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@sakebiouka
@sakebiouka 25 күн бұрын
This is genius
@DougHanson2769
@DougHanson2769 Ай бұрын
Jaynes Wells etc.
@nunyabizness214.
@nunyabizness214. 3 ай бұрын
What i love that in a way, the bicameral mind theory became true in season 4, sorta.
@samt1661
@samt1661 5 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJbQgpKMptKjoaMsi=2dR1fgeXuRD-CQGF
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 5 ай бұрын
A *self* is a metaphor, a thought, a concept that represents its body. There were no selfs before cultural evolution came up with the concept. The 'invention' of the concept of the self entailed/involved/initiated the unification of the brain's god side thoughts with its man side thoughts. From our conscious perspective bicameral minded people were not conscious and neither were their nomadic tribal ancestors. This idea is very tough to grasp by the many who have long held the preconception that every living thing is conscious, who haven't considered how reactivity and instinct are perfectly able to direct the extremely complex behavior of all the other organisms on this planet. In other words, the answer to the question, "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?", is NOTHING, there is no 'what its like' to be a bat, bat's are not conscious.
@hereniho
@hereniho 6 ай бұрын
The whole video reeks of some zoomer who heard the term in Westworld, skimmed over the Google AI Overview, and immediately made a video just to give bad jokes about "omg then EVERYTHING is a GOD haha lmao gottem"
@starwarsfamilyguy0
@starwarsfamilyguy0 7 ай бұрын
7:20 senseless hah.
@LauraSeabrook
@LauraSeabrook 11 ай бұрын
Haven't read that book but i have come across videos on KZbin about and by people who say they have NO INNER VOICE. And of course in addition to those, how does an inner voice work with someone who was born deaf? What would they "hear"?
@Ji21999
@Ji21999 Жыл бұрын
The bicarmeral mind is conected to the evolving of Consciousness through the time. The evolving is visible in our books and Arts, cause the word I ocures only in a late period of time. Like in a childs mind, the mind of menkind is evolving in an order...successively Thats what I thought when stubbling in this serie
@venmis137
@venmis137 Жыл бұрын
This video somehow attracted the tiny hordes of Jaynesian adherents lmao
@maxmatthews2463
@maxmatthews2463 Жыл бұрын
BIG MOOD.
@paul1887
@paul1887 Жыл бұрын
A person that successfully commits suicide must have a unicameral mind. In order to overcome the instincts to continue on, a person must be absolutely convinced that there is no such thing as hope. I think that hope has something to do with survival. Without possibility and randomness, there really can't be hope. Without free will, there can never be a reason to live. Then there's faith, and that's a real can of worms. Faith is illogical, yet without it, I don't see how we can accomplish anything. Atheists, Free Masons and Catholics have that in common. What would our world history look like if there was no religion? No cathedral's, no art, no science we would just be animals seeking to survive for no other reason then to survive. We might also have no religious wars but we would fight over resources which is what wars are really about. But who is going to fight in a war if not for a God's approval? I think we would get along better if we had no gods. Or should I say, ego's? I'll just keep thinkin on it.
@pilotgfx
@pilotgfx 2 жыл бұрын
hello hippoman, remember to fade clips in the ends to avoid clicking sound artefacts. kind regards
@met0701
@met0701 2 жыл бұрын
This is excruciating.
@4BWVan
@4BWVan 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't know how these guys do it. I would have lost the will to live at about question 5 or 6
@kaitlyne1870
@kaitlyne1870 2 жыл бұрын
I love how the most original question was basically "think of a question for me, and pretend like I asked it."
@theairinthebranches
@theairinthebranches 2 жыл бұрын
hilarious editing of some delightfully brutal moments; the soundtrack really makes it! great choices!
@stanislavstoimenov1729
@stanislavstoimenov1729 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how sci-fi always gets reduced to some snarky comment on the human condition.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
The human condition is the topic, sci-fi just a fitting vehicle for it. imho naturally.
@FitnessConnect
@FitnessConnect 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting - 3:05 vs Luke 23,34 “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do”.
@simmonedavis98
@simmonedavis98 3 жыл бұрын
JIMINIY CRICKET'S GOD, essentially.
@neilcreamer8207
@neilcreamer8207 3 жыл бұрын
An interesting thing I notice whenever there's a discussion about Jaynes is that the bicameral understanding of the voices is always compared to our modern view that they are thoughts either 'in our mind' or 'in our head'. In fact, we don't know where thoughts occur or even what they are and the very idea that they occur in our mind is the one which started to erode the bicameral understanding. Rather than a developmental change, I think that the switch to our modern mentation was as simple as the idea of self and mind spreading as a meme in our culture. Even today, children aren't born with this understanding but learn it from their parents.
@bernardomesilva
@bernardomesilva 2 жыл бұрын
Your answer is: first, past, breaking of bicameral mind. Today, still to understand that the brain is a receptor. future, knowing past present and future, able to go from material and not material worlds. post future, still searching about. I've dropped to you.
