists and is a Omni-(Benevolently.) All-(Loving.) Deity in and of itself nor did you even bother to discussingly talk about how if not why other things and matters such as The Problem Of Evil And Suffering could possibly if not would definitely have any sort of factually truthful basis within any single facet of Reality and Existence itself proactively as well either. - (Amongst many other things and matters.). And, so, once again, this's all still worthlessly meaningless and fruitlessly merritless to even reactively say and/or overall, and also, altogether as well. (And, by the way, you need to functionally work on other things and matters such as your English, since most if not all of your comment(s) have a lot of errors and don't make a lick of sense as much as they should. (And, even then, stop mindlessly guessing and thoughtlessly assuming that you understandably know absolutely everything about my own personal comment(s) in such an moronically idiotic way, in such an obnoxiously pretentious manner, and in such an simple-mindedly narrow-minded fashion. (And that especially includes the intention(s) behind said comment(s) as well.).).
@AdamKlownzinger
@AdamKlownzinger 21 күн бұрын
Well done on this video brother. Edit: that last comment made me sad. Sort of indicative of what Christianity, which claims to provide a basis of objective morality and basic decency, fails to do.
@jod35.
@jod35. 20 күн бұрын
Morality goes beyond God
@AdamKlownzinger
@AdamKlownzinger 21 күн бұрын
I know for a fact that theists don’t believe themselves when they try to claim that the good of free will (which we can’t even have if a tri-omni timeless God who created literally everything actually exists) makes up for the full totality of all the human suffering that has happened, is happening and will continue to happen, because it’s just as often answered with “Why hasn’t God defeated evil and suffering? Well, he will. Eventually.” Wait, I thought suffering was a necessary evil that accompanied the good of the free will that we don’t have?
@jod35.
@jod35. 20 күн бұрын
They make the worst of excuses
@realilty
@realilty 21 күн бұрын
There is only one Cast- The Caste of HUMANITY. There is only one Religion- The Religion of LOVE. There is only one Commandment- The Commandment of TRUTHFULNESS. There is only one Law- The Law of CAUSE and EFFECT. There is only one God - The Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient Lord. There is only one Language- The Language of HEART or the Language of SILENCE. ~ Swami Sivananda
@jod35.
@jod35. 20 күн бұрын
Turns out you speak the language of loudness
@realilty
@realilty 21 күн бұрын
All Men who have found God state that his nature is immaterial. All true religions state that as well. God is beyond all scientific experiments. You will not find him in any peer reviewed paper. To expect that shows ignorance on the nature of God. The materialist stance is the wrong approach to proving God's existence.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 21 күн бұрын
Exactly. A mind state, nothing else. You are an atheist. A self loathing, angry atheist.
@realilty
@realilty 21 күн бұрын
@@mattyd2818 God is the way my friend... I do not accept anything of what you say about me. I believe in God and always will. He is your own Inner Self. Shake the evil that is covering you my friend! God Bless.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 21 күн бұрын
@realilty So god is a mental concept....a mind state, not an existent being.. i don't know why you objected to this notion, as this is exactly what you are proposing.
@jod35.
@jod35. 19 күн бұрын
@reality you claim to have an understanding of your god. Right? This shows that you can prove that he exists. Do so. There’s no reason to just call others illogical without making a single point.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 19 күн бұрын
@jod35. He does not believe God exists though. It's a waste of time. He will just respond with absurd abstract notions.
@tradergman6761
@tradergman6761 21 күн бұрын
In answer to your question: If this world is permanent, yes I expect God's intervention and protection; if not, then I do not expect God's intervention and protection as there is a higher purpose in play despite how difficult that may be to understand for some.
@jod35.
@jod35. 21 күн бұрын
I love how you think, though we’re are not at all sure of an after life exists.
@tradergman6761
@tradergman6761 21 күн бұрын
We use our eyes to see but ears to hear. What the ear has heard helps the eye understand what has been seen. Knowledge of the eternal is discerned by intuition's eye. The ear of reasoning fully illuminates it.
@jod35.
