We didn’t get to have the cavil Superman story play out, we got 1 movie. The direction of his story would have been a man who is human struggle with the real world, he could use his powers to take anyone down anyone but if he did the world would fear him just as his father told him ( which was the point of BvS). He had to save the world with his powers but with no real mission, after he dies saving the world Batman realizes that he was just a man and he inspired hope. Superman death shows that the world needed him and hope. The rest of the story would have been him learning his purpose and Batman’s redemption

would be nice but shit writers

Don't worry bro Omni Man's gonna have redemption.

I'm so glad more people are behind this idea of getting Superman (and DC in general) back to a more positive place. My philosophy on the issue is simple: _You cannot subvert Superman because he already exists as a subversion of expectations._ A man is given tremendous power and we expect his first instinct to be to abuse it. Instead, Siegel and Shuster flipped that and made him an upstanding person who strives to do the right thing no matter what. We've had many millennia-worth of stories told about those who misuse their strength for their own glory and ego, so why invert the standout to be just like everyone else? It's not as creative as people think it actually is.

Naw dude. Good Superman ain’t going no where. But we experimenting with different things. We had over 50 years of good Superman. It’s fine to do other things.

15:33 i almost though she was going to say "Kal El no",but then i remenbered this is the good justice league one.

We got pretty good shows that havent finished airing yet like the boys and invincible. So we already got some really good super mans. Time to go back to one that isn't a stupid arsehole lol

Omni man feels much more like a sympathetic version of Zod than an evil Superman to me, Mark feels a lot more like Spider-Man with Superman’s powers.

Trast movie

Interesting: I’d like to hear what you think after you watch season 4 of The Boys. And “MOST” writers are Slaves to the world that surrounds them. Our paintings, writings, tv and movies are kind of built around the atmosphere

The Archetyp of Superman as an American Hero Concept has lately been heavily abused to demoralize the public and public perception of they’re own culture by miserable but otherwise well off people who believe they know better.

Christopher Reeves was aces as both Clark Kent and Superman. Something not to easy. Part of the magic was Richard Donner completely knowing the character of both it's not something easy to translate onto the screen. What an amazing film so many amazing talents between Mario Puzo of Godfather fame and John Williams to bring everything together.

Now we need more evil Goku

I completely agree with the sentiment but an overused trope doesn't diminish the quality that certain evil supermen characters have as characters. Yes it can get boring to watch homelander do crazy things over and over but to say his character doesn't go anywhere is just plain wrong and is evident to anybody who watched the show

The heck you talking about? Superman and Lois had a fantastic run made people asking for more. My Adventures with Superman already has garnered plenty of praises through dc fans and beyond. Both of these shows have kept Superman name afloat and clean after DCEU debacle.

i agree that the trope should die but saying homelander doesn’t grow as a character is a horrible take. watch the show💀

Homelander does have a character arc. Season by season, he increasingly begins to realize that what he wants isn't fame and adoration while occasionally disregarding human life, but the total subjugation of the human race. A belief fostered by his treatment by Vought, whispers by his fascist love interests and his own pathetic loneliness.

1:35 The Justice League reacting to Homelander is funnier than I expected.

It was interesting for a while, but yeah, evil Superman has now been done to death and beyond.

4:25 Hearing Batman say "Well, it had to be done" after Superman kills Lex is wild. I think most modern depictions of Bruce as well as the fandom would reject it even as a possibility. That alternate universe was meant to show Clark being more willing to cross lines but it's way more telling about that alternate Bruce.

We need a Superman that's not perfect, somewhat flawed but not overly edgy or overly serious. I don't how hard is that to accomplish

6:13 He landed in the Ukrainian SSR. Which just like Kansas, was the Breadbasket of the Soviet Union.

The opposites of the american way are truth, justice, and freedom.

Clark is supposed to be just a normal midwestern guy. The coastal elitists hate midwesterners and refuse to write them in a positive light.

I think an excellent Evil Superman who people don’t discuss enough is Bardock. He, like Omniman, is a conquerer and a monster, but he’s not the strongest and he’s not elite. He’s a grunt soldier working under a hegemonic king and a tyrannical emperor. He works an unfulfilling dayjob of slaughter and violence and he expects nothing more or better out of life. It’s when he comes to believe in something, in fighting for a cause other than his employers’ betterment, that he loses everything - the respect of his peers, what’s left of his social standing, his infant son. But he still tries and fails, dying in an attempt to so something meaningful.

I’ve never liked Henry Cavill’s Superman. Johnathan Kent’s pessimism informed Clark ruining the trucker’s livelihood and probable bankruptcy is in direct conflict ( intentionally so ) to how Christopher Reeves’ Superman dealt with a far worse humiliation the Cavill’s. Henry got a beer dumped on his head. Chris got his ass beaten in his first fight where he experienced pain as a human. In the end of Superman 2 (1980? 81?) , Superman lets the guy punch him then sends him down the counter destroys the jukebox and hands the owner what looks like enough cash to pay for the damages From The First Fight… “With Great Power….” Etc The problem with Comics and the films they inspire is the creatives behind them are uneducated and unwilling to learn from the tastes and desires of the audience they, whether they like it or not, serve. It’s selfish, pessimistic garbage that is presented in a manner that is ,” Take it Or Leave it, this is My viision !!!” Hearing this, we’ve decided to leave it..