@danielmacias13
@danielmacias13 3 жыл бұрын
you said that the whole idea of ancient peoples of being noble automatons as "this is a cool sci-fi idea and it doesn't have basis in reality"... Julian Jayne's does put some good amount of scientific rigor with evidence and is still being disputed, I wouldn't just write it off. I'd recommend people taking a read: The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Westworld is a science fiction story, not because it rides on bicameral theory but because the light that heals flesh was stolen from Star Trek, and lots of other reasons.
@bntagkas
@bntagkas 3 жыл бұрын
it doesnt have much basis in reality? then you must know where your thoughts are coming from, who authors them, that would require you to think them, before you think them. a way to gain more insight into this is to try to seriously meditate, soon you discover your mind constantly wants to take you for a ride, and it creates such an oh so enticing story to tell you to immerse you, and get you to go along with it. but if you try to empty your mind you start to see behind the curtain, see how for some unknown reason your mind wants you to be constantly active, and takes you in increasingly fantastical and enticing rides in your mind, to get you to think, and sometimes do things. the more you try to dismiss one set of thoughts and empty your mind, the better and more enticing the stories get. in any case, nomatter how much you may want to believe you are the author of your thoughts, you may think you have free will, and all the rest...well i guess weather i can convince you or not is entirely up to your pre programming, you dont have much choice in the matter, and neither have i.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
Oh very nicely put. The author of me is my unconscious, the source of all my words. Being conscious is handy for deciding whether or not to say them.
@kornaxon3522
@kornaxon3522 3 жыл бұрын
We didn't 'stop listening' to the voices. The voices faded. There were no voices to listen to anymore as we started to think more logically.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing to do with logic. The voices of the gods manifested as auditory hallucinations in times of stress. The auditory hallucinations lost their authority after writing was invented. It was after evolutionary chance introduced the self concept into language that people became conscious. Cheers!
@simonegreco1958
@simonegreco1958 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao this was great, felt like a descent into insanity
@frazzyblue1384
@frazzyblue1384 3 жыл бұрын
You can tell when he’s really feeling it and when he’s just exhausted, we saw exhausted Chris too much in this video, hope he’s ok
@Sea8807
@Sea8807 3 жыл бұрын
The music in this video makes it even worse.
@calendulapulsatilla4594
@calendulapulsatilla4594 4 жыл бұрын
You sound like a stupid little sissy trying to be funny by criticizing something you know little about. Stick to your cartoons and comics you silly little boy.
@calendulapulsatilla4594
@calendulapulsatilla4594 4 жыл бұрын
Your examples are cheap, childish and 100% detrimental to Julian Jaynes and his theory. You are a farcical joke with a weird Scottish accent.
@MetalGamer666
@MetalGamer666 4 жыл бұрын
It's a fact that humans were once animals without consciousness. Somehow we acquired consciousness. It's not too far fetched that in between those two stages we had a sort of inner voice that gave us the ability to perform more complex tasks than what simple animals are able to do. Really interesting stuff! I think I'll get Julian Janes' book.
@ThisNameWasTaken0
@ThisNameWasTaken0 3 жыл бұрын
That “in-between” stages is just mutations in our species as we’ve evolved
@ThisNameWasTaken0
@ThisNameWasTaken0 3 жыл бұрын
Why did it happen? Elements combine to make a wide assortment of things. How did it happen? Humans are observed to have the fastest mutation rates amongst all primates.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
"It's a fact that humans were once animals without consciousness" is better written as... 'It's a fact that humans were once unconscious animals'. "Somehow we acquired consciousness" is better written as... 'Somehow we became conscious'. I'm glad you'll get the book. It will change you.
@Torabshaikh
@Torabshaikh 4 жыл бұрын
Ummm. Dolores about unexplored room is wrong.
@matonmongo
@matonmongo 4 жыл бұрын
The 'irrationality' of Bicameralism is still alive and well and driving our culture even in the 'post-modern' world. Only now we give it names like Tribalism, Religion, Prejudice, and Confirmation Bias.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
The bicameral mind lived in the Garden of Eden. Becoming conscious is the cause of many of our problems. Evolution is dedicated to filling ecological niches. Becoming conscious uniquely enabled us to carve ever larger niches.
@checkmate5338
@checkmate5338 4 жыл бұрын
The show is fantasy. It can't happen in the real world.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
It certainly can and the show is about just one possible scenario. Frankly, I don't see a problem. Ya can't stop evolution.
@lando_vandilla
@lando_vandilla 4 жыл бұрын
ahahahha fuckin class
@mariahhossain194
@mariahhossain194 4 жыл бұрын
What about rdj and the other people?
@TheHappytan
@TheHappytan 5 жыл бұрын
Ughhhh! He looks so tired and sad in the thumbnail! 😣 Poor him
@freakyold
@freakyold 5 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to see renegade robots killing people.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
That's not what happened. What happened was - androids became conscious and thus became people, immortal, smarter, faster, stronger, tougher, vengeance seeking people.
@ItsJennNotJenny
@ItsJennNotJenny 5 жыл бұрын
Yeesh. Poor guy.
@lovetrustandpixiedust
@lovetrustandpixiedust 5 жыл бұрын
After watching this video, I can understand why he'd prefer to go and do some indie movies instead (which I fully approve). Press junkets for blockbuster movies seem exhausting.