@jod35. 20 күн бұрын
@@tradergman6761 And this is why I am not a Christian, for me to believe in the teachings of that faith would lead me to conducting myself in ways that would be hateful towards others, and also evil. That is why I would rather use my eyes of reason
@tradergman6761
@tradergman6761 20 күн бұрын
@@jod35. Call it Christian, or call it not - God's way .. the ONLY way .. is to walk in love and truth. It is as undeniable as the air one breathes, or the gravity that roots our feet to this terra-firma. All of this bickering over ideas is like ripples in a pond of water that once stood undisturbed. If our heart loves the truth, we will find our way into God, and into His truth, no matter which path we take. The light that comes from intuition shines upon our reasoning allowing us full sight. Our reasoning is as a prism that refracts light into it's many shades of color, but without the shining light, it is simply a pretty object.
@writestable
@writestable 22 күн бұрын
Nigerian here , I love your Ghanaian accent 🎉❤
@IsidoreJoseph-g7x
@IsidoreJoseph-g7x 22 күн бұрын
Millions of people are on the verge of starvation,and thousands being massacred by people who are praying to him five timer a day,where is god?who has the power to stop it,it is not god it is man,man is in control.God has for a long time been powerless to help the Sudanese people,god is missing so many golden opportunities to justify all those praises given to him by his followers,it don’t make sense
@black-cross
@black-cross 22 күн бұрын
8:27 so God using our evil for good, should excuse when bad people use evil to achieve what they deem to be good?
@jod35.
@jod35. 21 күн бұрын
That’s what apologists say
@black-cross
@black-cross 21 күн бұрын
@@jod35. i think they rightfully say that to comfort people and trust God, not as an excuse for evil doers
@superfit60s21
@superfit60s21 23 күн бұрын
I agree. In fact, the problem of evil and suffering must surely be the main reason for not believing in a loving, caring Creator.
@superfit60s21
@superfit60s21 23 күн бұрын
EXCELLENT video and Wisely proposed argument. Keep up these honest, sincere, thought provoking, and enlightening videos.
@malusimathaba4040
@malusimathaba4040 24 күн бұрын
When i visit uGanda next year, i would love to have lunch with you ❤its your Authentic calmness and Truth that i love so much about you keep it up
@jod35.
@jod35. 21 күн бұрын
😂 kindly tell me when you get here. I’ll love to meet you
@malusimathaba4040
@malusimathaba4040 21 күн бұрын
@jod35. will definitely keep in touch brother 😃
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 24 күн бұрын
Wow. I had to explain basic english and use of synomous phrases and it turns out this dude is a professional english instructor. 😂
@malusimathaba4040
@malusimathaba4040 24 күн бұрын
Wow, an African who's an Aethist never😂 just kidding well brother you are not the only one who's removed the shackles of Dogma and indoctrination from religion! Watching from South Africa 🇿🇦
@jod35.
@jod35. 21 күн бұрын
Love from Uganda 🇺🇬
@dariusmorris6946
@dariusmorris6946 25 күн бұрын
By what standard are you people judging what is good and evil? Everything is subjective without a god
@jod35.
@jod35. 21 күн бұрын
My own. And if you need good to tell you that something is good or evil, I’m scared to say that you don’t have or make less use of your brain. Yes, that’s the energy you get if you come at me like that. But to be honest, I know something is evil just because I can at least understand the results of it happening. (Consequences) I’m also empathetic, I don’t have to experience a hurricane to know what harm it can cause to others
@realilty
@realilty 26 күн бұрын
Not proving a negative is word play. You can not say something doesn't exist with no proof. That's the most intellectually dishonest stance one can take. This is the chameleon tactics of atheism which is based on a lie. It's like asking a criminal to fess up to a crime. They will lie and misdirect you to hide the truth as best they can. Welcome to atheism.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 25 күн бұрын
You don't need proof to believe something. You need evidence that supports your conclusion. And as stated in the other convo, I have sufficient evidence that supports my believe. And of course, you were dodging my inquiry and all you want to do is attack and grandstand. So now we have a second convo for you to actually show how i am lying, irrational, etc. I am waiting. You know, you told me you would not answer because other atheists attack and mock you. 2 observations, you probably deserved it because god belief is bullshit and can't actually be defended, as is on full display by you, and 2, all you are doing on here is attacking and trying to disparage atheists. You are a truly pathetic person.