Plutonian was written by Superman writers answering What if Superman had no Clark Kent? Omni Man - What If Superman had evil conquerer father ? Homelander- What if Supe was created and raised in company lab by Scientists, unable to become the hero he ever wanted to be? Superman has WAY different backstory than any of these OSP-He tries to save everyone even if he can't

The interesting thing about Homelander and The Boys is that they were meant to be satire, but the producers of the show decided to ignore the series' original premise. The new Superman seems to be leaning more back into the optimistic hero.

Somebody put that song Star Man over the trailer for Superman. Watching that just pushed me over the moon☺️.

A better clip to show at this point of the video is Superman fixing to whip Lex after telling him he’s done with Lex tormenting the people in Clark’s life. 11:50

People want a serious Superman not a rehash of the old we want some who we can take seriously. Zack Snyder got that.

You don't know what and understand Superman do you.

'Evil Superman' is older than regular Superman: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reign_of_the_Superman That's a story by the original creators of Superman, about what happens when a person gets powers. That person, y'know, isn't a very nice guy. The inspiration for it is pretty obvious. ... But I am not using that as a reason to say it should keep happening. Superman, the Superman we know, was a follow-up. People act like the creators of the character didn't realize that, yes, limitless power could make people into monsters. But they did. 'What if he was EVIL!?!' isn't a clever subversion. The original creators already knew that, yes, that's the likely result. Power corrupts. Being more powerful than other people can make someone think he's BETTER than other people, and can do whatever he likes. They already WROTE that story, themselves. They wrote it first, before they wrote the famous one. They wrote an evil Superman, and then they went on to say, 'But what if there was a guy who was better than that?' That's the key to Superman. The red and blue Superman we know. He wasn't the first 'imagine if a human was SUPERhuman!' character. Even 'The Superman' from that story wasn't the first. The powers aren't the core of the character. Being a good person despite those powers is the big idea. All of these versions where a character is like Superman but a total monster aren't taking the idea further, or doing a more realistic take. C'mon, so long as he's bulletproof and more powerful than a locomotive, you're telling a modern fairy tale, not a true to life story. You didn't make it realistic, you just made it pessimistic and that's not the same. Really, you are a step behind the original creators. Yes. You're not outsmarting these 1930s people from the dawn of comics - you're retreading ground they covered. The comicbook Superman is already a subversion of the original villainous, power-corrupts, destructive style of superman. They knew the point you're trying to make. Then they went a step further and made something optimistic and uplifting, despite it.

I curse the day Injustice was made and The Boys TV Show became a thing, good lord the damage to not just Superman, but comic book and hero media in general BLOWS to this day

Just glad we have batman

Growing up with Chris Reeve Superman, The Adventures of Superman and Lois, the DC Animated Universe and Smallville was a great time.

Nah you speaking facts everything is cynical and pessimistic not just “Superman” everything is without hope

The population is over all the subversion.

I've grown weary of epic battles. The one shot, that one act, of the new Superman saving that one kid looks amazing in a deluge of city/planet destroying brawl between godly characters. And lately I have seen a lot of KZbin shorts talking about some of the more positive stories about Superman being the most human of characters. When I was a teen Western comics were rare and a bit expensive where I lived. My constant fictional inspirations in those days were manga and anime like Dragon Ball, Dragon Quest and Full Metal Alchemist. While we also have Batman and Superman Animated series on TV but a physical thing like a manga collection in your hand feels much more close to heart. Several years ago I stumbled upon the popular Dragon Ball Abridged series on KZbin. While I like the channel for it's funny comedic touches deep down I was a bit uncomfortable with the Western deconstruction of the my favourite story. It's not the DBA series itself that bothered me but rather how the fans, through meme culture, would turn the jokes into supposedly new facts or lore. As reader of the original source material I never get the sense that Goku was a horrible father but then fans of DBA and other channels start to parrot those jokes as some sort of newly-discovered hidden lore.

loved the video and watched it the whole way through but naa omniman is goated and in still gonna give homeboy a chance in the next season

I think Homelander doesn't quite deserve the mantle of Evil Superman. He has evolved into something I deem much worse than a mere knockoff into the american public conciousness - He has become the NEW Superman.

There are like two evil parody versions of superman. How did the trope got tired so fast?

Omni man is not an evil superman, especially after his redemption

Good video, you got a new sub.

What is the American way? Let’s take a look at American history? Ok,, maybe not 😱

The problem with superman nowadays is that they know how to write him in only 2 ways, it's either too naive and stupid or straight evil and heartless. Primarily example of this is in Suicide Squad game, he is the reason to be reckless, and then evil.

This was a well thought out video, great work and thanks!

Deadpool: Yes! Yes! Let this man cook!

Wow only 133 subs and your content is amazing thank you

Red Son Superman isn't even an evil superman, he still stands for what's right, for the betterment of people.