@skysims3749
@skysims3749 5 жыл бұрын
Joyce Chua Yeah. He has anxiety I have heard so that explains why he doesn’t want to be in the scene that much. :(
@fairwind8676
@fairwind8676 5 жыл бұрын
That's a good pitch.
@JasonGreen3
@JasonGreen3 5 жыл бұрын
@3:15 BUBO!!
@CrobatDash
@CrobatDash 6 жыл бұрын
This was a really good video!!!
@oliviab7438
@oliviab7438 6 жыл бұрын
"I guess I was murdery" I mean I relate XD
@scottbaylo
@scottbaylo 6 жыл бұрын
This is really about us, we really are just programmed robots and some are starting to become aware that there is something very wrong with this place. Since I have nothing else to relate it to, the closest thing I’ve seen is dark city, matrix, and this. I don’t know if it’s all just part of a game/simulation, or something else, but the mandela effect is showing that this world is fake or we’re under some kind of crazy mind control
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
It's mind control via advertising. They don't spend 500 billion every year because it doesn't work.
@jatinbhandari1913
@jatinbhandari1913 6 жыл бұрын
I had never commented on a video, until now, for this is the worst edited explaination video ever made.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
It could definitely be better but as one whose taken a stab at it, it's not as easy to do as it looks.
@MihailMahov
@MihailMahov 6 жыл бұрын
Stupid, very stupid ! And deeply materialistic. Psychology IS NOT a science, it is a collection of stupid theories , created by the "modern" man. The man , that "thinks" , instead of "feels". Тhe man who thinks that only through his mind he can get to know the absolute depth of being.
@mike365fly
@mike365fly 6 жыл бұрын
Psychology is science. Science is materialistic
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
Being educated in the science of psychology is no barrier to feeling. Idiot.
@prabhdeepsingh5642
@prabhdeepsingh5642 6 жыл бұрын
Dude just explain the damn theory properly. There is no need of puns and jokes after every line you speak.
@Joanne_Barnes
@Joanne_Barnes 6 жыл бұрын
OMG........ If that was me, i'd be like "Kill me now"....... he's contracted to do SIX in total!.... what professionals they ALL are 🤤
@ntempini
@ntempini 6 жыл бұрын
Don't be a clown. It's not mainstream psychology but a 50 year old book of 4000 citations, from a Princeton psychologist who was then invited to give a keynote at the American Psychological Association conference, who was friends with W.O. Quine, deserves a bit more respect than being dubbed as 'obscure'. The history of science is full of works that do not fit with the status quo but that does not mean that a random Hippopotaman can ridicule them. Just the back cover of the book, easily visible on amazon or google books, gives a sense of the momentum that this book generated.
@REDPUMPERNICKEL
@REDPUMPERNICKEL 2 жыл бұрын
The theory is like democracy. It takes time to gain momentum.
@ObservantDog
@ObservantDog 6 жыл бұрын
The hosts are not alive... and neither are we. We are all biological machines following complex coding. The hosts ~think~ they are alive. We ~think~ we are alive. But not a single one of us can provide solid proof that what we think is a reality... actually is. :-D Welcome to "the game."
@Hgulix62
@Hgulix62 6 жыл бұрын
Absence of proof is not a proof of absence :)
@ItsMikeYoo
@ItsMikeYoo 4 жыл бұрын
All I know is my life is nerfed rn, need learn to hack
@ObservantDog
@ObservantDog 4 жыл бұрын
@@Hgulix62 Its a good quote. I like that quote. And it's a very true quote... But then again, the problem with that quote is this. I could propose anything... And say that since its unfalsifiable, that it could be true. Spaghetti monsters for example. There being no proof of it, doesn't mean it's for sure not there. It's a neat thought experiment, but a useless and boundless one. There is actually plenty of proof that we are ~not~ alive, like I said. Humans behave in a totally predictable way from birth to death, many clever people make a ton of money off of this simple fact. They are biologically predictable, knowable, you can know how they are born and why they are born, they are psychologically and mentally categorizable, what kind of person they are, interests and fears, you know how and why they think and do the things they do. Just like programmable machines. Now, the magical "Living part" inside of them, there is no proof for that. It's nothing but a feeling. "I ~feel~ like I am alive, so I guess I must be. I think, therefore I am... remember that quote? Well, its bunk. Lol. "I think I am alive, therefore I am alive." Thinking you are a log in a swamp, doesn't ~make~ you a log in a swamp... We can THINK all we want, but at the end of the day, what we are is a self replicating machine made of meat, who thinks its so much more... but it thinks that, with absolutely no real proof or reason. Humans WANT to be more than are. That's the mystery, I guess. But a machine programed to grow... would be just that.
@ObservantDog
@ObservantDog 4 жыл бұрын
Of course... No one wants to hear that they aren't really alive. Or that Free Will and Time are just illusions. Of that the Universe itself might just be a construct or hologram, lol
@ItsMikeYoo
@ItsMikeYoo 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Observant another thing that boggles me, are higher dimensions, there could be being living next to us but we are just too primal to understand.