@realilty
@realilty 25 күн бұрын
@@mattyd2818 Dude what happened to all your respect. Sigghhh. Same old same old. You wonder why I get upset
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 25 күн бұрын
@realilty You get upset because you know you can't defend your belief rationally, and when atheists treat you accordingly you go into defense mode. Answer my inquiry, I don't give a shit about your ad hominems and grandstanding. They say more about you .
@RonyThomasMusic
@RonyThomasMusic 27 күн бұрын
I have this convo with some friends of mine. As someone who is a believer my question for those who have the problems with evil is this; what is the common denominator? To me it’s Humans committing these acts against humans for their own self interest. We talk about world hunger but we spend what it takes to end world hunger for a year, in a day on Black Friday or for the holidays. Why doesn’t the fault and self interest of humans contribute to the conversation of evil. Its always “where is God when these happen” but Jesus being an example of love towards all is so damning that if everyone followed it in the world it would be a worse place? I find it hard to believe. I think the problem of evil comes from the selfishness and pursuit of self interest and when that’s done on the grandest of spectrums we get what we see now; people committing unspeakable acts to other humans. I could be very wrong though.
@jod35.
@jod35. 26 күн бұрын
What of the earthquakes? I have never experienced a hurricane in my life. But I hear of those. Where are gods including Yahweh when such things claim the lives of humans. What of women who get raped without doing a thing. He watches people who do such things without intervening
@RonyThomasMusic
@RonyThomasMusic 26 күн бұрын
@@jod35. Natural Disasters I can understand the argument but here is something I try to think about. If we are to take what the bible says as true, that God is mainly concerned with the contents of our heart, how often have we committed heinous acts(within ourselves) but only never acted them out? I'm not justifying what happens to those individuals who experience that. It truly is one of the worst things a human can do to another. All I'm saying is that I assume we can all think of a time where we have internally thought to do something unbecoming to another person. Also another thing to I do wonder when people ask God to intervene, but how do we want him to intervene without obstructing free will(if you believe in it)?
@justinh.6683
@justinh.6683 21 күн бұрын
​@@RonyThomasMusic I think you are missing something. Ill try to illustrate. 1. God made your heart knowing the evil acts you would commit and knowing the harm it would bring you and others. God knew before making your heart whether it would ever "come to him" and even if it would never change he made it anyway. All theses statements are true if God is all knowing. 2. God can stop the suffering he is aware of at any time. God can make you in a way which you do not desire evil acts. God can make the most evil of this world not be evil at all or less evil. God can make the world so that babies and children and any who have not commited evil themselves do not suffer needlessly from disease, famine, genocide etc. These statements are all true if God is all powerful. 3. God is aware and present for all evil that occurs in this world. God sees, hears, and is cognizent of all the evil, even the most unspeakable acts that would compel evil and moral prople alike to intervene. These statements are true if God is omni present. So considering all of the above statements we then ask, "Is God all good?" If God is all good then how can he be the architect of such depravity? If God is all good how can he be aware of all that will happen, be present for all the evil that will happen and not intervene? If the first 3 claims are all true (God forsees all, has dominion over all, and is present for all) as asserted by the bible and overwhelmingly by Christians then it does not logically follow that "God is all good". Conversly if we are to say that God is or must be in fact all good then God must not be compatible with one of the other claims, as being all good, a being would be compelled to intervene if possible as demonstrated earlier. In conclusion the 4 major claims about Gods nature; that God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent, are in contradiction to one another considering the world we live in. Therefore one or all of the God claims must be incorrect, and by default then the bible is incorrect, as well as Christians at large. An exercise: Ask yourself, "what is the most atrocious act you can imagine?", that surely has happened. Then ask yourself, If I was an all powerful being would I knowingly create the players, victims, and place where these imagined acts will occur, then set the ball in motion? Would you do what the bible implicates that God has done?
@GHOSTndMACHINZ
@GHOSTndMACHINZ 13 күн бұрын
@@RonyThomasMusic so the child molester’s free will is more important to your god than protecting a child. Even if I conceded that humans do evil too. How do you explain away natural disasters? How do explain away children dying of cancer? Why should animals suffer? Why are some born with disabilities and afflictions that they cannot control? You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the problem of evil is..
@RonyThomasMusic
@RonyThomasMusic 13 күн бұрын
@@GHOSTndMACHINZ I don't think its a misunderstanding. What constitutes evil? Suffering i can understand where you are coming from but humans do evil and can be direct causes of suffering. We say God is aware of all this but doesn't that mean we are as well(including those who do heinous acts, (I don't think all are completely unaware of the actions they are committing.) and yet we continue to commit atrocities to each other. Natural disasters I will concede I have nothing to say about that. But humanity as a whole could do better when those things happen. Animal suffrage etc. However, I do think we have a part to play in animal suffrage as well. I also think that because we are experiencing everything we view it from the experience rather than from the outside looking in. I'm not condoning a child molesters actions. I think it is an evil thing to do. But the issue is the person committing the act. Things like children and cancer and disabilities another point i concede and can't speak on it. I do know genetics change and certain things can effect it but I don't have any response for that. I don't think it is an misunderstanding of evil. Humans commit evil acts of their own choice. The suffering in the world I do not have an answer for other than some of the suffering is also caused by us humans
@ziploc2000
@ziploc2000 28 күн бұрын
To an atheist evil is just an adjective, a word we use for people and actions we don't like. To a certain type of Christian it's a noun, a malevolent force out to cause harm. To an atheist it's not a problem, shit happens, and we try to deal with it as best we can. The excusagist has to explain why babies die of brain cancer and other incurable diseases, why innocent people die in wars, and why their supposedly omnipotent god does nothing.
@topgunaudio7983
@topgunaudio7983 28 күн бұрын
Hmmm … the theist always makes the positive claim god exists by default, the atheist says there is insufficient proof and would be in a position that they have to defend their position against thousands of gods and denominations which is impossible. On that basis burden of proof must always lie with the theist to prove their good out of the thousands is actually there! I have no more proof for a god than I do for fairies, monsters, etc etc so to claim I have any burden means I also have to defend this position as well and I have far better things to do with my life.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 26 күн бұрын
Wrong. Theism is not a positive claim.
@topgunaudio7983
@topgunaudio7983 26 күн бұрын
@ course it is! The claim is not only a supernatural being exists but it is a particular one out of a list of thousands. That is most definitely a positive claim.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 26 күн бұрын
@topgunaudio7983 Wrong! Theism is the word that indicates BELIEF. A belief is NOT a claim.
@topgunaudio7983
@topgunaudio7983 26 күн бұрын
@ wrong!! to believe it is in itself a claim of existence - without belief there is nothing to consider so you are wrong on all levels! Belief is to assert something, in this case existence of a divine being, without evidence.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 26 күн бұрын
@topgunaudio7983 Nope. "I believe x" is a statement about what an individual ACCEPTS TO BE THE CASE. A claim is a statement about what IS THE CASE. "I believe x" is NOT the same as "x exists/is true. Furthermore, a belief only needs to be an internal expression. A claim is a statement that is NECASSARILY external. In other words, an individual can, without verbal or written expression, think to themselves, I accept proposition x. There is NO CLAIM being made in the acceptance or rejection of a proposition. You are a moron. Put another way: the information being communicated in the statement "I believe x" is that one has a belief. It is NOT communicated that x is the case.
@tionarry
@tionarry Ай бұрын
"You don't prove the negative" is not an absolute rule. Meaning it's not always true that you do not have to prove the negative. Atheists try to have their cake and eat it too. Atheists claim the position of agnosticism but label it "atheism" because it sounds fancy and "most intellectuals are atheists" so they claim to be atheists because it's what the cool guys believe. Yes, atheists have to prove there's no GOD. Why? Because atheism by definition is a position that *CLAIMS* that *GOD DOES NOT EXIST* . I know atheism had been disguised to now become the new agnosticism by defining it as "lack of belief in the existence of GOD", but this definition still doesn't absolve the atheist from the question of "why". Why don't you believe there's a GOD? It's still a question you'll have to provide an answer. There are only 3 real options: There's a GOD (theistic claim) There's no GOD (atheists claim) I don't know (agnostic position) If atheism is "I lack belief in the existence of GOD" does that also mean agnostics are atheists or vice versa since agnostics also don't believe GOD exist? Nope. If it's just atheists redefining their position because it's now obvious there's no good argument against the existence of GOD (at least a deistic God) . The historical position of atheism is "There's no GOD". If your position is "I lack belief in GOD", you're an agnostic and not an atheist.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 26 күн бұрын
Wrong. Atheism is NOT a claim. A claim is a statement about what IS the case. Atheism is a personal postion, about what one BELIEVES to be the case. The statement "no gods exist" is NOT the same as "I believe no gods exist" or "I lack a belief in god". Both of which are atheism, not agnosticism. And btw, theism is NOT a claim either, it indicates an acceptance (belief). You could not be more wrong about everything you wrote. Edit: and your last point about no good argument: I have very strong evidence for no gods existing. And of course you will reply demanding I give it. But we are going to both need to be fair and honest. You will need to accept and acknowledge your numerous mistakes before I put any energy and effort into explaining my personal views to you. PLEASE take your time and think before you reply.
@tionarry
@tionarry 26 күн бұрын
@mattyd2818 you do realize I already anticipated this response by explaining that atheism is not "I lack belief in GOD", right? I emphatically mentioned that the definition of atheism has evolved (started in the 20th century) from a claim to a belief that's similar to what agnostics believe. Atheism is *THE OPPOSITE OF THEISM*. It cannot be the opposite of theism if it's not a claim (i.e there is no GOD). It's just laughable at this point. DO you lack belief in the claim, "there in a GOD"? Yes you do as an atheist. Do you lack belief in the claim, "there is no GOD"? If your answer is yes, you're an agnostic. Do you lack belief in the claim, "there is no GOD"? If your answer is no, then you believe the *claim* "There is no GOD". As I already indicated, I'm aware there are notions of implicit/weak and explicit/strong atheism. I simply reject this as word salad. Weak atheism is the position of withholding judgement and that's the position agnostics have held for centuries. Prominent Philosopher Antony Flew who was an atheist and later became a deist (because of the teleological argument for GOD'S/God's existence) already explained why this is the case. You cannot deny that atheism claims "There is no GOD/God/gods", unless you're ignorant it's the original definition before the 20th century. You might decide to claim you're a weak/implicit atheist, but I'll just see you as an agnostic trying to stick to the atheist tag because it's the "cool guys club". There is no good argument against the existence of God. There are arguments against the existence of a "theistic GOD". I'm not going to demand you give it because I've seen and heard it all. None are good arguments against the existence of God. No where did I indicate I was a deist or a theist. So why assume I would demand you provide the arguments you heard? I could be an atheist or an agnostic like Anthony Flew just pointing out why I find problem with the new definition of atheism God in my writings refer to a kind of deistic God. GOD refers to a theistic GOD
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 26 күн бұрын
@tionarry So, making a claim and believing a claim are the same? What I read in your response is that accepting or not accepting a proposition or claim is also a claim itself. Is that your position?
@tionarry
@tionarry 26 күн бұрын
@mattyd2818 then I'd say you read me again. Withholding judgement on a claim is an agnostic position. I think I did make this clear
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 26 күн бұрын
@tionarry So, "I believe no gods exist": Is that atheism?
@realilty
@realilty Ай бұрын
Atheist's, the original flat earthers
@jod35.
@jod35. 29 күн бұрын
Stfu and show some evidence for your god.
@realilty
@realilty 29 күн бұрын
@@jod35. If you can't see evidence for God then you are a neanderthal.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 26 күн бұрын
​@@realiltyAll gods are mere mental concepts.
@realilty
@realilty 26 күн бұрын
@@jod35. you can't show evidence to a neanderthal. It's like showing them a cell phone, they won't understand
@realilty
@realilty 26 күн бұрын
@@mattyd2818 Neanderthal level understanding of God. Enjoy your dark age ignorance.
@S.S.Gaiseb
@S.S.Gaiseb Ай бұрын
There is no burden of proof of anyone. Believer or non-believer. There are so many times Jesus who embodied truth, did not persuade certain individuals, not that he didnt like them, but because of the dispostion of their heart. If the necessary doseage that is suppose to get you hooked won't do anything, dont expect a granduer or fascinating or more profound truth to convince you because you hade made up in your mind already God does not exist. Live with it.
@jod35.
@jod35. 29 күн бұрын
I hate this kind of thinking. You people trying to know well what we think. I know for sure why people think of atheists as angry. It’s frustrating hearing people reason this way. You think I wouldn’t believe in god if he gave me good reason to? How dare you?
@S.S.Gaiseb
@S.S.Gaiseb 29 күн бұрын
@jod35. I know what atheists think, I'm not attracted to it I'm not trying to investigate it I'm not trying to question it. When you know the truth it satisfies your soul's need. Atheists believe the world came into existence from nothing, I'm not going to sit and waste my time around that logic. When the scribes asked Jesus for a sign he didn't give them the sign they asked for because the problem is not intellectual it is moral, and the heart of man is the problem. He walked on water, raised the dead, healed the blind, and fed 5000 with two fish and five loaves of bread. And still, people doubted.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 25 күн бұрын
​@S.S.Gaiseb Ok. All gods, including yours, are mere mental concepts. Now, all you have to do to back up your views about how atheists just have some sort of deficiency, describe your God in a manner that necassarily distinguishes an existent 'thing' from a mere mental concept. Perhaps I could follow your logic and determine this reality not through my intellect, but by examining my moral values and using my organ that pumps blood. This should be good.
@S.S.Gaiseb
@S.S.Gaiseb 25 күн бұрын
@mattyd2818 no it's not going to be good. Put your house in order first.
@mattyd2818
@mattyd2818 25 күн бұрын
​@@S.S.GaisebTypical dodging.
@lianna832
@lianna832 Ай бұрын
Haha Calvin Harris, guess you are an EDM fan!
@jod35.
@jod35. Ай бұрын
Yeah
@dalex60
@dalex60 Ай бұрын
Define a "true" Christian...
@jod35.
@jod35. Ай бұрын
I honestly don’t know what a true Christian is. But According to my own experience, I accepted Christ, read the Bible and believes all it said until I started doubting myself what it said. And in doing so, I found myself reading about the faith more to answer my questions only to realize that just like other religions, it’s man made
@PB-0116
@PB-0116 Ай бұрын
Well presented argument well done
@pathfinder1273
@pathfinder1273 Ай бұрын
First off, "atheism" is nothing more than a redundant term. Agnosticism is the uncertainty of the existence of God based on ones experience. Since it is impossible to prove non-existence, then agnosticism is the only option for someone who does not accept His existence. Anyone who tries to "go beyond" agnosticism is making a claim that God does not exist, and is now under the burden of proof that they demand of those who claim He does. Now I know I will probably receive lots of responses arguing against this, but all that will prove is that every "atheist" has his own homemade definition of the term. And do you expect your parents to come to your rescue each time you err, and then take care of it for you? So why should God when He gave us both free will and a mind to help us make choices and learn from them? "Evil" (which has no existence of its own, it is merely a lack of good) was a concept created to simplify reality for the people who lived in Biblical times. It was not possible to have philosophical conversations with such people, and so the use of threat was somewhat justified. Do we always sit our children down and go into a long, deep discussion about cosmology when we are teaching them the importance of following rules that are there for their safety? No, it is often a case of do what you are told and one day you will understand why. This whole argument is the result of extreme anthropocentric thinking. To use it to justify the denial of God is quite poorly thought out. We have become inured to expecting instant and guaranteed results, and somehow make the fatal error of expecting the same from a Creator Who knows infinitely more than we do about our reality. The highest learning any man can achieve is to admit to the limits of his understanding. "Atheism" does quite the opposite.
@jod35.
@jod35. 29 күн бұрын
Atheism is simply a lack of belief. Whether gnostic or agnostic, it is a stance on whether we believe gods exist or not. You too are surely an atheist when it comes to Thor or Mithra or Vishnu
@dabluegirl612
@dabluegirl612 Ай бұрын
I'm a confident Christian: what went into your becoming a Christian? How does one become a Christian?
@jod35.
@jod35. Ай бұрын
Accepting Christ as your savior, reading the Bible, and pretending to live a righteous life at the expense of every other person
@dabluegirl612
@dabluegirl612 Ай бұрын
​@@jod35. Sorry for my delay. Ok, so how do you accept Christ as your Savior? If someone stopped living a righteous life, what happens next (in relation to Christ, Christianity, God?)? Why does living a righteous life need to be at the expense of every other person? Please note, to pretend is going to introduce a corrupt factor into the mix.
@wander-wonder
@wander-wonder Ай бұрын
i think, most people conflict "accountances" with "friends", maybe because i grew up with the sitcom "FRIENDS", or because i'm from a bedouin family, i've developed a strong sence of Friendship!. I chose people and i make sacrifice and i require sacrifice from them, i build a "chosen" family bond with certain people, and as in all "family" dynamics, we bond and share common responsabilities and accountabilities of each other. The most important thing in "bonding" i think is "time spent" the more you sped time with someone, the more you groom each other, and so, the more you becaome intimatly linked, this is why, i frequently organise dinners, activities, or other gathering things with friends (mainly those who are in the city), because that is what strenghen the relation. Yes, at the begining, we meet due to a common ground, i.e activity, place etc, but then, in that, we exchange and challange our self, we got to invest into what we wanna build, if someone doesn't participate, then i abandon the "friend" dynamic with him, and yes, i dont have many friends, but i have strong and geniun friendships. The problem with the world of today, is that the digital have replaced most if not all of our social interactions. You see, in the past, if you wanted to know is someone was alright, you would directly go and meet up with him, and if you wanted to meet up with him, you had to know his routine and daily actifs, else, you could go to his place and miss him, thus time and energy wasted (not really wasted since, it is sacrifiece that give value to things). But today, most of the time, you do not contact your friends simply because you are tricked by the social feeds on social networks where you too often see the post of friends, that you think to know what is happening in their life (and vice versa, this is what i call speudo-comunication) and again more, you never really contact them, simply because you think you can do it when ever and where ever you want. But this is simply an illusion, because the reality is that, the person post how he wanna be "percieved" and you to do the same, and you react with a like,heart or a two-three words ready made phrase comment, and years pass, no one knows nothing about the life of the other, and soon you realise that, that person is just a contact in your phonelog or agenda for those who celebrate anniversaries. Then i think there is another issue, you brought it up here "people that will love me for who i am" that is also something that i think is really problematic with the modern mentality. Me, growing up, especialy in bedouin lifestyle, it is made clear to you that people dont like or love you for who you are, hell, even you, you don't really know who you are, so how can anyone love you for "who you are". People love you for what they percieve in you, and for what it rappresent to them!. And you too do the same!. A mother loves her child, because it is hers and because it rapresent a prolongement/extention of their selfs, a man love his wife, because she is beautiful or kind or intelligen or diligen or accomplished etc, and for what those atributes rapresent to him. That is the reality, so, if you know that, then when you meet someone, you got to observe the things that strikes you in the person, the things you appreciate in the person, and then think of how, why and what it rappresents to you!,and importantly, you got to share it with the person!. I am a man, and now i live in europe, but i come from the sahel region, and back there, us males hold hands even when walking on the streets, we kiss each other on the cheeks when we meet, we tell each other how we apreciate each other, we even write poems and send gifts to each other (of course all this only with friends and intimate people, we basicaly careless about others). But when i came here, i soon realised that here, all this were frown upon in males relations, but was verymuch the norm among female relations. This i think, is also a cause of the solitary lifes of males and the solidarity relations of females here in the west, but this is simply my opinion, and i am not a sociologist so i may aswell be very wrong.